---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/15/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:08 AM - Re: Narco ELT-10 battery corrosion (Ryan Mueller) 2. 07:35 AM - YouTube video of first engine start (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 07:52 AM - Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? (Tom Anderson) 4. 09:29 AM - Re: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? (Gene & Tammy) 5. 10:49 AM - Re: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? (Tom Anderson) 6. 11:37 AM - Re: Re: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? (Steve Eldredge) 7. 01:05 PM - Re: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? (H RULE) 8. 01:57 PM - Re: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 9. 02:24 PM - Re: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? (Robert Gow) 10. 03:20 PM - Re: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 11. 07:51 PM - Re: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? (Glenn Thomas) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:57 AM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Narco ELT-10 battery corrosion One of the things with that, Ernie, is that replacement of the entire ELT (especially assuming an upgrade to a more current model) will be far more expensive than just replacing the battery (if that is the issue, or if Oscar feels he needs to do that). In addition, as of right now there is no requirement stating that you have to replace an ELT that broadcasts on 121.5/243 mhz with one that can also broadcast on the satellite-monitored digital 406 mhz frequency. This change, as of now, only reflects the fact that satellites will only monitor 406. Standard air and ground resources will still be monitoring the older freqs. Personally, I have never heard of anyone flying out of the general aviation airports I frequent having their ELT detected by satellite. Either the Unicom/Tower/CAP checks up on the transmissions from those frequencies and thats how you find out they were triggered (9 times out of 10 a hard landing). Either way, it's up to Oscar. His SASO missions (stability and support ops) in his area have gone pretty well. He's been providing ground support in the area for a while. All in all he has put forth a solid TACO presence in his AOR. Unless some new foe rears his ugly head, I think Oscar ought to be good to go. ;) Semper Gumby. Only one more day until I completely own my own butt, for good! Ryan On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Ernie Moreno wrote: > ewmoreno@minetfiber.com> > > Oscar, I would get rid of the ELT. You will have to clean up the corrossion > issue anyway and remount the new frequency model in the place of the old > one. I recently became a member on this group (matronics) and I am going to > build another Piet but this time Model A powered. I still have N2431and did > a overhaul on the Franklin. I am now in the unemployed group (i.e. retired) > and need to have something to keep me busy. > > Ernie Moreno > Independence, Or. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:43 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: YouTube video of first engine start Dan, great video. I notice you had all the proper procedures in place and had a fire extinguisher placed at the ready. When I did the startup on my A65 after the rebuild (new carb, airbox, exhausts, etc.) I did the same thing and was glad because I had fueled it with autogas and the Stromberg didn't like that, leaking fuel and flooding the airbox. Had a fire broken out I would have needed the extinguisher in a hurry and it would have needed to be ready at hand. With avgas, no flooding and no worries and I can start the engine almost on the first flip every time, even without impulse couplers on either mag. 41CC is running strong, flying well (except for the corrosion around the ELT!) and only needs a few things looked at when I get some hangar time. At the moment, we are flying patrol to maintain peace during these times of economic distress and political upheaval. I've seen no riots or heard of no financiers jumping off of building ledges, so I assume that the mission is being effective. I shall continue to fly patrol without letting up! Ernie, good to hear that you're going to build another Piet, but how in the world are you going to fit another project into your hangar/garage??? Last time I was there you had the Piet, Tri-Pacer, Gypsy, and something else in there already! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? From: "Tom Anderson" ...just wondering... -------- Location: Eastern N.C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 8886#208886 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:59 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? Good question Tom. I don't leave mine out doors as I have always had a hanger and hangers here in Tennessee are cheap. In Alaska, (where I'm from) most planes spend their lives out doors and the only time their under cover is while their being worked on. Most of the early bush planes were open cockpit, wood framed and covered in cotton. From what I've been lead to understand, they did quite well. After all, the wood is varnished and the fabric is painted. Not unlike a wooden boat. Wood boats are painted or varnished and the decks are covered with fabric that is painted. As I remember, Pilots in Alaska figure their plane would need recovering about every dozen years or so, due to UV effects on the fabric. Do not consider the above information to be anything more than hearsay, as, as I said, I don't have any personal experience with leaving my Piet out. I'm only passing on what I have read and heard. It will be interesting to hear from someone that has left their Piet out. Gene in Tennessee Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? From: "Tom Anderson" Thanks, Gene. I've got a couple of wooden boats in my backyard right now that I built and no matter how particular I was during the construction process, they both have ended up with some wood rot/fungus here and there. It's usually from the fiberglass cloth/epoxy pulling up from the wood. I'm thinking the fabric covering on an aircraft my provide a bit more protection... -------- Location: Eastern N.C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 8904#208904 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:37:51 AM PST US From: Steve Eldredge Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? I left mine out in the sun, snow and ice for over a year. I was happy to get it in a hangar as soon as I could afford one. I always worried about hail, high winds, curious fingers, deep snow, etc. Things turned out all right however, with no major damage or loss. The wood prop seemed to suffer the most weathering. Steve e. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Anderson Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:49 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? Thanks, Gene. I've got a couple of wooden boats in my backyard right now that I built and no matter how particular I was during the construction process, they both have ended up with some wood rot/fungus here and there. It's usually from the fiberglass cloth/epoxy pulling up from the wood. I'm thinking the fabric covering on an aircraft my provide a bit more protection... -------- Location: Eastern N.C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 8904#208904 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:30 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? I pay $250.00/mo. Cnd and that is why both my planes are up for sale now.Wh en I get them =0Asold I'll be looking for something I can leave out for a s eason then trailer it or just leave it out all year round.=0A=0A=0A=0Ado no t archive=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Gene & Tammy =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, Oc tober 15, 2008 12:29:23 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone leave thei "Gene & Tammy" =0A=0AGood question Tom.- I don't l eave mine out doors as I have always had a =0Ahanger and hangers here in Te nnessee are cheap.- In Alaska, (where I'm from) =0Amost planes spend thei r lives out doors and the only time their under cover =0Ais while their bei ng worked on.- Most of the early bush planes were open =0Acockpit, wood f ramed and covered in cotton.- From what I've been lead to =0Aunderstand, they did quite well.- After all, the wood is varnished and the =0Afabric is painted.- Not unlike a wooden boat.- Wood boats are painted or =0Ava rnished and the decks are covered with fabric that is painted.=0AAs I remem ber, Pilots in Alaska figure their plane would need recovering =0Aabout eve ry dozen years or so, due to UV effects on the fabric.=0ADo not consider th e above information to be anything more than hearsay, as, =0Aas I said, I d on't have any personal experience with leaving my Piet out. =0AI'm only pas sing on what I have read and heard.- It will be interesting to =0Ahear fr om someone that has left their Piet out.=0AGene in Tennessee=0A=0ADo Not Ar -=- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Drall ======== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:57:58 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? Try this plane! http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/ch650/index.html It is a light sport special kit build for around 18K us funds(none of that Canada paper in good old USA)! Harvey, I am still building my pietenpol but his is going to be the flying get me where I am going plane with a corvair hanging off the front! - Ken H Fargo, ND - --- On Wed, 10/15/08, H RULE wrote: From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-dow n? I pay $250.00/mo. Cnd and that is why both my planes are up for sale now.Wh en I get them sold I'll be looking for something I can leave out for a season then traile r it or just leave it out all year round. - - - do not archive ----- Original Message ---- From: Gene & Tammy Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 12:29:23 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-dow n? > Good question Tom.- I don't leave mine out doors as I have always had a hanger and hangers here in Tennessee are cheap.- In Alaska, (where I'm fr om) most planes spend their lives out doors and the only time their under cover is while their being worked on.- Most of the early bush planes were open cockpit, wood framed and covered in cotton.- From what I've been lead to understand, they did quite well.- After all, 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:06 PM PST US From: "Robert Gow" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? It's a neat plane. The original factory is here in Midland Ontario ad there are a couple on the ramp.. They have a subsidiary in New Mexico to handle the US market. The neatest part of the design is the lack of aileron hinges. they just use the upper skin as a hinge. The alloy selected for the upper skin can tolerate the deflections without fatiguing. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP Sent: October 15, 2008 4:58 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? Try this plane! http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/ch650/index.html It is a light sport special kit build for around 18K us funds(none of that Canada paper in good old USA)! Harvey, I am still building my pietenpol but his is going to be the flying get me where I am going plane with a corvair hanging off the front! Ken H Fargo, ND --- On Wed, 10/15/08, H RULE wrote: From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 3:04 PM I pay $250.00/mo. Cnd and that is why both my planes are up for sale now.When I get them sold I'll be looking for something I can leave out for a season then trailer it or just leave it out all year round. do not archive ----- Original Message ---- From: Gene & Tammy To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 12:29:23 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? Good question Tom. I don't leave mine out doors as I have always had a hanger and hangers here in Tennessee are cheap. In Alaska, (where I'm from) most planes spend their lives out doors and the only time their under cover is while their being worked on. Most of the early bush planes were open cockpit, wood framed and covered in cotton. From what I've been lead to understand, they did quite well. After all, D======================== ========= claiming to be http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List D======================== ========= claiming to be http://forums.matronics.com D======================== ========= claiming to be http://www.matronics.com/contribution D======================== ========= ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:16 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? What is your price in Canada? Cheaper? - Ken - --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Robert Gow wrote: From: Robert Gow Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-dow n? It's a neat plane.- The original factory is here in Midland Ontario ad th ere are a couple on the ramp..- They have a subsidiary in New Mexico to h andle the US market.- The neatest part of the design is the lack of ailer on hinges.- they just use the upper skin as a hinge.- The alloy selecte d for the upper skin can tolerate the deflections without fatiguing. - Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP Sent: October 15, 2008 4:58 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-dow n? Try this plane! http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/ch650/index.html It is a light sport special kit build for around 18K us funds(none of that Canada paper in good old USA)! Harvey, I am still building my pietenpol but his is going to be the flying get me where I am going plane with a corvair hanging off the front! - Ken H Fargo, ND - --- On Wed, 10/15/08, H RULE wrote: From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-dow n? #yiv828009047 #yiv1526632432 DIV { MARGIN:0px;} I pay $250.00/mo. Cnd and that is why both my planes are up for sale now.Wh en I get them sold I'll be looking for something I can leave out for a season then traile r it or just leave it out all year round. - - - do not archive ----- Original Message ---- From: Gene & Tammy Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 12:29:23 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-dow n? > Good question Tom.- I don't leave mine out doors as I have always had a hanger and hangers here in Tennessee are cheap.- In Alaska, (where I'm fr om) most planes spend their lives out doors and the only time their under cover is while their being worked on.- Most of the early bush planes were open cockpit, wood framed and covered in cotton.- From what I've been lead to understand, they did quite well.- After all, 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"'>netGUARD has detected a possible fraud attempt from "3d"http:" claiming to be http://ww w.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D color=red>netGUARD has detected a possible fraud attempt from "3d"http:" claiming to be http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>netGUARD has detected a possible fraud attempt from "3d"http:" claiming to be http://www.matronics. com/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:34 PM PST US From: "Glenn Thomas" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone leave their Piet uncovered on a tie-down? This is a low cost alternative to leaving your plane outside..... http://www.shelterlogic.com/engineered-structures/ I got one for my brother about 6 years ago to keep hist fully restored 40's John Deere tractor protected. It still looks like new (shelter that is, but tractor looks like new too which means the shelter must be working). I think I paid about $1300 for it. Of course an aviation size would be a little more. I know of at least one person that keeps their Piet in one of these. Food for thought. On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Tom Anderson wrote: > tomanderson_nc@yahoo.com> > > ...just wondering... > > -------- > Location: Eastern N.C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 8886#208886 > > -- Glenn Thomas Storrs, CT http://www.flyingwood.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.