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1. 04:49 AM - Re: Corvair Engine Question (Tim Verthein)
2. 05:59 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Engine Question (glennthomas@flyingwood.com)
3. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Engine Question (Rick Holland)
4. 08:53 AM - Corvair engine question (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Engine Question (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
6. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: Corvair Engine Question (Ryan Mueller)
7. 02:30 PM - Re: Corvair engine question (G. Robert Stetson)
8. 03:03 PM - Re: Corvair engine question (Rob Stapleton, Jr.)
9. 03:06 PM - Re: Corvair engine question (Rick Holland)
10. 06:48 PM - just plane flyin' (Oscar Zuniga)
11. 07:53 PM - Re: just plane flyin' (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
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| Subject: | re: Corvair Engine Question |
Do you have the WW Corvair Conversion Manual? Seems to me there is a bit about
cleaning in there, with some specific dos and don'ts. I don't remember details
off hand, but if you don't have it I could dig it out and check.
Tim in Bovey
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| Subject: | Re: re: Corvair Engine Question |
I think it was an even mix of kerosene and MEK. Watch out. MEK is hazardous.
Any blasting should be done with walnut shells. No sand. That's how I remember
it.
------Original Message------
From: Tim Verthein
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
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Sent: Oct 19, 2008 7:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: re: Corvair Engine Question
Do you have the WW Corvair Conversion Manual? Seems to me there is a bit about
cleaning in there, with some specific dos and don'ts. I don't remember details
off hand, but if you don't have it I could dig it out and check.
Tim in Bovey
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| Subject: | Re: re: Corvair Engine Question |
Took my aluminum parts to a transmission shop for cleaning. Most all
automatics are aluminum and they have tanks and a dishwasher kind of thing
for cleaning.
Rick
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:57 AM, <glennthomas@flyingwood.com> wrote:
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> I think it was an even mix of kerosene and MEK. Watch out. MEK is
> hazardous. Any blasting should be done with walnut shells. No sand.
> That's how I remember it.
> ------Original Message------
> From: Tim Verthein
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Oct 19, 2008 7:48 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: re: Corvair Engine Question
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> minoxphotographer@yahoo.com>
>
> Do you have the WW Corvair Conversion Manual? Seems to me there is a bit
> about cleaning in there, with some specific dos and don'ts. I don't remember
> details off hand, but if you don't have it I could dig it out and check.
>
> Tim in Bovey
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| Subject: | Corvair engine question |
Ken=3B here are some posts from the Corvaircraft archives about cleaning th
e engine: Castrol makes a product called SUPER CLEAN. It is sold almost eve
rywhere inthe automotive departments. Wal Mart carries it in one gallon con
tainers.Look for the purple bottle. It is concentrated and goes a long way.
It worksand works well=2C That is all I used on my engine and it removed e
verythingwithout harm to the aluminum. It is also excellent for all types o
f cleaningneeds around your home. The best part is that it is only about $6
pergallon.> For what it's worth=2C I got good results scrubbing the case w
ith a 1:1 > mix of kerosene and MEK in a plastic tote big enough to hold on
e case > half. I used a stiff=2C nonmetallic brush & all the oily gunk & >
"varnishy'" stuff just kind of melted off - left a very nice=2C shiny > cas
e.> > Kip Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio=2C TXmailto: taildrags@hotmail.comwebsit
e at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: re: Corvair Engine Question |
Tim,
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I do have the his conversion manual.....just remember someone on the list t
elling about their experiences trying different methods of cleaning and sol
utions used.
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Ken
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--- On Sun, 10/19/08, Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: re: Corvair Engine Question
<minoxphotographer@yahoo.com>
Do you have the WW Corvair Conversion Manual? Seems to me there is a bit a
bout
cleaning in there, with some specific dos and don'ts. I don't remember
details off hand, but if you don't have it I could dig it out and check.
Tim in Bovey
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| Subject: | Re: re: Corvair Engine Question |
Ken,
Some have had good results from taking the case halves to a transmission
shop (or a mechanic who does trans work) that has a transmission "washing
machine". We found a place near my hometown that did it for free. It was a
tall machine with a door that opened from the front. They set the halves in
a "rotisserie", which turns while the machine sprays a mixture of hot water
and cleaning chemical from nozzles around the outside, top, and bottom. The
case halves that we took in were about 98% clean already, but I wanted to
see if it would help remove some of the stubborn grime in the cracks and
crevices. Unfortunately it didn't really get them any cleaner. It is
supposed to work well for an intial cleaning though.
We cleaned ours primarily by hand. I used the Super Clean stuff at first,
although I don't believe it is a Castrol product any longer (at least not
the "Super Clean" I found at Ace Hardware). It works, but you still have to
do plenty of brushing and scrubbing. You will want to wear rubber/latex
gloves as well. I believe it states on the bottle that it may react with
aluminum if you let it sit on the metal for an extended period of time.
After that I tried parts cleaner from the auto parts store (Advance Auto, I
think). Comes in 5 gallon metal cans. I think it may be a mineral spirits
based solvent. It smells pretty foul, and is definitely not good for your
skin. It works ok, but not any better than the Super Clean did. It's been
relegated to small parts cleaning duty (I have my rocker arms soaking in it,
for example).
For the last case I cleaned, I used laundry detergent (Joser, from the list,
stated that he had good results with it). I think it worked just as well as
the Super Clean, and it is obviously more gentle on your skin.
When cleaning with detergent, try soaking the case in HOT water with plenty
of laundry detergent. I used a Rubbermaid tub that was large enough to
submerge one case half. I think I let it sit in there for at least 30
minutes, probably more. Then I attacked it with brushes. It's not difficult,
it just takes time. A few cans of carb cleaner and small brushes can help
finish off the hard to reach/stubborn areas. For a low toxicity case
cleaning solution in the home/garage environment, it gets my vote for now.
Remember your safety goggles!
Hope that helps,
Ryan
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 1:10 PM, KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP <
kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Tim,
>
> I do have the his conversion manual.....just remember someone on the list
> telling about their experiences trying different methods of cleaning and
> solutions used.
>
> Ken
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine question |
I have never rebuild a Corvair engine but I have done a number of VW
air-cooleds. What worked best for me was to clean the heavy stuff off
with Gunk, per the directions on the can. Then I sent the wife shopping
and, while she was gone, loaded the parts into the dishwasher. My idea
was that, if the dishwasher could clean a greasy cooking pan, it could
clean a case half. Worked well and the parts came out ready to paint,
or whatever.
GRS
"KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" wrote:
>
> Members: I am ready to clean my Corvair engine and seek any ideas of
chemical solutions or procedures used in cleaning parts of my engine.
Any chemicals I should avoid, etc.... Ken H
>
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| Subject: | Corvair engine question |
Ja, ja, ja, hah. I guess good ole cleaning solvent is out of the
question
now days, no one has mentioned it.
RS
Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist
www.alaskasportpilotcenter.net <http://www.alaskasportpilotcenter.net/>
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G.
Robert
Stetson
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine question
I have never rebuild a Corvair engine but I have done a number of VW
air-cooleds. What worked best for me was to clean the heavy stuff off
with
Gunk, per the directions on the can. Then I sent the wife shopping and,
while she was gone, loaded the parts into the dishwasher. My idea was
that,
if the dishwasher could clean a greasy cooking pan, it could clean a
case
half. Worked well and the parts came out ready to paint, or whatever.
GRS
"KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" wrote:
Members: I am ready to clean my Corvair engine and seek any ideas of
chemical solutions or procedures used in cleaning parts of my engine.
Any
chemicals I should avoid, etc.... Ken H
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine question |
You are a much braver man than I.
Then I sent the wife shopping and, while she was gone, loaded the parts
> into the dishwasher. My idea was that, if the dishwasher could clean a
> greasy cooking pan, it could clean a case half. Worked well and the parts
> came out ready to paint, or whatever.
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | just plane flyin' |
No engine cleaning to talk about, no nothing but flyin'. I think that's about
the only thing that will keep you building, is the hope that one day you will
prop your engine, hop in, and go fly like I did yesterday and today. And the
best flights aren't necessarily the long and complex ones, either. Yesterday
I logged all of 0.7 and today was even less, 0.3 hr.
Yesterday I flew up to Boerne Stage Airfield to go up with my brother in his trike.
The Piet got all the looks, though. Weather was severe clear and very nice,
and the flight was classic low and slow. Coming back I climbed to 3000 msl
and did power-on stalls during the climb (uneventful), then when I got to cruise
altitude I did some power-off stalls (actually just nose bobs and mushes
down to about 37-38 MPH indicated). Today all I did was go up and shoot three
landings "just because". First one was full stall, the next two were wheelies
since we had a slight x-wind, this time from the west (a bit unusual for us).
Perfect weather for Pietenpoling and that 0.3 hours in the airplane will go
a long, long way towards my maintaining mental well-being.
Now for some mushy stuff. As I drive to or from my hangar, I always look down
each row of hangars to see who's doing what. I passed by Steve Dortch's hangar
(he's on this list) and what do I see but kids out playing on the apron and
Steve hugging his wife. Awwww- ;o) (At least I assume that was his wife??!!)
Good on ya, mate!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: just plane flyin' |
Of course It was my wife. I keep telling my wife that our airplane is cheaper than
a Mistress. She usually says "not by much. "
BTW we were not just hugging, We were trying to figure out the dance steps to what
we knew as an old Ranch Fiddle Tune "Put your Little Foot." (It is also called
Varsuvania or the Irish call it "shoe the Donkey) We used to dance it quite
a bit but have not for several years.
I am nearing the end of an Annual on a Complex aircraft. This is one of the times
I long for a Piet. On a Vtail Beech you have to put it up on jacks and swing
the gear. There is also a Big AD we are complying with. My IA is letting me
turn most of the wrenches and charging me less. But it still ain't cheap.
When we were not dancing, I was installing a new ELT. I Bought the AK 450 from
Skygeek for about $175. It is 121.5 and 243 freqs (not the new 406.) It is pretty
straight forward to install. On my 1948 plane I am mounting it to the tray
that held the three flares for night landings (yes remotely fired parachute
flares) I am going to use the remote switch wire that was supplied but It sure
is temping to get some wire from Radio Shack. They sent about 15 foot of wire
(like telephone wire but 4 pins) and I need about 6. I guess I will just fold
it and zip tie it up front. The big advantage it has over the cheaper AK (about
$140) is that it allows me to use a mike and portable antenna to transmit
(but not recieve) to rescuers. The directions mention putting in a plate to ground
the thing on wood or cloth planes. Also it uses Standard D cell batteries.
Sorry about all the non piet jabber. I simply lurk the list and may start/buy a
peit if I have my way. (then my flying will be more expensive than a mistress.)
Blue Skies
Steve D
1948 Bonanza
San Antonio, GRT
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: just plane flyin'
>
>
> No engine cleaning to talk about, no nothing but flyin'. I think that's about
the only thing that will keep you building, is the hope that
> one day you will prop your engine, hop in, and go fly like I did
> yesterday and today. And the best flights aren't necessarily the
> long and complex ones, either. Yesterday I logged all of 0.7 and
> today was even less, 0.3 hr.
>
> Yesterday I flew up to Boerne Stage Airfield to go up with my
> brother in his trike. The Piet got all the looks, though.
> Weather was severe clear and very nice, and the flight was classic
> low and slow. Coming back I climbed to 3000 msl and did power-on
> stalls during the climb (uneventful), then when I got to cruise
> altitude I did some power-off stalls (actually just nose bobs and
> mushes down to about 37-38 MPH indicated). Today all I did was go
> up and shoot three landings "just because". First one was full
> stall, the next two were wheelies since we had a slight x-wind,
> this time from the west (a bit unusual for us). Perfect weather
> for Pietenpoling and that 0.3 hours in the airplane will go a
> long, long way towards my maintaining mental well-being.
>
> Now for some mushy stuff. As I drive to or from my hangar, I
> always look down each row of hangars to see who's doing what. I
> passed by Steve Dortch's hangar (he's on this list) and what do I
> see but kids out playing on the apron and Steve hugging his wife.
> Awwww- ;o) (At least I assume that was his wife??!!) Good on ya,
> mate!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
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