---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/20/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:16 AM - Weekend (Michael Groah) 2. 09:46 AM - Re: Weekend (amsafetyc@aol.com) 3. 11:36 AM - Pietenpol Bomber (shad bell) 4. 12:43 PM - Re: Pietenpol Bomber (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 5. 12:47 PM - Re: Weekend (Michael Groah) 6. 02:28 PM - aileron pulley supports (Richard Schreiber) 7. 03:02 PM - Re: aileron pulley supports (Ed G.) 8. 04:14 PM - Re: aileron pulley supports (Michael Groah) 9. 04:50 PM - Looking for Corvair Flight Engine for Display in So. Cal (Tim Verthein) 10. 08:38 PM - Re: Prop carving How-To CD coming soon (carson) 11. 09:10 PM - Re: Prop carving How-To CD coming soon (Ryan Mueller) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:57 AM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Pietenpol-List: Weekend Hello all, My Saturday consisted of showing my Pietenpol project to lots of kids and families. I was asked to bring my project out to our Tulare County Kid's Fest. I set up my fuselage and almost competed wing panel along with a sheet of the plans and picture of what it could look like when complete. I was able to show kids and parents about the plane and about airplanes in general. It was fun and hopefully some of them learned something and sparked an interest in aviation. Then Sunday I spent a little time flying a Cherokee 140 (2.6 hours) and even grabbed my dad and took him for a ride. Well I just thought i'd throw that out since it IS Piet related. Mike Groah Tulare CA (Fuse and tail done other than main gear and a hundred other things, One wing panel almost done, center section almost done, and tons of other things to do. This Christmas will mark a year working on the project. I will finish it one of these days.) __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Weekend From: amsafetyc@aol.com TWlrZQ0KDQpXaGVyZSBpcyBUdWxhcmUgQ2E/IEhvdyBmYXIgaXMgaXQgZnJvbSBMQT8NCg0KSm9o bg0KU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IFZlcml6b24gV2lyZWxlc3MgQmxhY2tCZXJyeQ0KDQotLS0tLU9yaWdp bmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogTWljaGFlbCBHcm9haCA8ZHNrb2dyb3ZlckB5YWhvby5j b20+DQoNCkRhdGU6IE1vbiwgMjAgT2N0IDIwMDggMDk6MTU6NDUgDQpUbzogPHBpZXRlbnBvbC1s aXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+DQpTdWJqZWN0OiBQaWV0ZW5wb2wtTGlzdDogV2Vla2VuZA0KDQoN Cg0KSGVsbG8gYWxsLCANCg0KTXkgU2F0dXJkYXkgY29uc2lzdGVkIG9mIHNob3dpbmcgbXkgUGll dGVucG9sIHByb2plY3QgdG8gbG90cyBvZiBraWRzIGFuZCBmYW1pbGllcy4gIEkgd2FzIGFza2Vk IHRvIGJyaW5nIG15IHByb2plY3Qgb3V0IHRvIG91ciBUdWxhcmUgQ291bnR5IEtpZCdzIEZlc3Qu ICBJIHNldCB1cCBteSBmdXNlbGFnZSBhbmQgYWxtb3N0IGNvbXBldGVkIHdpbmcgcGFuZWwgYWxv bmcgd2l0aCBhIHNoZWV0IG9mIHRoZSBwbGFucyBhbmQgcGljdHVyZSBvZiB3aGF0IGl0IGNvdWxk IGxvb2sgbGlrZSB3aGVuIGNvbXBsZXRlLiAgSSB3YXMgYWJsZSB0byBzaG93IGtpZHMgYW5kIHBh cmVudHMgYWJvdXQgdGhlIHBsYW5lIGFuZCBhYm91dCBhaXJwbGFuZXMgaW4gZ2VuZXJhbC4gIEl0 IHdhcyBmdW4gYW5kIGhvcGVmdWxseSBzb21lIG9mIHRoZW0gbGVhcm5lZCBzb21ldGhpbmcgYW5k IHNwYXJrZWQgYW4gaW50ZXJlc3QgaW4gYXZpYXRpb24uICANCg0KVGhlbiBTdW5kYXkgSSBzcGVu dCBhIGxpdHRsZSB0aW1lIGZseWluZyBhIENoZXJva2VlIDE0MCAoMi42IGhvdXJzKSBhbmQgZXZl biBncmFiYmVkIG15IGRhZCBhbmQgdG9vayBoaW0gZm9yIGEgcmlkZS4gIA0KDQpXZWxsIEkganVz dCB0aG91Z2h0IGknZCB0aHJvdyB0aGF0IG91dCBzaW5jZSBpdCBJUyBQaWV0IHJlbGF0ZWQuICAN Cg0KTWlrZSBHcm9haCANClR1bGFyZSBDQQ0KKEZ1c2UgYW5kIHRhaWwgZG9uZSBvdGhlciB0aGFu IG1haW4gZ2VhciBhbmQgYSBodW5kcmVkIG90aGVyIHRoaW5ncywgT25lIHdpbmcgcGFuZWwgYWxt b3N0IGRvbmUsIGNlbnRlciBzZWN0aW9uIGFsbW9zdCBkb25lLCBhbmQgdG9ucyBvZiBvdGhlciB0 aGluZ3MgdG8gZG8uICAgVGhpcyBDaHJpc3RtYXMgd2lsbCBtYXJrIGEgeWVhciB3b3JraW5nIG9u IHRoZSBwcm9qZWN0LiAgSSB3aWxsIGZpbmlzaCBpdCBvbmUgb2YgdGhlc2UgZGF5cy4pDQoNCiBf X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KDQo ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:28 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Bomber Hello guys, we had a blast this past saturday with a little airport hanger party/fly-in.- We were going to have a spot landing competition, and bomb drop, but just did the bombdrop.- It was windy and a little bit cold but we still had fun.- A friend of mine I work with came by in time for his 1st ride in the piet, little did he know he was getting drafted into the Pi etenpol Airforce.- He was my bombbardier.- Water balloons were the orde nance, and a blue barrel the target.- That is the 1st time I have tried t hat, we did one low torpedo type run, and a 900ft- high, B-29 style appro ach.- Of course the B-29's bombsight was waaaaay off.- Earl, with his b lue Stinson 108 actually hit the barrel, with his girlfriend as his bombadi er, and the Eckles boys in the cub got close with the "stuka" dive bomb apr oach.- Next year I will try to plan a little better and get a few more in vites out so we can have team bombdrop, Piets vs ????- (I bet RV's would have a heck of a time throwing stuff out.)- - - Safe building and water bombing, Shad=0A=0A__________________________________________________=0ADo You Yahoo p://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:40 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Bomber From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Sign me up for next year's bombing runs Shad. I'll set up some drums at my home base to practice before I come down. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:54 PM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Weekend I'm about a 2-1/2 to 3 hour drive from LA. It's about 50 miles south of Fresno on the 99. (KTLR is our local airport.) We're the home to the World Ag Expo which is the worlds largest agriculture gathering. During Feb each year thousands of people fill up our little farming town and the surrounding area to attend the ag expo. Other than that we're a small agriculture and dairy community. amsafetyc@aol.com wrote: Mike Where is Tulare Ca? How far is it from LA? JohnSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry --------------------------------- From: Michael Groah Subject: Pietenpol-List: Weekend Hello all, My Saturday consisted of showing my Pietenpol project to lots of kids and families. I was asked to bring my project out to our Tulare County Kid's Fest. I set up my fuselage and almost competed wing panel along with a sheet of the plans and picture of what it could look like when complete. I was able to show kids and parents about the plane and about airplanes in general. It was fun and hopefully some of them learned something and sparked an interest in aviation. Then Sunday I spent a little time flying a Cherokee 140 (2.6 hours) and even grabbed my dad and took him for a ride. Well I just thought i'd throw that out since it IS Piet related. Mike Groah Tulare CA (Fuse and tail done other than main gear and a hundred other things, One wing panel almost done, center section almost done, and tons of other things to do. This Christmas will mark a year working on the ~,g(M4Gqz.'8^>'zzhIQhR' Eyn jj+ ^.+- Tn+bpbj!'60j@C,jwfffj|m &j',r5hRm &j',r5hR __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:28:45 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: Pietenpol-List: aileron pulley supports Some time ago I recall seeing a post that the two bolts that hold on the aileron pulley supports in the wing, will not fit as drawn on the plans. These are the two bolts that are underneath the pulley and between the pulley support arms. The poster said the bolt is too long to fit between the support arms and then through the drilled 3/16 inch hole. Looking at the plans and my cut out supports that sure looks to be the case. The poster wound up just drilling the attachment holes to the inside of the two pulleys on the support. Is this what everyone else has done? What about just reversing the bolt and putting the nut under the pulley and the head on the inside of the spar? As long as there is adequate clearance between the nut and the aileron cable, would it make any difference? Richard Schreiber lmforge@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:41 PM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: aileron pulley supports I did mine as per the plans and they worked out fine. I did have to chamfer the holes in the bracket slightly so that the bolts would slide through on the angle, but that did not seem to weaken the bracket. The trick is that the holes need to be drilled in the spar and the bracket slid into place with the bolts already in place in the bracket, a bit tricky but mine worked out fine and it's very secure. Ed G. >From: "Richard Schreiber" >To: "pietenpol-list" >Subject: Pietenpol-List: aileron pulley supports >Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:26:28 -0500 > >Some time ago I recall seeing a post that the two bolts that hold on the >aileron pulley supports in the wing, will not fit as drawn on the plans. >These are the two bolts that are underneath the pulley and between the >pulley support arms. The poster said the bolt is too long to fit between >the support arms and then through the drilled 3/16 inch hole. Looking at >the plans and my cut out supports that sure looks to be the case. The >poster wound up just drilling the attachment holes to the inside of the >two pulleys on the support. Is this what everyone else has done? What about >just reversing the bolt and putting the nut under the pulley and the head >on the inside of the spar? As long as there is adequate clearance between >the nut and the aileron cable, would it make any difference? > > >Richard Schreiber >lmforge@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:59 PM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: aileron pulley supports I agree ... I did the same and the plans design works fine. I did mine as per the plans and they worked out fine. I did have to chamfer the holes in the bracket slightly so that the bolts would slide through on the angle, but that did not seem to weaken the bracket. The trick is that the holes need to be drilled in the spar and the bracket slid into place with the bolts already in place in the bracket, a bit tricky but mine worked out fine and it's very secure. Ed G. >From: "Richard Schreiber" >To: "pietenpol-list" >Subject: Pietenpol-List: aileron pulley supports >Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:26:28 -0500 > >Some time ago I recall seeing a post that the two bolts that hold on the >aileron pulley supports in the wing, will not fit as drawn on the plans. >These are the two bolts that are underneath the pulley and between the >pulley support arms. The poster said the bolt is too long to fit between >the support arms and then through the drilled 3/16 inch hole. Looking at >the plans and my cut out supports that sure looks to be the case. The >poster wound up just drilling the attachment holes to the inside of the >two pulleys on the support. Is this what everyone else has done? What about >just reversing the bolt and putting the nut under the pulley and the head >on the inside of the spar? As long as there is adequate clearance between >the nut and the aileron cable, would it make any difference? > > >Richard Schreiber >lmforge@earthlink.net __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:04 PM PST US From: Tim Verthein Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for Corvair Flight Engine for Display in So. Cal Hey gang- Kind of weird post here, but oddly enough besides being Piet follower, I'm also a Zenith guy AND a Corvair driver (auto). One thing these three machines have in common is the use of the Corvair engine. There's a big Corvair event coming up end of the month in So Cal, and they're hoping to find someone with a Corvair flight engine for a display, or even one mounted to a fuse, etc. the following is from a friend in the Corvair car group, that he posted to the Zenith group, that I'm passing along here, too. they don't care if you're a Zenith guy, or whatever, if you have a Corvair flight engine you would display. Here's his post: " I have made several requests to several places including Flycorvair.com with no responses so I thought I'd make the request here. "I am a member of Vintage Corsa, the Orange County, California chapter of CORSA, Corvair Society of America (cars & trucks). Our chapter is hosting the Great Western Fan Belt Toss this year. It is one of the largest Corvair (car & truck) events on the west coast each year. The 'Toss will be held at the Orange County Fair Grounds on October 31st, November 1st and 2nd. It has been moved from Palm Springs to Orange County this year to try to give the Corvair more exposure to the general public. The 'Toss will share the fairgrounds that weekend with a national woodworking convention and the Orange County Market Place. The OC Market place boasts that they are the largest swap meet in Southern California. Thousands of people are expected to attend the fairgrounds that weekend. See our website for more information about the 'Toss. Vintagecorsa.com The reason that I have posted here is that we were wondering if someone wanted to represent the flight segment of the Corvair movement. Is there someone with a flight Corvair engine that might want to bring it to the show? (Could I dream of a fuselage with mounted engine?) If we can get someone, I'll see to it the display space is free. If you can think of a local So Cal guy that might be interested in displaying, please forward this email. It sure would be cool if we had a flight engine at the show! If someone wanted to travel to the show, I have a spare bedroom. Anyone should contact me directly. Thanks, Dave Thompson Westminster, CA Dave.thompson@verizon.net 714-334-3833" It didn't look like that copies and pasted as nice as I'd liked, hopefully it worked OK. I've found the Corvair car guys to be as nice a group as can be, and I'm sure it would be a blast for someone in the area. Tim in Bovey __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop carving How-To CD coming soon From: "carson" I will buy a copy Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 9607#209607 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:39 PM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop carving How-To CD coming soon I'll take one too. I don't plan on carving a prop for this Piet, but probably the next. Either way it will be good info to see. And I will pick up my copy in person, which gives me an excuse to see your Piet! 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