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1. 10:01 AM - Re: Pietenpol Bomber (Phillips, Jack)
2. 10:39 AM - Re: Pietenpol Bomber (Gary Boothe)
3. 10:56 AM - Re: Pietenpol Bomber (Phillips, Jack)
4. 01:02 PM - VERY handy gadget on woot.com (Jim Markle)
5. 01:09 PM - Re: Prop carving How-To CD coming soon (Barry Davis)
6. 01:31 PM - Re: VERY handy gadget on woot.com (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
7. 01:48 PM - Re: aileron pulley supports (Richard Schreiber)
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Subject: | Pietenpol Bomber |
Ahhh, reminds me of the days of my youth...
Back when I was 18, my Dad bought a J-3. My brother and I were going to
enter it in a flour-sack bombing contest at an airshow in Memphis, so we
asked a local farmer who had an airstrip if we could practice bombing at
his place. He said he'd rather we'd use lime than flour so it would do
his fields some good and let us go. We started practicing with various
altitudes and weren't being very successful. I decided to try the
dive-bomb approach. I took the Cub up to 1,000', chopped the throttle
to idle and stood it on its nose, watching the airspeed to keep it out
of the redline (125 mph on a Cub). I tossed the bomb out at about 100'
and pulled back on the stick. You know, it takes just about 100' to
pull a Cub out of a terminal velocity dive. I pointed the nose to the
sky and gave it full throttle and it kept going down! It finally began
to climb as the tailwheel kissed the grass. I decided right then and
there that dive bombing is not my preferred technique. As he was
watching this from the saftey of the ground, my brother kept wondering
"how am I going to get home if he crashes the airplane?"
The farmer watched us practice day after day and finally said "Boys,
I've got 40 acres in watermelons. There are always a few that the crows
have pecked holes in that I can't sell. I sure would enjoy watching you
drop them."
We took the stick out of the back, and my brother flew the Cub from the
front seat while I sat in the back with a watermelon under each arm and
3 of them on the floorbards. I made an adjustable bombsight that proved
to be pretty accurate, as long as the altitude was constant and the wind
wasn't blowing too hard. I would lean out the door and shout
instructions to him, as he maintained a constant altitude. I'd shout
"Left a bit. Steady. Steady. A little bit to the right - Bomb's Away!
We got where we could consistently hit a target the size of a car from
500'. Let me tell you, when you drop a watermelon 500' it digs a crater
about 6' in daimeter and a foot deep and just fills it with mud. It
throws a shower of mud and dirt about 30' in the air. Spectacular!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad
bell
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 2:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Bomber
Hello guys, we had a blast this past saturday with a little airport
hanger party/fly-in. We were going to have a spot landing competition,
and bomb drop, but just did the bombdrop. It was windy and a little bit
cold but we still had fun. A friend of mine I work with came by in time
for his 1st ride in the piet, little did he know he was getting drafted
into the Pietenpol Airforce. He was my bombbardier. Water balloons
were the ordenance, and a blue barrel the target. That is the 1st time
I have tried that, we did one low torpedo type run, and a 900ft high,
B-29 style approach. Of course the B-29's bombsight was waaaaay off.
Earl, with his blue Stinson 108 actually hit the barrel, with his
girlfriend as his bombadier, and the Eckles boys in the cub got close
with the "stuka" dive bomb aproach. Next year I will try to plan a
little better and get a few more invites out so we can have team
bombdrop, Piets vs ???? (I bet RV's would have a heck of a time
throwing stuff out.)
Safe building and water bombing,
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Subject: | Pietenpol Bomber |
Great story Jack! I'm sure everyone wants to see a picture or a drawing of
the famous "Phillips Bomb Sight."
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
(12 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips,
Jack
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Bomber
Ahhh, reminds me of the days of my youth.
Back when I was 18, my Dad bought a J-3. My brother and I were going to
enter it in a flour-sack bombing contest at an airshow in Memphis, so we
asked a local farmer who had an airstrip if we could practice bombing at his
place. He said he'd rather we'd use lime than flour so it would do his
fields some good and let us go. We started practicing with various
altitudes and weren't being very successful. I decided to try the dive-bomb
approach. I took the Cub up to 1,000', chopped the throttle to idle and
stood it on its nose, watching the airspeed to keep it out of the redline
(125 mph on a Cub). I tossed the bomb out at about 100' and pulled back on
the stick. You know, it takes just about 100' to pull a Cub out of a
terminal velocity dive. I pointed the nose to the sky and gave it full
throttle and it kept going down! It finally began to climb as the tailwheel
kissed the grass. I decided right then and there that dive bombing is not
my preferred technique. As he was watching this from the saftey of the
ground, my brother kept wondering "how am I going to get home if he crashes
the airplane?"
The farmer watched us practice day after day and finally said "Boys, I've
got 40 acres in watermelons. There are always a few that the crows have
pecked holes in that I can't sell. I sure would enjoy watching you drop
them."
We took the stick out of the back, and my brother flew the Cub from the
front seat while I sat in the back with a watermelon under each arm and 3 of
them on the floorbards. I made an adjustable bombsight that proved to be
pretty accurate, as long as the altitude was constant and the wind wasn't
blowing too hard. I would lean out the door and shout instructions to him,
as he maintained a constant altitude. I'd shout "Left a bit. Steady.
Steady. A little bit to the right - Bomb's Away! We got where we could
consistently hit a target the size of a car from 500'. Let me tell you,
when you drop a watermelon 500' it digs a crater about 6' in daimeter and a
foot deep and just fills it with mud. It throws a shower of mud and dirt
about 30' in the air. Spectacular!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 2:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Bomber
Hello guys, we had a blast this past saturday with a little airport hanger
party/fly-in. We were going to have a spot landing competition, and bomb
drop, but just did the bombdrop. It was windy and a little bit cold but we
still had fun. A friend of mine I work with came by in time for his 1st
ride in the piet, little did he know he was getting drafted into the
Pietenpol Airforce. He was my bombbardier. Water balloons were the
ordenance, and a blue barrel the target. That is the 1st time I have tried
that, we did one low torpedo type run, and a 900ft high, B-29 style
approach. Of course the B-29's bombsight was waaaaay off. Earl, with his
blue Stinson 108 actually hit the barrel, with his girlfriend as his
bombadier, and the Eckles boys in the cub got close with the "stuka" dive
bomb aproach. Next year I will try to plan a little better and get a few
more invites out so we can have team bombdrop, Piets vs ???? (I bet RV's
would have a heck of a time throwing stuff out.)
Safe building and water bombing,
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Subject: | Pietenpol Bomber |
It was really simple. I used a tomato juice can with both ends cut out
and used some black thread to make cross-hairs. I soldered a little
piece of threaded rod (it was an axle from a slot-racing car. How many
people remember slot-racing?) to the can and used it as an axle so I
could tilt the can up and down on its mount. With a slot-car tire as a
jam nut, I could adjust the angle of the sight and then lock it in
place. The whole assembly was clamped onto the front tube that defined
the lower door opening of the Cub with a C-Clamp, so I could sit in the
rear seat and lean out slightly and sight through the tube. When the
target crossed the cross hairs, I let go of the melon. Pretty soon the
bombsight became too much trouble and my eye got good enough to aim the
airplane sufficiently to get the bomb on target. Flying the plane took
skill, too. You had to give up on seeing the target and just
concentrate on flying the airplane and following the bombardier's
instructions (just like a B-17).
I wonder how much over-gross we were? Those melons probably averaged
20-25 lbs apiece and we would have full fuel, two boys and 5 melons on a
flight. Of course, I weighed about 75 lbs less then than I do now.
Those were the days...
You know, one reason I built a Pietenpol is because it flies closer to a
Cub than any other plane I've ever flown. It's hard to beat such an
airplane for fun flying.
Jack
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Bomber
Great story Jack! I'm sure everyone wants to see a picture or a drawing
of the famous "Phillips Bomb Sight."
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
(12 ribs down...)
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Phillips, Jack
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Bomber
Ahhh, reminds me of the days of my youth...
Back when I was 18, my Dad bought a J-3. My brother and I were going to
enter it in a flour-sack bombing contest at an airshow in Memphis, so we
asked a local farmer who had an airstrip if we could practice bombing at
his place. He said he'd rather we'd use lime than flour so it would do
his fields some good and let us go. We started practicing with various
altitudes and weren't being very successful. I decided to try the
dive-bomb approach. I took the Cub up to 1,000', chopped the throttle
to idle and stood it on its nose, watching the airspeed to keep it out
of the redline (125 mph on a Cub). I tossed the bomb out at about 100'
and pulled back on the stick. You know, it takes just about 100' to
pull a Cub out of a terminal velocity dive. I pointed the nose to the
sky and gave it full throttle and it kept going down! It finally began
to climb as the tailwheel kissed the grass. I decided right then and
there that dive bombing is not my preferred technique. As he was
watching this from the saftey of the ground, my brother kept wondering
"how am I going to get home if he crashes the airplane?"
The farmer watched us practice day after day and finally said "Boys,
I've got 40 acres in watermelons. There are always a few that the crows
have pecked holes in that I can't sell. I sure would enjoy watching you
drop them."
We took the stick out of the back, and my brother flew the Cub from the
front seat while I sat in the back with a watermelon under each arm and
3 of them on the floorbards. I made an adjustable bombsight that proved
to be pretty accurate, as long as the altitude was constant and the wind
wasn't blowing too hard. I would lean out the door and shout
instructions to him, as he maintained a constant altitude. I'd shout
"Left a bit. Steady. Steady. A little bit to the right - Bomb's Away!
We got where we could consistently hit a target the size of a car from
500'. Let me tell you, when you drop a watermelon 500' it digs a crater
about 6' in daimeter and a foot deep and just fills it with mud. It
throws a shower of mud and dirt about 30' in the air. Spectacular!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad
bell
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 2:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Bomber
Hello guys, we had a blast this past saturday with a little airport
hanger party/fly-in. We were going to have a spot landing competition,
and bomb drop, but just did the bombdrop. It was windy and a little bit
cold but we still had fun. A friend of mine I work with came by in time
for his 1st ride in the piet, little did he know he was getting drafted
into the Pietenpol Airforce. He was my bombbardier. Water balloons
were the ordenance, and a blue barrel the target. That is the 1st time
I have tried that, we did one low torpedo type run, and a 900ft high,
B-29 style approach. Of course the B-29's bombsight was waaaaay off.
Earl, with his blue Stinson 108 actually hit the barrel, with his
girlfriend as his bombadier, and the Eckles boys in the cub got close
with the "stuka" dive bomb aproach. Next year I will try to plan a
little better and get a few more invites out so we can have team
bombdrop, Piets vs ???? (I bet RV's would have a heck of a time
throwing stuff out.)
Safe building and water bombing,
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Subject: | VERY handy gadget on woot.com |
one day only....
handy for setting up wings, etc.
http://www.woot.com/
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Subject: | Re: Prop carving How-To CD coming soon |
Me too
Barry Davis
Big Piets in Ga
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop carving How-To CD coming soon
Hello all,
I have been contacted by several of the subscribers to this list about
making available more information concerning the "Jerry Thornhill-All
Power Tool" method of prop carving. I am in the process of composing a
very detailed essay describing this entire procedure, including many
photos. My plan is to at some point make this available to anyone who
wants it, at some nominal fee (to be determined later). I am thinking of
putting all of this complete information on a CD. Right now I am asking
for feedback as far as who might possibly be interested in getting one
of these.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Re: VERY handy gadget on woot.com |
got mine!
In a message dated 10/21/2008 4:04:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jim_markle@mindspring.com writes:
one day only....
handy for setting up wings, etc.
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Subject: | aileron pulley supports |
Thanks guys, I'll chamfer the holes enough to get the bolts in.
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Groah
Sent: 10/20/2008 6:18:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: aileron pulley supports
I agree ... I did the same and the plans design works fine.
"Ed G." <flyboy_120@hotmail.com> wrote:
I did mine as per the plans and they worked out fine. I did have to chamfer
the holes in the bracket slightly so that the bolts would slide through on
the angle, but that did not seem to weaken the bracket. The trick is that
the holes need to be drilled in the spar and the bracket slid into place
with the bolts already in place in the bracket, a bit tricky but mine worked
out fine and it's very secure. Ed G.
>From: "Richard Schreiber"
>To: "pietenpol-list"
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: aileron pulley supports
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:26:28 -0500
>
>Some time ago I recall seeing a post that the two bolts that hold on the
>aileron pulley supports in the wing, will not fit as drawn on the plans.
>These are the two bolts that are underneath the pulley and between the
>pulley support arms. The poster said the bolt is too long to fit between
>the support arms and then through the drilled 3/16 inch hole. Looking at
>the plans and my cut out supports that sure looks to be the case. The
>poster wound up just drilling the attachment holes to the inside of the
>two pulleys on the support. Is this what everyone else has done? What about
>just reversing the bolt and putting the nut under the pulley and the head
>on the inside of the spar? As long as there is adequate clearance between
>the nut and the aileron cable, would it make any difference?
>
>
>Richard
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