---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/21/08: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:01 AM - Re: Pietenpol Bomber (Phillips, Jack) 2. 10:39 AM - Re: Pietenpol Bomber (Gary Boothe) 3. 10:56 AM - Re: Pietenpol Bomber (Phillips, Jack) 4. 01:02 PM - VERY handy gadget on woot.com (Jim Markle) 5. 01:09 PM - Re: Prop carving How-To CD coming soon (Barry Davis) 6. 01:31 PM - Re: VERY handy gadget on woot.com (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 7. 01:48 PM - Re: aileron pulley supports (Richard Schreiber) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:39 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Bomber From: "Phillips, Jack" Ahhh, reminds me of the days of my youth... Back when I was 18, my Dad bought a J-3. My brother and I were going to enter it in a flour-sack bombing contest at an airshow in Memphis, so we asked a local farmer who had an airstrip if we could practice bombing at his place. He said he'd rather we'd use lime than flour so it would do his fields some good and let us go. We started practicing with various altitudes and weren't being very successful. I decided to try the dive-bomb approach. I took the Cub up to 1,000', chopped the throttle to idle and stood it on its nose, watching the airspeed to keep it out of the redline (125 mph on a Cub). I tossed the bomb out at about 100' and pulled back on the stick. You know, it takes just about 100' to pull a Cub out of a terminal velocity dive. I pointed the nose to the sky and gave it full throttle and it kept going down! It finally began to climb as the tailwheel kissed the grass. I decided right then and there that dive bombing is not my preferred technique. As he was watching this from the saftey of the ground, my brother kept wondering "how am I going to get home if he crashes the airplane?" The farmer watched us practice day after day and finally said "Boys, I've got 40 acres in watermelons. There are always a few that the crows have pecked holes in that I can't sell. I sure would enjoy watching you drop them." We took the stick out of the back, and my brother flew the Cub from the front seat while I sat in the back with a watermelon under each arm and 3 of them on the floorbards. I made an adjustable bombsight that proved to be pretty accurate, as long as the altitude was constant and the wind wasn't blowing too hard. I would lean out the door and shout instructions to him, as he maintained a constant altitude. I'd shout "Left a bit. Steady. Steady. A little bit to the right - Bomb's Away! We got where we could consistently hit a target the size of a car from 500'. Let me tell you, when you drop a watermelon 500' it digs a crater about 6' in daimeter and a foot deep and just fills it with mud. It throws a shower of mud and dirt about 30' in the air. Spectacular! Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Bomber Hello guys, we had a blast this past saturday with a little airport hanger party/fly-in. We were going to have a spot landing competition, and bomb drop, but just did the bombdrop. It was windy and a little bit cold but we still had fun. A friend of mine I work with came by in time for his 1st ride in the piet, little did he know he was getting drafted into the Pietenpol Airforce. He was my bombbardier. Water balloons were the ordenance, and a blue barrel the target. That is the 1st time I have tried that, we did one low torpedo type run, and a 900ft high, B-29 style approach. Of course the B-29's bombsight was waaaaay off. Earl, with his blue Stinson 108 actually hit the barrel, with his girlfriend as his bombadier, and the Eckles boys in the cub got close with the "stuka" dive bomb aproach. Next year I will try to plan a little better and get a few more invites out so we can have team bombdrop, Piets vs ???? (I bet RV's would have a heck of a time throwing stuff out.) Safe building and water bombing, _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:17 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Bomber Great story Jack! I'm sure everyone wants to see a picture or a drawing of the famous "Phillips Bomb Sight." Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!) (12 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Bomber Ahhh, reminds me of the days of my youth. Back when I was 18, my Dad bought a J-3. My brother and I were going to enter it in a flour-sack bombing contest at an airshow in Memphis, so we asked a local farmer who had an airstrip if we could practice bombing at his place. He said he'd rather we'd use lime than flour so it would do his fields some good and let us go. We started practicing with various altitudes and weren't being very successful. I decided to try the dive-bomb approach. I took the Cub up to 1,000', chopped the throttle to idle and stood it on its nose, watching the airspeed to keep it out of the redline (125 mph on a Cub). I tossed the bomb out at about 100' and pulled back on the stick. You know, it takes just about 100' to pull a Cub out of a terminal velocity dive. I pointed the nose to the sky and gave it full throttle and it kept going down! It finally began to climb as the tailwheel kissed the grass. I decided right then and there that dive bombing is not my preferred technique. As he was watching this from the saftey of the ground, my brother kept wondering "how am I going to get home if he crashes the airplane?" The farmer watched us practice day after day and finally said "Boys, I've got 40 acres in watermelons. There are always a few that the crows have pecked holes in that I can't sell. I sure would enjoy watching you drop them." We took the stick out of the back, and my brother flew the Cub from the front seat while I sat in the back with a watermelon under each arm and 3 of them on the floorbards. I made an adjustable bombsight that proved to be pretty accurate, as long as the altitude was constant and the wind wasn't blowing too hard. I would lean out the door and shout instructions to him, as he maintained a constant altitude. I'd shout "Left a bit. Steady. Steady. A little bit to the right - Bomb's Away! We got where we could consistently hit a target the size of a car from 500'. Let me tell you, when you drop a watermelon 500' it digs a crater about 6' in daimeter and a foot deep and just fills it with mud. It throws a shower of mud and dirt about 30' in the air. Spectacular! Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Bomber Hello guys, we had a blast this past saturday with a little airport hanger party/fly-in. We were going to have a spot landing competition, and bomb drop, but just did the bombdrop. It was windy and a little bit cold but we still had fun. A friend of mine I work with came by in time for his 1st ride in the piet, little did he know he was getting drafted into the Pietenpol Airforce. He was my bombbardier. Water balloons were the ordenance, and a blue barrel the target. That is the 1st time I have tried that, we did one low torpedo type run, and a 900ft high, B-29 style approach. Of course the B-29's bombsight was waaaaay off. Earl, with his blue Stinson 108 actually hit the barrel, with his girlfriend as his bombadier, and the Eckles boys in the cub got close with the "stuka" dive bomb aproach. Next year I will try to plan a little better and get a few more invites out so we can have team bombdrop, Piets vs ???? (I bet RV's would have a heck of a time throwing stuff out.) Safe building and water bombing, _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:38 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Bomber From: "Phillips, Jack" It was really simple. I used a tomato juice can with both ends cut out and used some black thread to make cross-hairs. I soldered a little piece of threaded rod (it was an axle from a slot-racing car. How many people remember slot-racing?) to the can and used it as an axle so I could tilt the can up and down on its mount. With a slot-car tire as a jam nut, I could adjust the angle of the sight and then lock it in place. The whole assembly was clamped onto the front tube that defined the lower door opening of the Cub with a C-Clamp, so I could sit in the rear seat and lean out slightly and sight through the tube. When the target crossed the cross hairs, I let go of the melon. Pretty soon the bombsight became too much trouble and my eye got good enough to aim the airplane sufficiently to get the bomb on target. Flying the plane took skill, too. You had to give up on seeing the target and just concentrate on flying the airplane and following the bombardier's instructions (just like a B-17). I wonder how much over-gross we were? Those melons probably averaged 20-25 lbs apiece and we would have full fuel, two boys and 5 melons on a flight. Of course, I weighed about 75 lbs less then than I do now. Those were the days... You know, one reason I built a Pietenpol is because it flies closer to a Cub than any other plane I've ever flown. It's hard to beat such an airplane for fun flying. Jack _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 1:39 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Bomber Great story Jack! I'm sure everyone wants to see a picture or a drawing of the famous "Phillips Bomb Sight." Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!) (12 ribs down...) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Bomber Ahhh, reminds me of the days of my youth... Back when I was 18, my Dad bought a J-3. My brother and I were going to enter it in a flour-sack bombing contest at an airshow in Memphis, so we asked a local farmer who had an airstrip if we could practice bombing at his place. He said he'd rather we'd use lime than flour so it would do his fields some good and let us go. We started practicing with various altitudes and weren't being very successful. I decided to try the dive-bomb approach. I took the Cub up to 1,000', chopped the throttle to idle and stood it on its nose, watching the airspeed to keep it out of the redline (125 mph on a Cub). I tossed the bomb out at about 100' and pulled back on the stick. You know, it takes just about 100' to pull a Cub out of a terminal velocity dive. I pointed the nose to the sky and gave it full throttle and it kept going down! It finally began to climb as the tailwheel kissed the grass. I decided right then and there that dive bombing is not my preferred technique. As he was watching this from the saftey of the ground, my brother kept wondering "how am I going to get home if he crashes the airplane?" The farmer watched us practice day after day and finally said "Boys, I've got 40 acres in watermelons. There are always a few that the crows have pecked holes in that I can't sell. I sure would enjoy watching you drop them." We took the stick out of the back, and my brother flew the Cub from the front seat while I sat in the back with a watermelon under each arm and 3 of them on the floorbards. I made an adjustable bombsight that proved to be pretty accurate, as long as the altitude was constant and the wind wasn't blowing too hard. I would lean out the door and shout instructions to him, as he maintained a constant altitude. I'd shout "Left a bit. Steady. Steady. A little bit to the right - Bomb's Away! We got where we could consistently hit a target the size of a car from 500'. Let me tell you, when you drop a watermelon 500' it digs a crater about 6' in daimeter and a foot deep and just fills it with mud. It throws a shower of mud and dirt about 30' in the air. Spectacular! Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Bomber Hello guys, we had a blast this past saturday with a little airport hanger party/fly-in. We were going to have a spot landing competition, and bomb drop, but just did the bombdrop. It was windy and a little bit cold but we still had fun. A friend of mine I work with came by in time for his 1st ride in the piet, little did he know he was getting drafted into the Pietenpol Airforce. He was my bombbardier. Water balloons were the ordenance, and a blue barrel the target. That is the 1st time I have tried that, we did one low torpedo type run, and a 900ft high, B-29 style approach. Of course the B-29's bombsight was waaaaay off. Earl, with his blue Stinson 108 actually hit the barrel, with his girlfriend as his bombadier, and the Eckles boys in the cub got close with the "stuka" dive bomb aproach. Next year I will try to plan a little better and get a few more invites out so we can have team bombdrop, Piets vs ???? (I bet RV's would have a heck of a time throwing stuff out.) Safe building and water bombing, _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. 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Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:57 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Pietenpol-List: VERY handy gadget on woot.com one day only.... handy for setting up wings, etc. http://www.woot.com/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:10 PM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop carving How-To CD coming soon Me too Barry Davis Big Piets in Ga ----- Original Message ----- From: HelsperSew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:22 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop carving How-To CD coming soon Hello all, I have been contacted by several of the subscribers to this list about making available more information concerning the "Jerry Thornhill-All Power Tool" method of prop carving. I am in the process of composing a very detailed essay describing this entire procedure, including many photos. My plan is to at some point make this available to anyone who wants it, at some nominal fee (to be determined later). I am thinking of putting all of this complete information on a CD. Right now I am asking for feedback as far as who might possibly be interested in getting one of these. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Di100000075x1211031713x1200669822/aol?redir=http://local.mapquest.com/? ncid=emlcntnew00000002">Try it out! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:10 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: VERY handy gadget on woot.com got mine! In a message dated 10/21/2008 4:04:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jim_markle@mindspring.com writes: one day only.... handy for setting up wings, etc. _http://www.woot.com/_ (http://www.woot.com/) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:48:49 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: aileron pulley supports Thanks guys, I'll chamfer the holes enough to get the bolts in. Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Groah Sent: 10/20/2008 6:18:28 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: aileron pulley supports I agree ... I did the same and the plans design works fine. "Ed G." wrote: I did mine as per the plans and they worked out fine. I did have to chamfer the holes in the bracket slightly so that the bolts would slide through on the angle, but that did not seem to weaken the bracket. The trick is that the holes need to be drilled in the spar and the bracket slid into place with the bolts already in place in the bracket, a bit tricky but mine worked out fine and it's very secure. Ed G. >From: "Richard Schreiber" >To: "pietenpol-list" >Subject: Pietenpol-List: aileron pulley supports >Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:26:28 -0500 > >Some time ago I recall seeing a post that the two bolts that hold on the >aileron pulley supports in the wing, will not fit as drawn on the plans. >These are the two bolts that are underneath the pulley and between the >pulley support arms. The poster said the bolt is too long to fit between >the support arms and then through the drilled 3/16 inch hole. Looking at >the plans and my cut out supports that sure looks to be the case. The >poster wound up just drilling the attachment holes to the inside of the >two pulleys on the support. Is this what everyone else has done? What about >just reversing the bolt and putting the nut under the pulley and the head >on the inside of the spar? As long as there is adequate clearance between >the nut and the aileron cable, would it make any difference? > > >Richard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.