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1. 12:40 AM - Re Lift Struts (Graham & Robin Hewitt)
2. 05:06 AM - Re: Re Lift Struts (Phillips, Jack)
3. 05:43 AM - Corvair College #12 (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 05:43 AM - Re: Re Lift Struts (Jim Ash)
5. 07:52 AM - Re: Re Lift Struts (Phillips, Jack)
6. 08:13 AM - Re: Re Lift Struts (Jim Ash)
7. 08:35 AM - Re: Re Lift Struts (Phillips, Jack)
8. 08:43 AM - Re: Re Lift Struts (John Hofmann)
9. 09:45 AM - Lift Struts (Oscar Zuniga)
10. 09:49 AM - Re: Corvair College #12 (Gardiner Mason)
11. 10:24 AM - Re: Lift Struts (Isablcorky@aol.com)
12. 11:13 AM - Lift Struts (Oscar Zuniga)
13. 11:19 AM - Corvair College #12 (Oscar Zuniga)
14. 11:38 AM - Re: Lift Struts (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
15. 12:27 PM - Re: Lift Struts (Isablcorky@aol.com)
16. 12:45 PM - Re: Lift Struts (Jim Ash)
17. 01:39 PM - Re: Lift Struts (Ben Williams)
18. 02:29 PM - Re: Lift Struts (Gene & Tammy)
19. 03:59 PM - Re: Pietenpol Bomber (Lagowski Morrow)
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Hi Builders
I would appreciate some feed back on Lift struts for Pietenpols
Some plans show all four struts to be 2.68 inches X 1.44 inches with a
wall of .049
Am sure that many Cubs and similar types have the rear strut much
smaller in section than the front
And the front strut much less than 2 inches wide.
Has any one considered Alloy , I believe that some Ballanca planes use
this with fittings bolted to the ends.
Your views would be appreciated
Regards Graham Hewitt
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Graham,
Much of this is in the Archives, for these are common questions.
Some planes have smaller rear lift struts than front lift struts.
However, most planes have a rear spar much smaller and further aft than
the Pietenpol's rear spar. In most planes the rear spar carries less
than half the load of the front spar. In the Pietenpol design, the two
spars are the same size and the rear spar is relatively far forward,
suggesting that it carries a substantial part of the wing load.
As for alloy, I assume you are referring to aluminum alloy. These have
been used with success in the past (interplane struts on a Stearman are
aluminum) and several Piet builders are using SkyTek aluminum strut
material. Again, check the archives. Several Pietenpols are flying
with wooden struts as well.
I used lift struts from a couple of J-3 Cubs (a recent AD made a LOT of
Cub struts available for very little money) because they were cheap and
readily available. Also, being steel, they were readily weldable to
incorporate the fittings to attach to the spars and the fuselage (and
the jury struts).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham &
Robin Hewitt
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Lift Struts
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Hi Builders
I would appreciate some feed back on Lift struts for Pietenpols
Some plans show all four struts to be 2.68 inches X 1.44 inches with a
wall of .049
Am sure that many Cubs and similar types have the rear strut much
smaller in section than the front
And the front strut much less than 2 inches wide.
Has any one considered Alloy , I believe that some Ballanca planes use
this with fittings bolted to the ends.
Your views would be appreciated
Regards Graham Hewitt
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>From William Wynne:
We've posted an update on our Web site at
http://FlyCorvair.com/hangar.html with all the information for Corvair College #12 to be held Nov. 7-9 just
outside Columbia, S.C.
Oscar Zuniga
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Please be careful if you're going to use old Cub struts.
The original struts breathed, which allowed moisture into them, especially during
temperature changes. This moisture would condense inside, run down, and accumulate
at the bottom of the strut. The strut would rust from the inside-out,
leaving little or no indication of a problem until it was structurally unsound.
The AD requires the old struts to be punch tested at stations within a specified
distance from the bottom and rolled with (hot) linseed oil. The rolling consequently
requires their removal. The AD is satisfied permanently if the struts
are replaced with sealed struts, available from Univair. The on-going cost
and hassle of the AD has incented a lot of Cub people to just bite the bullet,
replace their struts, and be done with it, which is what I did with mine maybe
6-8 years ago. This is why there is a glut of old Cub struts around. This is
a well-known AD for the Cub, and sealed struts add value to a Cub when doing
a pre-purchase inspection.
The last time I saw mine they were in a junk pile next to the A&P's hangar with
a number of others, but I haven't lived in the area for 6+ years, that A&P is
gone, and the airport (X55) has changed hands since then. I always meant to grab
them and take them home, but I'd be willing to wager they're gone now.
Non-sealed Cub struts may certainly be used like Jack did. Cub fronts and backs
are the same. I'll probably use some myself. But the lower end should probably
be hacked off and a new lower fitting welded onto the slightly shorter strut,
if a visual inspection of the internals of the strut comes up relatively clean.
I might also be inclined to dry them out somehow, roll them once, then fill
in the oil filler hole, effectively sealing them.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
>Sent: Oct 22, 2008 8:05 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Lift Struts
>
>Graham,
>
>
>
>Much of this is in the Archives, for these are common questions.
>
>
>
>Some planes have smaller rear lift struts than front lift struts.
>However, most planes have a rear spar much smaller and further aft than
>the Pietenpol's rear spar. In most planes the rear spar carries less
>than half the load of the front spar. In the Pietenpol design, the two
>spars are the same size and the rear spar is relatively far forward,
>suggesting that it carries a substantial part of the wing load.
>
>
>
>As for alloy, I assume you are referring to aluminum alloy. These have
>been used with success in the past (interplane struts on a Stearman are
>aluminum) and several Piet builders are using SkyTek aluminum strut
>material. Again, check the archives. Several Pietenpols are flying
>with wooden struts as well.
>
>
>
>I used lift struts from a couple of J-3 Cubs (a recent AD made a LOT of
>Cub struts available for very little money) because they were cheap and
>readily available. Also, being steel, they were readily weldable to
>incorporate the fittings to attach to the spars and the fuselage (and
>the jury struts).
>
>
>
>Jack Phillips
>
>NX899JP
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham &
>Robin Hewitt
>Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:40 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Lift Struts
>
>
>
><grhewitt@globaldial.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>Hi Builders
>
>I would appreciate some feed back on Lift struts for Pietenpols
>
>
>
>Some plans show all four struts to be 2.68 inches X 1.44 inches with a
>
>wall of .049
>
>
>
>Am sure that many Cubs and similar types have the rear strut much
>
>smaller in section than the front
>
>
>
>And the front strut much less than 2 inches wide.
>
>
>
>Has any one considered Alloy , I believe that some Ballanca planes use
>
>this with fittings bolted to the ends.
>
>
>
>Your views would be appreciated
>
>
>
>Regards Graham Hewitt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Everything Jim said is true, except that the front and rear struts are
the same on a Cub. The front struts are bigger, and have fairlead lugs
for the aileron cables welded to the strut.
Since Cub struts are a little over 10' long and a Pietenpol strus is
typically about 8', you can safely cut off the bottom 2' where the rust
is and then eiather seal or oil the struts. When I cut mine, there was
a big wad of oil goo in the bottom, but no rust.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:44 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Lift Struts
Please be careful if you're going to use old Cub struts.
The original struts breathed, which allowed moisture into them,
especially during temperature changes. This moisture would condense
inside, run down, and accumulate at the bottom of the strut. The strut
would rust from the inside-out, leaving little or no indication of a
problem until it was structurally unsound. The AD requires the old
struts to be punch tested at stations within a specified distance from
the bottom and rolled with (hot) linseed oil. The rolling consequently
requires their removal. The AD is satisfied permanently if the struts
are replaced with sealed struts, available from Univair. The on-going
cost and hassle of the AD has incented a lot of Cub people to just bite
the bullet, replace their struts, and be done with it, which is what I
did with mine maybe 6-8 years ago. This is why there is a glut of old
Cub struts around. This is a well-known AD for the Cub, and sealed
struts add value to a Cub when doing a pre-purchase inspection.
The last time I saw mine they were in a junk pile next to the A&P's
hangar with a number of others, but I haven't lived in the area for 6+
years, that A&P is gone, and the airport (X55) has changed hands since
then. I always meant to grab them and take them home, but I'd be willing
to wager they're gone now.
Non-sealed Cub struts may certainly be used like Jack did. Cub fronts
and backs are the same. I'll probably use some myself. But the lower end
should probably be hacked off and a new lower fitting welded onto the
slightly shorter strut, if a visual inspection of the internals of the
strut comes up relatively clean. I might also be inclined to dry them
out somehow, roll them once, then fill in the oil filler hole,
effectively sealing them.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
>Sent: Oct 22, 2008 8:05 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Lift Struts
>
>Graham,
>
>
>
>Much of this is in the Archives, for these are common questions.
>
>
>
>Some planes have smaller rear lift struts than front lift struts.
>However, most planes have a rear spar much smaller and further aft than
>the Pietenpol's rear spar. In most planes the rear spar carries less
>than half the load of the front spar. In the Pietenpol design, the two
>spars are the same size and the rear spar is relatively far forward,
>suggesting that it carries a substantial part of the wing load.
>
>
>
>As for alloy, I assume you are referring to aluminum alloy. These have
>been used with success in the past (interplane struts on a Stearman are
>aluminum) and several Piet builders are using SkyTek aluminum strut
>material. Again, check the archives. Several Pietenpols are flying
>with wooden struts as well.
>
>
>
>I used lift struts from a couple of J-3 Cubs (a recent AD made a LOT of
>Cub struts available for very little money) because they were cheap and
>readily available. Also, being steel, they were readily weldable to
>incorporate the fittings to attach to the spars and the fuselage (and
>the jury struts).
>
>
>
>Jack Phillips
>
>NX899JP
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
&
>Robin Hewitt
>Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:40 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Lift Struts
>
>
>
><grhewitt@globaldial.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>Hi Builders
>
>I would appreciate some feed back on Lift struts for Pietenpols
>
>
>
>Some plans show all four struts to be 2.68 inches X 1.44 inches with a
>
>wall of .049
>
>
>
>Am sure that many Cubs and similar types have the rear strut much
>
>smaller in section than the front
>
>
>
>And the front strut much less than 2 inches wide.
>
>
>
>Has any one considered Alloy , I believe that some Ballanca planes use
>
>this with fittings bolted to the ends.
>
>
>
>Your views would be appreciated
>
>
>
>Regards Graham Hewitt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>_________________________________________________
>
>or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error,
please notify the sender
>
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They're not the same? I've owned that plane for 15 years and never noticed. And
I do a really long and thorough pre-flight, so it's that much more embarrassing.
I never thought about the cable leads, but now that you mention it, you're
right. When I ordered the sealed struts, I just ordered a set, assuming it was
4x of the same thing, not thinking it was 2x2. I had them shipped straight to
my A&P, so I never saw the invoice; just a healthy charge on a card. I stand
corrected.
When you say the front struts are bigger, is that only in length, or cross-section
as well?
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
>Sent: Oct 22, 2008 10:49 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Lift Struts
>
>
>Everything Jim said is true, except that the front and rear struts are
>the same on a Cub. The front struts are bigger, and have fairlead lugs
>for the aileron cables welded to the strut.
>
>Since Cub struts are a little over 10' long and a Pietenpol strus is
>typically about 8', you can safely cut off the bottom 2' where the rust
>is and then eiather seal or oil the struts. When I cut mine, there was
>a big wad of oil goo in the bottom, but no rust.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash
>Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:44 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Lift Struts
>
>
>Please be careful if you're going to use old Cub struts.
>
>The original struts breathed, which allowed moisture into them,
>especially during temperature changes. This moisture would condense
>inside, run down, and accumulate at the bottom of the strut. The strut
>would rust from the inside-out, leaving little or no indication of a
>problem until it was structurally unsound. The AD requires the old
>struts to be punch tested at stations within a specified distance from
>the bottom and rolled with (hot) linseed oil. The rolling consequently
>requires their removal. The AD is satisfied permanently if the struts
>are replaced with sealed struts, available from Univair. The on-going
>cost and hassle of the AD has incented a lot of Cub people to just bite
>the bullet, replace their struts, and be done with it, which is what I
>did with mine maybe 6-8 years ago. This is why there is a glut of old
>Cub struts around. This is a well-known AD for the Cub, and sealed
>struts add value to a Cub when doing a pre-purchase inspection.
>
>The last time I saw mine they were in a junk pile next to the A&P's
>hangar with a number of others, but I haven't lived in the area for 6+
>years, that A&P is gone, and the airport (X55) has changed hands since
>then. I always meant to grab them and take them home, but I'd be willing
>to wager they're gone now.
>
>Non-sealed Cub struts may certainly be used like Jack did. Cub fronts
>and backs are the same. I'll probably use some myself. But the lower end
>should probably be hacked off and a new lower fitting welded onto the
>slightly shorter strut, if a visual inspection of the internals of the
>strut comes up relatively clean. I might also be inclined to dry them
>out somehow, roll them once, then fill in the oil filler hole,
>effectively sealing them.
>
>Jim
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
>>Sent: Oct 22, 2008 8:05 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Lift Struts
>>
>>Graham,
>>
>>
>>
>>Much of this is in the Archives, for these are common questions.
>>
>>
>>
>>Some planes have smaller rear lift struts than front lift struts.
>>However, most planes have a rear spar much smaller and further aft than
>>the Pietenpol's rear spar. In most planes the rear spar carries less
>>than half the load of the front spar. In the Pietenpol design, the two
>>spars are the same size and the rear spar is relatively far forward,
>>suggesting that it carries a substantial part of the wing load.
>>
>>
>>
>>As for alloy, I assume you are referring to aluminum alloy. These have
>>been used with success in the past (interplane struts on a Stearman are
>>aluminum) and several Piet builders are using SkyTek aluminum strut
>>material. Again, check the archives. Several Pietenpols are flying
>>with wooden struts as well.
>>
>>
>>
>>I used lift struts from a couple of J-3 Cubs (a recent AD made a LOT of
>>Cub struts available for very little money) because they were cheap and
>>readily available. Also, being steel, they were readily weldable to
>>incorporate the fittings to attach to the spars and the fuselage (and
>>the jury struts).
>>
>>
>>
>>Jack Phillips
>>
>>NX899JP
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
>&
>>Robin Hewitt
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:40 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Lift Struts
>>
>>
>>
>><grhewitt@globaldial.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi Builders
>>
>>I would appreciate some feed back on Lift struts for Pietenpols
>>
>>
>>
>>Some plans show all four struts to be 2.68 inches X 1.44 inches with a
>>
>>wall of .049
>>
>>
>>
>>Am sure that many Cubs and similar types have the rear strut much
>>
>>smaller in section than the front
>>
>>
>>
>>And the front strut much less than 2 inches wide.
>>
>>
>>
>>Has any one considered Alloy , I believe that some Ballanca planes use
>>
>>this with fittings bolted to the ends.
>>
>>
>>
>>Your views would be appreciated
>>
>>
>>
>>Regards Graham Hewitt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_________________________________________________
>>
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>please notify the sender
>>
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>- Norsk - Portuguese
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They are bigger in cross section. I opted to use the front struts for
my Pietenpol, so used the struts from 2 different J-3's. I used the
fronts because they are bigger and stronger even though it meant cutting
off the fairlead lugs and grinding down the welds. Most people use the
rear struts for that reason. I sold the rear struts that I had (I got
the complete sets of struts from two Cubs) to Rick Holland for use on
his Piet.
If I had it to do over again, I would probably just buy new streamline
tubing and make them from scratch. New tubing is 4130 and considerably
stronger than the 1018 steel used in the J-3. Those struts are only
.035" wall also, whereas new stuff is .049". What is the saying, "The
sour taste of poor quality lasts a lot longer than the sweet taste of
low price."?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 11:11 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Lift Struts
They're not the same? I've owned that plane for 15 years and never
noticed. And I do a really long and thorough pre-flight, so it's that
much more embarrassing. I never thought about the cable leads, but now
that you mention it, you're right. When I ordered the sealed struts, I
just ordered a set, assuming it was 4x of the same thing, not thinking
it was 2x2. I had them shipped straight to my A&P, so I never saw the
invoice; just a healthy charge on a card. I stand corrected.
When you say the front struts are bigger, is that only in length, or
cross-section as well?
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
>Sent: Oct 22, 2008 10:49 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Lift Struts
>
<Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
>
>Everything Jim said is true, except that the front and rear struts are
>the same on a Cub. The front struts are bigger, and have fairlead lugs
>for the aileron cables welded to the strut.
>
>Since Cub struts are a little over 10' long and a Pietenpol strus is
>typically about 8', you can safely cut off the bottom 2' where the rust
>is and then eiather seal or oil the struts. When I cut mine, there was
>a big wad of oil goo in the bottom, but no rust.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash
>Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:44 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Lift Struts
>
>
>Please be careful if you're going to use old Cub struts.
>
>The original struts breathed, which allowed moisture into them,
>especially during temperature changes. This moisture would condense
>inside, run down, and accumulate at the bottom of the strut. The strut
>would rust from the inside-out, leaving little or no indication of a
>problem until it was structurally unsound. The AD requires the old
>struts to be punch tested at stations within a specified distance from
>the bottom and rolled with (hot) linseed oil. The rolling consequently
>requires their removal. The AD is satisfied permanently if the struts
>are replaced with sealed struts, available from Univair. The on-going
>cost and hassle of the AD has incented a lot of Cub people to just bite
>the bullet, replace their struts, and be done with it, which is what I
>did with mine maybe 6-8 years ago. This is why there is a glut of old
>Cub struts around. This is a well-known AD for the Cub, and sealed
>struts add value to a Cub when doing a pre-purchase inspection.
>
>The last time I saw mine they were in a junk pile next to the A&P's
>hangar with a number of others, but I haven't lived in the area for 6+
>years, that A&P is gone, and the airport (X55) has changed hands since
>then. I always meant to grab them and take them home, but I'd be
willing
>to wager they're gone now.
>
>Non-sealed Cub struts may certainly be used like Jack did. Cub fronts
>and backs are the same. I'll probably use some myself. But the lower
end
>should probably be hacked off and a new lower fitting welded onto the
>slightly shorter strut, if a visual inspection of the internals of the
>strut comes up relatively clean. I might also be inclined to dry them
>out somehow, roll them once, then fill in the oil filler hole,
>effectively sealing them.
>
>Jim
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
>>Sent: Oct 22, 2008 8:05 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Lift Struts
>>
>>Graham,
>>
>>
>>
>>Much of this is in the Archives, for these are common questions.
>>
>>
>>
>>Some planes have smaller rear lift struts than front lift struts.
>>However, most planes have a rear spar much smaller and further aft
than
>>the Pietenpol's rear spar. In most planes the rear spar carries less
>>than half the load of the front spar. In the Pietenpol design, the
two
>>spars are the same size and the rear spar is relatively far forward,
>>suggesting that it carries a substantial part of the wing load.
>>
>>
>>
>>As for alloy, I assume you are referring to aluminum alloy. These
have
>>been used with success in the past (interplane struts on a Stearman
are
>>aluminum) and several Piet builders are using SkyTek aluminum strut
>>material. Again, check the archives. Several Pietenpols are flying
>>with wooden struts as well.
>>
>>
>>
>>I used lift struts from a couple of J-3 Cubs (a recent AD made a LOT
of
>>Cub struts available for very little money) because they were cheap
and
>>readily available. Also, being steel, they were readily weldable to
>>incorporate the fittings to attach to the spars and the fuselage (and
>>the jury struts).
>>
>>
>>
>>Jack Phillips
>>
>>NX899JP
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
>&
>>Robin Hewitt
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:40 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Lift Struts
>>
>>
>>
>><grhewitt@globaldial.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi Builders
>>
>>I would appreciate some feed back on Lift struts for Pietenpols
>>
>>
>>
>>Some plans show all four struts to be 2.68 inches X 1.44 inches with a
>>
>>wall of .049
>>
>>
>>
>>Am sure that many Cubs and similar types have the rear strut much
>>
>>smaller in section than the front
>>
>>
>>
>>And the front strut much less than 2 inches wide.
>>
>>
>>
>>Has any one considered Alloy , I believe that some Ballanca planes use
>>
>>this with fittings bolted to the ends.
>>
>>
>>
>>Your views would be appreciated
>>
>>
>>
>>Regards Graham Hewitt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Re Lift Struts |
Cross section is bigger on the front strut as well. Not the best
picture but you can see the difference here. These are the sealed
struts with the big forks on my Cub.
-john-
John Hofmann
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On Oct 22, 2008, at 10:11 AM, Jim Ash wrote:
>
> They're not the same? I've owned that plane for 15 years and never
> noticed. And I do a really long and thorough pre-flight, so it's
> that much more embarrassing. I never thought about the cable leads,
> but now that you mention it, you're right. When I ordered the sealed
> struts, I just ordered a set, assuming it was 4x of the same thing,
> not thinking it was 2x2. I had them shipped straight to my A&P, so I
> never saw the invoice; just a healthy charge on a card. I stand
> corrected.
>
> When you say the front struts are bigger, is that only in length, or
> cross-section as well?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
>> Sent: Oct 22, 2008 10:49 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Lift Struts
>>
>> >
>>
>> Everything Jim said is true, except that the front and rear struts
>> are
>> the same on a Cub. The front struts are bigger, and have fairlead
>> lugs
>> for the aileron cables welded to the strut.
>>
>> Since Cub struts are a little over 10' long and a Pietenpol strus is
>> typically about 8', you can safely cut off the bottom 2' where the
>> rust
>> is and then eiather seal or oil the struts. When I cut mine, there
>> was
>> a big wad of oil goo in the bottom, but no rust.
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>> NX899JP
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
>> Ash
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:44 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Lift Struts
>>
>>
>> Please be careful if you're going to use old Cub struts.
>>
>> The original struts breathed, which allowed moisture into them,
>> especially during temperature changes. This moisture would condense
>> inside, run down, and accumulate at the bottom of the strut. The
>> strut
>> would rust from the inside-out, leaving little or no indication of a
>> problem until it was structurally unsound. The AD requires the old
>> struts to be punch tested at stations within a specified distance
>> from
>> the bottom and rolled with (hot) linseed oil. The rolling
>> consequently
>> requires their removal. The AD is satisfied permanently if the struts
>> are replaced with sealed struts, available from Univair. The on-going
>> cost and hassle of the AD has incented a lot of Cub people to just
>> bite
>> the bullet, replace their struts, and be done with it, which is
>> what I
>> did with mine maybe 6-8 years ago. This is why there is a glut of old
>> Cub struts around. This is a well-known AD for the Cub, and sealed
>> struts add value to a Cub when doing a pre-purchase inspection.
>>
>> The last time I saw mine they were in a junk pile next to the A&P's
>> hangar with a number of others, but I haven't lived in the area for
>> 6+
>> years, that A&P is gone, and the airport (X55) has changed hands
>> since
>> then. I always meant to grab them and take them home, but I'd be
>> willing
>> to wager they're gone now.
>>
>> Non-sealed Cub struts may certainly be used like Jack did. Cub fronts
>> and backs are the same. I'll probably use some myself. But the
>> lower end
>> should probably be hacked off and a new lower fitting welded onto the
>> slightly shorter strut, if a visual inspection of the internals of
>> the
>> strut comes up relatively clean. I might also be inclined to dry them
>> out somehow, roll them once, then fill in the oil filler hole,
>> effectively sealing them.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
>>> Sent: Oct 22, 2008 8:05 AM
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Lift Struts
>>>
>>> Graham,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Much of this is in the Archives, for these are common questions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some planes have smaller rear lift struts than front lift struts.
>>> However, most planes have a rear spar much smaller and further aft
>>> than
>>> the Pietenpol's rear spar. In most planes the rear spar carries
>>> less
>>> than half the load of the front spar. In the Pietenpol design,
>>> the two
>>> spars are the same size and the rear spar is relatively far forward,
>>> suggesting that it carries a substantial part of the wing load.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As for alloy, I assume you are referring to aluminum alloy. These
>>> have
>>> been used with success in the past (interplane struts on a
>>> Stearman are
>>> aluminum) and several Piet builders are using SkyTek aluminum strut
>>> material. Again, check the archives. Several Pietenpols are flying
>>> with wooden struts as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I used lift struts from a couple of J-3 Cubs (a recent AD made a
>>> LOT of
>>> Cub struts available for very little money) because they were
>>> cheap and
>>> readily available. Also, being steel, they were readily weldable to
>>> incorporate the fittings to attach to the spars and the fuselage
>>> (and
>>> the jury struts).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jack Phillips
>>>
>>> NX899JP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Graham
>> &
>>> Robin Hewitt
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:40 AM
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Lift Struts
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <grhewitt@globaldial.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Builders
>>>
>>> I would appreciate some feed back on Lift struts for Pietenpols
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some plans show all four struts to be 2.68 inches X 1.44 inches
>>> with a
>>>
>>> wall of .049
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am sure that many Cubs and similar types have the rear strut much
>>>
>>> smaller in section than the front
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And the front strut much less than 2 inches wide.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Has any one considered Alloy , I believe that some Ballanca planes
>>> use
>>>
>>> this with fittings bolted to the ends.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your views would be appreciated
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards Graham Hewitt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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41CC has the larger size strut on the main and the smaller one of the rear. The
bottoms are welded closed very much like the Cub picture that John posted, but
the top ends of the struts are open in order to fit the attach straps as detailed
in the plans. I'm not sure I've ever noticed any drain holes in the bottoms
of the struts but then again the top ends of the struts are under the wings
so I would not expect to ever get rain in them. And since I never wash the
airplane, there is no fear of wash water getting in them either ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College #12 |
Is camping under the wing allowed at the college? Also, is there a toilet
available? Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #12
>
>
>>From William Wynne:
>
> We've posted an update on our Web site at
>
> http://FlyCorvair.com/hangar.html with all the information for Corvair
> College #12 to be held Nov. 7-9 just
> outside Columbia, S.C.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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>
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Oscar,
Had planned to drill a small hole on lower extreme of all four struts but
that was before ole Al set in so you will have to do it. Fronts are NEW stuf
f.
Rears, only God knows.
CMC
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Corky wrote-
>Had planned to drill a small hole on lower extreme of all four struts but
>that was before ole Al set in so you will have to do it.
>Fronts are NEW stuff.
Ok, Corky- I'll take care of it but you know they say you can keep Mr. Alzheimer
at bay by keeping your mind challenged. For example of a good mental challenge,
have you ever wondered how much water an empty milk jug would displace, and
how many of them it might take to float a Piet at full gross if it were to
go down in Calcasieu Lake?
By the way, I know your eyesight is pretty fair, judging by the AARP eye chart
you sent me a while ago ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
current caretaker of Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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| Subject: | Corvair College #12 |
Gardiner asks-
>Is camping under the wing allowed at the college?
>Also, is there a toilet available?
Since the event is taking place at an airpark and being hosted by residents of
the park, I assume that there will be toilets available in their home or hangar.
I would also assume people could camp under their wing. However, you can
get that info from William Wynne if there is any doubt.
Oscar Zuniga
current caretaker of Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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Hey Corky!
-
When you having a good old brisket cookout so's I can come down and visit y
ou's southern folk. Bout time I take a trip down your way. Maybe a nice "Pi
etenpol Inexcuseable Southern Stir"..........A "PISS" flyin....
-
-
Yankee Ken
Fargo, ND-
-
--- On Wed, 10/22/08, Isablcorky@aol.com <Isablcorky@aol.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lift Struts
Oscar,
Had planned to drill a small hole on lower extreme of all four struts but t
hat was before ole Al set in so you will have to do it. Fronts are NEW stuf
f. Rears, only God knows.
CMC
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We would love to host a PISS but let's wait a couple of weeks. If Minnesota
and any other Pietenpol state falls in the Demoncratic column you yankee
b------ds can starve as far as we real Americans are concerned.
We love you Ken. David is always asking about you. I tell him I think you
are angry with us.
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Rain ain't the problem; it's condensation. If the tops of your struts are open
(and have been for years), do yourself the favor and inspect the bottoms. If they're
really open, maybe you could get a fiberscope down there for a look-see.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Oct 22, 2008 12:44 PM
>To: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lift Struts
>
>
>
>41CC has the larger size strut on the main and the smaller one of the rear. The
bottoms are welded closed very much like the Cub picture that John posted,
but the top ends of the struts are open in order to fit the attach straps as detailed
in the plans. I'm not sure I've ever noticed any drain holes in the bottoms
of the struts but then again the top ends of the struts are under the wings
so I would not expect to ever get rain in them. And since I never wash the
airplane, there is no fear of wash water getting in them either ;o)
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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How about this? The price is for 10'....
http://store.leadingedgeairfoils.com/product_info.php?products_id=6425
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Corky. I, for one, am getting tired of your beating around the bush.
Why don't you just come out and tell us what you think??
Gene in Tennessee
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----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lift Struts
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We would love to host a PISS but let's wait a couple of weeks. If
Minnesota and any other Pietenpol state falls in the Demoncratic column
you yankee b------ds can starve as far as we real Americans are
concerned.
We love you Ken. David is always asking about you. I tell him I think
you are angry with us.
CMC
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Bomber |
Jack, Wonderful story--Jim lagowski, NX221PT
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----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Bomber
Ahhh, reminds me of the days of my youth.
Back when I was 18, my Dad bought a J-3. My brother and I were going
to enter it in a flour-sack bombing contest at an airshow in Memphis, so
we asked a local farmer who had an airstrip if we could practice bombing
at his place. He said he'd rather we'd use lime than flour so it would
do his fields some good and let us go. We started practicing with
various altitudes and weren't being very successful. I decided to try
the dive-bomb approach. I took the Cub up to 1,000', chopped the
throttle to idle and stood it on its nose, watching the airspeed to keep
it out of the redline (125 mph on a Cub). I tossed the bomb out at
about 100' and pulled back on the stick. You know, it takes just about
100' to pull a Cub out of a terminal velocity dive. I pointed the nose
to the sky and gave it full throttle and it kept going down! It finally
began to climb as the tailwheel kissed the grass. I decided right then
and there that dive bombing is not my preferred technique. As he was
watching this from the saftey of the ground, my brother kept wondering
"how am I going to get home if he crashes the airplane?"
The farmer watched us practice day after day and finally said "Boys,
I've got 40 acres in watermelons. There are always a few that the crows
have pecked holes in that I can't sell. I sure would enjoy watching you
drop them."
We took the stick out of the back, and my brother flew the Cub from
the front seat while I sat in the back with a watermelon under each arm
and 3 of them on the floorbards. I made an adjustable bombsight that
proved to be pretty accurate, as long as the altitude was constant and
the wind wasn't blowing too hard. I would lean out the door and shout
instructions to him, as he maintained a constant altitude. I'd shout
"Left a bit. Steady. Steady. A little bit to the right - Bomb's Away!
We got where we could consistently hit a target the size of a car from
500'. Let me tell you, when you drop a watermelon 500' it digs a crater
about 6' in daimeter and a foot deep and just fills it with mud. It
throws a shower of mud and dirt about 30' in the air. Spectacular!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad
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Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 2:36 PM
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Bomber
Hello guys, we had a blast this past saturday with a little
airport hanger party/fly-in. We were going to have a spot landing
competition, and bomb drop, but just did the bombdrop. It was windy and
a little bit cold but we still had fun. A friend of mine I work with
came by in time for his 1st ride in the piet, little did he know he was
getting drafted into the Pietenpol Airforce. He was my bombbardier.
Water balloons were the ordenance, and a blue barrel the target. That
is the 1st time I have tried that, we did one low torpedo type run, and
a 900ft high, B-29 style approach. Of course the B-29's bombsight was
waaaaay off. Earl, with his blue Stinson 108 actually hit the barrel,
with his girlfriend as his bombadier, and the Eckles boys in the cub got
close with the "stuka" dive bomb aproach. Next year I will try to plan
a little better and get a few more invites out so we can have team
bombdrop, Piets vs ???? (I bet RV's would have a heck of a time
throwing stuff out.)
Safe building and water bombing,
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