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0. 11:22 PM - Reminder (Matt Dralle)
1. 04:33 AM - Wing print and center section (Michael Perez)
2. 06:02 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Ryan Mueller)
3. 06:27 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Michael Perez)
4. 06:52 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Ryan Mueller)
5. 07:19 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Ryan Mueller)
6. 07:25 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Michael Perez)
7. 07:28 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Phillips, Jack)
8. 07:32 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Michael Perez)
9. 07:40 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Michael Perez)
10. 08:05 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Ryan Mueller)
11. 08:26 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Michael Perez)
12. 08:27 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Catdesigns)
13. 08:30 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Catdesigns)
14. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: Wing print and center section (Michael Perez)
15. 08:44 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Catdesigns)
16. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: Wing print and center section (Michael Perez)
17. 11:09 AM - Valparasio, Indiana (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
18. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: Piet - GN! differences (Tim Willis)
19. 06:17 PM - Re: Assembling hydraulic hoses (ThisOne)
20. 06:36 PM - Re: Re: Piet - GN! differences (H RULE)
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Subject: | Wing print and center section |
I am confused with the way I see the original wing print and the newer 3 pi
ece supplement print. On the original, the full left wing looks to have 14
ribs, right up until you get to the middle of the wing, where the new cente
r section would be. These ribs are spaced about 11"-12" apart. On the new c
enter section print, it shows part of the left wing with a rib 4-1/2" away
from the end rib near the center section. My questions are:
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Do you add this "new" rib between the existing ribs shown 11"-12" apart?
Do you add this "new" rib on the end of the existing ribs? (making the wing
longer)
Do you take the original rib count and space them where needed on the new w
ing so that the cables and the like clear and not worry about the 11", 12"
or 4-1/2" spacing?
How many total ribs are used on each wing section with the 3 piece design?
-
I wonder why that new rib at 4-1/2" is shown...I would hate to omit a neede
d reinforcement.
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Subject: | Re: Wing print and center section |
Michael,
I believe what you are seeing is a tail rib, and it is actually being shown
in the center section (not the left wing). The large "rear view - full size"
drawing at the top of the print shows the center section to right wing
connection. Under the rib you are wondering about it notates "tail rib
location". If you look at the overhead view of the center section in bottom
right corner of the sheet you can see the two tail ribs going from the rear
spar to the trailing edge.
That is how it reads to me....
Ryan
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> I am confused with the way I see the original wing print and the newer 3
> piece supplement print. On the original, the full left wing looks to have 14
> ribs, right up until you get to the middle of the wing, where the new center
> section would be. These ribs are spaced about 11"-12" apart. On the new
> center section print, it shows part of the left wing with a rib 4-1/2" away
> from the end rib near the center section. My questions are:
>
> Do you add this "new" rib between the existing ribs shown 11"-12" apart?
> Do you add this "new" rib on the end of the existing ribs? (making the wing
> longer)
> Do you take the original rib count and space them where needed on the new
> wing so that the cables and the like clear and not worry about the 11", 12"
> or 4-1/2" spacing?
> How many total ribs are used on each wing section with the 3 piece design?
>
> I wonder why that new rib at 4-1/2" is shown...I would hate to omit a
> needed reinforcement.
>
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Subject: | Re: Wing print and center section |
No, that's not it. That center section view on the bottom rightof the print, on
the left of the center section itself, the left wing has the end rib, then inboard
of that at, I believe, 4-1/2" is another rib. I do not have the prints with
me now, but that is what I remember seeing.
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Subject: | Re: Wing print and center section |
Michael,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmueller23/3007383963/sizes/o/
Red circle surrounds the aft portion of the end rib on the left side of the
center section. To the left of that would be the end rib of the left wing
panel. Blue circle surrounds the tail rib in the left side of the center
section. Is that what you are talking about?
Ryan
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> No, that's not it. That center section view on the bottom rightof the
> print, on the left of the center section itself, the left wing has the end
> rib, then inboard of that at, I believe, 4-1/2" is another rib. I do not
> have the prints with me now, but that is what I remember seeing.
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Subject: | Re: Wing print and center section |
Insofar as the rib spacing goes, it appears on the one piece wing that the
spacing indicated is "on center" for the ribs. If you add the spacing up
from the center of the wing to the tip (excluding the 1" wing tip bow) you
arrive at 14" 5', which jives with the length shown for the spar. Therefore
the actual spacing between the ribs would be 1/2" less than the on center
spacing shown (per 1/2" wide capstrips). Does that sound reasonable?
Here's my conclusion on rib count. If you look at the "rear view - full
size" print at the top of the sheet, you can see it shows 14 1/2" from the
center of the nose rib to the end of the center section spar. Then there is
1/2" from end of the wing spar to the end of the wing panel butt rib. An
additional 1/4" would get us to the center of the wing panel butt rib.
Therefore: center of the nose rib to the center of the wing panel butt rib
should equal 15 1/4".
Based on what I can see on the overhead view of the center section it is 8
1/4" from the center of the wing panel butt rib to the next rib. Adding 15
1/4" to 8 1/4" arrives at 23 1/2". This is the same spacing as shown on the
one piece wing from the center of the nose rib to the second rib from the
center (12 1/2" + 11").
Since we have a common point of reference between the two types of wings, we
can therefore count up the ribs. We should have 14 ribs in each wing panel;
two wings means 28 ribs. There are 2 full size ribs in the center section,
bringing the count to 30. Then you have the three partials, one nose rib and
two tail ribs.
Can someone check my math please? I haven't had breakfast yet, so no
guarantees.... :P
Ryan
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> I am confused with the way I see the original wing print and the newer 3
> piece supplement print. On the original, the full left wing looks to have 14
> ribs, right up until you get to the middle of the wing, where the new center
> section would be. These ribs are spaced about 11"-12" apart. On the new
> center section print, it shows part of the left wing with a rib 4-1/2" away
> from the end rib near the center section. My questions are:
>
> Do you add this "new" rib between the existing ribs shown 11"-12" apart?
> Do you add this "new" rib on the end of the existing ribs? (making the wing
> longer)
> Do you take the original rib count and space them where needed on the new
> wing so that the cables and the like clear and not worry about the 11", 12"
> or 4-1/2" spacing?
> How many total ribs are used on each wing section with the 3 piece design?
>
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Subject: | Re: Wing print and center section |
Outstanding!
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OK, the-red-circle is the C.S. end rib. To the left of that, is the win
g end rib. 8-1/4" next to that is the rib in question. If you go back to my
original question, with this new info., can you answer the questions? Than
ks. Pictures speak a 1,000,000,000....words.
--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section
Michael,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmueller23/3007383963/sizes/o/
Red circle surrounds the aft portion of the end rib on the left side of the
center section. To the left of that would be the end rib of the left wing
panel. Blue circle surrounds the tail rib in the left side of the center se
ction. Is that what you are talking about?
Ryan
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wr
ote:
No, that's not it. That center section view on the bottom rightof the print
, on the left of the center section itself, the left wing has the end rib,
then inboard of that at, I believe, 4-1/2" is another rib. I do not have th
e prints with me now, but that is what I remember seeing.
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Subject: | Wing print and center section |
Seems to fit with what I recall. I know I built 30 full size ribs, plus
one "Wall Hanger", because I remember being able to build one rib a
night, and it took exactly one month (and it wasn't February)
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section
Insofar as the rib spacing goes, it appears on the one piece wing that
the spacing indicated is "on center" for the ribs. If you add the
spacing up from the center of the wing to the tip (excluding the 1" wing
tip bow) you arrive at 14" 5', which jives with the length shown for the
spar. Therefore the actual spacing between the ribs would be 1/2" less
than the on center spacing shown (per 1/2" wide capstrips). Does that
sound reasonable?
Here's my conclusion on rib count. If you look at the "rear view - full
size" print at the top of the sheet, you can see it shows 14 1/2" from
the center of the nose rib to the end of the center section spar. Then
there is 1/2" from end of the wing spar to the end of the wing panel
butt rib. An additional 1/4" would get us to the center of the wing
panel butt rib. Therefore: center of the nose rib to the center of the
wing panel butt rib should equal 15 1/4".
Based on what I can see on the overhead view of the center section it is
8 1/4" from the center of the wing panel butt rib to the next rib.
Adding 15 1/4" to 8 1/4" arrives at 23 1/2". This is the same spacing as
shown on the one piece wing from the center of the nose rib to the
second rib from the center (12 1/2" + 11").
Since we have a common point of reference between the two types of
wings, we can therefore count up the ribs. We should have 14 ribs in
each wing panel; two wings means 28 ribs. There are 2 full size ribs in
the center section, bringing the count to 30. Then you have the three
partials, one nose rib and two tail ribs.
Can someone check my math please? I haven't had breakfast yet, so no
guarantees.... :P
Ryan
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
I am confused with the way I see the original wing print and the newer 3
piece supplement print. On the original, the full left wing looks to
have 14 ribs, right up until you get to the middle of the wing, where
the new center section would be. These ribs are spaced about 11"-12"
apart. On the new center section print, it shows part of the left wing
with a rib 4-1/2" away from the end rib near the center section. My
questions are:
Do you add this "new" rib between the existing ribs shown 11"-12" apart?
Do you add this "new" rib on the end of the existing ribs? (making the
wing longer)
Do you take the original rib count and space them where needed on the
new wing so that the cables and the like clear and not worry about the
11", 12" or 4-1/2" spacing?
How many total ribs are used on each wing section with the 3 piece
design?
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Subject: | Re: Wing print and center section |
I see that my wording was incorrect below. Using that same C.S. view, you h
ave the left wing end rib, then OUTBOARD of that, towards the wing tip, is
another rib shown at 8.25". That rib does NOT show on the original wing pri
nt with the whole left wing shown-with the 11"-12" spacing.- Again, wit
h this new info, I am wondering about the original questions asked.
--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section
Michael,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmueller23/3007383963/sizes/o/
Red circle surrounds the aft portion of the end rib on the left side of the
center section. To the left of that would be the end rib of the left wing
panel. Blue circle surrounds the tail rib in the left side of the center se
ction. Is that what you are talking about?
Ryan
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wr
ote:
No, that's not it. That center section view on the bottom rightof the print
, on the left of the center section itself, the left wing has the end rib,
then inboard of that at, I believe, 4-1/2" is another rib. I do not have th
e prints with me now, but that is what I remember seeing.
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Subject: | Re: Wing print and center section |
The 3 piece wing spars are shown at 13'-2.5" and you have the 29" center se
ction. That C.S. drawing shows the rib in question as mentioned. With no ri
b spacing/numbers given, how many ribs per wing and how does that "new" rib
fit in?
--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section
Insofar as the rib spacing goes, it appears on the one piece wing that the
spacing indicated is "on center" for the ribs. If you add the spacing up fr
om the center of the wing to the tip (excluding the 1" wing tip bow) you ar
rive at 14" 5', which jives with the length shown for the spar. Therefore t
he actual spacing between the ribs would be 1/2" less than the on center sp
acing shown (per 1/2" wide capstrips). Does that sound reasonable?
Here's my conclusion on rib count. If you look at the "rear view - full siz
e" print at the top of the sheet, you can see it shows 14 1/2" from the cen
ter of the nose rib to the end of the center section spar. Then there is 1/
2" from end of the wing spar to the end of the wing panel butt rib. An addi
tional 1/4" would get us to the center of the wing panel butt rib. Therefor
e: center of the nose rib to the center of the wing panel butt rib should e
qual 15 1/4".
Based on what I can see on the overhead view of the center section it is 8
1/4" from the center of the wing panel butt rib to the next rib. Adding 15
1/4" to 8 1/4" arrives at 23 1/2". This is the same spacing as shown on the
one piece wing from the center of the nose rib to the second rib from the
center (12 1/2" + 11").
Since we have a common point of reference between the two types of wings, w
e can therefore count up the ribs. We should have 14 ribs in each wing pane
l; two wings means 28 ribs. There are 2 full size ribs in the center sectio
n, bringing the count to 30. Then you have the three partials, one nose rib
and two tail ribs.
Can someone check my math please? I haven't had breakfast yet, so no guaran
tees.... - :P
Ryan
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wr
ote:
I am confused with the way I see the original wing print and the newer 3 pi
ece supplement print. On the original, the full left wing looks to have 14
ribs, right up until you get to the middle of the wing, where the new cente
r section would be. These ribs are spaced about 11"-12" apart. On the new c
enter section print, it shows part of the left wing with a rib 4-1/2" away
from the end rib near the center section. My questions are:
-
Do you add this "new" rib between the existing ribs shown 11"-12" apart?
Do you add this "new" rib on the end of the existing ribs? (making the wing
longer)
Do you take the original rib count and space them where needed on the new w
ing so that the cables and the like clear and not worry about the 11", 12"
or 4-1/2" spacing?
How many total ribs are used on each wing section with the 3 piece design?
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Subject: | Re: Wing print and center section |
>From the center of the nose rib (i.e. center of the wing) to the left end of
the center section spar would be 14 1/2". Add that to the 13' 2 1/2" length
of the wing spar and you have 14' 5". This is same length as the distance
from the center of the nose rib to the end of the spar of the one piece
wing.
For the purpose of visualizing how to space the ribs, consider the circled
ribs to be the same rib:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmueller23/3007515273/sizes/l/
>From that rib going outboard your ribs on the three piece wing would be
spaced the same as the ribs on the one piece wing. From that rib going
inboard you reference the three piece wing drawing.
Does that help?
Ryan
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> The 3 piece wing spars are shown at 13'-2.5" and you have the 29" center
> section. That C.S. drawing shows the rib in question as mentioned. With no
> rib spacing/numbers given, how many ribs per wing and how does that "new"
> rib fit in?
>
> --- On *Thu, 11/6/08, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 10:15 AM
>
> Insofar as the rib spacing goes, it appears on the one piece wing that the
> spacing indicated is "on center" for the ribs. If you add the spacing up
> from the center of the wing to the tip (excluding the 1" wing tip bow) you
> arrive at 14" 5', which jives with the length shown for the spar. Therefore
> the actual spacing between the ribs would be 1/2" less than the on center
> spacing shown (per 1/2" wide capstrips). Does that sound reasonable?
>
> Here's my conclusion on rib count. If you look at the "rear view - full
> size" print at the top of the sheet, you can see it shows 14 1/2" from the
> center of the nose rib to the end of the center section spar. Then there is
> 1/2" from end of the wing spar to the end of the wing panel butt rib. An
> additional 1/4" would get us to the center of the wing panel butt rib.
> Therefore: center of the nose rib to the center of the wing panel butt rib
> should equal 15 1/4".
>
> Based on what I can see on the overhead view of the center section it is 8
> 1/4" from the center of the wing panel butt rib to the next rib. Adding 15
> 1/4" to 8 1/4" arrives at 23 1/2". This is the same spacing as shown on the
> one piece wing from the center of the nose rib to the second rib from the
> center (12 1/2" + 11").
>
> Since we have a common point of reference between the two types of wings,
> we can therefore count up the ribs. We should have 14 ribs in each wing
> panel; two wings means 28 ribs. There are 2 full size ribs in the center
> section, bringing the count to 30. Then you have the three partials, one
> nose rib and two tail ribs.
>
> Can someone check my math please? I haven't had breakfast yet, so no
> guarantees.... :P
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
>> I am confused with the way I see the original wing print and the newer
>> 3 piece supplement print. On the original, the full left wing looks to have
>> 14 ribs, right up until you get to the middle of the wing, where the new
>> center section would be. These ribs are spaced about 11"-12" apart. On the
>> new center section print, it shows part of the left wing with a rib 4-1/2"
>> away from the end rib near the center section. My questions are:
>>
>> Do you add this "new" rib between the existing ribs shown 11"-12" apart?
>> Do you add this "new" rib on the end of the existing ribs? (making the
>> wing longer)
>> Do you take the original rib count and space them where needed on the new
>> wing so that the cables and the like clear and not worry about the 11", 12"
>> or 4-1/2" spacing?
>> How many total ribs are used on each wing section with the 3 piece design?
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Wing print and center section |
Yes, that is more or less what I was wondering. I have talked with Mike Cuy
and he still has his original hand drawings he figured out back in the day
. Between his info., yours and another good look at the prints when I get h
ome, I can sleep tonight.
-
Thanks for the help. The addition of the pics were great!
--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section
>From the center of the nose rib (i.e. center of the wing) to the left end
of the center section spar would be 14 1/2". Add that to the 13' 2 1/2" len
gth of the wing spar and you have 14' 5". This is same length as the distan
ce from the center of the nose rib to the end of the spar of the one piece
wing.
For the purpose of visualizing how to space the ribs, consider the circled
ribs to be the same rib:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmueller23/3007515273/sizes/l/
>From that rib going outboard your ribs on the three piece wing would be spa
ced the same as the ribs on the one piece wing. From that rib going inboard
you reference the three piece wing drawing.
Does that help?
Ryan
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wr
ote:
The 3 piece wing spars are shown at 13'-2.5" and you have the 29" center se
ction. That C.S. drawing shows the rib in question as mentioned. With no ri
b spacing/numbers given, how many ribs per wing and how does that "new" rib
fit in?
--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section
Insofar as the rib spacing goes, it appears on the one piece wing that the
spacing indicated is "on center" for the ribs. If you add the spacing up fr
om the center of the wing to the tip (excluding the 1" wing tip bow) you ar
rive at 14" 5', which jives with the length shown for the spar. Therefore t
he actual spacing between the ribs would be 1/2" less than the on center sp
acing shown (per 1/2" wide capstrips). Does that sound reasonable?
Here's my conclusion on rib count. If you look at the "rear view - full siz
e" print at the top of the sheet, you can see it shows 14 1/2" from the cen
ter of the nose rib to the end of the center section spar. Then there is 1/
2" from end of the wing spar to the end of the wing panel butt rib. An addi
tional 1/4" would get us to the center of the wing panel butt rib. Therefor
e: center of the nose rib to the center of the wing panel butt rib should e
qual 15 1/4".
Based on what I can see on the overhead view of the center section it is 8
1/4" from the center of the wing panel butt rib to the next rib. Adding 15
1/4" to 8 1/4" arrives at 23 1/2". This is the same spacing as shown on the
one piece wing from the center of the nose rib to the second rib from the
center (12 1/2" + 11").
Since we have a common point of reference between the two types of wings, w
e can therefore count up the ribs. We should have 14 ribs in each wing pane
l; two wings means 28 ribs. There are 2 full size ribs in the center sectio
n, bringing the count to 30. Then you have the three partials, one nose rib
and two tail ribs.
Can someone check my math please? I haven't had breakfast yet, so no guaran
tees.... - :P
Ryan
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wr
ote:
I am confused with the way I see the original wing print and the newer 3 pi
ece supplement print. On the original, the full left wing looks to have 14
ribs, right up until you get to the middle of the wing, where the new cente
r section would be. These ribs are spaced about 11"-12" apart. On the new c
enter section print, it shows part of the left wing with a rib 4-1/2" away
from the end rib near the center section. My questions are:
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Do you add this "new" rib between the existing ribs shown 11"-12" apart?
Do you add this "new" rib on the end of the existing ribs? (making the wing
longer)
Do you take the original rib count and space them where needed on the new w
ing so that the cables and the like clear and not worry about the 11", 12"
or 4-1/2" spacing?
How many total ribs are used on each wing section with the 3 piece design?
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Subject: | Re: Wing print and center section |
Ryan,
take a look at the attached scan of the plans. All you do is add a new rib in
the first 11-inch rib spacing (see picture). You will need 30 ribs plus one for
the wall.
Chris
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Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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Subject: | Re: Wing print and center section |
Oops! Sorry Ryan, I see your not the one who asked.
Chris
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Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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Subject: | Re: Wing print and center section |
This is the conclusion I came up with as well. That "new" rib is inaddition to
the "originals".
--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Catdesigns <Catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
From: Catdesigns <Catdesigns@att.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing print and center section
<Catdesigns@att.net>
Oops! Sorry Ryan, I see your not the one who asked.
Chris
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Sacramento, CA
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Subject: | Re: Wing print and center section |
After re reading your original message let me be more specific.
Q: Do you add this "new" rib between the existing ribs shown 11"-12" apart?
A: See picture in my previously attached photo and you will see a new rib added
between the first 11-inch rib spacing out from the center of the wing.
Q: Do you add this "new" rib on the end of the existing ribs? (making the wing
longer)
A: No.
Q: Do you take the original rib count and space them where needed on the new wing
so that the cables and the like clear and not worry about the 11", 12" or 4-1/2"
spacing?
A: No. You will want to slightly adjust the rib spacing else where to clear fittings
and wires.
Q: How many total ribs are used on each wing section with the 3 piece design?
A: 30
Q: I wonder why that new rib at 4-1/2" is shown...I would hate to omit a needed
reinforcement.
A: This has 4-1/2" measurement has me confused me confused. I don't see it on
the plans. Perhaps you meant the 8-1/4" measurement on the bottom of the drawing?
Chris
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Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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Subject: | Re: Wing print and center section |
yes to the 4.5"/8.25" measurement. I was going from (bad) memory.
--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Catdesigns <Catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
From: Catdesigns <Catdesigns@att.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing print and center section
<Catdesigns@att.net>
After re reading your original message let me be more specific.
Q: Do you add this "new" rib between the existing ribs shown
11"-12" apart?
A: See picture in my previously attached photo and you will see a new rib added
between the first 11-inch rib spacing out from the center of the wing.
Q: Do you add this "new" rib on the end of the existing ribs? (making
the wing longer)
A: No.
Q: Do you take the original rib count and space them where needed on the new
wing so that the cables and the like clear and not worry about the 11",
12" or 4-1/2" spacing?
A: No. You will want to slightly adjust the rib spacing else where to clear
fittings and wires.
Q: How many total ribs are used on each wing section with the 3 piece design?
A: 30
Q: I wonder why that new rib at 4-1/2" is shown...I would hate to omit a
needed reinforcement.
A: This has 4-1/2" measurement has me confused me confused. I don't
see it on the plans. Perhaps you meant the 8-1/4" measurement on the
bottom of the drawing?
Chris
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Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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Subject: | Valparasio, Indiana |
That is a GREAT stop to and from Wisconsin from Ohio or anywhere east of
Valparaiso. Great EAA chapter like Jack said serving a very
reasonable and good lunch under tents setup nearby the FBO. One year
it started to rain and a gent directed me to his personal hangar
so the Piet wouldn't get wet. He had a King Air and a British Vampire
or some vintage jet in there. Richard S. is there and another gent
named Jim who is building a Piet as well. Good group of people. Jim
Reed has a fantastic warbird collection to include pristine examples
of a Corsair, Mustang, T-28 and more.
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Subject: | Re: Piet - GN! differences |
Harvey,
Another poster was qauoting the old Grega site. They claimed more room. I don't
know.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
>Sent: Nov 5, 2008 3:29 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet - GN! differences
>
>I fly a GN-1 Aircamper and if you say that the wing was modified to allow easy
access for the front passenger then I say it is still easier for a midget to
get in than a full grown person and I can't imagine how tough it must have been
for the Pietenpol.They must have crawled in somehow!They must have been smaller
than midgets.If I could and I won't ;I wouldn't put a passenger in my front
seat.Too dangerous.
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 12:02:56 PM
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet - GN! differences
>
>
>Reaction to the claims. First the claims.
>
>Q: What is the difference between the GN-1 Aircamper and the the original Pietenpol
Aircamper?
>
>A: Here's what's different between the GN-1 Aircamper and the Pietenpol Aircamper:
>Modified the structure to accept Piper, Aeronca and early Cessna wing panels.
>Modified the airfoil leading edge from the front spar forward to give better stall
characteristics.
>Relocated the CG to acceptable limits.
>Redesigned fuselage structure to accept flat-four aircraft engines, 65 to 85 hp.
>Redesigned entire structure to accept Piper landing gear and Piper firewall forward,
which in the fifties were in plentiful supply new and used. If not available
today, no problem, these can be fabricated, plans show how.
>Designed a steel tube, welded fuselage structure. The plans show both wood and
steel tube fuselages.
>Raised the wing position to allow easier entry and exit for both pilot and passenger.
>===========================
>My reaction:
>
>The plans that Don Pietenpol sells today offer some of these same items, e.g.:
>
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Subject: | Re: Assembling hydraulic hoses |
[quote="Woodflier(at)aol.com"]I've been trying all night to screw the nipple from
the Aeroquip 491 fitting onto the cut end of some Aeroquip 303 hose to make
up brake hoses. Can't seem to get the hose to screw all the way into the fitting.
Any tips or tricks on how to get this on. My fingers are raw from pushing
and twisting the hose. Tried recutting the hose several times for a clean
start - no luck.
Matt Paxton
Matt,
On hose assemblies here we first ream out the line (a punch works fine here), and
then apply a lite oil to the nipple and threads (male) and also again on the
female portion as well.
I hope that this help
Regards,
Brett
Bonaco, Inc.
> [b]
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Subject: | Re: Piet - GN! differences |
I have tried unsuccessfully to get into my front seat.I am 5'3" and it is v
ery ,very difficult.The crossed rods on the-right side make it very hard
to put your arms and torso through in order to get the body far enough over
for the left leg and foot to get in.-I have a battery and battery box bo
lted to the front seat now anyway and there are only rudder peddles up ther
e so I don't fly passengers anyway.I could move the battery to the floor an
d put a control stick in there but there are not many pilots around my fiel
d that can fit in the rear seat let alone the front seat even if I wanted t
o.I laugh at guys who say "oh ya I can get into that";then they try and the
y find out mighty fast that it's only for a runt like me.That's the way it
was built.Even for me there isn't a whole lot of room in that rear cockpit.
-I didn't build it and I was surprised after I bought it just how small i
t is.Before I put in a lift door;modifying the mid section wing with
hinges etc.,I had to do the limbo to get in.If a taller person was to buy
it they would have to move the rudder peddles and perhaps cut some wood.=0A
=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Tim Willis <timothywillis@eart
hlink.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, November 6,
2008 6:03:28 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet - GN! differences
link.net>=0A=0AHarvey,=0A=0AAnother poster was qauoting the old Grega site.
- They claimed more room.- I don't know.=0A=0ATim in central TX=0A=0A--
---Original Message-----=0A>From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>=0A>Sent:
Nov 5, 2008 3:29 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pie
tenpol-List: Re: Piet - GN! differences=0A>=0A>I fly a GN-1 Aircamper and i
f you say that the wing was modified to allow easy access for the front pas
senger then I say it is still easier for a midget to get in than a full gro
wn person and I can't imagine how tough it must have been for the Pietenpol
.They must have crawled in somehow!They must have been smaller than midgets
.If I could and I won't ;I wouldn't put a passenger in my front seat.Too da
ngerous.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>----- Original Message ----=0A>From: Tim Willis <ti
mothywillis@earthlink.net>=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Sent: Wed
nesday, November 5, 2008 12:02:56 PM=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pi
s <timothywillis@earthlink.net>=0A>=0A>Reaction to the claims.- First the
claims.=0A>=0A>Q: What is the difference between the GN-1 Aircamper and th
e the original Pietenpol Aircamper? =0A>=0A>A: Here's what's different betw
een the GN-1 Aircamper and the Pietenpol Aircamper: =0A>Modified the struct
ure to accept Piper, Aeronca and early Cessna wing panels. =0A>Modified the
airfoil leading edge from the front spar forward to give better stall char
acteristics. =0A>Relocated the CG to acceptable limits. =0A>Redesigned fuse
lage structure to accept flat-four aircraft engines, 65 to 85 hp. =0A>Redes
igned entire structure to accept Piper landing gear and Piper firewall forw
ard, which in the fifties were in plentiful supply new and used. If not ava
ilable today, no problem, these can be fabricated, plans show how. =0A>Desi
gned a steel tube, welded fuselage structure. The plans show both wood and
steel tube fuselages. =0A>Raised the wing position to allow easier entry an
d exit for both pilot and passenger. =0A>===========
==================0A>My reaction:=0A>=0A>
The plans that Don Pietenpol sells today offer some of these same items, e.
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