---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/06/08: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 11:22 PM - Reminder (Matt Dralle) 1. 04:33 AM - Wing print and center section (Michael Perez) 2. 06:02 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Ryan Mueller) 3. 06:27 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Michael Perez) 4. 06:52 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Ryan Mueller) 5. 07:19 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Ryan Mueller) 6. 07:25 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Michael Perez) 7. 07:28 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Phillips, Jack) 8. 07:32 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Michael Perez) 9. 07:40 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Michael Perez) 10. 08:05 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Ryan Mueller) 11. 08:26 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Michael Perez) 12. 08:27 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Catdesigns) 13. 08:30 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Catdesigns) 14. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: Wing print and center section (Michael Perez) 15. 08:44 AM - Re: Wing print and center section (Catdesigns) 16. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: Wing print and center section (Michael Perez) 17. 11:09 AM - Valparasio, Indiana (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 18. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: Piet - GN! differences (Tim Willis) 19. 06:17 PM - Re: Assembling hydraulic hoses (ThisOne) 20. 06:36 PM - Re: Re: Piet - GN! differences (H RULE) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:29 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Reminder Dear Listers, Just a quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided for my your Contributions during this time of the year. Your personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free. Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:57 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section I am confused with the way I see the original wing print and the newer 3 pi ece supplement print. On the original, the full left wing looks to have 14 ribs, right up until you get to the middle of the wing, where the new cente r section would be. These ribs are spaced about 11"-12" apart. On the new c enter section print, it shows part of the left wing with a rib 4-1/2" away from the end rib near the center section. My questions are: - Do you add this "new" rib between the existing ribs shown 11"-12" apart? Do you add this "new" rib on the end of the existing ribs? (making the wing longer) Do you take the original rib count and space them where needed on the new w ing so that the cables and the like clear and not worry about the 11", 12" or 4-1/2" spacing? How many total ribs are used on each wing section with the 3 piece design? - I wonder why that new rib at 4-1/2" is shown...I would hate to omit a neede d reinforcement. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:56 AM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section Michael, I believe what you are seeing is a tail rib, and it is actually being shown in the center section (not the left wing). The large "rear view - full size" drawing at the top of the print shows the center section to right wing connection. Under the rib you are wondering about it notates "tail rib location". If you look at the overhead view of the center section in bottom right corner of the sheet you can see the two tail ribs going from the rear spar to the trailing edge. That is how it reads to me.... Ryan On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > I am confused with the way I see the original wing print and the newer 3 > piece supplement print. On the original, the full left wing looks to have 14 > ribs, right up until you get to the middle of the wing, where the new center > section would be. These ribs are spaced about 11"-12" apart. On the new > center section print, it shows part of the left wing with a rib 4-1/2" away > from the end rib near the center section. My questions are: > > Do you add this "new" rib between the existing ribs shown 11"-12" apart? > Do you add this "new" rib on the end of the existing ribs? (making the wing > longer) > Do you take the original rib count and space them where needed on the new > wing so that the cables and the like clear and not worry about the 11", 12" > or 4-1/2" spacing? > How many total ribs are used on each wing section with the 3 piece design? > > I wonder why that new rib at 4-1/2" is shown...I would hate to omit a > needed reinforcement. > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:00 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section No, that's not it. That center section view on the bottom rightof the print, on the left of the center section itself, the left wing has the end rib, then inboard of that at, I believe, 4-1/2" is another rib. I do not have the prints with me now, but that is what I remember seeing. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:21 AM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section Michael, http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmueller23/3007383963/sizes/o/ Red circle surrounds the aft portion of the end rib on the left side of the center section. To the left of that would be the end rib of the left wing panel. Blue circle surrounds the tail rib in the left side of the center section. Is that what you are talking about? Ryan On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > No, that's not it. That center section view on the bottom rightof the > print, on the left of the center section itself, the left wing has the end > rib, then inboard of that at, I believe, 4-1/2" is another rib. I do not > have the prints with me now, but that is what I remember seeing. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:52 AM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section Insofar as the rib spacing goes, it appears on the one piece wing that the spacing indicated is "on center" for the ribs. If you add the spacing up from the center of the wing to the tip (excluding the 1" wing tip bow) you arrive at 14" 5', which jives with the length shown for the spar. Therefore the actual spacing between the ribs would be 1/2" less than the on center spacing shown (per 1/2" wide capstrips). Does that sound reasonable? Here's my conclusion on rib count. If you look at the "rear view - full size" print at the top of the sheet, you can see it shows 14 1/2" from the center of the nose rib to the end of the center section spar. Then there is 1/2" from end of the wing spar to the end of the wing panel butt rib. An additional 1/4" would get us to the center of the wing panel butt rib. Therefore: center of the nose rib to the center of the wing panel butt rib should equal 15 1/4". Based on what I can see on the overhead view of the center section it is 8 1/4" from the center of the wing panel butt rib to the next rib. Adding 15 1/4" to 8 1/4" arrives at 23 1/2". This is the same spacing as shown on the one piece wing from the center of the nose rib to the second rib from the center (12 1/2" + 11"). Since we have a common point of reference between the two types of wings, we can therefore count up the ribs. We should have 14 ribs in each wing panel; two wings means 28 ribs. There are 2 full size ribs in the center section, bringing the count to 30. Then you have the three partials, one nose rib and two tail ribs. Can someone check my math please? I haven't had breakfast yet, so no guarantees.... :P Ryan On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > I am confused with the way I see the original wing print and the newer 3 > piece supplement print. On the original, the full left wing looks to have 14 > ribs, right up until you get to the middle of the wing, where the new center > section would be. These ribs are spaced about 11"-12" apart. On the new > center section print, it shows part of the left wing with a rib 4-1/2" away > from the end rib near the center section. My questions are: > > Do you add this "new" rib between the existing ribs shown 11"-12" apart? > Do you add this "new" rib on the end of the existing ribs? (making the wing > longer) > Do you take the original rib count and space them where needed on the new > wing so that the cables and the like clear and not worry about the 11", 12" > or 4-1/2" spacing? > How many total ribs are used on each wing section with the 3 piece design? > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:47 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section Outstanding! - OK, the-red-circle is the C.S. end rib. To the left of that, is the win g end rib. 8-1/4" next to that is the rib in question. If you go back to my original question, with this new info., can you answer the questions? Than ks. Pictures speak a 1,000,000,000....words. --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Ryan Mueller wrote: From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section Michael, http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmueller23/3007383963/sizes/o/ Red circle surrounds the aft portion of the end rib on the left side of the center section. To the left of that would be the end rib of the left wing panel. Blue circle surrounds the tail rib in the left side of the center se ction. Is that what you are talking about? Ryan On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Michael Perez wr ote: No, that's not it. That center section view on the bottom rightof the print , on the left of the center section itself, the left wing has the end rib, then inboard of that at, I believe, 4-1/2" is another rib. I do not have th e prints with me now, but that is what I remember seeing. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:32 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section From: "Phillips, Jack" Seems to fit with what I recall. I know I built 30 full size ribs, plus one "Wall Hanger", because I remember being able to build one rib a night, and it took exactly one month (and it wasn't February) Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section Insofar as the rib spacing goes, it appears on the one piece wing that the spacing indicated is "on center" for the ribs. If you add the spacing up from the center of the wing to the tip (excluding the 1" wing tip bow) you arrive at 14" 5', which jives with the length shown for the spar. Therefore the actual spacing between the ribs would be 1/2" less than the on center spacing shown (per 1/2" wide capstrips). Does that sound reasonable? Here's my conclusion on rib count. If you look at the "rear view - full size" print at the top of the sheet, you can see it shows 14 1/2" from the center of the nose rib to the end of the center section spar. Then there is 1/2" from end of the wing spar to the end of the wing panel butt rib. An additional 1/4" would get us to the center of the wing panel butt rib. Therefore: center of the nose rib to the center of the wing panel butt rib should equal 15 1/4". Based on what I can see on the overhead view of the center section it is 8 1/4" from the center of the wing panel butt rib to the next rib. Adding 15 1/4" to 8 1/4" arrives at 23 1/2". This is the same spacing as shown on the one piece wing from the center of the nose rib to the second rib from the center (12 1/2" + 11"). Since we have a common point of reference between the two types of wings, we can therefore count up the ribs. We should have 14 ribs in each wing panel; two wings means 28 ribs. There are 2 full size ribs in the center section, bringing the count to 30. Then you have the three partials, one nose rib and two tail ribs. Can someone check my math please? I haven't had breakfast yet, so no guarantees.... :P Ryan On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Michael Perez wrote: I am confused with the way I see the original wing print and the newer 3 piece supplement print. On the original, the full left wing looks to have 14 ribs, right up until you get to the middle of the wing, where the new center section would be. These ribs are spaced about 11"-12" apart. On the new center section print, it shows part of the left wing with a rib 4-1/2" away from the end rib near the center section. My questions are: Do you add this "new" rib between the existing ribs shown 11"-12" apart? Do you add this "new" rib on the end of the existing ribs? (making the wing longer) Do you take the original rib count and space them where needed on the new wing so that the cables and the like clear and not worry about the 11", 12" or 4-1/2" spacing? How many total ribs are used on each wing section with the 3 piece design? _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:58 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section I see that my wording was incorrect below. Using that same C.S. view, you h ave the left wing end rib, then OUTBOARD of that, towards the wing tip, is another rib shown at 8.25". That rib does NOT show on the original wing pri nt with the whole left wing shown-with the 11"-12" spacing.- Again, wit h this new info, I am wondering about the original questions asked. --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Ryan Mueller wrote: From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section Michael, http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmueller23/3007383963/sizes/o/ Red circle surrounds the aft portion of the end rib on the left side of the center section. To the left of that would be the end rib of the left wing panel. Blue circle surrounds the tail rib in the left side of the center se ction. Is that what you are talking about? Ryan On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Michael Perez wr ote: No, that's not it. That center section view on the bottom rightof the print , on the left of the center section itself, the left wing has the end rib, then inboard of that at, I believe, 4-1/2" is another rib. I do not have th e prints with me now, but that is what I remember seeing. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:18 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section The 3 piece wing spars are shown at 13'-2.5" and you have the 29" center se ction. That C.S. drawing shows the rib in question as mentioned. With no ri b spacing/numbers given, how many ribs per wing and how does that "new" rib fit in? --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Ryan Mueller wrote: From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section Insofar as the rib spacing goes, it appears on the one piece wing that the spacing indicated is "on center" for the ribs. If you add the spacing up fr om the center of the wing to the tip (excluding the 1" wing tip bow) you ar rive at 14" 5', which jives with the length shown for the spar. Therefore t he actual spacing between the ribs would be 1/2" less than the on center sp acing shown (per 1/2" wide capstrips). Does that sound reasonable? Here's my conclusion on rib count. If you look at the "rear view - full siz e" print at the top of the sheet, you can see it shows 14 1/2" from the cen ter of the nose rib to the end of the center section spar. Then there is 1/ 2" from end of the wing spar to the end of the wing panel butt rib. An addi tional 1/4" would get us to the center of the wing panel butt rib. Therefor e: center of the nose rib to the center of the wing panel butt rib should e qual 15 1/4". Based on what I can see on the overhead view of the center section it is 8 1/4" from the center of the wing panel butt rib to the next rib. Adding 15 1/4" to 8 1/4" arrives at 23 1/2". This is the same spacing as shown on the one piece wing from the center of the nose rib to the second rib from the center (12 1/2" + 11"). Since we have a common point of reference between the two types of wings, w e can therefore count up the ribs. We should have 14 ribs in each wing pane l; two wings means 28 ribs. There are 2 full size ribs in the center sectio n, bringing the count to 30. Then you have the three partials, one nose rib and two tail ribs. Can someone check my math please? I haven't had breakfast yet, so no guaran tees.... - :P Ryan On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Michael Perez wr ote: I am confused with the way I see the original wing print and the newer 3 pi ece supplement print. On the original, the full left wing looks to have 14 ribs, right up until you get to the middle of the wing, where the new cente r section would be. These ribs are spaced about 11"-12" apart. On the new c enter section print, it shows part of the left wing with a rib 4-1/2" away from the end rib near the center section. My questions are: - Do you add this "new" rib between the existing ribs shown 11"-12" apart? Do you add this "new" rib on the end of the existing ribs? (making the wing longer) Do you take the original rib count and space them where needed on the new w ing so that the cables and the like clear and not worry about the 11", 12" or 4-1/2" spacing? How many total ribs are used on each wing section with the 3 piece design? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:05 AM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section >From the center of the nose rib (i.e. center of the wing) to the left end of the center section spar would be 14 1/2". Add that to the 13' 2 1/2" length of the wing spar and you have 14' 5". This is same length as the distance from the center of the nose rib to the end of the spar of the one piece wing. For the purpose of visualizing how to space the ribs, consider the circled ribs to be the same rib: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmueller23/3007515273/sizes/l/ >From that rib going outboard your ribs on the three piece wing would be spaced the same as the ribs on the one piece wing. From that rib going inboard you reference the three piece wing drawing. Does that help? Ryan On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > The 3 piece wing spars are shown at 13'-2.5" and you have the 29" center > section. That C.S. drawing shows the rib in question as mentioned. With no > rib spacing/numbers given, how many ribs per wing and how does that "new" > rib fit in? > > --- On *Thu, 11/6/08, Ryan Mueller * wrote: > > From: Ryan Mueller > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 10:15 AM > > Insofar as the rib spacing goes, it appears on the one piece wing that the > spacing indicated is "on center" for the ribs. If you add the spacing up > from the center of the wing to the tip (excluding the 1" wing tip bow) you > arrive at 14" 5', which jives with the length shown for the spar. Therefore > the actual spacing between the ribs would be 1/2" less than the on center > spacing shown (per 1/2" wide capstrips). Does that sound reasonable? > > Here's my conclusion on rib count. If you look at the "rear view - full > size" print at the top of the sheet, you can see it shows 14 1/2" from the > center of the nose rib to the end of the center section spar. Then there is > 1/2" from end of the wing spar to the end of the wing panel butt rib. An > additional 1/4" would get us to the center of the wing panel butt rib. > Therefore: center of the nose rib to the center of the wing panel butt rib > should equal 15 1/4". > > Based on what I can see on the overhead view of the center section it is 8 > 1/4" from the center of the wing panel butt rib to the next rib. Adding 15 > 1/4" to 8 1/4" arrives at 23 1/2". This is the same spacing as shown on the > one piece wing from the center of the nose rib to the second rib from the > center (12 1/2" + 11"). > > Since we have a common point of reference between the two types of wings, > we can therefore count up the ribs. We should have 14 ribs in each wing > panel; two wings means 28 ribs. There are 2 full size ribs in the center > section, bringing the count to 30. Then you have the three partials, one > nose rib and two tail ribs. > > Can someone check my math please? I haven't had breakfast yet, so no > guarantees.... :P > > Ryan > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > >> I am confused with the way I see the original wing print and the newer >> 3 piece supplement print. On the original, the full left wing looks to have >> 14 ribs, right up until you get to the middle of the wing, where the new >> center section would be. These ribs are spaced about 11"-12" apart. On the >> new center section print, it shows part of the left wing with a rib 4-1/2" >> away from the end rib near the center section. My questions are: >> >> Do you add this "new" rib between the existing ribs shown 11"-12" apart? >> Do you add this "new" rib on the end of the existing ribs? (making the >> wing longer) >> Do you take the original rib count and space them where needed on the new >> wing so that the cables and the like clear and not worry about the 11", 12" >> or 4-1/2" spacing? >> How many total ribs are used on each wing section with the 3 piece design? >> > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:30 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section Yes, that is more or less what I was wondering. I have talked with Mike Cuy and he still has his original hand drawings he figured out back in the day . Between his info., yours and another good look at the prints when I get h ome, I can sleep tonight. - Thanks for the help. The addition of the pics were great! --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Ryan Mueller wrote: From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section >From the center of the nose rib (i.e. center of the wing) to the left end of the center section spar would be 14 1/2". Add that to the 13' 2 1/2" len gth of the wing spar and you have 14' 5". This is same length as the distan ce from the center of the nose rib to the end of the spar of the one piece wing. For the purpose of visualizing how to space the ribs, consider the circled ribs to be the same rib: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmueller23/3007515273/sizes/l/ >From that rib going outboard your ribs on the three piece wing would be spa ced the same as the ribs on the one piece wing. From that rib going inboard you reference the three piece wing drawing. Does that help? Ryan On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Michael Perez wr ote: The 3 piece wing spars are shown at 13'-2.5" and you have the 29" center se ction. That C.S. drawing shows the rib in question as mentioned. With no ri b spacing/numbers given, how many ribs per wing and how does that "new" rib fit in? --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Ryan Mueller wrote: From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing print and center section Insofar as the rib spacing goes, it appears on the one piece wing that the spacing indicated is "on center" for the ribs. If you add the spacing up fr om the center of the wing to the tip (excluding the 1" wing tip bow) you ar rive at 14" 5', which jives with the length shown for the spar. Therefore t he actual spacing between the ribs would be 1/2" less than the on center sp acing shown (per 1/2" wide capstrips). Does that sound reasonable? Here's my conclusion on rib count. If you look at the "rear view - full siz e" print at the top of the sheet, you can see it shows 14 1/2" from the cen ter of the nose rib to the end of the center section spar. Then there is 1/ 2" from end of the wing spar to the end of the wing panel butt rib. An addi tional 1/4" would get us to the center of the wing panel butt rib. Therefor e: center of the nose rib to the center of the wing panel butt rib should e qual 15 1/4". Based on what I can see on the overhead view of the center section it is 8 1/4" from the center of the wing panel butt rib to the next rib. Adding 15 1/4" to 8 1/4" arrives at 23 1/2". This is the same spacing as shown on the one piece wing from the center of the nose rib to the second rib from the center (12 1/2" + 11"). Since we have a common point of reference between the two types of wings, w e can therefore count up the ribs. We should have 14 ribs in each wing pane l; two wings means 28 ribs. There are 2 full size ribs in the center sectio n, bringing the count to 30. Then you have the three partials, one nose rib and two tail ribs. Can someone check my math please? I haven't had breakfast yet, so no guaran tees.... - :P Ryan On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Michael Perez wr ote: I am confused with the way I see the original wing print and the newer 3 pi ece supplement print. On the original, the full left wing looks to have 14 ribs, right up until you get to the middle of the wing, where the new cente r section would be. These ribs are spaced about 11"-12" apart. On the new c enter section print, it shows part of the left wing with a rib 4-1/2" away from the end rib near the center section. My questions are: - Do you add this "new" rib between the existing ribs shown 11"-12" apart? Do you add this "new" rib on the end of the existing ribs? (making the wing longer) Do you take the original rib count and space them where needed on the new w ing so that the cables and the like clear and not worry about the 11", 12" or 4-1/2" spacing? How many total ribs are used on each wing section with the 3 piece design? ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing print and center section From: "Catdesigns" Ryan, take a look at the attached scan of the plans. All you do is add a new rib in the first 11-inch rib spacing (see picture). You will need 30 ribs plus one for the wall. Chris -------- Chris Tracy Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212696#212696 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/t_1_193.jpg ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing print and center section From: "Catdesigns" Oops! Sorry Ryan, I see your not the one who asked. Chris -------- Chris Tracy Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212699#212699 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:47 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing print and center section This is the conclusion I came up with as well. That "new" rib is inaddition to the "originals". --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Catdesigns wrote: From: Catdesigns Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing print and center section Oops! Sorry Ryan, I see your not the one who asked. Chris -------- Chris Tracy Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212699#212699 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing print and center section From: "Catdesigns" After re reading your original message let me be more specific. Q: Do you add this "new" rib between the existing ribs shown 11"-12" apart? A: See picture in my previously attached photo and you will see a new rib added between the first 11-inch rib spacing out from the center of the wing. Q: Do you add this "new" rib on the end of the existing ribs? (making the wing longer) A: No. Q: Do you take the original rib count and space them where needed on the new wing so that the cables and the like clear and not worry about the 11", 12" or 4-1/2" spacing? A: No. You will want to slightly adjust the rib spacing else where to clear fittings and wires. Q: How many total ribs are used on each wing section with the 3 piece design? A: 30 Q: I wonder why that new rib at 4-1/2" is shown...I would hate to omit a needed reinforcement. A: This has 4-1/2" measurement has me confused me confused. I don't see it on the plans. Perhaps you meant the 8-1/4" measurement on the bottom of the drawing? Chris -------- Chris Tracy Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212701#212701 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:11 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing print and center section yes to the 4.5"/8.25" measurement. I was going from (bad) memory. --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Catdesigns wrote: From: Catdesigns Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing print and center section After re reading your original message let me be more specific. Q: Do you add this "new" rib between the existing ribs shown 11"-12" apart? A: See picture in my previously attached photo and you will see a new rib added between the first 11-inch rib spacing out from the center of the wing. Q: Do you add this "new" rib on the end of the existing ribs? (making the wing longer) A: No. Q: Do you take the original rib count and space them where needed on the new wing so that the cables and the like clear and not worry about the 11", 12" or 4-1/2" spacing? A: No. You will want to slightly adjust the rib spacing else where to clear fittings and wires. Q: How many total ribs are used on each wing section with the 3 piece design? A: 30 Q: I wonder why that new rib at 4-1/2" is shown...I would hate to omit a needed reinforcement. A: This has 4-1/2" measurement has me confused me confused. I don't see it on the plans. Perhaps you meant the 8-1/4" measurement on the bottom of the drawing? Chris -------- Chris Tracy Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212701#212701 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Valparasio, Indiana From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" That is a GREAT stop to and from Wisconsin from Ohio or anywhere east of Valparaiso. Great EAA chapter like Jack said serving a very reasonable and good lunch under tents setup nearby the FBO. One year it started to rain and a gent directed me to his personal hangar so the Piet wouldn't get wet. He had a King Air and a British Vampire or some vintage jet in there. Richard S. is there and another gent named Jim who is building a Piet as well. Good group of people. Jim Reed has a fantastic warbird collection to include pristine examples of a Corsair, Mustang, T-28 and more. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:58 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet - GN! differences Harvey, Another poster was qauoting the old Grega site. They claimed more room. I don't know. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: H RULE >Sent: Nov 5, 2008 3:29 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet - GN! differences > >I fly a GN-1 Aircamper and if you say that the wing was modified to allow easy access for the front passenger then I say it is still easier for a midget to get in than a full grown person and I can't imagine how tough it must have been for the Pietenpol.They must have crawled in somehow!They must have been smaller than midgets.If I could and I won't ;I wouldn't put a passenger in my front seat.Too dangerous. > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Tim Willis >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 12:02:56 PM >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet - GN! differences > > >Reaction to the claims. First the claims. > >Q: What is the difference between the GN-1 Aircamper and the the original Pietenpol Aircamper? > >A: Here's what's different between the GN-1 Aircamper and the Pietenpol Aircamper: >Modified the structure to accept Piper, Aeronca and early Cessna wing panels. >Modified the airfoil leading edge from the front spar forward to give better stall characteristics. >Relocated the CG to acceptable limits. >Redesigned fuselage structure to accept flat-four aircraft engines, 65 to 85 hp. >Redesigned entire structure to accept Piper landing gear and Piper firewall forward, which in the fifties were in plentiful supply new and used. If not available today, no problem, these can be fabricated, plans show how. >Designed a steel tube, welded fuselage structure. The plans show both wood and steel tube fuselages. >Raised the wing position to allow easier entry and exit for both pilot and passenger. >=========================== >My reaction: > >The plans that Don Pietenpol sells today offer some of these same items, e.g.: > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Assembling hydraulic hoses From: "ThisOne" [quote="Woodflier(at)aol.com"]I've been trying all night to screw the nipple from the Aeroquip 491 fitting onto the cut end of some Aeroquip 303 hose to make up brake hoses. Can't seem to get the hose to screw all the way into the fitting. Any tips or tricks on how to get this on. My fingers are raw from pushing and twisting the hose. Tried recutting the hose several times for a clean start - no luck. Matt Paxton Matt, On hose assemblies here we first ream out the line (a punch works fine here), and then apply a lite oil to the nipple and threads (male) and also again on the female portion as well. I hope that this help Regards, Brett Bonaco, Inc. > [b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212767#212767 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:53 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet - GN! differences I have tried unsuccessfully to get into my front seat.I am 5'3" and it is v ery ,very difficult.The crossed rods on the-right side make it very hard to put your arms and torso through in order to get the body far enough over for the left leg and foot to get in.-I have a battery and battery box bo lted to the front seat now anyway and there are only rudder peddles up ther e so I don't fly passengers anyway.I could move the battery to the floor an d put a control stick in there but there are not many pilots around my fiel d that can fit in the rear seat let alone the front seat even if I wanted t o.I laugh at guys who say "oh ya I can get into that";then they try and the y find out mighty fast that it's only for a runt like me.That's the way it was built.Even for me there isn't a whole lot of room in that rear cockpit. -I didn't build it and I was surprised after I bought it just how small i t is.Before I put in a lift door;modifying the mid section wing with hinges etc.,I had to do the limbo to get in.If a taller person was to buy it they would have to move the rudder peddles and perhaps cut some wood.=0A =0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Tim Willis =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 6:03:28 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet - GN! differences link.net>=0A=0AHarvey,=0A=0AAnother poster was qauoting the old Grega site. - They claimed more room.- I don't know.=0A=0ATim in central TX=0A=0A-- ---Original Message-----=0A>From: H RULE =0A>Sent: Nov 5, 2008 3:29 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pie tenpol-List: Re: Piet - GN! differences=0A>=0A>I fly a GN-1 Aircamper and i f you say that the wing was modified to allow easy access for the front pas senger then I say it is still easier for a midget to get in than a full gro wn person and I can't imagine how tough it must have been for the Pietenpol .They must have crawled in somehow!They must have been smaller than midgets .If I could and I won't ;I wouldn't put a passenger in my front seat.Too da ngerous.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>----- Original Message ----=0A>From: Tim Willis =0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Sent: Wed nesday, November 5, 2008 12:02:56 PM=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pi s =0A>=0A>Reaction to the claims.- First the claims.=0A>=0A>Q: What is the difference between the GN-1 Aircamper and th e the original Pietenpol Aircamper? =0A>=0A>A: Here's what's different betw een the GN-1 Aircamper and the Pietenpol Aircamper: =0A>Modified the struct ure to accept Piper, Aeronca and early Cessna wing panels. =0A>Modified the airfoil leading edge from the front spar forward to give better stall char acteristics. =0A>Relocated the CG to acceptable limits. =0A>Redesigned fuse lage structure to accept flat-four aircraft engines, 65 to 85 hp. =0A>Redes igned entire structure to accept Piper landing gear and Piper firewall forw ard, which in the fifties were in plentiful supply new and used. If not ava ilable today, no problem, these can be fabricated, plans show how. =0A>Desi gned a steel tube, welded fuselage structure. The plans show both wood and steel tube fuselages. =0A>Raised the wing position to allow easier entry an d exit for both pilot and passenger. =0A>=========== ==================0A>My reaction:=0A>=0A> The plans that Don Pietenpol sells today offer some of these same items, e. ======== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.