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1. 01:03 AM - Pligrimage next year? (Coen van Wyk)
2. 01:53 AM - Re: Pligrimage next year? (T White)
3. 03:53 AM - Re: Pligrimage next year? (Kip and Beth Gardner)
4. 04:05 AM - Re: Pligrimage next year? (HelsperSew@aol.com)
5. 08:02 AM - Re: Pligrimage next year? (Ryan Mueller)
6. 08:08 AM - Re: Pligrimage next year? (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
7. 08:52 AM - Re: Pligrimage next year? (Dick N.)
8. 09:33 AM - Re: Pligrimage next year? (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
9. 11:50 AM - Re: Piet - GN! differences (kmccune)
10. 01:23 PM - Re: Re: Piet - GN! differences (Ryan Mueller)
11. 03:54 PM - Re: Piet - GN! differences (Bill Church)
12. 04:17 PM - Re: Re: Piet - GN! differences (Jonathan Ragle)
13. 07:55 PM - Words to live by (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
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Dear list members,
>From a long time lurker: my son and I are thinking of doing the pilgrimage
next year, to Brodhead and Oshkosh. Your advice would be most welcome. I
would like to see someone in Florida as well, while my son wants to visit
New York, apparently there is an aircraft carrier in the harbor, with a
Blackbird that he HAS to see.
I thought to fly from South Africa into Miami, take a bus from there? We
will be camping, but is it practical to take a bus from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Would there still be camping available then? There is usually a South
African campsite at Oshkosh, maybe it is reserved for customers of one of
the organized groups. Will there be a Piet campsite? Would Piet admirers
find a space there? Also, can one buy prepaid sim cards for GSM phones, so
as to have communication? I know some countries do not allow this.
Thank you in advance for your comments,
Coen van Wyk
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If you are going from New York to Wisconsin, you should not miss the US
Air Force Museum in Dayton Ohio. http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/
----- Original Message -----
From: Coen van Wyk
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pligrimage next year?
Dear list members,
From a long time lurker: my son and I are thinking of doing the
pilgrimage next year, to Brodhead and Oshkosh. Your advice would be most
welcome. I would like to see someone in Florida as well, while my son
wants to visit New York, apparently there is an aircraft carrier in the
harbor, with a Blackbird that he HAS to see.
I thought to fly from South Africa into Miami, take a bus from there?
We will be camping, but is it practical to take a bus from Brodhead to
Oshkosh? Would there still be camping available then? There is usually a
South African campsite at Oshkosh, maybe it is reserved for customers of
one of the organized groups. Will there be a Piet campsite? Would Piet
admirers find a space there? Also, can one buy prepaid sim cards for GSM
phones, so as to have communication? I know some countries do not allow
this.
Thank you in advance for your comments,
Coen van Wyk
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| Subject: | Re: Pligrimage next year? |
Hi Coen,
I can't answer your questions regarding Oshkosh, having never made
the trip myself, but I can give you soma advice regarding travel.
Americans are not real big on any form of mass transit besides flying
(although that may change with the increasing cost of oil). As a
result, there is really only one bus line left in the US -
Greyhound. You can probably figure out an itinerary on their web site.
However, most Greyhound stations are in the center of older, larger
cities, frequently in not so nice areas. You might have trouble
getting from the station to a good place to camp at many of your
stops. Traveling by bus in this country can be quite an adventure,
in both a positive and negative sense.
So, here's what I'm proposing - all you listers out there - how many
of you can offer Coen and his son a place to stay? If you stopped in
Akron,Ohio, I'd be happy to do that, and pick you up and deliver you
to the bus station, and I bet there are others who would be willing
to do that as well.
How about it folks?
Kip Gardner
North Canton, Ohio
On Nov 7, 2008, at 3:57 AM, Coen van Wyk wrote:
> Dear list members,
>
> From a long time lurker: my son and I are thinking of doing the
> pilgrimage next year, to Brodhead and Oshkosh. Your advice would be
> most welcome. I would like to see someone in Florida as well, while
> my son wants to visit New York, apparently there is an aircraft
> carrier in the harbor, with a Blackbird that he HAS to see.
>
> I thought to fly from South Africa into Miami, take a bus from
> there? We will be camping, but is it practical to take a bus from
> Brodhead to Oshkosh? Would there still be camping available then?
> There is usually a South African campsite at Oshkosh, maybe it is
> reserved for customers of one of the organized groups. Will there
> be a Piet campsite? Would Piet admirers find a space there? Also,
> can one buy prepaid sim cards for GSM phones, so as to have
> communication? I know some countries do not allow this.
>
> Thank you in advance for your comments,
>
> Coen van Wyk
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pligrimage next year? |
Coen,
That would be great if you and your son could come to the US next year.
Getting from Miami to NY is no problem on a commercial airplane. The same from
NY
to Chicago. But once in Chicago I would recommend renting a car and just
drive yourself. Brodhead is a very small town and does not to my knowledge have
any public transportation to anywhere. Then it would be about 2.3 hours
(123 miles) more to Oshkosh. I have seen the very large South African
camping set-up at Camp Scholler at Airventure. They always look like they are
having fun. This would be the place for you to stay as I'm sure you would find
good camaraderie and advise from those that have done it all before. You would
want to arrange this with the South African group ahead of time for sure so you
would be included. The Piet activity at Oshkosh has been limited in the 28
years that I have been going. But on some special occasions such as the coming
year (80th anniversary) there will be a larger presence. I am very jealous
of all the guys that are going to arrive at Oshkosh together in their Piets
this next year. I will not be finished with mine in time.
There are busses here that go across the country, but I do not believe they
are very good for anybody that has the money to do otherwise, plus they take
forever to get anywhere because they make many stops along the way. If anyone
on this list is more knowledgeable on this subject I would like to hear it
also.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Pligrimage next year? |
Hello Coen,
I would concur with Dan on Greyhound (as that would pretty much be your only
cross country bus option). I have ridden Greyhound before, and it isn't that
bad if you are going on short trips (4 or 5 hours). But from Miami to NY, or
NY to Chicago would be somewhere in the 20 to 24hr range; that might be a
bit much on your sanity. Plus the bus fare for such a long trip could be in
the ballpark of what a flight would cost you anyhow.
If you are visiting someone in Florida maybe they would be able to pick you
up at the airport and drive you around while you are visiting, thereby
negating the expense of a rental car while in Florida. New York is obviously
a large metropolitan city, so I'm sure they're local mass transit system
would be workable (like Chicago, where we live). You could probably avoid
having to rent a car there if you needed to. You would want to do some
pretty good research on your itinerary and where you needed to go, so you
could determine bus and train routes ahead of time. It would be a little
more difficult just showing up and hoping to "figure it out".
O'Hare in Chicago or Gen'l Mitchell in Milwaukee would probably be your best
bets for flying into the region for Brodhead and OSH. I would agree with Dan
that once you get that far you pretty much have to rent a car. Brodhead is a
small town in Wisconsin and there is no mass transit that serves it, which
would make getting there and going from there to OSH rather difficult.
As Dan mentioned, the South African contigent at OSH seems to be rather big.
I'm sure there would be camping available when you get to OSH, but it's
going to be more on the outskirts of the campgrounds. If you want to
guarantee a camping spot near the South Africans you would want to make
liason with that group ASAP to try to figure something out. EAA of South
Africa may be able to put you in touch:
http://www.eaa.org.za/
...it also appears that a company called Air Adventure Tours offers trip
packages from South Africa to OSH. They may have a hand in the campsite
setup, or may at least have contact info for whoever runs it.
http://www.airadventure.co.za/
Finally, as far as the phones go, I don't know if you can buy prepaid SIM's
for GSM phones from other countries. I would be inclined to think that you
would not be able to; the US cell phone market does not play well with
others. Contacting someone through EAA South Africa who has made the trip
may get you that answer. If that would not be an option, the easiest thing
to do would be to just buy a prepaid cell phone when you get to the US. They
don't have contracts; just buy a phone and buy cards to add minutes. You can
get a Motorola TracFone at Walmart for around $10 (approximately 100 Rand, I
believe).
Good luck with your planning!
Ryan
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:57 AM, Coen van Wyk <coenvanwyk@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear list members,
>
> From a long time lurker: my son and I are thinking of doing the pilgrimage
> next year, to Brodhead and Oshkosh. Your advice would be most welcome. I
> would like to see someone in Florida as well, while my son wants to visit
> New York, apparently there is an aircraft carrier in the harbor, with a
> Blackbird that he HAS to see.
>
> I thought to fly from South Africa into Miami, take a bus from there? We
> will be camping, but is it practical to take a bus from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
> Would there still be camping available then? There is usually a South
> African campsite at Oshkosh, maybe it is reserved for customers of one of
> the organized groups. Will there be a Piet campsite? Would Piet admirers
> find a space there? Also, can one buy prepaid sim cards for GSM phones, so
> as to have communication? I know some countries do not allow this.
>
> Thank you in advance for your comments,
>
> Coen van Wyk
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| Subject: | Re: Pligrimage next year? |
For discussion purposes, would a train be easier and more practical, safer
and less costly and more comfortable than a bus? I am certain from Miami he
could take the rail system to NYC 7th Ave Grand Central Station then cross
town the Aircraft carrier, for some reason I was thinking it was near Fulton
Street area and Battery Park which could be a pretty good hoof. The back to the
train to going from NYC train to Chicago to or Milwaukee (by way of
Philadelphia possibly) then car to Brodhead which is no big jump. I am certain
anyone
coming through Chicago or Milwaukee can pick them up and provide car
transport to Brodhead. Its a bunch easier to sleep on the train than on a bus
plus
meals may be easier gotten on the train.
Just a possible routing that may be faster and more efficent.
John
In a message dated 11/7/2008 6:55:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
kipandbeth@earthlink.net writes:
Hi Coen,
I can't answer your questions regarding Oshkosh, having never made the trip
myself, but I can give you soma advice regarding travel. Americans are not
real big on any form of mass transit besides flying (although that may change
with the increasing cost of oil). As a result, there is really only one bus
line left in the US - Greyhound. You can probably figure out an itinerary on
their web site.
However, most Greyhound stations are in the center of older, larger cities,
frequently in not so nice areas. You might have trouble getting from the
station to a good place to camp at many of your stops. Traveling by bus in this
country can be quite an adventure, in both a positive and negative sense.
So, here's what I'm proposing - all you listers out there - how many of you
can offer Coen and his son a place to stay? If you stopped in Akron,Ohio, I'd
be happy to do that, and pick you up and deliver you to the bus station, and
I bet there are others who would be willing to do that as well.
How about it folks?
Kip Gardner
North Canton, Ohio
On Nov 7, 2008, at 3:57 AM, Coen van Wyk wrote:
Dear list members,
>From a long time lurker: my son and I are thinking of doing the pilgrimage
next year, to Brodhead and Oshkosh. Your advice would be most welcome. I would
like to see someone in Florida as well, while my son wants to visit New
York, apparently there is an aircraft carrier in the harbor, with a Blackbird
that he HAS to see.
I thought to fly from South Africa into Miami, take a bus from there? We
will be camping, but is it practical to take a bus from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Would there still be camping available then? There is usually a South African
campsite at Oshkosh, maybe it is reserved for customers of one of the organized
groups. Will there be a Piet campsite? Would Piet admirers find a space
there? Also, can one buy prepaid sim cards for GSM phones, so as to have
communication? I know some countries do not allow this.
Thank you in advance for your comments,
Coen van Wyk
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Coen
I will repeat some info from others and add to it. You have many
options depending on what you end up wanting to see and how much time
you have. Going to Miami, and travelling to N.Y., the AMTRAK train
would be much cleaner and safer than bus. At times AMTRAK has unlimited
passes countrywide, but they don't go to most places. Too many stops on
bus in small towns and out of the way places. Yes, I have travelled
that way in the past. However renting a car would give you lots of
flexibility, but you would use several days of your trip driving.
Flying into N.Y. was an option you mentioned. and that aircraft carrier
is quite a sight. But there is the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum in
Washington D.C. which is amazing also and well worth a full days visit.
If you were to drive, Brodhead, Wi. is about 14 hours drive from D.C.
There are 2 options I didn't see others post; You could plan a
destination to the U.S. of N.Y. or Miami, rent a car and return trip
home from Chicago. Several car companies will rent cars with drop offs
at other airports. Second, Have you considered renting a small motor
home? There is a company called Cruise America that rents them, fully
equipped. There are plenty of places to stay for the nights and mostly
for free. Lots of freeway rest stops, truck stops and parking lots of
stores that allow that. The summer months also have many fly ins and
air shows around the country along with music festivals and such.
When you come up with a basic plan, many of us will do what we can to
help.
Dick N.
St. Paul, MN.
----- Original Message -----
From: Coen van Wyk
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pligrimage next year?
Dear list members,
From a long time lurker: my son and I are thinking of doing the
pilgrimage next year, to Brodhead and Oshkosh. Your advice would be most
welcome. I would like to see someone in Florida as well, while my son
wants to visit New York, apparently there is an aircraft carrier in the
harbor, with a Blackbird that he HAS to see.
I thought to fly from South Africa into Miami, take a bus from there?
We will be camping, but is it practical to take a bus from Brodhead to
Oshkosh? Would there still be camping available then? There is usually a
South African campsite at Oshkosh, maybe it is reserved for customers of
one of the organized groups. Will there be a Piet campsite? Would Piet
admirers find a space there? Also, can one buy prepaid sim cards for GSM
phones, so as to have communication? I know some countries do not allow
this.
Thank you in advance for your comments,
Coen van Wyk
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| Subject: | Re: Pligrimage next year? |
On the cell phone you should be able to get one pretty easily. There are some prepaid
plans that are affordable and would work just fine.
As Dick says, It is really easy to end up spending your holiday driving the US
instead of enjoying the US. I tell my friends from Europe that come to visit to
just come to Texas and don't plan on visiting Texas, New York and Hollywood.
I would look at flying as close as possible to Oshkosh and/or Broadhead and drive
there. Unless you are happy driving 4 or 5 hours each day and visiting various
places.
Pull up Mapquest.com and plot some trips from various locations to OSH or Broadhead.
That will give you an idea of how much driving it takes.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick N." <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pligrimage next year?
> Coen
> I will repeat some info from others and add to it. You have many
> options depending on what you end up wanting to see and how much
> time you have. Going to Miami, and travelling to N.Y., the AMTRAK
> train would be much cleaner and safer than bus. At times AMTRAK
> has unlimited passes countrywide, but they don't go to most
> places. Too many stops on bus in small towns and out of the way
> places. Yes, I have travelled that way in the past. However
> renting a car would give you lots of flexibility, but you would
> use several days of your trip driving.
> Flying into N.Y. was an option you mentioned. and that aircraft
> carrier is quite a sight. But there is the Smithsonian Air and
> Space Museum in Washington D.C. which is amazing also and well
> worth a full days visit. If you were to drive, Brodhead, Wi. is
> about 14 hours drive from D.C.
> There are 2 options I didn't see others post; You could plan a
> destination to the U.S. of N.Y. or Miami, rent a car and return
> trip home from Chicago. Several car companies will rent cars with
> drop offs at other airports. Second, Have you considered renting
> a small motor home? There is a company called Cruise America that
> rents them, fully equipped. There are plenty of places to stay
> for the nights and mostly for free. Lots of freeway rest stops,
> truck stops and parking lots of stores that allow that. The
> summer months also have many fly ins and air shows around the
> country along with music festivals and such.
> When you come up with a basic plan, many of us will do what we can
> to help.
> Dick N.
> St. Paul, MN.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Coen van Wyk
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:57 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pligrimage next year?
>
>
> Dear list members,
>
> From a long time lurker: my son and I are thinking of doing the
> pilgrimage next year, to Brodhead and Oshkosh. Your advice would
> be most welcome. I would like to see someone in Florida as well,
> while my son wants to visit New York, apparently there is an
> aircraft carrier in the harbor, with a Blackbird that he HAS to
> see.
>
> I thought to fly from South Africa into Miami, take a bus from
> there? We will be camping, but is it practical to take a bus from
> Brodhead to Oshkosh? Would there still be camping available then?
> There is usually a South African campsite at Oshkosh, maybe it is
> reserved for customers of one of the organized groups. Will there
> be a Piet campsite? Would Piet admirers find a space there? Also,
> can one buy prepaid sim cards for GSM phones, so as to have
> communication? I know some countries do not allow this.
>
> Thank you in advance for your comments,
>
> Coen van Wyk
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet - GN! differences |
Pietenpol family
--------
Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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| Subject: | Re: Piet - GN! differences |
Ok. What exactly about what they are selling do you not understand? If you
check their website it has plenty of information about the Pietenpol
designs:
http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/
Ryan
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:49 PM, kmccune <kmccune@somtel.net> wrote:
>
> Pietenpol family
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet - GN! differences |
Kevin,
You say you are researching for your next project. If you (or anyone else) are
considering buying Grega GN-1 plans, I think you might be out of luck, as the
GN-1 plans have not been offered for sale for over a year.
The plans offered for sale by the Pietenpol family are not plans for a "Modern
Pietenpol". They sell plans for the original 1933 Ford Model A powered "Improved
Air Camper", as designed by Bernard Pietenpol, and drawn by a teen-aged Orrin
Hoopman (I think 8 sheets 24" x 36"). Also available from the Pietenpol family
are the supplementary plans, which include the necessary information and drawings
if you intend to power your project with a small Continental or a Corvair
engine, instead of the Ford Model A (I think this is 6 sheets 24" x 36").
There is also a drawing available with details on how to build the three-piece
wing - as opposed to the one-piece original wing design (1 sheet 24" x 36").
Not clear as to what else you are unsure about.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Piet - GN! differences |
Man... I bought mine but I have a lot of respect for you guys that build th
ese things. You are better men than I. Building any aircraft (and I have)
is a task. Building from 8 sheets is astonishing.> Subject: Pietenpol-Lis
t: Re: Piet - GN! differences> From: billspiet@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri=2C 7
Nov 2008 15:54:05 -0800> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > --> Pietenpol
-List message posted by: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>> > Kevin=2C
> You say you are researching for your next project. If you (or anyone else
) are considering buying Grega GN-1 plans=2C I think you might be out of lu
ck=2C as the GN-1 plans have not been offered for sale for over a year.> >
The plans offered for sale by the Pietenpol family are not plans for a "Mod
ern Pietenpol". They sell plans for the original 1933 Ford Model A powered
"Improved Air Camper"=2C as designed by Bernard Pietenpol=2C and drawn by a
teen-aged Orrin Hoopman (I think 8 sheets 24" x 36"). Also available from
the Pietenpol family are the supplementary plans=2C which include the neces
sary information and drawings if you intend to power your project with a sm
all Continental or a Corvair engine=2C instead of the Ford Model A (I think
this is 6 sheets 24" x 36"). There is also a drawing available with detail
s on how to build the three-piece wing - as opposed to the one-piece origin
al wing design (1 sheet 24" x 36").> > Not clear as to what else you are un
sure about. > > Bill C.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://for
==============> > >
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> fence and watch the birds; but if you really wish to learn, you must
> mount a machine and become acquainted with its tricks by actual trial."
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