---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/08/08: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS (Frank Metcalfe) 2. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS (Jonathan Ragle) 3. 08:52 AM - Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS (ldmill) 4. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS (Gene & Tammy) 5. 11:04 AM - Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS (ldmill) 6. 04:54 PM - Re: Piet - GN! differences (Don Emch) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:05 AM PST US From: "Frank Metcalfe" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS Do Ya have to run leaded fuel.....;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Ragle To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:05 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS I will say that almost all of the SBF and SBC 4340 cranks coming out of China are top notch, and I doubt you will find an American company just dying to churn out rotating assemblies for an obsolete Chevy. :) > From: zharvey@bellsouth.net > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:17:03 -0600 > > > Probably as safe as their milk. > Wonder how many Americans that put out of work? > Gene > > Do Not Archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brady" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:09 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS > > > > > > > > Al, > > These Crankshafts are manufactured in a facility that is ISO9001 & QS9000 > > Certified. > > QS9000 is a quality control standard developed by the "Big Three" Ford, GM > > & Chrysler. > > This same manufacture produces Crankshafts for Chevrolet, Ford, Chrysler, > > VW, Caterpillar, Nissan, Toyota, Cleveland Diesel, and a few others that > > have slipped my mind at the moment. > > > > This Facility Is in Beijing China. > > > > If you have a philosophical opposition to Chinese products you should not > > buy one. > > You should also carefully research where the rest of the products in your > > life and their components are manufactured. > > You may be terribly surprised. > > > > We have had the First crankshaft we received from this manufacturer > > thoroughly tested for both Chemical composition and Heat Treating by a > > reputable Metallurgical laboratory here in Seattle WA. > > This Company does a lot of work for the Boeing Company. > > > > The results were beyond our expectations. > > These are very high quality Crankshafts. > > > > Thank you, > > > > -------- > > Brady McCormick > > Poulsbo, WA > > www.magnificentmachine.com > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212573#212573 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Checked by AVG. > > 8:26 AM >=============== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. Sign up today. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:04 AM PST US From: Jonathan Ragle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS Only if you want to win. FAST street cars get their fuel out of a 55 gallo n drum in the garage. Of course this is illegal and something that I would never take part in=2C promise. As for the Corvair cranks=2C I dunno. =3B-) do not archive From: fmetcalf@bellsouth.netTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Pi etenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTSDate: Sat=2C 8 Nov 2008 10 :22:30 -0500 Do Ya have to run leaded fuel.....=3B-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Ragle Sent: Wednesday=2C November 05=2C 2008 7:05 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS I will say that almost all of the SBF and SBC 4340 cranks coming out of Chi na are top notch=2C and I doubt you will find an American company just dyin g to churn out rotating assemblies for an obsolete Chevy. :) > From: zharv ey@bellsouth.net> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol- List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS> Date: Wed=2C 5 Nov 2008 17:17:03 lsouth.net>> > Probably as safe as their milk.> Wonder how many Americans t hat put out of work?> Gene> > Do Not Archive> > ----- Original Message ---- - > From: "Brady" > To: > Sent: Wednesday=2C November 05=2C 2008 4:09 PM> Subject: Pietenp ol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS> > > > --> Pietenpol-List mess age posted by: "Brady" > > > >> > Al=2C> > Th ese Crankshafts are manufactured in a facility that is ISO9001 & QS9000 > > Certified.> > QS9000 is a quality control standard developed by the "Big T hree" Ford=2C GM > > & Chrysler.> > This same manufacture produces Cranksha fts for Chevrolet=2C Ford=2C Chrysler=2C > > VW=2C Caterpillar=2C Nissan=2C Toyota=2C Cleveland Diesel=2C and a few others that > > have slipped my mi nd at the moment.> >> > This Facility Is in Beijing China.> >> > If you hav e a philosophical opposition to Chinese products you should not > > buy one .> > You should also carefully research where the rest of the products in y our > > life and their components are manufactured.> > You may be terribly surprised.> >> > We have had the First crankshaft we received from this man ufacturer > > thoroughly tested for both Chemical composition and Heat Trea ting by a > > reputable Metallurgical laboratory here in Seattle WA.> > Thi s Company does a lot of work for the Boeing Company.> >> > The results were beyond our expectations.> > These are very high quality Crankshafts.> >> > Thank you=2C> >> > --------> > Brady McCormick> > Poulsbo=2C WA> > www.mag nificentmachine.com> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http: //forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212573#212573> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > -- > > Checked by AVG.> > 8:26 AM>======= =========> > > Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. Sign up today. href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chr ef="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious emai l. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safe ty_112008 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS From: "ldmill" Interesting comments about Chinese cranks. Most people don't realize it, but the US has really downsized its foundry capability, and any expansions automatically go to low cost countries i.e. China. Over the last 15 years or so, US industries have been exporting huge amounts of metallurgical technology and all the associated quality programs to China. I work for a business that makes very large industrial equipment (steel and exotic alloy intensive), and during project bids we will occasionally see requirements that state US content. In most of these situations, US poured castings are more expensive (1.5 to 2x) take twice as long to get, and are the same quality as what comes out of China (and more than occasionally worse, actually almost all major company's quality management will tell you that the majority of China metal quality programs are now on par with, and in many instances better than those in the US.) Only recently have the export laws really cracked down on US companies exporting the science behind high technology metals. Import/Export compliance is a legal mess to deal with, but it is actually starting to help us keep some home based technology at home. FYI - Actually, without "China Steel" you would be heating your house with wood this year and would be getting to work on horseback. There wouldn't be any natural gas, oil or gasoline available at all this year. It all flows through pipes and valves cast/forged or rolled in China. I hate to see so much good US developed technology exported, but if it isn't, most of the time we would not be able to afford the products it goes into. Lorin -not a China buff - just letting you know the unfortunate state of affairs with the China metal industry -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX Pietenpol next up Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213027#213027 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:29 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS Lorin. There are a number of reasons I try not to buy Chinese. I would take exception to the idea that Chinese metal products are as good as US. Example: In the oil fields and other fields that use heavy lifting equipment, Chinese made lifting components, such as wire, shackles, lifting rings, ect., are forbidden to even be in the work area. Three years ago North Slope Safety made every company on the North Slope of Alaska go thru all their lifting gear and if it was Chinese, it had to be destroyed. The reason? Inconsistency. As a boat Captain it way my job to make sure there wasn't any on my vessel or it's crane. In building an experimental we're free to use what every we want. The Chinese crankshafts may be the best in the world for now, but how about the next batch? I would just like for everyone to have the complete story on Chinese products, not just a sales job. They do have the technology, but as we have seen in their tooth paste, milk, Medicines, pet food, ect., they can't be trusted on for quality control. Since we are living in a global market I expect that someday the Chinese will earn our trust and I will end up buying Chinese products. In my opinion they have a long way to go before I could trust them with anything that has to do with me or my family's safety. The only thing worse than being on the ground on a beautiful day looking up & saying "Oh, I wish I was up there". Is being up there looking down & saying "Oh, I wish I was down there!" Fly Safe. Gene in Tennessee on another beautiful day. Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS From: "ldmill" Hey Gene - on the subject of North Slope - are you still traveling up there? I haven't been up in about 10 years now. Last trip was November of 1997. Minus 35 to -40f temps, but it was beautiful. Arctic Fox running around. There was a Polar bear vs. Brown bear (I think - it may have been a black beer though) fight the day before I got there. Blood all over by the pipeline. While there, one of the I&E guys accidentally tripped CGF-1 offline and the whole facility went on flare for several hours until they got the control system up and running again. It was around midnight when it happened, but you could have read the fine print on a legal contract outside with no lights on and your eyes closed... Regarding steel quality - I totally agree that there have been quality issues in the past on the more standard types of equipment - we've all experienced that. But of the tighter controlled stuff (like I deal with), it's pretty good now-a-days. Probably 75+% of the actuators/valves and regulators installed up there now are ex-US castings/forgings. Wish it was a beautiful Tennessee day here in Iowa. We got a bunch of snow yesterday, it's cold, and of course - it's windy. Cheers! Lorin -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX Pietenpol next up Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213042#213042 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet - GN! differences From: "Don Emch" I've noticed some comments about the size of Piet cockpits, pilots, and passengers. Although the cockpits are not spacious, for the normal sized person they are adequate. I'm 6' 3" and about 185 lbs. I fit very nicely in the rear cockpit. It is straight off of the long fuselage plans. I don't have a flop on the wing so a certain technique has to be exercised to get in, but once that is mastered getting in and out is a very easy. I, like many other Piet pilots have flown many passengers. That's the beauty of the design, giving rides. The front cockpit is a little more snug than the rear, but again with the right technique it is also very simple. Again at my height I have no trouble at all getting in and out. My most common passenger is my dad and he is about 6' 2" and around 225 lbs. I've got to say there is nothing quite like sharing a sunset that just seems to hang on at the end of a long summer day or the misty covered ground right at sunrise. Giving rides is probably the most enjoyable part of my whole Pietenpol experience. From building the first rib several years ago to taking my daughter to breakfast last weekend. People really remember a ride in a Pietenpol. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213067#213067 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.