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1. 06:07 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 11/09/08 (tbyh@aol.com)
2. 07:34 AM - TSA proposal (HelsperSew@aol.com)
3. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 11/09/08 (Gene & Tammy)
4. 09:25 AM - Re: TSA proposal (Gene & Tammy)
5. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
6. 02:37 PM - Re: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS (Gene & Tammy)
7. 07:37 PM - P.F. Beck's Piet (Ryan Mueller)
8. 09:34 PM - Virtual Engine, Magneto etc (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 11/09/08 |
I object to the attempt by some on this list to tie the Obama administration to
the new security proposals which have originated with the HSA and BUSH ADMINISTRATION!
Obama isn't even in office and yet?various people in the aviation community are
already trying to smear him, as they did during the campaign. What a crock! Bush
is the worst president ever, a liar and a congenital screw-up?and don't forget
that 9/11 happened on his watch! And he has violated the Constitution and
our rights --? don't try to claim it is Obama doing this!
Until you have proof that Obama?is trying to do something detrimental to aviation
and our hobby, I suggest that statements like "It is?only going to get worse
with this new administration we have," are unfounded, a bunch of crap and have
no place here.? Of course, you have a right to your opinion, but be prepared
for blowback! Otherwise, I suggest we keep politics out of this site!
FW Beseler
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1. 02:00 AM - Re: Re: Piet - GN! differences (Jeff Boatright)
2. 03:18 AM - Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (HelsperSew@aol.com)
3. 06:55 AM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
(amsafetyc@aol.com)
4. 07:22 AM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
(Isablcorky@aol.com)
5. 02:03 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (Ken Chambers)
6. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks (John
Egan)
7. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? (John Egan)
8. 02:26 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
(HelsperSew@aol.com)
9. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks (Jack
Phillips)
10. 03:25 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (walt)
11. 03:56 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (Ryan Mueller)
12. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks (KMHeide,
BA, CPO, FAAOP)
13. 04:51 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (Ken Chambers)
14. 10:24 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (Clif Dawson)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 02:00:24 AM PST US
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet - GN! differences
Maybe some of us should make YouTube videos showing our various
boarding/deplaning techniques. I'll try to remember to bring my
camera to the field next time.
>...I don't have a flop on the wing so a certain technique has to be
>exercised to get in, but once that is mastered getting in and out is
>a very easy... The front cockpit is a little more snug than the
>rear, but again with the right technique it is also very simple.
>Again at my height I have no trouble at all getting in and out. My
>most common passenger is my dad and he is about 6' 2" and around 225
>lbs.
...
--
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 03:18:58 AM PST US
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
Dear Piet listers,
Please be advised our overreaching federal government is at it again, slowl
y
but surely trying to erode our freedoms in the name of "safety". It is only
going to get worse with this new administration we have. This proposal does
not effect us directly, but we are next. Do not doubt it. Dan H.
TSA Aviation Proposals Raise Civil Liberties Questions
EAA and allies appeal for extension of comment period
October 29, 2008 =94 Upon receiving and reviewing a Notice of Propos
ed
Rulemaking (NPRM) that the Transportation Security Administration issued to
day, EAA
immediately objected to the posted public-comment period of only 60 days. Th
e
NPRM calls for sweeping new security requirements on the operation of all
aircraft exceeding 12,500 pounds =93 commercial and personal-use airc
raft alike.
Because of the onerous requirements and encroachment on personal freedoms
suggested in the NPRM, EAA contends that the NPRM should have a comment per
iod
of no less than 120 days. Several allies, including Missouri Congressman Sa
m
Graves, an active EAA member, have joined EAA in filing objections to the
comment period's 60-day duration.
"These proposed rules would have dramatic ramifications for aircraft
operators," said Earl Lawrence, EAA vice president of industry and regulato
ry
affairs. =9CFurthermore, they raise serious questions in the areas of
interstate
commerce, government authority, civil liberties, and Constitutional rights.
Rulemaking proposals that present the potential for such dramatic consequen
ces
require more than a mere 60 days for public to study and comment on them.
=9D
The TSA's proposed rules would impose numerous requirements on the operator
s
of these aircraft, even those operating the aircraft for private and
personal use, including the following
* The owner/operator must assign a security director to oversee fligh
t
operations.
* The security director must obtain TSA approval for the security
program associated with every operation of the aircraft.
* The security program must be audited and approved by the TSA.
* The owner/operator must submit fingerprints of all flight-crew
members to the TSA.
* The owner/operator must submit a passenger manifest for each flight
to the TSA.
"Once again we're seeing an unwarranted and unrealistic hyper-focus on
airplanes as potential instruments of terror, when real-life experience sho
ws that
trucks, automobiles, and
computers can pose equal, or even greater, threats. This is about our
nation's ongoing struggle to strike the right balance between upholding the
personal freedoms and rights that make our country great and taking the nec
essary
steps to address and prevent legitimate threats to our security," Lawrence
said.
"We haven't seen undue restrictions on the use of trucks, for example,
because there's an understanding that these are important to interstate com
merce
and the personal freedom to move persons and objects about the country. We
need to foster the same understanding when it comes to the role of personal
aircraft in our society," Lawrence said. The NPRM's 60-day comment period e
xpires
Dec. 29, 2008. If the TSA adopts the recommendation of EAA and its allies,
the 120-day comment period would end March 31, 2009.
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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 06:55:06 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
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________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 07:22:45 AM PST US
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
In a message dated 11/9/2008 8:56:37 A.M. Central Standard Time,
amsafetyc@aol.com writes:
what's this country coming to?
Good buddy, hate to tell you but it's not coming, IT'S HERE
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________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 02:03:57 PM PST US
From: "Ken Chambers" <ken.riffic@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
Politics has no place here. Lets cut the screwball predictions and stick
with the regulations.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:57 AM, <amsafetyc@aol.com> wrote:
> Wow, this in not about national security but more a out more govt limitin
g
> our ability. Between this and the Obama civil national security agency
> proposed in his speech. We should have all our freedoms revoked or
> controlled to the point of asking permission then providing justification
to
> exercise them.
>
> Brown shirts and papers what's this country coming to?
>
> John
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBe
>
> ------------------------------
> *From*: HelsperSew@aol.com
> *Date*: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:18:23 EST
> *To*: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject*: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
>
>
> Dear Piet listers,
>
>
> Please be advised our overreaching federal government is at it again,
> slowly but surely trying to erode our freedoms in the name of "safety". I
t
> is only going to get worse with this new administration we have. This
> proposal does not effect us directly, but we are next. Do not doubt it.
Dan
> H.
>
>
> TSA Aviation Proposals Raise Civil Liberties Questions
>
> *EAA and allies appeal for extension of comment period*
>
> *October 29, 2008* =97 Upon receiving and reviewing a Notice of Proposed
> Rulemaking (NPRM) that the Transportation Security Administration issued
> today, EAA immediately objected to the posted public-comment period of
> only 60 days. The NPRM calls for sweeping new security requirements on th
e
> operation of *all* aircraft exceeding 12,500 pounds ' commercial and
> personal-use aircraft alike.
>
> Because of the onerous requirements and encroachment on personal freedoms
> suggested in the NPRM, EAA contends that the NPRM should have a comment
> period of no less than 120 days. Several allies, including Missouri
> Congressman Sam Graves, an active EAA member, have joined EAA in filing
> objections to the comment period's 60-day duration.
>
> "These proposed rules would have dramatic ramifications for aircraft
> operators," said Earl Lawrence, EAA vice president of industry and
> regulatory affairs. "Furthermore, they raise serious questions in the are
as
> of interstate commerce, government authority, civil liberties, and
> Constitutional rights. Rulemaking proposals that present the potential fo
r
> such dramatic consequences require more than a mere 60 days for public to
> study and comment on them."
> The TSA's proposed rules would impose numerous requirements on the
> operators of these aircraft, even those operating the aircraft for privat
e
> and personal use, including the following
>
>
> - The owner/operator must assign a security director to oversee flight
> operations.
> - The security director must obtain TSA approval for the security
> program associated with every operation of the aircraft.
> - The security program must be audited and approved by the TSA.
> - The owner/operator must submit fingerprints of all flight-crew
> members to the TSA.
> - The owner/operator must submit a passenger manifest for *each* fligh
t
> to the TSA.
>
> "Once again we're seeing an unwarranted and unrealistic hyper-focus on
> airplanes as potential instruments of terror, when real-life experience
> shows that trucks, automobiles, and
>
>
> computers can pose equal, or even greater, threats. This is about our
> nation's ongoing struggle to strike the right balance between upholding t
he
> personal freedoms and rights that make our country great and taking the
> necessary steps to address and prevent legitimate threats to our security
,"
> Lawrence said.
>
> "We haven't seen undue restrictions on the use of trucks, for example,
> because there's an understanding that these are important to interstate
> commerce and the personal freedom to move persons and objects about the
> country. We need to foster the same understanding when it comes to the ro
le
> of personal aircraft in our society," Lawrence said.
> The NPRM's 60-day comment period expires Dec. 29, 2008. If the TSA adopts
> the recommendation of EAA and its allies, the 120-day comment period woul
d
> end March 31, 2009.
>
>
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Time: 02:20:52 PM PST US
From: John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks
Thanks Jack for the info regarding jury strut attachment at the spar.- I
made brackets similar to yours and Mike C's.- Another topic:- Mike ment
ined to me that you tested ball valves for fuel shut off use.- I'm instal
ling a nose tank, so I am selecting my shut off valve, actuating cable, and
gascolator.- Do you have comments on these components?- I am especiall
y interested in learning about the controls for the valve.- Do I have to
have a locking type control for fuel?- It looks like a lot of builders ar
e using the T handle control cable from Aircraft Spruce.- Do you know if
the control has to be lockable or positive position or can it simply be an
actuating lever? Have you found that a hardware store bress ball valve is c
onparable to-the mini ACS ball valve?-=0A=0ASo any thoughts you have or
can remember are appreciated.- ball valves, controll types to actuate th
e valve and gascolators.=0A=0AThanks again.=0A=0Ajohn egan=0Asnow flurries
here in Wisconsion today=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AF
rom: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-li
st@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, November 3, 2008 3:22:48 PM=0ASubject: RE:
Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?=0A=0A=0AJohn,=0A-
=0AHere is what I did at the spar.- I made a fitting from =BE=94 x =BE=94
6061-T6 aluminum angle from Home Depot.- At the lift strut I did exactly
like Don Emch, except I cut the end of the eyebolt off flush with the lift
strut and welded it too.- Here is a picture:=0A-=0A-=0AJack Phillips
=0ANX899JP=0ARaleigh, NC=0A-=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AF
rom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-
server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan=0ASent: Monday, November 03, 2
008 3:44 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-Lis
t: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?=0A-=0AThanks Don, however I am
-curious about the attachment at the spar, not at-the strut.- What di
d you do at the spar? Any pictures of flies on the spar attachment.=0A-
=0ACan you remind me what shade of green you painted that as well?- I lik
e it.=0A-=0Ajohn=0Agreenville , wi=0A-=0A=0A___________________________
_____=0A=0AFrom:Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.c
om=0ASent: Monday, November 3, 2008 2:11:41 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: R
e: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message poste
d by: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>=0A=0AHi John,=0A=0AThere are several way
s to do it.- This was my method.- I welded a tube in to the strut and p
ut an eye bolt in.- Check out the fly in the picture too!- Huh.=0A=0Aht
tp://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_149.JPG=0A=0ADo
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________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 02:24:40 PM PST US
From: John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
Thanks Don and Dan and all on the recent answers to my jury strut attachmen
t questions.- This all helps me very much.- Having fun finally working
on these little details.- Next steps, learning my way through the fuel sy
stem.=0A=0AJohn e.=0Agreenville, wi.=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________
______________=0AFrom: Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matr
onics.com=0ASent: Monday, November 3, 2008 8:34:21 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-
List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List messag
e posted by: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>=0A=0AJohn,=0A=0ASorry about that.
- I guess I can't tell the difference between spar and strut.- I did my
spar attachment just like Mike Cuy's.- Bent some flat stock into an angl
e.- I think it might have been .063".- Hey Jack, yeah drilling those ra
tes right up there with drilling the spars.- Makes for a few tense moment
s.=0A=0ADon Emch=0ANX899DE=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0A
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Time: 02:26:28 PM PST US
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
Ken,
I do not consider this politics. There is no partisanship here. This is a
clear example of an over-reaching government trying to overstep their bounds by
curtailing our individual liberties and freedoms. The only reason our country
is the leader of the world today is freedom. Not as any result of what the
government did "for us". All you need to do is look at Europe and see how
little flying is done there. The government has put so many restrictions and
taxes in place it has stifled private flying almost to extinction in some
cases.
Last summer right before Brodhead we had some Swiss fellows visit here at
Poplar Grove. The man and his son were building a Hatz biplane. He told me that
when they finish, they will only be able to fly it 20 hours per year because
of the huge expenses due to the taxes, take-off and landing fees, and
government restrictions. He was extremely envious of our freedoms here. He said
that the flying-friendly atmosphere we enjoy here is unheard of in Switzerland.
We must fight these clowns in Washington that are running the government at
every opportunity!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 03:13:51 PM PST US
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks
Hi John,
I ended up using a valve I bought on ebay, but was planning to use the
ball
valve ACS sells for $23 until I found the very same valve (same
manufacturer, same part number) at Home Depot for about $6. As far as I
know it should work just fine.
I positioned mine so the shutoff is in the rear cockpit, just under the
instrument panel. Kept me from having to run another flexible cable to
the
firewall.
Jack
NX899JP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Egan
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
Thanks
Thanks Jack for the info regarding jury strut attachment at the spar. I
made brackets similar to yours and Mike C's. Another topic: Mike
mentined
to me that you tested ball valves for fuel shut off use. I'm installing
a
nose tank, so I am selecting my shut off valve, actuating cable, and
gascolator. Do you have comments on these components? I am especially
interested in learning about the controls for the valve. Do I have to
have
a locking type control for fuel? It looks like a lot of builders are
using
the T handle control cable from Aircraft Spruce. Do you know if the
control
has to be lockable or positive position or can it simply be an actuating
lever? Have you found that a hardware store bress ball valve is
conparable
to the mini ACS ball valve?
So any thoughts you have or can remember are appreciated. ball valves,
controll types to actuate the valve and gascolators.
Thanks again.
john egan
snow flurries here in Wisconsion today
_____
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 3:22:48 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
John,
Here is what I did at the spar. I made a fitting from =BE=94 x =BE=94
6061-T6
aluminum angle from Home Depot. At the lift strut I did exactly like
Don
Emch, except I cut the end of the eyebolt off flush with the lift strut
and
welded it too. Here is a picture:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Egan
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
Thanks Don, however I am curious about the attachment at the spar, not
at
the strut. What did you do at the spar? Any pictures of flies on the
spar
attachment.
Can you remind me what shade of green you painted that as well? I like
it.
john
greenville , wi
_____
From: Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 2:11:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
Hi John,
There are several ways to do it. This was my method. I welded a tube
in to
the strut and put an eye bolt in. Check out the fly in the picture too!
Huh.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_149.JPG
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic
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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 03:25:36 PM PST US
From: "walt" <waltdak@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
I guess I'm missing something here, but these rules are for airplanes
that weigh 6 1/4 tons.
And I further assume that these are commercial commuter flights.
I for one ,if I was getting on a commercial flight with my wife and two
small daughters, would want a flight that was completely protected from
all the out side crap that could happen to them.
Guess I'm missing something, but how does this compare to a 600# Piet?
PS I work under the wings of the "big Iron" of Newark Airport (NWK) all
the time. And it's amazing how efficiently they all run.
Obama's my man
walt evans
NX140DL
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From: amsafetyc@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
Wow, this in not about national security but more a out more govt
limiting our ability. Between this and the Obama civil national security
agency proposed in his speech. We should have all our freedoms revoked
or controlled to the point of asking permission then providing
justification to exercise them.
Brown shirts and papers what's this country coming to?
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:18:23 EST
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
Dear Piet listers,
Please be advised our overreaching federal government is at it again,
slowly but surely trying to erode our freedoms in the name of "safety".
It is only going to get worse with this new administration we have. This
proposal does not effect us directly, but we are next. Do not doubt it.
Dan H.
TSA Aviation Proposals Raise Civil Liberties Questions
EAA and allies appeal for extension of comment period
October 29, 2008 =94 Upon receiving and reviewing a Notice of
Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) that the Transportation Security
Administration issued today, EAA immediately objected to the posted
public-comment period of only 60 days. The NPRM calls for sweeping new
security requirements on the operation of all aircraft exceeding 12,500
pounds =93 commercial and personal-use aircraft alike.
Because of the onerous requirements and encroachment on personal
freedoms suggested in the NPRM, EAA contends that the NPRM should have a
comment period of no less than 120 days. Several allies, including
Missouri Congressman Sam Graves, an active EAA member, have joined EAA
in filing objections to the comment period's 60-day duration.
"These proposed rules would have dramatic ramifications for aircraft
operators," said Earl Lawrence, EAA vice president of industry and
regulatory affairs. =9CFurthermore, they raise serious questions
in the areas of interstate commerce, government authority, civil
liberties, and Constitutional rights. Rulemaking proposals that present
the potential for such dramatic consequences require more than a mere 60
days for public to study and comment on them.=9D
The TSA's proposed rules would impose numerous requirements on the
operators of these aircraft, even those operating the aircraft for
private and personal use, including the following
a.. The owner/operator must assign a security director to oversee
flight operations.
b.. The security director must obtain TSA approval for the security
program associated with every operation of the aircraft.
c.. The security program must be audited and approved by the TSA.
d.. The owner/operator must submit fingerprints of all flight-crew
members to the TSA.
e.. The owner/operator must submit a passenger manifest for each
flight to the TSA.
"Once again we're seeing an unwarranted and unrealistic hyper-focus on
airplanes as potential instruments of terror, when real-life experience
shows that trucks, automobiles, and
computers can pose equal, or even greater, threats. This is about our
nation's ongoing struggle to strike the right balance between upholding
the personal freedoms and rights that make our country great and taking
the necessary steps to address and prevent legitimate threats to our
security," Lawrence said.
"We haven't seen undue restrictions on the use of trucks, for example,
because there's an understanding that these are important to interstate
commerce and the personal freedom to move persons and objects about the
country. We need to foster the same understanding when it comes to the
role of personal aircraft in our society," Lawrence said.
The NPRM's 60-day comment period expires Dec. 29, 2008. If the TSA
adopts the recommendation of EAA and its allies, the 120-day comment
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________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 03:56:06 PM PST US
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
Walt,
Per the beginning of the proposal:
http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/nprm_lasp.pdf
...the TSA wants to apply these changes to all aircraft, corporate or
private, that have a maximum certificated takeoff weight above 12,500 lbs.
The "private" portion of that proposal would hit the warbird/large vintage
aircraft movement in particular. You can bet that non-profits would fall
under it as well, whether they consider them corporate or private.
Your scheduled or charted airline service currently has such rules in place;
they want to extend them to all aircraft over 12,500, not just airliners. It
matters to you if you want to see historically significant large aircraft
continue to take to the skies at fly-ins and airshows across the country.
The cost and BS factor in dealing with this proposal would cause many
operators (be they non-profits or individuals) to throw in the towel,
especially with the economy in the crapper.
I thank Dan for raising the large aircraft issue, but I disagree with his
assessment of the future. This proposal is the product of the current
administration's continued war against the Constitution, our liberties, and
our freedom. I don't know if the president-elect has the answers, but I
don't see him continuing down the path the current administration has
decided to blaze. I know I shouldn't have said that; oh well, I wanted to
respond. I'll leave it at that. If you have an issue with what I said
politically please contact me personally and we can discuss; I'll not air it
here any further.
I hope everyone had a good weekend. We had a blast at the Golf Company USMC
Birthday Ball in Madison, WI (233 years and going strong!). Everyone came
home safe, we drank far too much beer into the wee hours of the morning, and
fun was had by all. Have a good night,
Ryan
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 5:24 PM, walt <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
> I guess I'm missing something here, but these rules are for airplanes
> that weigh 6 1/4 tons.
> And I further assume that these are commercial commuter flights.
> I for one ,if I was getting on a commercial flight with my wife and two
> small daughters, would want a flight that was completely protected from all
> the out side crap that could happen to them.
> Guess I'm missing something, but how does this compare to a 600# Piet?
> PS I work under the wings of the "big Iron" of Newark Airport (NWK) all the
> time. And it's amazing how efficiently they all run.
> Obama's my man
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 04:28:24 PM PST US
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks
Jack,
-
Any possibility of attaching a few photos of the set-up and valve?
-
KM Heide
-
--- On Sun, 11/9/08, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks
Hi John,
-
I ended up using a valve I bought on ebay, but was planning to use the ball
valve ACS sells for $23 until I found the very same valve (same manufactur
er, same part number) at Home Depot for about $6.- As far as I know it sh
ould work just fine.
-
I positioned mine so the shutoff is in the rear cockpit, just under the ins
trument panel.- Kept me from having to run another flexible cable to the
firewall.
-
Jack
NX899JP
-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks
-
Thanks Jack for the info regarding jury strut attachment at the spar.- I
made brackets similar to yours and Mike C's.- Another topic:- Mike ment
ined to me that you tested ball valves for fuel shut off use.- I'm instal
ling a nose tank, so I am selecting my shut off valve, actuating cable, and
gascolator.- Do you have comments on these components?- I am especiall
y interested in learning about the controls for the valve.- Do I have to
have a locking type control for fuel?- It looks like a lot of builders ar
e using the T handle control cable from Aircraft Spruce.- Do you know if
the control has to be lockable or positive position or can it simply be an
actuating lever? Have you found that a hardware store bress ball valve is c
onparable to-the mini ACS ball valve?-
-
So any thoughts you have or can remember are appreciated.- ball valves, c
ontroll types to actuate the valve and gascolators.
-
Thanks again.
-
john egan
snow flurries here in Wisconsion today
-
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 3:22:48 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
John,
-
Here is what I did at the spar.- I made a fitting from =BE=94 x =BE=94 60
61-T6 aluminum angle from Home Depot.- At the lift strut I did exactly li
ke Don Emch, except I cut the end of the eyebolt off flush with the lift st
rut and welded it too.- Here is a picture:
-
-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
-
Thanks Don, however I am-curious about the attachment at the spar, not at
-the strut.- What did you do at the spar? Any pictures of flies on the
spar attachment.
-
Can you remind me what shade of green you painted that as well?- I like i
t.
-
john
greenville , wi
-
From: Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 2:11:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
Hi John,
There are several ways to do it.- This was my method.- I welded a tube
in to the strut and put an eye bolt in.- Check out the fly in the picture
too!- Huh.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_149.JPG
Don Emch
NX899DE
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________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 04:51:43 PM PST US
From: "Ken Chambers" <ken.riffic@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
Dan
When politicians are mentioned by name it quickly becomes political. Obama
was clearly mentioned. Might be justifiable if as president Obama had
championed some great freedom grab. But he hasn't even taken office!
Again, let's stick with specific regulations that effect Pietenpol pilots
and avoid vague predictions of impending doom. There are plenty of places
for rants of that nature on the Internet. This isn't one of them.
Ken
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 4:27 PM, <HelsperSew@aol.com> wrote:
> Ken,
>
> I do not consider this politics. There is no partisanship here. This is a
> clear example of an over-reaching government trying to overstep their bounds
> by curtailing our individual liberties and freedoms. The only reason our
> country is the leader of the world today is freedom. Not as any result of
> what the government did "for us". All you need to do is look at Europe and
> see how little flying is done there. The government has put so many
> restrictions and taxes in place it has stifled private flying almost to
> extinction in some cases. Last summer right before Brodhead we had some
> Swiss fellows visit here at Poplar Grove. The man and his son were building
> a Hatz biplane. He told me that when they finish, they will only be able to
> fly it 20 hours per year because of the huge expenses due to the taxes,
> take-off and landing fees, and government restrictions. He was *extremely
> envious* of our freedoms here. He said that the flying-friendly atmosphere
> we enjoy here is *unheard of* in Switzerland. We must fight these clowns
> in Washington that are running the government at every
> opportunity!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *Wake up people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
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Time: 10:24:56 PM PST US
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
History repeats.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment
Clif
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From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
In a message dated 11/9/2008 8:56:37 A.M. Central Standard Time,
amsafetyc@aol.com writes:
what's this country coming to?
Good buddy, hate to tell you but it's not coming, IT'S HERE
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Dear Pieters,
I would like to apologize to everybody on this list for my inclusion of the
line in my original post referring to the new administration. It was wrong of
me to do that here. Obviously I cannot predict the future any more than
anyone else. This current proposal by the current administration does have me
worried.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 11/09/08 |
With this post the BS is really getting out of hand. Everyone please
keep your political opinions to yourself. This has been a wonderful
airplane site. Let's not ruin it! On other matters that are not
related directly to the Pietenpol, please remember to type in. DO NOT
ARCHIVE. Now, let's get back to building and flying.
Sincerely
Gene in Beautiful Tennessee
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: tbyh@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 8:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 11/09/08
I object to the attempt by some on this list to tie the Obama
administration to the new security proposals which have originated with
the HSA and BUSH ADMINISTRATION!
Obama isn't even in office and yet various people in the aviation
community are already trying to smear him, as they did during the
campaign. What a crock! Bush is the worst president ever, a liar and a
congenital screw-up and don't forget that 9/11 happened on his watch!
And he has violated the Constitution and our rights -- don't try to
claim it is Obama doing this!
Until you have proof that Obama is trying to do something detrimental
to aviation and our hobby, I suggest that statements like "It is only
going to get worse with this new administration we have," are unfounded,
a bunch of crap and have no place here. Of course, you have a right to
your opinion, but be prepared for blowback! Otherwise, I suggest we keep
politics out of this site!
FW Beseler
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1. 02:00 AM - Re: Re: Piet - GN! differences (Jeff Boatright)
2. 03:18 AM - Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
(HelsperSew@aol.com)
3. 06:55 AM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
(amsafetyc@aol.com)
4. 07:22 AM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
(Isablcorky@aol.com)
5. 02:03 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (Ken
Chambers)
6. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks
(John
Egan)
7. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? (John
Egan)
8. 02:26 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
(HelsperSew@aol.com)
9. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks
(Jack
Phillips)
10. 03:25 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (walt)
11. 03:56 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (Ryan
Mueller)
12. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks
(KMHeide,
BA, CPO, FAAOP)
13. 04:51 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (Ken
Chambers)
14. 10:24 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (Clif
Dawson)
________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
Time: 02:00:24 AM PST US
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet - GN! differences
Maybe some of us should make YouTube videos showing our various
boarding/deplaning techniques. I'll try to remember to bring my
camera to the field next time.
>...I don't have a flop on the wing so a certain technique has to be
>exercised to get in, but once that is mastered getting in and out is
>a very easy... The front cockpit is a little more snug than the
>rear, but again with the right technique it is also very simple.
>Again at my height I have no trouble at all getting in and out. My
>most common passenger is my dad and he is about 6' 2" and around 225
>lbs.
...
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
Time: 03:18:58 AM PST US
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
Dear Piet listers,
Please be advised our overreaching federal government is at it again,
slowl
y
but surely trying to erode our freedoms in the name of "safety". It is
only
going to get worse with this new administration we have. This proposal
does
not effect us directly, but we are next. Do not doubt it. Dan H.
TSA Aviation Proposals Raise Civil Liberties Questions
EAA and allies appeal for extension of comment period
October 29, 2008 =94 Upon receiving and reviewing a Notice of Propos
ed
Rulemaking (NPRM) that the Transportation Security Administration
issued to
day, EAA
immediately objected to the posted public-comment period of only 60
days. Th
e
NPRM calls for sweeping new security requirements on the operation of
all
aircraft exceeding 12,500 pounds =93 commercial and personal-use airc
raft alike.
Because of the onerous requirements and encroachment on personal
freedoms
suggested in the NPRM, EAA contends that the NPRM should have a comment
per
iod
of no less than 120 days. Several allies, including Missouri
Congressman Sa
m
Graves, an active EAA member, have joined EAA in filing objections to
the
comment period's 60-day duration.
"These proposed rules would have dramatic ramifications for aircraft
operators," said Earl Lawrence, EAA vice president of industry and
regulato
ry
affairs. =9CFurthermore, they raise serious questions in the areas of
interstate
commerce, government authority, civil liberties, and Constitutional
rights.
Rulemaking proposals that present the potential for such dramatic
consequen
ces
require more than a mere 60 days for public to study and comment on
them.
=9D
The TSA's proposed rules would impose numerous requirements on the
operator
s
of these aircraft, even those operating the aircraft for private and
personal use, including the following
* The owner/operator must assign a security director to oversee
fligh
t
operations.
* The security director must obtain TSA approval for the security
program associated with every operation of the aircraft.
* The security program must be audited and approved by the TSA.
* The owner/operator must submit fingerprints of all flight-crew
members to the TSA.
* The owner/operator must submit a passenger manifest for each
flight
to the TSA.
"Once again we're seeing an unwarranted and unrealistic hyper-focus on
airplanes as potential instruments of terror, when real-life experience
sho
ws that
trucks, automobiles, and
computers can pose equal, or even greater, threats. This is about our
nation's ongoing struggle to strike the right balance between upholding
the
personal freedoms and rights that make our country great and taking the
nec
essary
steps to address and prevent legitimate threats to our security,"
Lawrence
said.
"We haven't seen undue restrictions on the use of trucks, for example,
because there's an understanding that these are important to interstate
com
merce
and the personal freedom to move persons and objects about the country.
We
need to foster the same understanding when it comes to the role of
personal
aircraft in our society," Lawrence said. The NPRM's 60-day comment
period e
xpires
Dec. 29, 2008. If the TSA adopts the recommendation of EAA and its
allies,
the 120-day comment period would end March 31, 2009.
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Time: 06:55:06 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
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________________________________ Message 4
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Time: 07:22:45 AM PST US
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
In a message dated 11/9/2008 8:56:37 A.M. Central Standard Time,
amsafetyc@aol.com writes:
what's this country coming to?
Good buddy, hate to tell you but it's not coming, IT'S HERE
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Time: 02:03:57 PM PST US
From: "Ken Chambers" <ken.riffic@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
Politics has no place here. Lets cut the screwball predictions and stick
with the regulations.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:57 AM, <amsafetyc@aol.com> wrote:
> Wow, this in not about national security but more a out more govt
limitin
g
> our ability. Between this and the Obama civil national security agency
> proposed in his speech. We should have all our freedoms revoked or
> controlled to the point of asking permission then providing
justification
to
> exercise them.
>
> Brown shirts and papers what's this country coming to?
>
> John
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBe
>
> ------------------------------
> *From*: HelsperSew@aol.com
> *Date*: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:18:23 EST
> *To*: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject*: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
>
>
> Dear Piet listers,
>
>
> Please be advised our overreaching federal government is at it again,
> slowly but surely trying to erode our freedoms in the name of
"safety". I
t
> is only going to get worse with this new administration we have. This
> proposal does not effect us directly, but we are next. Do not doubt
it.
Dan
> H.
>
>
> TSA Aviation Proposals Raise Civil Liberties Questions
>
> *EAA and allies appeal for extension of comment period*
>
> *October 29, 2008* =97 Upon receiving and reviewing a Notice of
Proposed
> Rulemaking (NPRM) that the Transportation Security Administration
issued
> today, EAA immediately objected to the posted public-comment period of
> only 60 days. The NPRM calls for sweeping new security requirements on
th
e
> operation of *all* aircraft exceeding 12,500 pounds ' commercial and
> personal-use aircraft alike.
>
> Because of the onerous requirements and encroachment on personal
freedoms
> suggested in the NPRM, EAA contends that the NPRM should have a
comment
> period of no less than 120 days. Several allies, including Missouri
> Congressman Sam Graves, an active EAA member, have joined EAA in
filing
> objections to the comment period's 60-day duration.
>
> "These proposed rules would have dramatic ramifications for aircraft
> operators," said Earl Lawrence, EAA vice president of industry and
> regulatory affairs. "Furthermore, they raise serious questions in the
are
as
> of interstate commerce, government authority, civil liberties, and
> Constitutional rights. Rulemaking proposals that present the potential
fo
r
> such dramatic consequences require more than a mere 60 days for public
to
> study and comment on them."
> The TSA's proposed rules would impose numerous requirements on the
> operators of these aircraft, even those operating the aircraft for
privat
e
> and personal use, including the following
>
>
> - The owner/operator must assign a security director to oversee
flight
> operations.
> - The security director must obtain TSA approval for the security
> program associated with every operation of the aircraft.
> - The security program must be audited and approved by the TSA.
> - The owner/operator must submit fingerprints of all flight-crew
> members to the TSA.
> - The owner/operator must submit a passenger manifest for *each*
fligh
t
> to the TSA.
>
> "Once again we're seeing an unwarranted and unrealistic hyper-focus on
> airplanes as potential instruments of terror, when real-life
experience
> shows that trucks, automobiles, and
>
>
> computers can pose equal, or even greater, threats. This is about our
> nation's ongoing struggle to strike the right balance between
upholding t
he
> personal freedoms and rights that make our country great and taking
the
> necessary steps to address and prevent legitimate threats to our
security
,"
> Lawrence said.
>
> "We haven't seen undue restrictions on the use of trucks, for example,
> because there's an understanding that these are important to
interstate
> commerce and the personal freedom to move persons and objects about
the
> country. We need to foster the same understanding when it comes to the
ro
le
> of personal aircraft in our society," Lawrence said.
> The NPRM's 60-day comment period expires Dec. 29, 2008. If the TSA
adopts
> the recommendation of EAA and its allies, the 120-day comment period
woul
d
> end March 31, 2009.
>
>
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Time: 02:20:52 PM PST US
From: John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
Thanks
Thanks Jack for the info regarding jury strut attachment at the spar.- I
made brackets similar to yours and Mike C's.- Another topic:- Mike ment
ined to me that you tested ball valves for fuel shut off use.- I'm
instal
ling a nose tank, so I am selecting my shut off valve, actuating cable,
and
gascolator.- Do you have comments on these components?- I am especiall
y interested in learning about the controls for the valve.- Do I have to
have a locking type control for fuel?- It looks like a lot of builders
ar
e using the T handle control cable from Aircraft Spruce.- Do you know if
the control has to be lockable or positive position or can it simply be
an
actuating lever? Have you found that a hardware store bress ball valve
is c
onparable to-the mini ACS ball valve?-=0A=0ASo any thoughts you have
or
can remember are appreciated.- ball valves, controll types to actuate
th
e valve and gascolators.=0A=0AThanks again.=0A=0Ajohn
egan=0Asnow flurries
here in Wisconsion
today=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AF
rom: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>=0ATo:
pietenpol-li
st@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, November 3, 2008 3:22:48
PM=0ASubject: RE:
Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the
Spar?=0A=0A=0AJohn,=0A-
=0AHere is what I did at the spar.- I made a fitting from =BE=94 x
=BE=94
6061-T6 aluminum angle from Home Depot.- At the lift strut I did
exactly
like Don Emch, except I cut the end of the eyebolt off flush with the
lift
strut and welded it too.- Here is a picture:=0A-=0A-=0AJack
Phillips
=0ANX899JP=0ARaleigh,
NC=0A-=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AF
rom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-
server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan=0ASent: Monday, November
03, 2
008 3:44 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re:
Pietenpol-Lis
t: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?=0A-=0AThanks Don, however
I am
-curious about the attachment at the spar, not at-the strut.- What di
d you do at the spar? Any pictures of flies on the spar
attachment.=0A-
=0ACan you remind me what shade of green you painted that as well?- I
lik
e it.=0A-=0Ajohn=0Agreenville ,
wi=0A-=0A=0A___________________________
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pietenpol-list@matronics.c
om=0ASent: Monday, November 3, 2008 2:11:41 PM=0ASubject:
Pietenpol-List: R
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message poste
d by: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>=0A=0AHi John,=0A=0AThere are
several way
s to do it.- This was my method.- I welded a tube in to the strut and p
ut an eye bolt in.- Check out the fly in the picture too!-
Huh.=0A=0Aht
tp://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_149.JPG=0A=
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Time: 02:24:40 PM PST US
From: John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
Thanks Don and Dan and all on the recent answers to my jury strut
attachmen
t questions.- This all helps me very much.- Having fun finally working
on these little details.- Next steps, learning my way through the fuel
sy
stem.=0A=0AJohn e.=0Agreenville,
wi.=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________
______________=0AFrom: Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com>=0ATo:
pietenpol-list@matr
onics.com=0ASent: Monday, November 3, 2008 8:34:21 PM=0ASubject:
Pietenpol-
List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List
messag
e posted by: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>=0A=0AJohn,=0A=0ASorry
about that.
- I guess I can't tell the difference between spar and strut.- I did my
spar attachment just like Mike Cuy's.- Bent some flat stock into an
angl
e.- I think it might have been .063".- Hey Jack, yeah drilling those ra
tes right up there with drilling the spars.- Makes for a few tense
moment
s.=0A=0ADon Emch=0ANX899DE=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic
online here:=0A=0A
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_____________________________________
Time: 02:26:28 PM PST US
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
Ken,
I do not consider this politics. There is no partisanship here. This is
a
clear example of an over-reaching government trying to overstep their
bounds by
curtailing our individual liberties and freedoms. The only reason our
country
is the leader of the world today is freedom. Not as any result of what
the
government did "for us". All you need to do is look at Europe and see
how
little flying is done there. The government has put so many
restrictions and
taxes in place it has stifled private flying almost to extinction in
some
cases.
Last summer right before Brodhead we had some Swiss fellows visit here
at
Poplar Grove. The man and his son were building a Hatz biplane. He told
me that
when they finish, they will only be able to fly it 20 hours per year
because
of the huge expenses due to the taxes, take-off and landing fees, and
government restrictions. He was extremely envious of our freedoms here.
He said
that the flying-friendly atmosphere we enjoy here is unheard of in
Switzerland.
We must fight these clowns in Washington that are running the
government at
every opportunity!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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________________________________ Message 9
_____________________________________
Time: 03:13:51 PM PST US
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
Thanks
Hi John,
I ended up using a valve I bought on ebay, but was planning to use the
ball
valve ACS sells for $23 until I found the very same valve (same
manufacturer, same part number) at Home Depot for about $6. As far as I
know it should work just fine.
I positioned mine so the shutoff is in the rear cockpit, just under the
instrument panel. Kept me from having to run another flexible cable to
the
firewall.
Jack
NX899JP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Egan
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
Thanks
Thanks Jack for the info regarding jury strut attachment at the spar. I
made brackets similar to yours and Mike C's. Another topic: Mike
mentined
to me that you tested ball valves for fuel shut off use. I'm installing
a
nose tank, so I am selecting my shut off valve, actuating cable, and
gascolator. Do you have comments on these components? I am especially
interested in learning about the controls for the valve. Do I have to
have
a locking type control for fuel? It looks like a lot of builders are
using
the T handle control cable from Aircraft Spruce. Do you know if the
control
has to be lockable or positive position or can it simply be an actuating
lever? Have you found that a hardware store bress ball valve is
conparable
to the mini ACS ball valve?
So any thoughts you have or can remember are appreciated. ball valves,
controll types to actuate the valve and gascolators.
Thanks again.
john egan
snow flurries here in Wisconsion today
_____
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 3:22:48 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
John,
Here is what I did at the spar. I made a fitting from =BE=94 x
=BE=94
6061-T6
aluminum angle from Home Depot. At the lift strut I did exactly like
Don
Emch, except I cut the end of the eyebolt off flush with the lift strut
and
welded it too. Here is a picture:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Egan
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
Thanks Don, however I am curious about the attachment at the spar, not
at
the strut. What did you do at the spar? Any pictures of flies on the
spar
attachment.
Can you remind me what shade of green you painted that as well? I like
it.
john
greenville , wi
_____
From: Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 2:11:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
Hi John,
There are several ways to do it. This was my method. I welded a tube
in to
the strut and put an eye bolt in. Check out the fly in the picture too!
Huh.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_149.JPG
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic
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Time: 03:25:36 PM PST US
From: "walt" <waltdak@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
I guess I'm missing something here, but these rules are for airplanes
that weigh 6 1/4 tons.
And I further assume that these are commercial commuter flights.
I for one ,if I was getting on a commercial flight with my wife and two
small daughters, would want a flight that was completely protected from
all the out side crap that could happen to them.
Guess I'm missing something, but how does this compare to a 600# Piet?
PS I work under the wings of the "big Iron" of Newark Airport (NWK) all
the time. And it's amazing how efficiently they all run.
Obama's my man
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: amsafetyc@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
Wow, this in not about national security but more a out more govt
limiting our ability. Between this and the Obama civil national security
agency proposed in his speech. We should have all our freedoms revoked
or controlled to the point of asking permission then providing
justification to exercise them.
Brown shirts and papers what's this country coming to?
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:18:23 EST
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
Dear Piet listers,
Please be advised our overreaching federal government is at it again,
slowly but surely trying to erode our freedoms in the name of "safety".
It is only going to get worse with this new administration we have. This
proposal does not effect us directly, but we are next. Do not doubt it.
Dan H.
TSA Aviation Proposals Raise Civil Liberties Questions
EAA and allies appeal for extension of comment period
October 29, 2008 =94 Upon receiving and reviewing a Notice of
Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) that the Transportation Security
Administration issued today, EAA immediately objected to the posted
public-comment period of only 60 days. The NPRM calls for sweeping new
security requirements on the operation of all aircraft exceeding 12,500
pounds =93 commercial and personal-use aircraft alike.
Because of the onerous requirements and encroachment on personal
freedoms suggested in the NPRM, EAA contends that the NPRM should have a
comment period of no less than 120 days. Several allies, including
Missouri Congressman Sam Graves, an active EAA member, have joined EAA
in filing objections to the comment period's 60-day duration.
"These proposed rules would have dramatic ramifications for aircraft
operators," said Earl Lawrence, EAA vice president of industry and
regulatory affairs. =9CFurthermore, they raise serious questions
in the areas of interstate commerce, government authority, civil
liberties, and Constitutional rights. Rulemaking proposals that present
the potential for such dramatic consequences require more than a mere 60
days for public to study and comment on them.=9D
The TSA's proposed rules would impose numerous requirements on the
operators of these aircraft, even those operating the aircraft for
private and personal use, including the following
a.. The owner/operator must assign a security director to oversee
flight operations.
b.. The security director must obtain TSA approval for the security
program associated with every operation of the aircraft.
c.. The security program must be audited and approved by the TSA.
d.. The owner/operator must submit fingerprints of all flight-crew
members to the TSA.
e.. The owner/operator must submit a passenger manifest for each
flight to the TSA.
"Once again we're seeing an unwarranted and unrealistic hyper-focus on
airplanes as potential instruments of terror, when real-life experience
shows that trucks, automobiles, and
computers can pose equal, or even greater, threats. This is about our
nation's ongoing struggle to strike the right balance between upholding
the personal freedoms and rights that make our country great and taking
the necessary steps to address and prevent legitimate threats to our
security," Lawrence said.
"We haven't seen undue restrictions on the use of trucks, for example,
because there's an understanding that these are important to interstate
commerce and the personal freedom to move persons and objects about the
country. We need to foster the same understanding when it comes to the
role of personal aircraft in our society," Lawrence said.
The NPRM's 60-day comment period expires Dec. 29, 2008. If the TSA
adopts the recommendation of EAA and its allies, the 120-day comment
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____________________________________
Time: 03:56:06 PM PST US
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
Walt,
Per the beginning of the proposal:
http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/nprm_lasp.pdf
...the TSA wants to apply these changes to all aircraft, corporate or
private, that have a maximum certificated takeoff weight above 12,500
lbs.
The "private" portion of that proposal would hit the warbird/large
vintage
aircraft movement in particular. You can bet that non-profits would fall
under it as well, whether they consider them corporate or private.
Your scheduled or charted airline service currently has such rules in
place;
they want to extend them to all aircraft over 12,500, not just
airliners. It
matters to you if you want to see historically significant large
aircraft
continue to take to the skies at fly-ins and airshows across the
country.
The cost and BS factor in dealing with this proposal would cause many
operators (be they non-profits or individuals) to throw in the towel,
especially with the economy in the crapper.
I thank Dan for raising the large aircraft issue, but I disagree with
his
assessment of the future. This proposal is the product of the current
administration's continued war against the Constitution, our liberties,
and
our freedom. I don't know if the president-elect has the answers, but I
don't see him continuing down the path the current administration has
decided to blaze. I know I shouldn't have said that; oh well, I wanted
to
respond. I'll leave it at that. If you have an issue with what I said
politically please contact me personally and we can discuss; I'll not
air it
here any further.
I hope everyone had a good weekend. We had a blast at the Golf Company
USMC
Birthday Ball in Madison, WI (233 years and going strong!). Everyone
came
home safe, we drank far too much beer into the wee hours of the morning,
and
fun was had by all. Have a good night,
Ryan
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 5:24 PM, walt <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
> I guess I'm missing something here, but these rules are for airplanes
> that weigh 6 1/4 tons.
> And I further assume that these are commercial commuter flights.
> I for one ,if I was getting on a commercial flight with my wife and
two
> small daughters, would want a flight that was completely protected
from all
> the out side crap that could happen to them.
> Guess I'm missing something, but how does this compare to a 600# Piet?
> PS I work under the wings of the "big Iron" of Newark Airport (NWK)
all the
> time. And it's amazing how efficiently they all run.
> Obama's my man
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
________________________________ Message 12
____________________________________
Time: 04:28:24 PM PST US
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
Thanks
Jack,
-
Any possibility of attaching a few photos of the set-up and valve?
-
KM Heide
-
--- On Sun, 11/9/08, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
Thanks
Hi John,
-
I ended up using a valve I bought on ebay, but was planning to use the
ball
valve ACS sells for $23 until I found the very same valve (same
manufactur
er, same part number) at Home Depot for about $6.- As far as I know it
sh
ould work just fine.
-
I positioned mine so the shutoff is in the rear cockpit, just under the
ins
trument panel.- Kept me from having to run another flexible cable to the
firewall.
-
Jack
NX899JP
-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
Thanks
-
Thanks Jack for the info regarding jury strut attachment at the spar.- I
made brackets similar to yours and Mike C's.- Another topic:- Mike ment
ined to me that you tested ball valves for fuel shut off use.- I'm
instal
ling a nose tank, so I am selecting my shut off valve, actuating cable,
and
gascolator.- Do you have comments on these components?- I am especiall
y interested in learning about the controls for the valve.- Do I have to
have a locking type control for fuel?- It looks like a lot of builders
ar
e using the T handle control cable from Aircraft Spruce.- Do you know if
the control has to be lockable or positive position or can it simply be
an
actuating lever? Have you found that a hardware store bress ball valve
is c
onparable to-the mini ACS ball valve?-
-
So any thoughts you have or can remember are appreciated.- ball valves,
c
ontroll types to actuate the valve and gascolators.
-
Thanks again.
-
john egan
snow flurries here in Wisconsion today
-
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 3:22:48 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
John,
-
Here is what I did at the spar.- I made a fitting from =BE=94 x
=BE=94 60
61-T6 aluminum angle from Home Depot.- At the lift strut I did exactly
li
ke Don Emch, except I cut the end of the eyebolt off flush with the lift
st
rut and welded it too.- Here is a picture:
-
-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
-
Thanks Don, however I am-curious about the attachment at the spar, not
at
-the strut.- What did you do at the spar? Any pictures of flies on the
spar attachment.
-
Can you remind me what shade of green you painted that as well?- I like
i
t.
-
john
greenville , wi
-
From: Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 2:11:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?
Hi John,
There are several ways to do it.- This was my method.- I welded a tube
in to the strut and put an eye bolt in.- Check out the fly in the
picture
too!- Huh.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_149.JPG
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Time: 04:51:43 PM PST US
From: "Ken Chambers" <ken.riffic@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
Dan
When politicians are mentioned by name it quickly becomes political.
Obama
was clearly mentioned. Might be justifiable if as president Obama had
championed some great freedom grab. But he hasn't even taken office!
Again, let's stick with specific regulations that effect Pietenpol
pilots
and avoid vague predictions of impending doom. There are plenty of
places
for rants of that nature on the Internet. This isn't one of them.
Ken
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 4:27 PM, <HelsperSew@aol.com> wrote:
> Ken,
>
> I do not consider this politics. There is no partisanship here. This
is a
> clear example of an over-reaching government trying to overstep their
bounds
> by curtailing our individual liberties and freedoms. The only reason
our
> country is the leader of the world today is freedom. Not as any result
of
> what the government did "for us". All you need to do is look at Europe
and
> see how little flying is done there. The government has put so many
> restrictions and taxes in place it has stifled private flying almost
to
> extinction in some cases. Last summer right before Brodhead we had
some
> Swiss fellows visit here at Poplar Grove. The man and his son were
building
> a Hatz biplane. He told me that when they finish, they will only be
able to
> fly it 20 hours per year because of the huge expenses due to the
taxes,
> take-off and landing fees, and government restrictions. He was
*extremely
> envious* of our freedoms here. He said that the flying-friendly
atmosphere
> we enjoy here is *unheard of* in Switzerland. We must fight these
clowns
> in Washington that are running the government at every
> opportunity!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *Wake up people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
> *
>
>
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Time: 10:24:56 PM PST US
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
History repeats.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment
Clif
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From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help"
In a message dated 11/9/2008 8:56:37 A.M. Central Standard Time,
amsafetyc@aol.com writes:
what's this country coming to?
Good buddy, hate to tell you but it's not coming, IT'S HERE
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| Subject: | Re: TSA proposal |
Thanks for that Dan. The proposal has me worried enough that I am going
to rejoin AOPA (I dropped it in an effort to save money to help buy gas.
Bad decision). 100LL just went down to $3.19 a gallon here in Camden,
Tn.
Gene
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:31 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: TSA proposal
Dear Pieters,
I would like to apologize to everybody on this list for my inclusion
of the line in my original post referring to the new administration. It
was wrong of me to do that here. Obviously I cannot predict the future
any more than anyone else. This current proposal by the current
administration does have me worried.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS |
My son works for UNIT, A big drilling company. He is on one of the two newest and
biggest Oil Drilling rigs the company has. It is hydraulic (no chains, exposed
gears and so on) and has disk brakes (old systems were drum brakes and many
other improvements. It is the biggest and nicest rig he has ever worked on.
It drills much faster than the old rigs and so even with the hassle of moving such
a big rig (a 70 truck convoy if they all moved togather) it is worth it. He
says the quality of design is top notch as is the construction.
IT IS CHINESE MADE as is the other big unit. No one in the US is even trying to
make a competiter.
He and I prefer US made but we have to compete.
Steve "Buy US" D
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS
>
> Lorin. There are a number of reasons I try not to buy Chinese. I would
> take exception to the idea that Chinese metal products are as good as US.
> Example: In the oil fields and other fields that use heavy lifting
> equipment, Chinese made lifting components, such as wire, shackles, lifting
> rings, ect., are forbidden to even be in the work area. Three years ago
> North Slope Safety made every company on the North Slope of Alaska go thru
> all their lifting gear and if it was Chinese, it had to be destroyed. The
> reason? Inconsistency. As a boat Captain it way my job to make sure there
> wasn't any on my vessel or it's crane.
> In building an experimental we're free to use what every we want. The
> Chinese crankshafts may be the best in the world for now, but how about the
> next batch? I would just like for everyone to have the complete story on
> Chinese products, not just a sales job. They do have the technology, but as
> we have seen in their tooth paste, milk, Medicines, pet food, ect., they
> can't be trusted on for quality control. Since we are living in a global
> market I expect that someday the Chinese will earn our trust and I will end
> up buying Chinese products. In my opinion they have a long way to go before
> I could trust them with anything that has to do with me or my family's
> safety.
> The only thing worse than being on the ground on a beautiful day looking up
> & saying "Oh, I wish I was up there". Is being up there looking down &
> saying "Oh, I wish I was down there!" Fly Safe.
>
> Gene in Tennessee on another beautiful day.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS |
Steve, I'll bet that rig is something to see. Where's he drilling? A very
exciting job. No doubt the Chinese can build good stuff. My concern is
consistency.
Gene in Beautiful Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
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| Subject: | P.F. Beck's Piet |
Ron Lendon posted a slew of pics that he shot at Corvair College #12:
http://picasaweb.google.com/ron.lendon/CorvairCollege12#
P.F. Beck brought his Piet in on one of the days, and there are approx 8 to
10 pics of his Piet in the bunch. A bit more of an up-close look of his Piet
than I have seen before...
Ryan
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| Subject: | Virtual Engine, Magneto etc |
Sent to me. Now sent to you.
Maybe someday they'll give us the rest of the engine. :-)
Clif
Very Cool and you don't even get dirty hands!
http://www.undaerospace.com/cbt_files/virtualengine/Magneto/Virtual%20Eng
ine.swf
The only thing that helps me maintain my slender grip on reality
is the friendship I share with my collection of singing potatoes
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