---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/10/08: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:20 AM - Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution Today! (Matt Dralle) 1. 06:07 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 11/09/08 (tbyh@aol.com) 2. 07:34 AM - TSA proposal (HelsperSew@aol.com) 3. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 11/09/08 (Gene & Tammy) 4. 09:25 AM - Re: TSA proposal (Gene & Tammy) 5. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 6. 02:37 PM - Re: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS (Gene & Tammy) 7. 07:37 PM - P.F. Beck's Piet (Ryan Mueller) 8. 09:34 PM - Virtual Engine, Magneto etc (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:44 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution Today! Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors (LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription! Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 11/09/08 From: tbyh@aol.com I object to the attempt by some on this list to tie the Obama administration to the new security proposals which have originated with the HSA and BUSH ADMINISTRATION! Obama isn't even in office and yet?various people in the aviation community are already trying to smear him, as they did during the campaign. What a crock! Bush is the worst president ever, a liar and a congenital screw-up?and don't forget that 9/11 happened on his watch! And he has violated the Constitution and our rights --? don't try to claim it is Obama doing this! Until you have proof that Obama?is trying to do something detrimental to aviation and our hobby, I suggest that statements like "It is?only going to get worse with this new administration we have," are unfounded, a bunch of crap and have no place here.? Of course, you have a right to your opinion, but be prepared for blowback! Otherwise, I suggest we keep politics out of this site! FW Beseler -----Original Message----- From: Pietenpol-List Digest Server Sent: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 1:57 am Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 11/09/08 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. 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Thanks (John Egan) 7. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? (John Egan) 8. 02:26 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (HelsperSew@aol.com) 9. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks (Jack Phillips) 10. 03:25 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (walt) 11. 03:56 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (Ryan Mueller) 12. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 13. 04:51 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (Ken Chambers) 14. 10:24 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:00:24 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet - GN! differences Maybe some of us should make YouTube videos showing our various boarding/deplaning techniques. I'll try to remember to bring my camera to the field next time. >...I don't have a flop on the wing so a certain technique has to be >exercised to get in, but once that is mastered getting in and out is >a very easy... The front cockpit is a little more snug than the >rear, but again with the right technique it is also very simple. >Again at my height I have no trouble at all getting in and out. My >most common passenger is my dad and he is about 6' 2" and around 225 >lbs. ... -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:58 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" Dear Piet listers, Please be advised our overreaching federal government is at it again, slowl y but surely trying to erode our freedoms in the name of "safety". It is only going to get worse with this new administration we have. This proposal does not effect us directly, but we are next. Do not doubt it. Dan H. TSA Aviation Proposals Raise Civil Liberties Questions EAA and allies appeal for extension of comment period October 29, 2008 =94 Upon receiving and reviewing a Notice of Propos ed Rulemaking (NPRM) that the Transportation Security Administration issued to day, EAA immediately objected to the posted public-comment period of only 60 days. Th e NPRM calls for sweeping new security requirements on the operation of all aircraft exceeding 12,500 pounds =93 commercial and personal-use airc raft alike. Because of the onerous requirements and encroachment on personal freedoms suggested in the NPRM, EAA contends that the NPRM should have a comment per iod of no less than 120 days. Several allies, including Missouri Congressman Sa m Graves, an active EAA member, have joined EAA in filing objections to the comment period's 60-day duration. "These proposed rules would have dramatic ramifications for aircraft operators," said Earl Lawrence, EAA vice president of industry and regulato ry affairs. =9CFurthermore, they raise serious questions in the areas of interstate commerce, government authority, civil liberties, and Constitutional rights. Rulemaking proposals that present the potential for such dramatic consequen ces require more than a mere 60 days for public to study and comment on them. =9D The TSA's proposed rules would impose numerous requirements on the operator s of these aircraft, even those operating the aircraft for private and personal use, including the following * The owner/operator must assign a security director to oversee fligh t operations. * The security director must obtain TSA approval for the security program associated with every operation of the aircraft. * The security program must be audited and approved by the TSA. * The owner/operator must submit fingerprints of all flight-crew members to the TSA. * The owner/operator must submit a passenger manifest for each flight to the TSA. "Once again we're seeing an unwarranted and unrealistic hyper-focus on airplanes as potential instruments of terror, when real-life experience sho ws that trucks, automobiles, and computers can pose equal, or even greater, threats. This is about our nation's ongoing struggle to strike the right balance between upholding the personal freedoms and rights that make our country great and taking the nec essary steps to address and prevent legitimate threats to our security," Lawrence said. "We haven't seen undue restrictions on the use of trucks, for example, because there's an understanding that these are important to interstate com merce and the personal freedom to move persons and objects about the country. We need to foster the same understanding when it comes to the role of personal aircraft in our society," Lawrence said. The NPRM's 60-day comment period e xpires Dec. 29, 2008. If the TSA adopts the recommendation of EAA and its allies, the 120-day comment period would end March 31, 2009. **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all othe r Holiday needs. 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bWxjbnR1c3NlYXIwMDAwMDAwMSkNCg0K ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:45 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" In a message dated 11/9/2008 8:56:37 A.M. Central Standard Time, amsafetyc@aol.com writes: what's this country coming to? Good buddy, hate to tell you but it's not coming, IT'S HERE **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:57 PM PST US From: "Ken Chambers" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" Politics has no place here. Lets cut the screwball predictions and stick with the regulations. On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:57 AM, wrote: > Wow, this in not about national security but more a out more govt limitin g > our ability. Between this and the Obama civil national security agency > proposed in his speech. We should have all our freedoms revoked or > controlled to the point of asking permission then providing justification to > exercise them. > > Brown shirts and papers what's this country coming to? > > John > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBe > > ------------------------------ > *From*: HelsperSew@aol.com > *Date*: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:18:23 EST > *To*: > *Subject*: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" > > > Dear Piet listers, > > > Please be advised our overreaching federal government is at it again, > slowly but surely trying to erode our freedoms in the name of "safety". I t > is only going to get worse with this new administration we have. This > proposal does not effect us directly, but we are next. Do not doubt it. Dan > H. > > > TSA Aviation Proposals Raise Civil Liberties Questions > > *EAA and allies appeal for extension of comment period* > > *October 29, 2008* =97 Upon receiving and reviewing a Notice of Proposed > Rulemaking (NPRM) that the Transportation Security Administration issued > today, EAA immediately objected to the posted public-comment period of > only 60 days. The NPRM calls for sweeping new security requirements on th e > operation of *all* aircraft exceeding 12,500 pounds ' commercial and > personal-use aircraft alike. > > Because of the onerous requirements and encroachment on personal freedoms > suggested in the NPRM, EAA contends that the NPRM should have a comment > period of no less than 120 days. Several allies, including Missouri > Congressman Sam Graves, an active EAA member, have joined EAA in filing > objections to the comment period's 60-day duration. > > "These proposed rules would have dramatic ramifications for aircraft > operators," said Earl Lawrence, EAA vice president of industry and > regulatory affairs. "Furthermore, they raise serious questions in the are as > of interstate commerce, government authority, civil liberties, and > Constitutional rights. Rulemaking proposals that present the potential fo r > such dramatic consequences require more than a mere 60 days for public to > study and comment on them." > The TSA's proposed rules would impose numerous requirements on the > operators of these aircraft, even those operating the aircraft for privat e > and personal use, including the following > > > - The owner/operator must assign a security director to oversee flight > operations. > - The security director must obtain TSA approval for the security > program associated with every operation of the aircraft. > - The security program must be audited and approved by the TSA. > - The owner/operator must submit fingerprints of all flight-crew > members to the TSA. > - The owner/operator must submit a passenger manifest for *each* fligh t > to the TSA. > > "Once again we're seeing an unwarranted and unrealistic hyper-focus on > airplanes as potential instruments of terror, when real-life experience > shows that trucks, automobiles, and > > > computers can pose equal, or even greater, threats. This is about our > nation's ongoing struggle to strike the right balance between upholding t he > personal freedoms and rights that make our country great and taking the > necessary steps to address and prevent legitimate threats to our security ," > Lawrence said. > > "We haven't seen undue restrictions on the use of trucks, for example, > because there's an understanding that these are important to interstate > commerce and the personal freedom to move persons and objects about the > country. We need to foster the same understanding when it comes to the ro le > of personal aircraft in our society," Lawrence said. > The NPRM's 60-day comment period expires Dec. 29, 2008. If the TSA adopts > the recommendation of EAA and its allies, the 120-day comment period woul d > end March 31, 2009. > > > ------------------------------ > AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday > needs. Search Now. > ===================== * > > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:20:52 PM PST US From: John Egan Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks Thanks Jack for the info regarding jury strut attachment at the spar.- I made brackets similar to yours and Mike C's.- Another topic:- Mike ment ined to me that you tested ball valves for fuel shut off use.- I'm instal ling a nose tank, so I am selecting my shut off valve, actuating cable, and gascolator.- Do you have comments on these components?- I am especiall y interested in learning about the controls for the valve.- Do I have to have a locking type control for fuel?- It looks like a lot of builders ar e using the T handle control cable from Aircraft Spruce.- Do you know if the control has to be lockable or positive position or can it simply be an actuating lever? Have you found that a hardware store bress ball valve is c onparable to-the mini ACS ball valve?-=0A=0ASo any thoughts you have or can remember are appreciated.- ball valves, controll types to actuate th e valve and gascolators.=0A=0AThanks again.=0A=0Ajohn egan=0Asnow flurries here in Wisconsion today=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AF rom: "Phillips, Jack" =0ATo: pietenpol-li st@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, November 3, 2008 3:22:48 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?=0A=0A=0AJohn,=0A- =0AHere is what I did at the spar.- I made a fitting from =BE=94 x =BE=94 6061-T6 aluminum angle from Home Depot.- At the lift strut I did exactly like Don Emch, except I cut the end of the eyebolt off flush with the lift strut and welded it too.- Here is a picture:=0A-=0A-=0AJack Phillips =0ANX899JP=0ARaleigh, NC=0A-=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AF rom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan=0ASent: Monday, November 03, 2 008 3:44 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-Lis t: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?=0A-=0AThanks Don, however I am -curious about the attachment at the spar, not at-the strut.- What di d you do at the spar? Any pictures of flies on the spar attachment.=0A- =0ACan you remind me what shade of green you painted that as well?- I lik e it.=0A-=0Ajohn=0Agreenville , wi=0A-=0A=0A___________________________ _____=0A=0AFrom:Don Emch =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.c om=0ASent: Monday, November 3, 2008 2:11:41 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: R e: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message poste d by: "Don Emch" =0A=0AHi John,=0A=0AThere are several way s to do it.- This was my method.- I welded a tube in to the strut and p ut an eye bolt in.- Check out the fly in the picture too!- Huh.=0A=0Aht tp://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_149.JPG=0A=0ADo n Emch=0ANX899DE=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic =0A =0A =0A_______________ __________________________________=0A=0AThis message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary=0Aor otherwise priva te information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender =0Aimmediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you i s prohibited.=0A=0ADansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japane se - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:40 PM PST US From: John Egan Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks Don and Dan and all on the recent answers to my jury strut attachmen t questions.- This all helps me very much.- Having fun finally working on these little details.- Next steps, learning my way through the fuel sy stem.=0A=0AJohn e.=0Agreenville, wi.=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________ ______________=0AFrom: Don Emch =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matr onics.com=0ASent: Monday, November 3, 2008 8:34:21 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol- List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List messag e posted by: "Don Emch" =0A=0AJohn,=0A=0ASorry about that. - I guess I can't tell the difference between spar and strut.- I did my spar attachment just like Mike Cuy's.- Bent some flat stock into an angl e.- I think it might have been .063".- Hey Jack, yeah drilling those ra tes right up there with drilling the spars.- Makes for a few tense moment s.=0A=0ADon Emch=0ANX899DE=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0A http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212190#212190=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =========================0A ======0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:28 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" Ken, I do not consider this politics. There is no partisanship here. This is a clear example of an over-reaching government trying to overstep their bounds by curtailing our individual liberties and freedoms. The only reason our country is the leader of the world today is freedom. Not as any result of what the government did "for us". All you need to do is look at Europe and see how little flying is done there. The government has put so many restrictions and taxes in place it has stifled private flying almost to extinction in some cases. Last summer right before Brodhead we had some Swiss fellows visit here at Poplar Grove. The man and his son were building a Hatz biplane. He told me that when they finish, they will only be able to fly it 20 hours per year because of the huge expenses due to the taxes, take-off and landing fees, and government restrictions. He was extremely envious of our freedoms here. He said that the flying-friendly atmosphere we enjoy here is unheard of in Switzerland. We must fight these clowns in Washington that are running the government at every opportunity!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up people!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:51 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks Hi John, I ended up using a valve I bought on ebay, but was planning to use the ball valve ACS sells for $23 until I found the very same valve (same manufacturer, same part number) at Home Depot for about $6. As far as I know it should work just fine. I positioned mine so the shutoff is in the rear cockpit, just under the instrument panel. Kept me from having to run another flexible cable to the firewall. Jack NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:20 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks Thanks Jack for the info regarding jury strut attachment at the spar. I made brackets similar to yours and Mike C's. Another topic: Mike mentined to me that you tested ball valves for fuel shut off use. I'm installing a nose tank, so I am selecting my shut off valve, actuating cable, and gascolator. Do you have comments on these components? I am especially interested in learning about the controls for the valve. Do I have to have a locking type control for fuel? It looks like a lot of builders are using the T handle control cable from Aircraft Spruce. Do you know if the control has to be lockable or positive position or can it simply be an actuating lever? Have you found that a hardware store bress ball valve is conparable to the mini ACS ball valve? So any thoughts you have or can remember are appreciated. ball valves, controll types to actuate the valve and gascolators. Thanks again. john egan snow flurries here in Wisconsion today _____ From: "Phillips, Jack" Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 3:22:48 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? John, Here is what I did at the spar. I made a fitting from =BE=94 x =BE=94 6061-T6 aluminum angle from Home Depot. At the lift strut I did exactly like Don Emch, except I cut the end of the eyebolt off flush with the lift strut and welded it too. Here is a picture: Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:44 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks Don, however I am curious about the attachment at the spar, not at the strut. What did you do at the spar? Any pictures of flies on the spar attachment. Can you remind me what shade of green you painted that as well? I like it. john greenville , wi _____ From: Don Emch Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 2:11:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Hi John, There are several ways to do it. This was my method. I welded a tube in to the strut and put an eye bolt in. Check out the fly in the picture too! Huh. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_149.JPG Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediate. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:36 PM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" I guess I'm missing something here, but these rules are for airplanes that weigh 6 1/4 tons. And I further assume that these are commercial commuter flights. I for one ,if I was getting on a commercial flight with my wife and two small daughters, would want a flight that was completely protected from all the out side crap that could happen to them. Guess I'm missing something, but how does this compare to a 600# Piet? PS I work under the wings of the "big Iron" of Newark Airport (NWK) all the time. And it's amazing how efficiently they all run. Obama's my man walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: amsafetyc@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" Wow, this in not about national security but more a out more govt limiting our ability. Between this and the Obama civil national security agency proposed in his speech. We should have all our freedoms revoked or controlled to the point of asking permission then providing justification to exercise them. Brown shirts and papers what's this country coming to? John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: HelsperSew@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:18:23 EST To: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" Dear Piet listers, Please be advised our overreaching federal government is at it again, slowly but surely trying to erode our freedoms in the name of "safety". It is only going to get worse with this new administration we have. This proposal does not effect us directly, but we are next. Do not doubt it. Dan H. TSA Aviation Proposals Raise Civil Liberties Questions EAA and allies appeal for extension of comment period October 29, 2008 =94 Upon receiving and reviewing a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) that the Transportation Security Administration issued today, EAA immediately objected to the posted public-comment period of only 60 days. The NPRM calls for sweeping new security requirements on the operation of all aircraft exceeding 12,500 pounds =93 commercial and personal-use aircraft alike. Because of the onerous requirements and encroachment on personal freedoms suggested in the NPRM, EAA contends that the NPRM should have a comment period of no less than 120 days. Several allies, including Missouri Congressman Sam Graves, an active EAA member, have joined EAA in filing objections to the comment period's 60-day duration. "These proposed rules would have dramatic ramifications for aircraft operators," said Earl Lawrence, EAA vice president of industry and regulatory affairs. =9CFurthermore, they raise serious questions in the areas of interstate commerce, government authority, civil liberties, and Constitutional rights. Rulemaking proposals that present the potential for such dramatic consequences require more than a mere 60 days for public to study and comment on them.=9D The TSA's proposed rules would impose numerous requirements on the operators of these aircraft, even those operating the aircraft for private and personal use, including the following a.. The owner/operator must assign a security director to oversee flight operations. b.. The security director must obtain TSA approval for the security program associated with every operation of the aircraft. c.. The security program must be audited and approved by the TSA. d.. The owner/operator must submit fingerprints of all flight-crew members to the TSA. e.. The owner/operator must submit a passenger manifest for each flight to the TSA. "Once again we're seeing an unwarranted and unrealistic hyper-focus on airplanes as potential instruments of terror, when real-life experience shows that trucks, automobiles, and computers can pose equal, or even greater, threats. This is about our nation's ongoing struggle to strike the right balance between upholding the personal freedoms and rights that make our country great and taking the necessary steps to address and prevent legitimate threats to our security," Lawrence said. "We haven't seen undue restrictions on the use of trucks, for example, because there's an understanding that these are important to interstate commerce and the personal freedom to move persons and objects about the country. We need to foster the same understanding when it comes to the role of personal aircraft in our society," Lawrence said. The NPRM's 60-day comment period expires Dec. 29, 2008. If the TSA adopts the recommendation of EAA and its allies, the 120-day comment period would end March 31, 2009. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. ====================== =EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD,=03g=EF=BD=EF=BD ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:56:06 PM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" Walt, Per the beginning of the proposal: http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/nprm_lasp.pdf ...the TSA wants to apply these changes to all aircraft, corporate or private, that have a maximum certificated takeoff weight above 12,500 lbs. The "private" portion of that proposal would hit the warbird/large vintage aircraft movement in particular. You can bet that non-profits would fall under it as well, whether they consider them corporate or private. Your scheduled or charted airline service currently has such rules in place; they want to extend them to all aircraft over 12,500, not just airliners. It matters to you if you want to see historically significant large aircraft continue to take to the skies at fly-ins and airshows across the country. The cost and BS factor in dealing with this proposal would cause many operators (be they non-profits or individuals) to throw in the towel, especially with the economy in the crapper. I thank Dan for raising the large aircraft issue, but I disagree with his assessment of the future. This proposal is the product of the current administration's continued war against the Constitution, our liberties, and our freedom. I don't know if the president-elect has the answers, but I don't see him continuing down the path the current administration has decided to blaze. I know I shouldn't have said that; oh well, I wanted to respond. I'll leave it at that. If you have an issue with what I said politically please contact me personally and we can discuss; I'll not air it here any further. I hope everyone had a good weekend. We had a blast at the Golf Company USMC Birthday Ball in Madison, WI (233 years and going strong!). Everyone came home safe, we drank far too much beer into the wee hours of the morning, and fun was had by all. Have a good night, Ryan On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 5:24 PM, walt wrote: > I guess I'm missing something here, but these rules are for airplanes > that weigh 6 1/4 tons. > And I further assume that these are commercial commuter flights. > I for one ,if I was getting on a commercial flight with my wife and two > small daughters, would want a flight that was completely protected from all > the out side crap that could happen to them. > Guess I'm missing something, but how does this compare to a 600# Piet? > PS I work under the wings of the "big Iron" of Newark Airport (NWK) all the > time. And it's amazing how efficiently they all run. > Obama's my man > walt evans > NX140DL > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:24 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks Jack, - Any possibility of attaching a few photos of the set-up and valve? - KM Heide - --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Jack Phillips wrote: From: Jack Phillips Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks Hi John, - I ended up using a valve I bought on ebay, but was planning to use the ball valve ACS sells for $23 until I found the very same valve (same manufactur er, same part number) at Home Depot for about $6.- As far as I know it sh ould work just fine. - I positioned mine so the shutoff is in the rear cockpit, just under the ins trument panel.- Kept me from having to run another flexible cable to the firewall. - Jack NX899JP - From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:20 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks - Thanks Jack for the info regarding jury strut attachment at the spar.- I made brackets similar to yours and Mike C's.- Another topic:- Mike ment ined to me that you tested ball valves for fuel shut off use.- I'm instal ling a nose tank, so I am selecting my shut off valve, actuating cable, and gascolator.- Do you have comments on these components?- I am especiall y interested in learning about the controls for the valve.- Do I have to have a locking type control for fuel?- It looks like a lot of builders ar e using the T handle control cable from Aircraft Spruce.- Do you know if the control has to be lockable or positive position or can it simply be an actuating lever? Have you found that a hardware store bress ball valve is c onparable to-the mini ACS ball valve?- - So any thoughts you have or can remember are appreciated.- ball valves, c ontroll types to actuate the valve and gascolators. - Thanks again. - john egan snow flurries here in Wisconsion today - From: "Phillips, Jack" Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 3:22:48 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? John, - Here is what I did at the spar.- I made a fitting from =BE=94 x =BE=94 60 61-T6 aluminum angle from Home Depot.- At the lift strut I did exactly li ke Don Emch, except I cut the end of the eyebolt off flush with the lift st rut and welded it too.- Here is a picture: - - Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC - From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:44 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? - Thanks Don, however I am-curious about the attachment at the spar, not at -the strut.- What did you do at the spar? Any pictures of flies on the spar attachment. - Can you remind me what shade of green you painted that as well?- I like i t. - john greenville , wi - From: Don Emch Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 2:11:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Hi John, There are several ways to do it.- This was my method.- I welded a tube in to the strut and put an eye bolt in.- Check out the fly in the picture too!- Huh. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_149.JPG Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic - --_________________________________________________ -This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privi leged, proprietaryor otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the senderimmediate. -Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chr ef="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:43 PM PST US From: "Ken Chambers" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" Dan When politicians are mentioned by name it quickly becomes political. Obama was clearly mentioned. Might be justifiable if as president Obama had championed some great freedom grab. But he hasn't even taken office! Again, let's stick with specific regulations that effect Pietenpol pilots and avoid vague predictions of impending doom. There are plenty of places for rants of that nature on the Internet. This isn't one of them. Ken On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 4:27 PM, wrote: > Ken, > > I do not consider this politics. There is no partisanship here. This is a > clear example of an over-reaching government trying to overstep their bounds > by curtailing our individual liberties and freedoms. The only reason our > country is the leader of the world today is freedom. Not as any result of > what the government did "for us". All you need to do is look at Europe and > see how little flying is done there. The government has put so many > restrictions and taxes in place it has stifled private flying almost to > extinction in some cases. Last summer right before Brodhead we had some > Swiss fellows visit here at Poplar Grove. The man and his son were building > a Hatz biplane. He told me that when they finish, they will only be able to > fly it 20 hours per year because of the huge expenses due to the taxes, > take-off and landing fees, and government restrictions. He was *extremely > envious* of our freedoms here. He said that the flying-friendly atmosphere > we enjoy here is *unheard of* in Switzerland. We must fight these clowns > in Washington that are running the government at every > opportunity!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *Wake up people!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > * > > > ------------------------------ > AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all > other2x1200798498/aol?redir > http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from-aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001">Search Now. > > * > > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:56 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" History repeats. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" In a message dated 11/9/2008 8:56:37 A.M. Central Standard Time, amsafetyc@aol.com writes: what's this country coming to? Good buddy, hate to tell you but it's not coming, IT'S HERE ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 11/9/2008 2:14 PM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:11 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: TSA proposal Dear Pieters, I would like to apologize to everybody on this list for my inclusion of the line in my original post referring to the new administration. It was wrong of me to do that here. Obviously I cannot predict the future any more than anyone else. This current proposal by the current administration does have me worried. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:39 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 11/09/08 With this post the BS is really getting out of hand. Everyone please keep your political opinions to yourself. This has been a wonderful airplane site. Let's not ruin it! On other matters that are not related directly to the Pietenpol, please remember to type in. DO NOT ARCHIVE. Now, let's get back to building and flying. Sincerely Gene in Beautiful Tennessee DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: tbyh@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 8:04 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 11/09/08 I object to the attempt by some on this list to tie the Obama administration to the new security proposals which have originated with the HSA and BUSH ADMINISTRATION! Obama isn't even in office and yet various people in the aviation community are already trying to smear him, as they did during the campaign. What a crock! Bush is the worst president ever, a liar and a congenital screw-up and don't forget that 9/11 happened on his watch! And he has violated the Constitution and our rights -- don't try to claim it is Obama doing this! Until you have proof that Obama is trying to do something detrimental to aviation and our hobby, I suggest that statements like "It is only going to get worse with this new administration we have," are unfounded, a bunch of crap and have no place here. Of course, you have a right to your opinion, but be prepared for blowback! Otherwise, I suggest we keep politics out of this site! FW Beseler -----Original Message----- From: Pietenpol-List Digest Server To: Pietenpol-List Digest List Sent: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 1:57 am Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 11/09/08 * Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. 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Thanks (John Egan) 7. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? (John Egan) 8. 02:26 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (HelsperSew@aol.com) 9. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks (Jack Phillips) 10. 03:25 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (walt) 11. 03:56 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (Ryan Mueller) 12. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 13. 04:51 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (Ken Chambers) 14. 10:24 PM - Re: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:00:24 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet - GN! differences Maybe some of us should make YouTube videos showing our various boarding/deplaning techniques. I'll try to remember to bring my camera to the field next time. >...I don't have a flop on the wing so a certain technique has to be >exercised to get in, but once that is mastered getting in and out is >a very easy... The front cockpit is a little more snug than the >rear, but again with the right technique it is also very simple. >Again at my height I have no trouble at all getting in and out. My >most common passenger is my dad and he is about 6' 2" and around 225 >lbs. ... -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:58 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" Dear Piet listers, Please be advised our overreaching federal government is at it again, slowl y but surely trying to erode our freedoms in the name of "safety". It is only going to get worse with this new administration we have. This proposal does not effect us directly, but we are next. Do not doubt it. Dan H. TSA Aviation Proposals Raise Civil Liberties Questions EAA and allies appeal for extension of comment period October 29, 2008 =94 Upon receiving and reviewing a Notice of Propos ed Rulemaking (NPRM) that the Transportation Security Administration issued to day, EAA immediately objected to the posted public-comment period of only 60 days. Th e NPRM calls for sweeping new security requirements on the operation of all aircraft exceeding 12,500 pounds =93 commercial and personal-use airc raft alike. Because of the onerous requirements and encroachment on personal freedoms suggested in the NPRM, EAA contends that the NPRM should have a comment per iod of no less than 120 days. Several allies, including Missouri Congressman Sa m Graves, an active EAA member, have joined EAA in filing objections to the comment period's 60-day duration. "These proposed rules would have dramatic ramifications for aircraft operators," said Earl Lawrence, EAA vice president of industry and regulato ry affairs. =9CFurthermore, they raise serious questions in the areas of interstate commerce, government authority, civil liberties, and Constitutional rights. Rulemaking proposals that present the potential for such dramatic consequen ces require more than a mere 60 days for public to study and comment on them. =9D The TSA's proposed rules would impose numerous requirements on the operator s of these aircraft, even those operating the aircraft for private and personal use, including the following * The owner/operator must assign a security director to oversee fligh t operations. * The security director must obtain TSA approval for the security program associated with every operation of the aircraft. * The security program must be audited and approved by the TSA. * The owner/operator must submit fingerprints of all flight-crew members to the TSA. * The owner/operator must submit a passenger manifest for each flight to the TSA. "Once again we're seeing an unwarranted and unrealistic hyper-focus on airplanes as potential instruments of terror, when real-life experience sho ws that trucks, automobiles, and computers can pose equal, or even greater, threats. This is about our nation's ongoing struggle to strike the right balance between upholding the personal freedoms and rights that make our country great and taking the nec essary steps to address and prevent legitimate threats to our security," Lawrence said. "We haven't seen undue restrictions on the use of trucks, for example, because there's an understanding that these are important to interstate com merce and the personal freedom to move persons and objects about the country. We need to foster the same understanding when it comes to the role of personal aircraft in our society," Lawrence said. The NPRM's 60-day comment period e xpires Dec. 29, 2008. If the TSA adopts the recommendation of EAA and its allies, the 120-day comment period would end March 31, 2009. **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all othe r Holiday needs. 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Central Standard Time, amsafetyc@aol.com writes: what's this country coming to? Good buddy, hate to tell you but it's not coming, IT'S HERE **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:57 PM PST US From: "Ken Chambers" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" Politics has no place here. Lets cut the screwball predictions and stick with the regulations. On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:57 AM, wrote: > Wow, this in not about national security but more a out more govt limitin g > our ability. Between this and the Obama civil national security agency > proposed in his speech. We should have all our freedoms revoked or > controlled to the point of asking permission then providing justification to > exercise them. > > Brown shirts and papers what's this country coming to? > > John > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBe > > ------------------------------ > *From*: HelsperSew@aol.com > *Date*: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:18:23 EST > *To*: > *Subject*: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" > > > Dear Piet listers, > > > Please be advised our overreaching federal government is at it again, > slowly but surely trying to erode our freedoms in the name of "safety". I t > is only going to get worse with this new administration we have. This > proposal does not effect us directly, but we are next. Do not doubt it. Dan > H. > > > TSA Aviation Proposals Raise Civil Liberties Questions > > *EAA and allies appeal for extension of comment period* > > *October 29, 2008* =97 Upon receiving and reviewing a Notice of Proposed > Rulemaking (NPRM) that the Transportation Security Administration issued > today, EAA immediately objected to the posted public-comment period of > only 60 days. The NPRM calls for sweeping new security requirements on th e > operation of *all* aircraft exceeding 12,500 pounds ' commercial and > personal-use aircraft alike. > > Because of the onerous requirements and encroachment on personal freedoms > suggested in the NPRM, EAA contends that the NPRM should have a comment > period of no less than 120 days. Several allies, including Missouri > Congressman Sam Graves, an active EAA member, have joined EAA in filing > objections to the comment period's 60-day duration. > > "These proposed rules would have dramatic ramifications for aircraft > operators," said Earl Lawrence, EAA vice president of industry and > regulatory affairs. "Furthermore, they raise serious questions in the are as > of interstate commerce, government authority, civil liberties, and > Constitutional rights. Rulemaking proposals that present the potential fo r > such dramatic consequences require more than a mere 60 days for public to > study and comment on them." > The TSA's proposed rules would impose numerous requirements on the > operators of these aircraft, even those operating the aircraft for privat e > and personal use, including the following > > > - The owner/operator must assign a security director to oversee flight > operations. > - The security director must obtain TSA approval for the security > program associated with every operation of the aircraft. > - The security program must be audited and approved by the TSA. > - The owner/operator must submit fingerprints of all flight-crew > members to the TSA. > - The owner/operator must submit a passenger manifest for *each* fligh t > to the TSA. > > "Once again we're seeing an unwarranted and unrealistic hyper-focus on > airplanes as potential instruments of terror, when real-life experience > shows that trucks, automobiles, and > > > computers can pose equal, or even greater, threats. This is about our > nation's ongoing struggle to strike the right balance between upholding t he > personal freedoms and rights that make our country great and taking the > necessary steps to address and prevent legitimate threats to our security ," > Lawrence said. > > "We haven't seen undue restrictions on the use of trucks, for example, > because there's an understanding that these are important to interstate > commerce and the personal freedom to move persons and objects about the > country. We need to foster the same understanding when it comes to the ro le > of personal aircraft in our society," Lawrence said. > The NPRM's 60-day comment period expires Dec. 29, 2008. If the TSA adopts > the recommendation of EAA and its allies, the 120-day comment period woul d > end March 31, 2009. > > > ------------------------------ > AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday > needs. Search Now. > ===================== * > > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:20:52 PM PST US From: John Egan Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks Thanks Jack for the info regarding jury strut attachment at the spar.- I made brackets similar to yours and Mike C's.- Another topic:- Mike ment ined to me that you tested ball valves for fuel shut off use.- I'm instal ling a nose tank, so I am selecting my shut off valve, actuating cable, and gascolator.- Do you have comments on these components?- I am especiall y interested in learning about the controls for the valve.- Do I have to have a locking type control for fuel?- It looks like a lot of builders ar e using the T handle control cable from Aircraft Spruce.- Do you know if the control has to be lockable or positive position or can it simply be an actuating lever? Have you found that a hardware store bress ball valve is c onparable to-the mini ACS ball valve?-=0A=0ASo any thoughts you have or can remember are appreciated.- ball valves, controll types to actuate th e valve and gascolators.=0A=0AThanks again.=0A=0Ajohn egan=0Asnow flurries here in Wisconsion today=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AF rom: "Phillips, Jack" =0ATo: pietenpol-li st@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, November 3, 2008 3:22:48 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?=0A=0A=0AJohn,=0A- =0AHere is what I did at the spar.- I made a fitting from =BE=94 x =BE=94 6061-T6 aluminum angle from Home Depot.- At the lift strut I did exactly like Don Emch, except I cut the end of the eyebolt off flush with the lift strut and welded it too.- Here is a picture:=0A-=0A-=0AJack Phillips =0ANX899JP=0ARaleigh, NC=0A-=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AF rom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan=0ASent: Monday, November 03, 2 008 3:44 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-Lis t: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?=0A-=0AThanks Don, however I am -curious about the attachment at the spar, not at-the strut.- What di d you do at the spar? Any pictures of flies on the spar attachment.=0A- =0ACan you remind me what shade of green you painted that as well?- I lik e it.=0A-=0Ajohn=0Agreenville , wi=0A-=0A=0A___________________________ _____=0A=0AFrom:Don Emch =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.c om=0ASent: Monday, November 3, 2008 2:11:41 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: R e: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message poste d by: "Don Emch" =0A=0AHi John,=0A=0AThere are several way s to do it.- This was my method.- I welded a tube in to the strut and p ut an eye bolt in.- Check out the fly in the picture too!- Huh.=0A=0Aht tp://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_149.JPG=0A= 0ADo n Emch=0ANX899DE=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic =0A =0A =0A_______________ __________________________________=0A=0AThis message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary=0Aor otherwise priva te information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender =0Aimmediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you i s prohibited.=0A=0ADansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japane se - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:40 PM PST US From: John Egan Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks Don and Dan and all on the recent answers to my jury strut attachmen t questions.- This all helps me very much.- Having fun finally working on these little details.- Next steps, learning my way through the fuel sy stem.=0A=0AJohn e.=0Agreenville, wi.=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________ ______________=0AFrom: Don Emch =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matr onics.com=0ASent: Monday, November 3, 2008 8:34:21 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol- List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar?=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List messag e posted by: "Don Emch" =0A=0AJohn,=0A=0ASorry about that. - I guess I can't tell the difference between spar and strut.- I did my spar attachment just like Mike Cuy's.- Bent some flat stock into an angl e.- I think it might have been .063".- Hey Jack, yeah drilling those ra tes right up there with drilling the spars.- Makes for a few tense moment s.=0A=0ADon Emch=0ANX899DE=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0A http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212190#212190=0A=0A=0 A=0A=0A 0A ======0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:28 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" Ken, I do not consider this politics. There is no partisanship here. This is a clear example of an over-reaching government trying to overstep their bounds by curtailing our individual liberties and freedoms. The only reason our country is the leader of the world today is freedom. Not as any result of what the government did "for us". All you need to do is look at Europe and see how little flying is done there. The government has put so many restrictions and taxes in place it has stifled private flying almost to extinction in some cases. Last summer right before Brodhead we had some Swiss fellows visit here at Poplar Grove. The man and his son were building a Hatz biplane. He told me that when they finish, they will only be able to fly it 20 hours per year because of the huge expenses due to the taxes, take-off and landing fees, and government restrictions. He was extremely envious of our freedoms here. He said that the flying-friendly atmosphere we enjoy here is unheard of in Switzerland. We must fight these clowns in Washington that are running the government at every opportunity!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up people!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:51 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks Hi John, I ended up using a valve I bought on ebay, but was planning to use the ball valve ACS sells for $23 until I found the very same valve (same manufacturer, same part number) at Home Depot for about $6. As far as I know it should work just fine. I positioned mine so the shutoff is in the rear cockpit, just under the instrument panel. Kept me from having to run another flexible cable to the firewall. Jack NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:20 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks Thanks Jack for the info regarding jury strut attachment at the spar. I made brackets similar to yours and Mike C's. Another topic: Mike mentined to me that you tested ball valves for fuel shut off use. I'm installing a nose tank, so I am selecting my shut off valve, actuating cable, and gascolator. Do you have comments on these components? I am especially interested in learning about the controls for the valve. Do I have to have a locking type control for fuel? It looks like a lot of builders are using the T handle control cable from Aircraft Spruce. Do you know if the control has to be lockable or positive position or can it simply be an actuating lever? Have you found that a hardware store bress ball valve is conparable to the mini ACS ball valve? So any thoughts you have or can remember are appreciated. ball valves, controll types to actuate the valve and gascolators. Thanks again. john egan snow flurries here in Wisconsion today _____ From: "Phillips, Jack" Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 3:22:48 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? John, Here is what I did at the spar. I made a fitting from =BE=94 x =BE=94 6061-T6 aluminum angle from Home Depot. At the lift strut I did exactly like Don Emch, except I cut the end of the eyebolt off flush with the lift strut and welded it too. Here is a picture: Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:44 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks Don, however I am curious about the attachment at the spar, not at the strut. What did you do at the spar? Any pictures of flies on the spar attachment. Can you remind me what shade of green you painted that as well? I like it. john greenville , wi _____ From: Don Emch Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 2:11:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Hi John, There are several ways to do it. This was my method. I welded a tube in to the strut and put an eye bolt in. Check out the fly in the picture too! Huh. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_149.JPG Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediate. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:36 PM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" I guess I'm missing something here, but these rules are for airplanes that weigh 6 1/4 tons. And I further assume that these are commercial commuter flights. I for one ,if I was getting on a commercial flight with my wife and two small daughters, would want a flight that was completely protected from all the out side crap that could happen to them. Guess I'm missing something, but how does this compare to a 600# Piet? PS I work under the wings of the "big Iron" of Newark Airport (NWK) all the time. And it's amazing how efficiently they all run. Obama's my man walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: amsafetyc@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" Wow, this in not about national security but more a out more govt limiting our ability. Between this and the Obama civil national security agency proposed in his speech. We should have all our freedoms revoked or controlled to the point of asking permission then providing justification to exercise them. Brown shirts and papers what's this country coming to? John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: HelsperSew@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:18:23 EST To: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" Dear Piet listers, Please be advised our overreaching federal government is at it again, slowly but surely trying to erode our freedoms in the name of "safety". It is only going to get worse with this new administration we have. This proposal does not effect us directly, but we are next. Do not doubt it. Dan H. TSA Aviation Proposals Raise Civil Liberties Questions EAA and allies appeal for extension of comment period October 29, 2008 =94 Upon receiving and reviewing a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) that the Transportation Security Administration issued today, EAA immediately objected to the posted public-comment period of only 60 days. The NPRM calls for sweeping new security requirements on the operation of all aircraft exceeding 12,500 pounds =93 commercial and personal-use aircraft alike. Because of the onerous requirements and encroachment on personal freedoms suggested in the NPRM, EAA contends that the NPRM should have a comment period of no less than 120 days. Several allies, including Missouri Congressman Sam Graves, an active EAA member, have joined EAA in filing objections to the comment period's 60-day duration. "These proposed rules would have dramatic ramifications for aircraft operators," said Earl Lawrence, EAA vice president of industry and regulatory affairs. =9CFurthermore, they raise serious questions in the areas of interstate commerce, government authority, civil liberties, and Constitutional rights. Rulemaking proposals that present the potential for such dramatic consequences require more than a mere 60 days for public to study and comment on them.=9D The TSA's proposed rules would impose numerous requirements on the operators of these aircraft, even those operating the aircraft for private and personal use, including the following a.. The owner/operator must assign a security director to oversee flight operations. b.. The security director must obtain TSA approval for the security program associated with every operation of the aircraft. c.. The security program must be audited and approved by the TSA. d.. The owner/operator must submit fingerprints of all flight-crew members to the TSA. e.. The owner/operator must submit a passenger manifest for each flight to the TSA. "Once again we're seeing an unwarranted and unrealistic hyper-focus on airplanes as potential instruments of terror, when real-life experience shows that trucks, automobiles, and computers can pose equal, or even greater, threats. This is about our nation's ongoing struggle to strike the right balance between upholding the personal freedoms and rights that make our country great and taking the necessary steps to address and prevent legitimate threats to our security," Lawrence said. "We haven't seen undue restrictions on the use of trucks, for example, because there's an understanding that these are important to interstate commerce and the personal freedom to move persons and objects about the country. We need to foster the same understanding when it comes to the role of personal aircraft in our society," Lawrence said. The NPRM's 60-day comment period expires Dec. 29, 2008. If the TSA adopts the recommendation of EAA and its allies, the 120-day comment period would end March 31, 2009. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. ====================== =EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD,=03g=EF=BD=EF=BD ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:56:06 PM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" Walt, Per the beginning of the proposal: http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/nprm_lasp.pdf ...the TSA wants to apply these changes to all aircraft, corporate or private, that have a maximum certificated takeoff weight above 12,500 lbs. The "private" portion of that proposal would hit the warbird/large vintage aircraft movement in particular. You can bet that non-profits would fall under it as well, whether they consider them corporate or private. Your scheduled or charted airline service currently has such rules in place; they want to extend them to all aircraft over 12,500, not just airliners. It matters to you if you want to see historically significant large aircraft continue to take to the skies at fly-ins and airshows across the country. The cost and BS factor in dealing with this proposal would cause many operators (be they non-profits or individuals) to throw in the towel, especially with the economy in the crapper. I thank Dan for raising the large aircraft issue, but I disagree with his assessment of the future. This proposal is the product of the current administration's continued war against the Constitution, our liberties, and our freedom. I don't know if the president-elect has the answers, but I don't see him continuing down the path the current administration has decided to blaze. I know I shouldn't have said that; oh well, I wanted to respond. I'll leave it at that. If you have an issue with what I said politically please contact me personally and we can discuss; I'll not air it here any further. I hope everyone had a good weekend. We had a blast at the Golf Company USMC Birthday Ball in Madison, WI (233 years and going strong!). Everyone came home safe, we drank far too much beer into the wee hours of the morning, and fun was had by all. Have a good night, Ryan On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 5:24 PM, walt wrote: > I guess I'm missing something here, but these rules are for airplanes > that weigh 6 1/4 tons. > And I further assume that these are commercial commuter flights. > I for one ,if I was getting on a commercial flight with my wife and two > small daughters, would want a flight that was completely protected from all > the out side crap that could happen to them. > Guess I'm missing something, but how does this compare to a 600# Piet? > PS I work under the wings of the "big Iron" of Newark Airport (NWK) all the > time. And it's amazing how efficiently they all run. > Obama's my man > walt evans > NX140DL > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:24 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks Jack, - Any possibility of attaching a few photos of the set-up and valve? - KM Heide - --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Jack Phillips wrote: From: Jack Phillips Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks Hi John, - I ended up using a valve I bought on ebay, but was planning to use the ball valve ACS sells for $23 until I found the very same valve (same manufactur er, same part number) at Home Depot for about $6.- As far as I know it sh ould work just fine. - I positioned mine so the shutoff is in the rear cockpit, just under the ins trument panel.- Kept me from having to run another flexible cable to the firewall. - Jack NX899JP - From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:20 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks - Thanks Jack for the info regarding jury strut attachment at the spar.- I made brackets similar to yours and Mike C's.- Another topic:- Mike ment ined to me that you tested ball valves for fuel shut off use.- I'm instal ling a nose tank, so I am selecting my shut off valve, actuating cable, and gascolator.- Do you have comments on these components?- I am especiall y interested in learning about the controls for the valve.- Do I have to have a locking type control for fuel?- It looks like a lot of builders ar e using the T handle control cable from Aircraft Spruce.- Do you know if the control has to be lockable or positive position or can it simply be an actuating lever? Have you found that a hardware store bress ball valve is c onparable to-the mini ACS ball valve?- - So any thoughts you have or can remember are appreciated.- ball valves, c ontroll types to actuate the valve and gascolators. - Thanks again. - john egan snow flurries here in Wisconsion today - From: "Phillips, Jack" Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 3:22:48 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? John, - Here is what I did at the spar.- I made a fitting from =BE=94 x =BE=94 60 61-T6 aluminum angle from Home Depot.- At the lift strut I did exactly li ke Don Emch, except I cut the end of the eyebolt off flush with the lift st rut and welded it too.- Here is a picture: - - Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC - From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:44 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? - Thanks Don, however I am-curious about the attachment at the spar, not at -the strut.- What did you do at the spar? Any pictures of flies on the spar attachment. - Can you remind me what shade of green you painted that as well?- I like i t. - john greenville , wi - From: Don Emch Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 2:11:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Hi John, There are several ways to do it.- This was my method.- I welded a tube in to the strut and put an eye bolt in.- Check out the fly in the picture too!- Huh. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_149.JPG Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic - --_________________________________________________ -This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privi leged, proprietaryor otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the senderimmediate. -Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c hr ef="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro ni cs.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:43 PM PST US From: "Ken Chambers" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" Dan When politicians are mentioned by name it quickly becomes political. Obama was clearly mentioned. Might be justifiable if as president Obama had championed some great freedom grab. But he hasn't even taken office! Again, let's stick with specific regulations that effect Pietenpol pilots and avoid vague predictions of impending doom. There are plenty of places for rants of that nature on the Internet. This isn't one of them. Ken On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 4:27 PM, wrote: > Ken, > > I do not consider this politics. There is no partisanship here. This is a > clear example of an over-reaching government trying to overstep their bounds > by curtailing our individual liberties and freedoms. The only reason our > country is the leader of the world today is freedom. Not as any result of > what the government did "for us". All you need to do is look at Europe and > see how little flying is done there. The government has put so many > restrictions and taxes in place it has stifled private flying almost to > extinction in some cases. Last summer right before Brodhead we had some > Swiss fellows visit here at Poplar Grove. The man and his son were building > a Hatz biplane. He told me that when they finish, they will only be able to > fly it 20 hours per year because of the huge expenses due to the taxes, > take-off and landing fees, and government restrictions. He was *extremely > envious* of our freedoms here. He said that the flying-friendly atmosphere > we enjoy here is *unheard of* in Switzerland. We must fight these clowns > in Washington that are running the government at every > opportunity!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *Wake up people!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > * > > > ------------------------------ > AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all > other2x1200798498/aol?redir > http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from-aol-search/?ncid =emlcntussear00000001">Search Now. > > * > > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:56 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" History repeats. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Beware- the feds are coming to "help" In a message dated 11/9/2008 8:56:37 A.M. Central Standard Time, amsafetyc@aol.com writes: what's this country coming to? Good buddy, hate to tell you but it's not coming, IT'S HERE ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 11/9/2008 2:14 PM ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 11/6/2008 7:58 AM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:50 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TSA proposal Thanks for that Dan. The proposal has me worried enough that I am going to rejoin AOPA (I dropped it in an effort to save money to help buy gas. Bad decision). 100LL just went down to $3.19 a gallon here in Camden, Tn. Gene DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: HelsperSew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:31 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: TSA proposal Dear Pieters, I would like to apologize to everybody on this list for my inclusion of the line in my original post referring to the new administration. It was wrong of me to do that here. Obviously I cannot predict the future any more than anyone else. This current proposal by the current administration does have me worried. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs.l?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from- aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001 ">Search Now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 11/6/2008 7:58 AM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:36 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS My son works for UNIT, A big drilling company. He is on one of the two newest and biggest Oil Drilling rigs the company has. It is hydraulic (no chains, exposed gears and so on) and has disk brakes (old systems were drum brakes and many other improvements. It is the biggest and nicest rig he has ever worked on. It drills much faster than the old rigs and so even with the hassle of moving such a big rig (a 70 truck convoy if they all moved togather) it is worth it. He says the quality of design is top notch as is the construction. IT IS CHINESE MADE as is the other big unit. No one in the US is even trying to make a competiter. He and I prefer US made but we have to compete. Steve "Buy US" D ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS > > Lorin. There are a number of reasons I try not to buy Chinese. I would > take exception to the idea that Chinese metal products are as good as US. > Example: In the oil fields and other fields that use heavy lifting > equipment, Chinese made lifting components, such as wire, shackles, lifting > rings, ect., are forbidden to even be in the work area. Three years ago > North Slope Safety made every company on the North Slope of Alaska go thru > all their lifting gear and if it was Chinese, it had to be destroyed. The > reason? Inconsistency. As a boat Captain it way my job to make sure there > wasn't any on my vessel or it's crane. > In building an experimental we're free to use what every we want. The > Chinese crankshafts may be the best in the world for now, but how about the > next batch? I would just like for everyone to have the complete story on > Chinese products, not just a sales job. They do have the technology, but as > we have seen in their tooth paste, milk, Medicines, pet food, ect., they > can't be trusted on for quality control. Since we are living in a global > market I expect that someday the Chinese will earn our trust and I will end > up buying Chinese products. In my opinion they have a long way to go before > I could trust them with anything that has to do with me or my family's > safety. > The only thing worse than being on the ground on a beautiful day looking up > & saying "Oh, I wish I was up there". Is being up there looking down & > saying "Oh, I wish I was down there!" Fly Safe. > > Gene in Tennessee on another beautiful day. > > Do Not Archive > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:45 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS Steve, I'll bet that rig is something to see. Where's he drilling? A very exciting job. No doubt the Chinese can build good stuff. My concern is consistency. Gene in Beautiful Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:36 PM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Pietenpol-List: P.F. Beck's Piet Ron Lendon posted a slew of pics that he shot at Corvair College #12: http://picasaweb.google.com/ron.lendon/CorvairCollege12# P.F. Beck brought his Piet in on one of the days, and there are approx 8 to 10 pics of his Piet in the bunch. A bit more of an up-close look of his Piet than I have seen before... Ryan ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:47 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Virtual Engine, Magneto etc Sent to me. Now sent to you. 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