---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/11/08: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:07 AM - Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS (Brady) 2. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks (Phillips, Jack) 3. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 4. 02:26 PM - Re: Icom A22 / GPS 12 garmin (Gene Rambo) 5. 02:39 PM - Re: Icom A22 / GPS 12 garmin (Gene Rambo) 6. 05:02 PM - Veterans Day (Patrick Panzera) 7. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 8. 06:28 PM - Re: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS (amsafetyc@aol.com) 9. 08:23 PM - Re: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS (Owen Davies) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS From: "Brady" The Port of Seattle got 4 or 5 new Cargo Cranes built and installed several years ago (1998?) and they are the largest Cargo Cranes on the west coast I believe. I remember it was a big deal. Their origin? China. I think they have some Chinese lifting gear on them? :) No problems that I am aware of so far, I know they keep them fairly busy. You would think that they would do their home work if they were spending that kind of money, and they had that much at stake. Shut a major Port down for a day and see what happens. Talk about a choke hold. The bottom line is if you go with the lowest bidder that's what you get. If you expect better quality you will have to pay for it. -------- Brady McCormick Poulsbo, WA www.magnificentmachine.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213533#213533 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:19:03 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks From: "Phillips, Jack" My fuel system is fairly complicated, due to the fact that I have all the f uel in the centersection (I like a large gravity head to provide fuel press ure), and I have a fuel pickup in each corner of the tank (my old Cessna 14 0 taught me that with one pickup in the tank, low fuel levels and strange a ngles of attack could produce periods of sphincter-clinch). So I have four lines all feeding down to the rear cockpit, where they merge into one line that goes into the fuel shutoff valve. From there the fuel flows forward to the gascolator mounted on the firewall, at the low point of the system. Here is my fuel shutoff valve, located on the back of the front seat bulkh ead below the rear instrument panel: Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:27 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks Jack, Any possibility of attaching a few photos of the set-up and valve? KM Heide --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Jack Phillips wrote: From: Jack Phillips Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks Hi John, I ended up using a valve I bought on ebay, but was planning to use the ball valve ACS sells for $23 until I found the very same valve (same manufactur er, same part number) at Home Depot for about $6. As far as I know it shou ld work just fine. I positioned mine so the shutoff is in the rear cockpit, just under the ins trument panel. Kept me from having to run another flexible cable to the fi rewall. Jack NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:20 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks Thanks Jack for the info regarding jury strut attachment at the spar. I ma de brackets similar to yours and Mike C's. Another topic: Mike mentined t o me that you tested ball valves for fuel shut off use. I'm installing a n ose tank, so I am selecting my shut off valve, actuating cable, and gascola tor. Do you have comments on these components? I am especially interested in learning about the controls for the valve. Do I have to have a locking type control for fuel? It looks like a lot of builders are using the T ha ndle control cable from Aircraft Spruce. Do you know if the control has to be lockable or positive position or can it simply be an actuating lever? H ave you found that a hardware store bress ball valve is conparable to the m ini ACS ball valve? So any thoughts you have or can remember are appreciated. ball valves, con troll types to actuate the valve and gascolators. Thanks again. john egan snow flurries here in Wisconsion today _____ From: "Phillips, Jack" Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 3:22:48 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? John, Here is what I did at the spar. I made a fitting from =BE" x =BE" 6061-T6 aluminum angle from Home Depot. At the lift strut I did exactly like Don E mch, except I cut the end of the eyebolt off flush with the lift strut and welded it too. Here is a picture: Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:44 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? Thanks Don, however I am curious about the attachment at the spar, not at t he strut. What did you do at the spar? Any pictures of flies on the spar a ttachment. Can you remind me what shade of green you painted that as well? I like it. john greenville , wi _____ From: Don Emch Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 2:11:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury Strut Attachment at the Spar? mchAir@aol.com> > Hi John, There are several ways to do it. This was my method. I welded a tube in t o the strut and put an eye bolt in. Check out the fly in the picture too! Huh. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_149.JPG Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please no tify the sender immediate. 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Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:32 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS We just put him on a Southwest flight back to work. he said the rig cost 27 million dollars. He said it has about 2 US made parts. I guess that the company only had to be consistant two times. I myself would simply like to keep the jobs here. Blue Skies and buy US Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS > > Steve, I'll bet that rig is something to see. Where's he drilling? A very > exciting job. No doubt the Chinese can build good stuff. My concern is > consistency. > Gene in Beautiful Tennessee > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" < > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:39 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Icom A22 / GPS 12 garmin I am SO, SO, SO sorry!!! By the time I got home last week I was feeling rotten. I left the next morning and was gone on a four day trip, all the while suffering a cold, but trying to hang in there. I completely forgot to call you back, and I apologize. If you still have the radio, I will take it. If you already sold it, I completely understand. Please forgive me! This is not like me. 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Section 9 of Title 4 United States Code, was amended to > reflect such action when the US President signed HR4986 National Defense > Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 into law on 28 January 2008. > > U.S. Senator Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) praised the passage by unanimous consent > of his bill (S.1877) clarifying U.S. law to allow veterans and servicemen > not in uniform to salute the flag > > "I look forward to seeing those who have served saluting proudly at > baseball games, parades, and formal events. I believe this is an > appropriate way to honor and recognize the 25 million veterans in the > United States who have served in the military and remain as role models to > others citizens. Those who are currently serving or have served in the > military have earned this right, and their recognition will be an > inspiration to others." > > ALL Veterans should 'Hand Salute' the flag, instead of holding hand over > heart, to show to all that they are a Veteran and not a civilian. > > You do not have to remove your hat if covered, Salute, in an honored > respect for your military service. Indoors or outdoors, this rule applies. > In uniform, or in civilian clothes, this rule applies. > > Civilians should still remove their covers and hold it over their breast. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:32 PM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS Back around 1980-1981 I worked on some rigs in Oklahoma. Think they only cost 2-3 million at the time. Not real high tech stuff. Amazing how much more they cost nowadays. Back then they were "dry hole" tax write offs for rich cotton farmers. dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS > > > We just put him on a Southwest flight back to work. he said the rig cost > 27 million dollars. He said it has about 2 US made parts. I guess that the > company only had to be consistant two times. > > I myself would simply like to keep the jobs here. > > Blue Skies and buy US > Steve D > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gene & Tammy > Date: Monday, November 10, 2008 16:48 > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > >> >> Steve, I'll bet that rig is something to see. Where's he drilling? A >> very >> exciting job. No doubt the Chinese can build good stuff. My concern is >> consistency. >> Gene in Beautiful Tennessee >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" < >> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS From: amsafetyc@aol.com I sure am glad that board police did not discover that the content has little to do with forged cranks and less to do with building Pietenpol aeroplanes. Not unless those too are being imported from China and sold as would be American aircraft. Does that have any political, social or economic substance that needs to be avoided? Smile son we don't want to disconcert the masses. John ------Original Message------ From: Dennis Engelkenjohn Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Nov 11, 2008 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS Back around 1980-1981 I worked on some rigs in Oklahoma. Think they only cost 2-3 million at the time. Not real high tech stuff. Amazing how much more they cost nowadays. Back then they were "dry hole" tax write offs for rich cotton farmers. dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS > > > We just put him on a Southwest flight back to work. he said the rig cost > 27 million dollars. He said it has about 2 US made parts. I guess that the > company only had to be consistant two times. > > I myself would simply like to keep the jobs here. > > Blue Skies and buy US > Steve D > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gene & Tammy > Date: Monday, November 10, 2008 16:48 > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > >> >> Steve, I'll bet that rig is something to see. Where's he drilling? A >> very >> exciting job. No doubt the Chinese can build good stuff. My concern is >> consistency. >> Gene in Beautiful Tennessee >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" < >> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> >> >> >> > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:17 PM PST US From: Owen Davies Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORGED 4340 CORVAIR CRANKSHAFTS amsafetyc@aol.com wrote: > Does that have any political, social or economic substance that needs to be avoided? That's just the problem. If it's substance, most of us don't mind it. If it's needlessly inflammatory BS... 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