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1. 06:19 AM - vortex generators (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 07:03 AM - Update & Alert: Continental A-80 Engine to be sold (Roy Brooks)
3. 07:46 AM - Re: Update & Alert: Continental A-80 Engine to be sold (Roy Brooks)
4. 07:50 AM - Re: Update & Alert: Continental A-80 Engine to be sold (Roy Brooks)
5. 07:51 AM - Re: vortex generators (Steve Ruse)
6. 08:18 AM - Credit Cards-- a serious SCAM-- no joke-- beware -- off subject (Tim Willis)
7. 08:32 AM - vortex generators (Oscar Zuniga)
8. 10:02 AM - Re: stall speeds (Lagowski Morrow)
9. 10:03 AM - Re: No nails in spars (Lagowski Morrow)
10. 01:00 PM - Re: No nails in spars (walt)
11. 02:38 PM - Re: No nails in spars (Michael Perez)
12. 02:42 PM - In case you did not notice... (Michael Perez)
13. 03:00 PM - Re: In case you did not notice... (Richard Schreiber)
14. 03:20 PM - Re: In case you did not notice... (Michael Groah)
15. 08:09 PM - Re: In case you did not notice... (amsafetyc@aol.com)
16. 09:50 PM - Re: In case you did not notice... (Richard Schreiber)
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| Subject: | vortex generators |
My VGs are Landshorter's premolded polycarbonate ones, available from my friends Joa Harrison and his wife, at http://www.landshorter.com
If you want to home-brew your own, Jack Hart's website has good details on fabrication
and installation
as he made them for his Kolb Firefly. The photo and narrative sequence begins here: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly18.html
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Update & Alert: Continental A-80 Engine to be sold |
I received an e-mail this weekend from a friend advising an A&P had looked
at my video and my engine has two connecting rods (bottoms can be seen with
oil holes facing the wrong way) and there are odd rocker arms... (one of t
he reasons I wanted to be as up-front on showing the pictures and video...
glad this was spotted before I place this up for sale or donate to an aviat
ion museum as a static piece never to be flown again. I recall seeing insi
de the engine case 3-1941 and I suspect this engine ---or at least the case
--- may have been in a trainer during WW2.
I can state that when we opened the packaged rocker arms=2C we called AEA i
n Dallas (where we bought them) and asked them why the rocker arms didn't a
ll look alike. They told us that rocker arms for the "A" series engines are
available in several styles (old and new) and that they are interchangeabl
e. Don't know if this is "kosher" but I've heard from other sources that ro
cker arms (and other parts like brand-new camshafts) are getting harder and
harder to find these days... There may be some validity to this=2C but I a
m no expert on the subject and I advise being skeptical. They might all nee
d to be matched?
This being said=2C this engine "project" has a lot of really good parts. I'
m wondering if I should disassemble it and sell off the parts? Any suggesti
ons!
I simply don't want the liability if some stranger buys this=2C stabs it on
an airplane=2C crashes and lawyers start showing up on my front door. My o
ther concern is if someone I don't know (as in a scoundrel) buys this and r
esells it on Ebay as an airworthy=2C ready to stab engine.
(My old "Worlds Fastest" Cherokee was sold in the 1990s to a great guy who
moved to Florida=2C a hurricane came in=2C flooded the Cherokee up to and i
nside the cockpit=2C inside the wing-roots and tailcone. AIG "totaled" the
Cherokee=2C sold it." Wentwurth (misspelled on purpose) bought it=2C sold i
t again and the Cherokee is flying again=2C despite having been exposed to
salt water and sitting in a humid Florida environment for 5 months until AI
G could settle the claim. The salt content was so evident=2C it changed the
color of the carpet. It looked like th salt had "wicked" up pretty darned
high. I found the Cherokee on Ebay being advertised basically as "pristine
" "worlds fastest Cherokee" not a "rust dog.") I for one don't think that i
s very reputable and thus my reasoning for trying to be as "communicative"
about my A-80 engine.
One other observation by the mechanic who saw my video... the rings on a Ce
rmanil engine are different than rings on a regular chrome (and I believe a
regular steel jug.) I recall when we bought the rings for this engine=2C w
e were assured they were the right rings for the nickle-bore process. That'
s why I took pictures of the rings being placed in the slots=2C and trying
to show the numbers on the rings (top ring=2C 2nd down=2C 3rd down 4th down
=2C 5th down=2C) In fact=2C my logbook reflects this entry=2C "TOP RING=2C
22206. 2nd 3555A=2C 3rd 35551=2C 4th 3595=2C 5th Ring 3595." The top ring
(if memory serves me correct=2C and please understand I have a hard time re
membering where I put my car keys on many days) is the "oddball ring" and I
think has a higher molybdenum content in it. I recall their saying someth
ing along the lines of "chrome rings won't work in a nickle bore cylinder"
thus our being so demanding when we were buying the right piston rings. The
logbook also has entries concerning the part numbers of the oil pump kit
=2C #21343=2C #3562=2C #21160=2C #2456.
One thing I like about nickle over the chrome process is I've had step-wear
problems in previous engines with chrome jugs. Also=2C nickle holds oil re
siduals on the surface better than chrome. I flew a Cherokee years ago that
sprung a leak=2C dumping all the oil overboard (call me Capt. Exxon Vladez
) and that engine had the Cermnil jugs. Teardown showed the crankshaft was
shot=2C but the jugs looked pretty darned good. We sent them back to ECI=2C
they did a simply refurb (installed valves etc) and the jugs went back on
the 0-320 Lycoming. Chrome and Iron cylinders may have held up just fine (w
ithout oil) but I was so impressed that I was able to milk the engine to a
runway=2C I became a big fan of nickel lined cylinders...
Last question=2C I think I'd like to keep the logbook and simply give the s
ales-receipts and yellow tags to the buyer. The logbook is dated Oct. 21
=2C 2005 (my birthday) and for nothing more than sentimentality=2C it has s
ome significance for me.
Observations=2C comments and indulgence are very much appreciated. I guess
this is like that TV show=2C DEAL or NO DEAL... Should I DISSEMBLE or NO
DISSEMBLE? and then sale?
_________________________________________________________________
Stay up to date on your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile phone with Windows
Live
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| Subject: | Update & Alert: Continental A-80 Engine to be sold |
I'm not seeing the "two connecting rods" bottoms facing the wrong way... Ju
st wanted to clear this up. I must be jinxed in more ways than one.... AGGG
H.
From: n900ml@hotmail.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update & Alert: Continental A-80 Engine to be sold
I received an e-mail this weekend from a friend advising an A&P had looked
at my video and my engine has two connecting rods (bottoms can be seen with
oil holes facing the wrong way) and there are odd rocker arms... (one of t
he reasons I wanted to be as up-front on showing the pictures and video...
glad this was spotted before I place this up for sale or donate to an aviat
ion museum as a static piece never to be flown again. I recall seeing insi
de the engine case 3-1941 and I suspect this engine ---or at least the case
--- may have been in a trainer during WW2.
I can state that when we opened the packaged rocker arms=2C we called AEA i
n Dallas (where we bought them) and asked them why the rocker arms didn't a
ll look alike. They told us that rocker arms for the "A" series engines are
available in several styles (old and new) and that they are interchangeabl
e. Don't know if this is "kosher" but I've heard from other sources that ro
cker arms (and other parts like brand-new camshafts) are getting harder and
harder to find these days... There may be some validity to this=2C but I a
m no expert on the subject and I advise being skeptical. They might all nee
d to be matched?
This being said=2C this engine "project" has a lot of really good parts. I'
m wondering if I should disassemble it and sell off the parts? Any suggesti
ons!
I simply don't want the liability if some stranger buys this=2C stabs it on
an airplane=2C crashes and lawyers start showing up on my front door. My o
ther concern is if someone I don't know (as in a scoundrel) buys this and r
esells it on Ebay as an airworthy=2C ready to stab engine.
(My old "Worlds Fastest" Cherokee was sold in the 1990s to a great guy who
moved to Florida=2C a hurricane came in=2C flooded the Cherokee up to and i
nside the cockpit=2C inside the wing-roots and tailcone. AIG "totaled" the
Cherokee=2C sold it." Wentwurth (misspelled on purpose) bought it=2C sold i
t again and the Cherokee is flying again=2C despite having been exposed to
salt water and sitting in a humid Florida environment for 5 months until AI
G could settle the claim. The salt content was so evident=2C it changed the
color of the carpet. It looked like th salt had "wicked" up pretty darned
high. I found the Cherokee on Ebay being advertised basically as "pristine
" "worlds fastest Cherokee" not a "rust dog.") I for one don't think that i
s very reputable and thus my reasoning for trying to be as "communicative"
about my A-80 engine.
One other observation by the mechanic who saw my video... the rings on a Ce
rmanil engine are different than rings on a regular chrome (and I believe a
regular steel jug.) I recall when we bought the rings for this engine=2C w
e were assured they were the right rings for the nickle-bore process. That'
s why I took pictures of the rings being placed in the slots=2C and trying
to show the numbers on the rings (top ring=2C 2nd down=2C 3rd down 4th down
=2C 5th down=2C) In fact=2C my logbook reflects this entry=2C "TOP RING=2C
22206. 2nd 3555A=2C 3rd 35551=2C 4th 3595=2C 5th Ring 3595." The top ring
(if memory serves me correct=2C and please understand I have a hard time re
membering where I put my car keys on many days) is the "oddball ring" and I
think has a higher molybdenum content in it. I recall their saying someth
ing along the lines of "chrome rings won't work in a nickle bore cylinder"
thus our being so demanding when we were buying the right piston rings. The
logbook also has entries concerning the part numbers of the oil pump kit
=2C #21343=2C #3562=2C #21160=2C #2456.
One thing I like about nickle over the chrome process is I've had step-wear
problems in previous engines with chrome jugs. Also=2C nickle holds oil re
siduals on the surface better than chrome. I flew a Cherokee years ago that
sprung a leak=2C dumping all the oil overboard (call me Capt. Exxon Vladez
) and that engine had the Cermnil jugs. Teardown showed the crankshaft was
shot=2C but the jugs looked pretty darned good. We sent them back to ECI=2C
they did a simply refurb (installed valves etc) and the jugs went back on
the 0-320 Lycoming. Chrome and Iron cylinders may have held up just fine (w
ithout oil) but I was so impressed that I was able to milk the engine to a
runway=2C I became a big fan of nickel lined cylinders...
Last question=2C I think I'd like to keep the logbook and simply give the s
ales-receipts and yellow tags to the buyer. The logbook is dated Oct. 21
=2C 2005 (my birthday) and for nothing more than sentimentality=2C it has s
ome significance for me.
Observations=2C comments and indulgence are very much appreciated. I guess
this is like that TV show=2C DEAL or NO DEAL... Should I DISSEMBLE or NO
DISSEMBLE? and then sale?
Stay up to date on your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile phone with Windows
Live <>Click here
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| Subject: | Update & Alert: Continental A-80 Engine to be sold |
A lot of my text is NOT showing up in my original post. For some reason=2C
the text I placed in Bold or Italics or in a color other than BLACK doesn't
make it through Mattronics and back to my e-mail=2C so if anyone needs cla
rity on this=2C please send me an e-mail off the list and I can send the or
iginal text direct to you=2C bypassing the list.
Sorry for the error and 3 posts in ONE DAY...
I hope to take some action on this be weeks-end and decide to part it out t
o put on Ebay or not.
From: n900ml@hotmail.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update & Alert: Continental A-80 Engine to be sold
I received an e-mail this weekend from a friend advising an A&P had looked
at my video and my engine has two connecting rods (bottoms can be seen with
oil holes facing the wrong way) and there are odd rocker arms... (one of t
he reasons I wanted to be as up-front on showing the pictures and video...
glad this was spotted before I place this up for sale or donate to an aviat
ion museum as a static piece never to be flown again. I recall seeing insi
de the engine case 3-1941 and I suspect this engine ---or at least the case
--- may have been in a trainer during WW2.
I can state that when we opened the packaged rocker arms=2C we called AEA i
n Dallas (where we bought them) and asked them why the rocker arms didn't a
ll look alike. They told us that rocker arms for the "A" series engines are
available in several styles (old and new) and that they are interchangeabl
e. Don't know if this is "kosher" but I've heard from other sources that ro
cker arms (and other parts like brand-new camshafts) are getting harder and
harder to find these days... There may be some validity to this=2C but I a
m no expert on the subject and I advise being skeptical. They might all nee
d to be matched?
This being said=2C this engine "project" has a lot of really good parts. I'
m wondering if I should disassemble it and sell off the parts? Any suggesti
ons!
I simply don't want the liability if some stranger buys this=2C stabs it on
an airplane=2C crashes and lawyers start showing up on my front door. My o
ther concern is if someone I don't know (as in a scoundrel) buys this and r
esells it on Ebay as an airworthy=2C ready to stab engine.
(My old "Worlds Fastest" Cherokee was sold in the 1990s to a great guy who
moved to Florida=2C a hurricane came in=2C flooded the Cherokee up to and i
nside the cockpit=2C inside the wing-roots and tailcone. AIG "totaled" the
Cherokee=2C sold it." Wentwurth (misspelled on purpose) bought it=2C sold i
t again and the Cherokee is flying again=2C despite having been exposed to
salt water and sitting in a humid Florida environment for 5 months until AI
G could settle the claim. The salt content was so evident=2C it changed the
color of the carpet. It looked like th salt had "wicked" up pretty darned
high. I found the Cherokee on Ebay being advertised basically as "pristine
" "worlds fastest Cherokee" not a "rust dog.") I for one don't think that i
s very reputable and thus my reasoning for trying to be as "communicative"
about my A-80 engine.
One other observation by the mechanic who saw my video... the rings on a Ce
rmanil engine are different than rings on a regular chrome (and I believe a
regular steel jug.) I recall when we bought the rings for this engine=2C w
e were assured they were the right rings for the nickle-bore process. That'
s why I took pictures of the rings being placed in the slots=2C and trying
to show the numbers on the rings (top ring=2C 2nd down=2C 3rd down 4th down
=2C 5th down=2C) In fact=2C my logbook reflects this entry=2C "TOP RING=2C
22206. 2nd 3555A=2C 3rd 35551=2C 4th 3595=2C 5th Ring 3595." The top ring
(if memory serves me correct=2C and please understand I have a hard time re
membering where I put my car keys on many days) is the "oddball ring" and I
think has a higher molybdenum content in it. I recall their saying someth
ing along the lines of "chrome rings won't work in a nickle bore cylinder"
thus our being so demanding when we were buying the right piston rings. The
logbook also has entries concerning the part numbers of the oil pump kit
=2C #21343=2C #3562=2C #21160=2C #2456.
One thing I like about nickle over the chrome process is I've had step-wear
problems in previous engines with chrome jugs. Also=2C nickle holds oil re
siduals on the surface better than chrome. I flew a Cherokee years ago that
sprung a leak=2C dumping all the oil overboard (call me Capt. Exxon Vladez
) and that engine had the Cermnil jugs. Teardown showed the crankshaft was
shot=2C but the jugs looked pretty darned good. We sent them back to ECI=2C
they did a simply refurb (installed valves etc) and the jugs went back on
the 0-320 Lycoming. Chrome and Iron cylinders may have held up just fine (w
ithout oil) but I was so impressed that I was able to milk the engine to a
runway=2C I became a big fan of nickel lined cylinders...
Last question=2C I think I'd like to keep the logbook and simply give the s
ales-receipts and yellow tags to the buyer. The logbook is dated Oct. 21
=2C 2005 (my birthday) and for nothing more than sentimentality=2C it has s
ome significance for me.
Observations=2C comments and indulgence are very much appreciated. I guess
this is like that TV show=2C DEAL or NO DEAL... Should I DISSEMBLE or NO
DISSEMBLE? and then sale?
Stay up to date on your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile phone with Windows
Live <>Click here
_________________________________________________________________
See how Windows=AE connects the people=2C information=2C and fun that are p
art of your life
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| Subject: | Re: vortex generators |
Oscar,
Are those VGs on your Piet? Can you tell us how they changed its
flight characteristics?
Thanks,
Steve Ruse
Quoting Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>:
>
>
> My VGs are Landshorter's premolded polycarbonate ones, available
> from my friends Joa Harrison and his wife, at
> http://www.landshorter.com
>
> If you want to home-brew your own, Jack Hart's website has good
> details on fabrication and installation
> as he made them for his Kolb Firefly. The photo and narrative
> sequence begins here:
> http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly18.html
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Credit Cards-- a serious SCAM-- no joke-- beware -- off |
subject
This is off-subject re Piets, but might save you some bucks. I got this from my
brother-in-law, but did not check it out myself on snopes. However, it sounds
like a valid and potent scam to me. Beware.
Tim in central TX on Piet site
do not archive
==============
Credit Card Scam
<http://snopes.com/> Snopes.com <http://snopes.com/%3e>
<http://snopes.com/> says this is true. To verify see this site:
<http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/creditcard.asp>
http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/creditcard.asp
This one is pretty slick since they provide YOU with all the information,
except the one piece they want.
Note, the callers do not ask for your card number; they already have it..
This information is worth reading. By understanding how the VISA & Master
Card Telephon e Credit Card Scam works, you'll be better prepared to
protect yourself.
One of our employees was called on Wednesday from 'VISA', and I was called
on Thursday from 'Master Card'. The scam works like this: Caller: 'This
is
(name), and I'm calling from the Security and Fraud Department at VISA. My
Badge number is 12460. Your card has been flagged for an unusual purchase
pattern, and I'm calling to verify. This would be on your VISA card which
was issued by (name of bank). Did you purchase an Anti-Telemarketing Device
for $497.99 from a Marketing company based in Arizona ?'
When you say 'No', the call er continues with, 'Then we will be issuing
a
credit to your account. This is a company we have been watching and the
charges range from $297 to $497, just under the $500 purchase pattern that
flags most cards. Before your next statement, the credit will be sent to
(gives you your address), is that correct?'
You say 'yes'. The caller continues - 'I will be starting a Fraud
investigation. If you have any questions, you should call the 1- 800 number
listed on the back of your card (1-800 -VISA) and ask for Security.'
You will need to refer to this Control Number. The caller then gives you a
6 digit number. 'Do you need me to read it again?'
Here's the IMPORTANT part on how the scam works. The caller then says, 'I
need to verify you are in possession of your card'. He'll ask you to 'turn
your card over and look for some numbers'. There are 7 numbers; the first 4
are part of your card number, the next 3 are the security Numbers that
verify you are the possessor of the card. These are the numbers you
sometimes use to make Internet purchases to prove you have the card. The
caller will ask you to read the 3 numbers to him. After you tell the caller
the 3 numbers, he'll say, 'That is correct, I just needed to verify that
the
card has not been lost or stolen, and that you still have your card. Do you
have any other questions?' After you say No, the caller then thanks you and
states, 'Don't hesitate to call back if you do, and hangs up.
You actually say very little, and they never ask for or tell you the Card
number. But after we were called on Wednesday, we called back within 20
minutes to ask a question. Are we glad we did! The REAL VISA Security
Department told us it was a scam and in the last 15 minutes a new purchase
of $497.99 was charged to our card.
Long story - short - we made a real fraud report and closed the VISA
account. VISA is reissuing us a new number. What the scammers want is the
3-digit PIN number on the back of the card Don't give it to them. Instead,
tell them you'll call V ISA or Master card directly for verification of
their conversation. The real VISA told us that they will never ask for
anything on the card as they already know the information since they issued
the card! If you give the scammers your 3 Digit PIN Number, you think
you're receiving a credit. However, by the time you get your statement
you'll see charges for purchases you didn't make, and by then it's
almost
too late and/or more difficult to actually file a fraud report.
What makes this more remarkable is that on Thursday, I got a call from a
'Jason Richardson of Master Card' with a word-for-word repeat of the VISA
scam. This time I didn't let him finish. I hung up! We filed a police
report, as instructed by VISA. The police said they are taking several of
these reports daily! They also urged us to tell everybody we know that this
scam is happening.
Please pass this on to all your family, friends and neighbors. By informing
each other, we protect each other.
Neighbors Helping Neighbors
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| Subject: | vortex generators |
I have not yet installed the VGs on my airplane, Steve. I'm going to paint them
this weekend,
lay out the pattern on my wing, and maybe get them installed but won't have flight
test info for
another couple of weeks.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: stall speeds |
Oscar, Thanks for the info. Will be doing my stall etc. tests in the
Spring when the snow goes away--Jim Lagowski
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----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga
To: Pietenpol List
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: stall speeds
Howdy, Pietenpolers-
In preparation for experimenting with vortex generators on the wings
and horizontal stabilizer of 41CC
(close your ears, purists!), I went up this afternoon to run a stall
series to get a rough idea of what
the stall speeds are for my airplane. It was a cool afternoon with a
light breeze, just me aboard and
half a tank of fuel. That's as scientific as I'm going to get up to
this point. I took the airplane up to
about 2500 ft. (climbed like a rocket in the cool air) and did stalls
power-off and power-on. The pitot
gets a little crazy during power-on stalls due to the extreme angle
and the propwash, so the airspeed
needle jumps around quite a bit and I'm sure the readings aren't very
accurate, but I'll get relative
numbers "before and after" anyway.
Power-off stalls happen at 37-38 MPH and power-on happen at about
32-34 indicated. The airplane
has to be stalled briskly or it will just go nose-high and mush
without much of a break at the stall.
The nose will then bob up and down in and out of stall. Bringing the
nose up crisply and quickly will
bring it to a more noticeable stall. Rudders are required to keep the
nose straight.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
11/16/2008 7:58 PM
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| Subject: | Re: No nails in spars |
My ribs are glued to the spars with T-88.--Jim Lagowski, NX221PT
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----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No nails in spars
Michael,
The ribs on NX18235 are attached to the spar with T-88, not nails. I
think this far more common than nailing the ribs to the spars.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: No nails in spars
Anyone flying a Piet. that has no nails on the vertical rib
supports to the spars? The plan calls for them, but I know we have
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| Subject: | Re: No nails in spars |
I used no nails there. Only glue and clamps. Those clamps made from
slices of PVC pipe that someone introduced years ago worked really great
for this
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 6:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: No nails in spars
Anyone flying a Piet. that has no nails on the vertical rib
supports to the spars? The plan calls for them, but I know we have
omitted other shown nails, (gussets) so why not these?
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| Subject: | Re: No nails in spars |
Thank you all. I planned on just using T-88, but I wanted to be sure omitting the
nails was cool.
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| Subject: | In case you did not notice... |
I have been asking questions on wings/assembly. That's because I am 2 ribs
short of having my full compliment made and I am moving into wing/CS assemb
ly! I have all the spars made and am working on metal hardware and compress
ion struts. I bet these last-2 ribs take me longer to do then all the oth
ers. I can't believe I am almost done with them. What a great feeling of ac
complishment.- Just some useless FYI. Now back to local programming...
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Way to go Michael! I did my ribs as my first project. They were moved all over
the house and garage for 4 years while I did other parts of the Piet. I thought
back then that they were always in the way and I could never find a suitable
place to store them.
Boy was I wrong!!! Once they become a wing is when the space really gets gobbled
up.
Rick Schreiber
In wintry NW Indiana with 14 inches of snow on the way.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: 11/17/2008 4:46:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: In case you did not notice...
I have been asking questions on wings/assembly. That's because I am 2 ribs short
of having my full compliment made and I am moving into wing/CS assembly! I have
all the spars made and am working on metal hardware and compression struts.
I bet these last 2 ribs take me longer to do then all the others. I can't believe
I am almost done with them. What a great feeling of accomplishment. Just
some useless FYI. Now back to local programming...
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| Subject: | Re: In case you did not notice... |
That sounds great. I know I was excited to start my wings. This past weekend
I hinged the aileron on my right wing. That makes that wing done other than
the aileron horn and some sanding/varnishing! Then I have to do it all over again
for the other wing. It should go faster though as I've made all the parts
for the other wing as I've been going along. Get going and get that wing together,
it's great to hear progress reports.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
Fuse done (for the most part), tail done, one wing almost done, center section
nearly done, Lots left to do. (Christmas this year marks a year of work on the
project)
Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote: I have been asking questions on
wings/assembly. That's because I am 2 ribs short of having my full compliment
made and I am moving into wing/CS assembly! I have all the spars made and am
working on metal hardware and compression struts. I bet these last 2 ribs take
me longer to do then all the others. I can't believe I am almost done with them.
What a great feeling of accomplishment. Just some useless FYI. Now back to
local programming...
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| Subject: | Re: In case you did not notice... |
I went to get the snow blower ready and found a couple of missing springs. I'm
not tackling that drive with a shovel.......gee retired, no grass to cut and snowed
in, Guess I'll have to spend even more time working on the Piet.
Now that I have decided how I'll do the tailwheel, I've started fabricating that.
The wood for the straight axle main gear is cut and planed, so that will be
next.
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 11/17/2008 10:12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: In case you did not notice...
Richard
You have the perfect shop in which to watch it snow while you build
John
Ps I hope to be starting my wings in the next 2 weeks
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: In case you did not notice...
Way to go Michael! I did my ribs as my first project. They were moved all over
the house and garage for 4 years while I did other parts of the Piet. I thought
back then that they were always in the way and I could never find a suitable
place to store them.
Boy was I wrong!!! Once they become a wing is when the space really gets gobbled
up.
Rick Schreiber
In wintry NW Indiana with 14 inches of snow on the way.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: 11/17/2008 4:46:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: In case you did not notice...
I have been asking questions on wings/assembly. That's because I am 2 ribs short
of having my full compliment made and I am moving into wing/CS assembly! I have
all the spars made and am working on metal hardware and compression struts.
I bet these last 2 ribs take me longer to do then all the others. I can't believe
I am almost done with them. What a great feeling of accomplishment. Just
some useless FYI. Now back to local programming...
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