Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:58 AM - Re: New Pictures on the web page (Jim Markle)
2. 07:52 AM - Hi again to the list from Japan (Mark Stanley)
3. 08:08 AM - Re: Hi again to the list from Japan (Dave Abramson)
4. 08:11 AM - Engineering Feat (TOM STINEMETZE)
5. 08:34 AM - Re: Hi again to the list from Japan (Owen Davies)
6. 11:39 AM - Re: New Pictures on the web page (Dick N.)
7. 11:48 AM - Re: New Pictures on the web page (Gene & Tammy)
8. 07:34 PM - Re: Machine gun plans (BScott116@aol.com)
9. 09:12 PM - Piet on Barnstormers (gcardinal)
10. 10:39 PM - Re: Engineering Feat (Ryan Mueller)
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| Subject: | Re: New Pictures on the web page |
Chris' comments about the control horns are right on the mark. I think
they represent one of the most satisfying parts of the entire project.
When you first look at the design it's hard to imagine how easy they are
to build and how strong they end up. That Bernhard Pietenpol fellow was
pretty smart.
I picked up a barely used Miller Syncrowave 250 tig machine recently and
can hardly wait to try it out. The cost was next to nothing (it was
basically a "gift" from a friend) and the more I find out about this
thing the more I think it's WAY too much machine. But more is (in this
case) better, right?
In the last two weeks I finished up those 9" tall, half round cowling
support pieces that sit on the longerons and last weekend made the
pattern for the pilot's instrument panel cowling. Nice to be able to
see the cowling taped down...that's a very satisfying achievement.
Sure is encouraging to read all the notes about people flying and
building then going out to my shop and actually making some sawdust
myself! This group is great.
Jim in Pryor OK
----- Original Message -----
From: catdesigns@att.net
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Pictures on the web page
Thanks Bill. The control horns turned out to be a very satisfying
project. These are the second set I made. The first ones were simply
bent into facets, kind of like the stealth fighter. Thanks to Jim
Markle for saying I could do better, these have the curved shape they
should. And I must admit are way better looking then the first set.
As for welding, I had never welded an inch prior to starting to
building. I tried for 3 years to find someone to weld the fittings but
gave up and bought a gas welder and the welding video and book from EAA.
Did some reading on the web and went at it. I can't imagine building
this plane and not being able to weld my own stuff. It comes in so
handy. And to think I was afraid of welding when I started. What was I
thinking. I like welding now so much so that I am thinking about buying
a TIG welder. It's not worth the cost but it would be great fun to have.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:06 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Pictures on the web page
Oh, in my last post I forgot to mention the great step-by-step
photos Chris added for the building of his control horns.
To all those out there that are afraid of the built-up control
horns, you can see here that they don't take any special equipment to
make. A vise, a hammer, a couple pieces of rod, and a bit of bar. Don't
know if Chris was an experienced welder before starting to build his
Piet, but he appears to be one now. So much nicer looking than the flat
steel control horns (in my opinion, anyway). Well worth the extra
effort, and I would imagine a very satisfying part of the project.
Very nice work, Chris.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Hi again to the list from Japan |
Hi everyone,
It's been a long time with no writing. The two Piet projects over here in
Japan land are still alive but in hibernation.
Life and work is way to busy so not much is being done on the Piets.
The 'want to' part and the 'able to' part don't quite seem to be working as
one!
I still check the list out from time to time which helps to keep the spirit
alive (thanks everybody) and I still fly my little R/C Piet around the place
(it's fun) so hopefully, sometime we can get time to get the projects moving
again.
You can't buy Stika spruce over here or 4130 so it also makes things a
little difficult. Those little luxuries need to be imported from the USA.
My Japanese friend here managed to get some spruce for his fuz from another
unfinished homebuilt project many years ago.
I used local Douglas Fir for my wing ribs (getting fir is no problem) and a
friend from Australia hand carried some sticks of spruce to here for me to
use on the tail feathers of my Piet (thanks mate!)
Just thought I would let everybody know what's happening at this end of the
world (not that it of any importance really!) and the Piets may still
eventually, oneday, fly in Japanland.
Anyway, thanks to you all for keeping the dream alive, it really does help!
Mark Stanley
Japan
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| Subject: | Hi again to the list from Japan |
Hey Mark!
I shudder to think what a hanger might cost in Japan....... any
idea?????????????
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Stanley
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hi again to the list from Japan
Hi everyone,
It's been a long time with no writing. The two Piet projects over here in
Japan land are still alive but in hibernation.
Life and work is way to busy so not much is being done on the Piets.
The 'want to' part and the 'able to' part don't quite seem to be working as
one!
I still check the list out from time to time which helps to keep the spirit
alive (thanks everybody) and I still fly my little R/C Piet around the place
(it's fun) so hopefully, sometime we can get time to get the projects moving
again.
You can't buy Stika spruce over here or 4130 so it also makes things a
little difficult. Those little luxuries need to be imported from the USA.
My Japanese friend here managed to get some spruce for his fuz from another
unfinished homebuilt project many years ago.
I used local Douglas Fir for my wing ribs (getting fir is no problem) and a
friend from Australia hand carried some sticks of spruce to here for me to
use on the tail feathers of my Piet (thanks mate!)
Just thought I would let everybody know what's happening at this end of the
world (not that it of any importance really!) and the Piets may still
eventually, oneday, fly in Japanland.
Anyway, thanks to you all for keeping the dream alive, it really does help!
Mark Stanley
Japan
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| Subject: | Engineering Feat |
Fellow Pietsters:
Building a Piet seems to be one small challenge after another. Solving
each challenge is a thrill and really gives you a sense of accomplishment
that will be, hopefully, capped by that moment when our creations leave
the ground for the first time. The url that I am attaching has nothing to
do with building an Air Camper BUT it sure explains the feeling of
accomplishment. Enjoy!
http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/posts/moving_big_rocks
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS
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| Subject: | Re: Hi again to the list from Japan |
Among other very interesting comments, Mark Stanley wrote:
> You can't buy Stika spruce over here or 4130 so it also makes things a
> little difficult. Those little luxuries need to be imported from the USA.
Really fascinating to hear about Piets growing in such an unintuitive
environment! Please keep us informed.
As for 4130, why not follow the designer's lead? Mr. P. undoubtedly used
whatever steel was at hand, especially in the first planes. (Surely
someone talked to him about this issue and recorded the answer?) He
probably used 1020, which forms nearly all the structure of Piper,
Aeronca, Taylorcraft, etc., models pre-WWII. If you were building a
steel-tube fuselage, you could safely use pretty much whatever ERW
structural tubing is available at the nearest supplier. The fittings
aren't any more fragile. There really isn't any need to go to the
trouble and cost of importing 4130 unless Japanese regulations require it.
Owen
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| Subject: | Re: New Pictures on the web page |
Hey Oscar
We may have some snow on the ground but I haven't cleaned any bugs off the
prop lately. With the front cockpit covered and the long undies in place
I,m getting some good take off performance and still enjoying the Piet.
Dick N.
in the skies over Mn and Wi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Pictures on the web page
Wow, those are some nifty pictures on Chris Tracy's site! Dan Helsper's
plane is going to be a beauty, with classic Air Camper lines and features
and that 35 HP cabin heater up front! And the face-lift on the Boatright
Piet is a day-and-night makeover all right! Chris' website is truly a
treasure and a beginning Piet builder could do much worse than to spend an
hour or two just browsing the photos on that website to glean details and
information that pictures can tell much better than words.
PS, this past Nov. 11, Veteran's Day, marked four years since 41CC went
nose-over. What a joy it's been to fly the airplane after getting it
repaired and back in the air though. You guys with snow on the ground, I
feel sorry for you. We can still go out and fly anytime we want down here
in sunny TX!!!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: New Pictures on the web page |
I'm with you Dick! No snow but it was 26 degrees and I had the engine
heater going by daylight. Winds came up before I could get the engine
warm, so called it a day. I do love flying the Piet in cooler weather. My
new taller windshilds helps a lot. Next project is a front cockpit cover.
Gene in Beautiful Tennessee
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick N." <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Pictures on the web page
>
> Hey Oscar
> We may have some snow on the ground but I haven't cleaned any bugs off the
> prop lately. With the front cockpit covered and the long undies in place
> I,m getting some good take off performance and still enjoying the Piet.
> Dick N.
> in the skies over Mn and Wi.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Machine gun plans |
For machine gun instructions email this _address---nancystorey@aol.com-- _
(mailto:address---nancystorey@aol.com-- ) for instructions/$20
In a message dated 11/16/2008 7:28:04 A.M. Central Standard Time,
flywrite@verizon.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Carden <flywrite@verizon.net>
I've had no success in reaching the gentleman in Kansas City who
reportedly has a booklet or set of instructions for making the
propane machine gun as per the kcdawnpatrol website. If anyone has
these instructions and is finished with them, I'd be happy to buy
them. Thanks, Dick Carden
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| Subject: | Piet on Barnstormers |
Yesterday I posted a link to a project for sale.
I have pictures available for anybody who is interested.
E-mail me off-list, I don't want to bog down the list with 8.5 mb of
pictures.
One picture is included.
Greg
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| Subject: | Re: Engineering Feat |
Thanks Tom. Definitely not about building a Piet. But for the type of person
that would even consider building a Piet, it's still informative and
entertaining. Thanks!
Ryan
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On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:08 AM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
> *Fellow Pietsters:*
> **
> *Building a Piet seems to be one small challenge after another. Solving
> each challenge is a thrill and really gives you a sense of accomplishment
> that will be, hopefully, capped by that moment when our creations leave the
> ground for the first time. The url that I am attaching has nothing to do
> with building an Air Camper BUT it sure explains the feeling of
> accomplishment. Enjoy!*
> *http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/posts/moving_big_rocks*<http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/posts/moving_big_rocks>
> **
> *Tom Stinemetze*
> *McPherson, KS*
>
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