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Sat 11/22/08


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     0. 12:52 AM - LOC (Matt Dralle)
     1. 04:09 AM - Re: No bugs on the prop or windshield (Gene & Tammy)
     2. 07:19 AM - Re: No bugs on the prop or windshield (Dick N.)
     3. 10:03 AM - Re: No bugs on the prop or windshield (H RULE)
     4. 05:46 PM - some test flight numbers (Oscar Zuniga)
     5. 07:05 PM - Re: some test flight numbers (Lagowski Morrow)
     6. 07:06 PM - Re: No bugs on the prop or windshield (Gene & Tammy)
     7. 07:08 PM - Re: No bugs on the prop or windshield (Lagowski Morrow)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:52:24 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: LOC
    Dear Listers, Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors (LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription! Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by popping a personal check in the mail to: Matronics Email Lists c/o Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Best regards, Matt Dralle Email List Administrator


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    Time: 04:09:06 AM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: No bugs on the prop or windshield
    Dick, does your primer go straight to the cylinder or to the carb? I've been preheating the engine and it's starting right up but I've never heard of leaving the primer open while starting. Gene in beautiful but windy Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick N. To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: No bugs on the prop or windshield 22 degrees on the ground this afternoon when I went out for a fresh afternoon flight. The Piet really performs nicely in the cool air. I flew the A-65 Piet, pulled the prop thru 8 times, 2 shots of prime and left the primer open and it started on the first pull. Dick N. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 11/6/2008 7:58 AM


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    Time: 07:19:41 AM PST US
    From: "Dick N." <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: No bugs on the prop or windshield
    Gene and Jim My primer goes to each cyl. I had the type that went to the carb when I first built, but came close to having a big engine fire when I had a backfire while starting. Luckily there was a very close fire ext. There is a guy at my field who is locally regarded as a hand propping expert. Around here with a wide range of temps and no mixture control you have to adjust starting procedure to temp. In winter, I open the needle valve 1/2 turn. If I forget to close it in warmer times, it will flood the engine very easily. I hope Skip Gadd's shoulder has recovered from Brodhead this year. Leaving the primer open kind of functions like a choke. I don't pre heat the engine and it will start easily if I remember the rules. The biggest thing to remember is when flying, make throttle adjustments very slowly, even in the air. If you slam the throttle in too fast the engine might die. I was dressed with quilted long undies, jeans, rugby and sweatshirts. Thin nylon socks with insulated hunting socks over and thinsulate hunting boots. I didn't yesterday, but sometimes insert boot warmers, which are cheap and chemically release heat. On top a Carhart work jacket and a leather, fleece lined flying helmet and thinsulate cloves. I also remove my summer seat pad to lower down an extra couple of inches. It's a bit cold but I've decided it's better than dreaming about spring coming in 5 months. Happy flying Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 6:07 AM fast the enging might flood and die. Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No bugs on the prop or windshield Dick, does your primer go straight to the cylinder or to the carb? I've been preheating the engine and it's starting right up but I've never heard of leaving the primer open while starting. Gene in beautiful but windy Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick N. To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: No bugs on the prop or windshield 22 degrees on the ground this afternoon when I went out for a fresh afternoon flight. The Piet really performs nicely in the cool air. I flew the A-65 Piet, pulled the prop thru 8 times, 2 shots of prime and left the primer open and it started on the first pull. Dick N. href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Version: AM


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    Time: 10:03:45 AM PST US
    From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
    Subject: Re: No bugs on the prop or windshield
    Go naked next time!It's really exciting and refreshing!=0A=0Ado not archive !=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Dick N. <horzpool@ goldengate.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, Novemb er 22, 2008 10:19:15 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No bugs on the prop or windshield=0A=0A=0AGene and Jim=0AMy primer goes to each cyl. I had the type that went to the carb when I first built, but came close to having a b ig engine fire when I had a backfire while starting.- Luckily there was a very close fire ext.- There is a guy at my field who is locally regarded as a hand propping expert.- Around here with a wide range of temps and n o mixture control you have to adjust starting procedure to temp.- In wint er, I open the needle valve 1/2 turn.- If I forget to close it in warmer times, it will flood the engine very easily.- I hope Skip Gadd's shoulder has recovered from Brodhead this year.- Leaving the primer open kind of functions like a choke.- I don't pre heat the engine and it will start ea sily if I remember the rules.- The biggest thing to remember is when flyi ng, make throttle adjustments very slowly, even in the air.- If you slam the throttle in too fast the engine might die.=0AI was dressed with quilted long undies, jeans, rugby and sweatshirts.- Thin nylon socks with insula ted hunting socks over and thinsulate hunting boots.- I didn't yesterday, but sometimes insert boot warmers, which are cheap and chemically release heat. On top a Carhart work jacket and a leather, fleece lined flying helme t and thinsulate cloves.- I also remove my summer seat pad to lower down an extra couple of inches.- =0AIt's a bit cold but I've decided it's bett er than dreaming about spring coming in 5 months.=0AHappy flying=0ADick N. =0A-=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Gene & Tammy =0ATo: pietenpo l-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 6:07 AM fast the enging might flood and die.=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No bugs on the p rop or windshield=0A=0ADick, does your primer go straight to the cylinder o r to the carb?- I've been preheating the engine and it's starting right u p but I've never heard of leaving the primer open while starting.=0AGene in beautiful but windy Tennessee=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Dick N. =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, November 21, 2008 5:42 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: No bugs on the prop or windshield=0A=0A2 2 degrees on the ground this afternoon when I went out for a fresh afternoo n flight.- The Piet really performs nicely in the cool air.- I flew the A-65 Piet, pulled the prop thru 8 times, 2 shots of prime and left the pri mer open and it started on the first pull.=0ADick N.=0A=0A=0Ahref="http:/ /www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://w ww.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?Pietenpol-List=0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matr onics.com=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AVersion: AM=0A=0A=0A =0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.com">h =========================0A ================0A


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    Time: 05:46:44 PM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: some test flight numbers
    It was a cool, overcast day at the airport but perfectly flyable. I decided to retorque the prop bolts on my airplane (16 ft.-lbs on my wood Hegy) and then take it up to make sure everything was airworthy as well as jot down some performance numbers that I haven't bothered to make note of before. After the engine started warming up, I did a normal runup and then checked static RPM. A couple of different attempts got the same result: 2300 RPM on the tach. With the information I had gotten by checking my mechanical tach against a digital one, I know that this is an actual RPM of about 2100. Not sure if that is good or bad, but that's what my A65 turns in 55 degree weather at 1040' MSL with the Hegy prop. I made three takeoffs and full-stop landings to see what the indicated airspeeds were for when the tail came off the ground and when the airplane left the runway. Tail seems to start up at about 25 MPH indicated, and shortly after that the airplane is light on the mains and floats off at maybe 30-35 but it's accelerating pretty rapidly once it comes up on the mains so it's hard to tell. Also, I was down to maybe 1/3 tank of fuel up front but I'll bet with full fuel the tail comes up much sooner. Just some points on the performance chart. Oscar Zuniga NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 07:05:21 PM PST US
    From: "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: some test flight numbers
    Oscar, Thanks for the info--Jim Lagowski Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: some test flight numbers > > > It was a cool, overcast day at the airport but perfectly flyable. I > decided to retorque the prop bolts on my airplane (16 ft.-lbs on my wood > Hegy) and then take it up to make sure everything was airworthy as well as > jot down some performance numbers that I haven't bothered to make note of > before. > > After the engine started warming up, I did a normal runup and then checked > static RPM. A couple of different attempts got the same result: 2300 RPM > on the tach. With the information I had gotten by checking my mechanical > tach against a digital one, I know that this is an actual RPM of about > 2100. Not sure if that is good or bad, but that's what my A65 turns in 55 > degree weather at 1040' MSL with the Hegy prop. > > I made three takeoffs and full-stop landings to see what the indicated > airspeeds were for when the tail came off the ground and when the airplane > left the runway. Tail seems to start up at about 25 MPH indicated, and > shortly after that the airplane is light on the mains and floats off at > maybe 30-35 but it's accelerating pretty rapidly once it comes up on the > mains so it's hard to tell. Also, I was down to maybe 1/3 tank of fuel up > front but I'll bet with full fuel the tail comes up much sooner. > > Just some points on the performance chart. > > Oscar Zuniga > NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 6:59 PM


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    Time: 07:06:38 PM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: No bugs on the prop or windshield
    Thanks for the info Dick. My primer goes into the carb and no problems so far. I do a preheat with a simple heater I built (I don't like to start an engine without preheating if the temp is below 40 degrees). I do pretty much as you do for starting. For my A-65 it's two squirts of prim followed by 6 blades with the throttle wide open (mags off). Then with throttle just slightly cracked open and mags on, it will start on 1st or 2nd blade, running at about 800 rpm. I've only flooded the engine a few time but clearing it was easy. Mags off. Throttle wide open. 8 blades in reverse. Throttle just slightly cracked, mags on and she'll start right up. I dress in layers, with the top part being my insulated coveralls. I bought some bands that go around my pant legs (to keep the wind out) and they work great. I intend to do as you did and make a cover for the front cockpit and I'm hoping that will take care of the "draft". I use insulated motorcycle gloves that extend about 4 inches above the wrist (looks like train engineer gloves), as I tend to rest my left arm on the side of the cockpit and without them the wind will blow right up the sleeve. We don't have and probably won't get any snow. I miss it and I'm jealous of the pilots that get to use the frozen lakes as their own private play grounds. For the pilots that put their planes up for the winter, I really encourage you to try cool weather flying just once. There's a good chance you'll get hooked. It's no colder than riding a snow machine. In fact, with my new taller windshild I find it less so. The air is soooo smooth and the plane performs so well, it's worth getting dressed up for. Try it, you'll like it. Gene in Tennessee (18 degrees last night but got up to 40 degrees this afternoon.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick N. To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No bugs on the prop or windshield Gene and Jim


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    Time: 07:08:01 PM PST US
    From: "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: No bugs on the prop or windshield
    Dick, I appreciate the info on priming and no heating before starting. Your flying "wardrobe" description creates a wonderful mental image! Thanks-Jim Lagowski Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick N. To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No bugs on the prop or windshield Gene and Jim My primer goes to each cyl. I had the type that went to the carb when I first built, but came close to having a big engine fire when I had a backfire while starting. Luckily there was a very close fire ext. There is a guy at my field who is locally regarded as a hand propping expert. Around here with a wide range of temps and no mixture control you have to adjust starting procedure to temp. In winter, I open the needle valve 1/2 turn. If I forget to close it in warmer times, it will flood the engine very easily. I hope Skip Gadd's shoulder has recovered from Brodhead this year. Leaving the primer open kind of functions like a choke. I don't pre heat the engine and it will start easily if I remember the rules. The biggest thing to remember is when flying, make throttle adjustments very slowly, even in the air. If you slam the throttle in too fast the engine might die. I was dressed with quilted long undies, jeans, rugby and sweatshirts. Thin nylon socks with insulated hunting socks over and thinsulate hunting boots. I didn't yesterday, but sometimes insert boot warmers, which are cheap and chemically release heat. On top a Carhart work jacket and a leather, fleece lined flying helmet and thinsulate cloves. I also remove my summer seat pad to lower down an extra couple of inches. It's a bit cold but I've decided it's better than dreaming about spring coming in 5 months. Happy flying Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 6:07 AM fast the enging might flood and die. Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No bugs on the prop or windshield Dick, does your primer go straight to the cylinder or to the carb? I've been preheating the engine and it's starting right up but I've never heard of leaving the primer open while starting. Gene in beautiful but windy Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick N. To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: No bugs on the prop or windshield 22 degrees on the ground this afternoon when I went out for a fresh afternoon flight. The Piet really performs nicely in the cool air. I flew the A-65 Piet, pulled the prop thru 8 times, 2 shots of prime and left the primer open and it started on the first pull. Dick N. href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Version: AM href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 11/22/2008 10:34 AM




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