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Wed 12/03/08


Total Messages Posted: 14



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     1. 04:33 AM - Re: My first wing is covered and stitched! (Phillips, Jack)
     2. 06:18 AM - Re: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister (Thomas Bernie)
     3. 06:36 AM - Re: My first wing is covered and stitched! (Michael Perez)
     4. 06:45 AM - Re: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance 	blister (TOM STINEMETZE)
     5. 07:06 AM - Re: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister (shad bell)
     6. 07:40 AM - Re: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance 	blister (Thomas Bernie)
     7. 08:58 AM - Re: cold turkey day flying (Jonathan Ragle)
     8. 03:02 PM - Re: wood turning colors (Skip Gadd)
     9. 03:20 PM - Re: wood turning colors (Gene & Tammy)
    10. 04:27 PM - Re: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister (Gary Boothe)
    11. 04:59 PM - Re: My first wing is covered and stitched! (airlion@bellsouth.net)
    12. 05:03 PM - Re: wood turning colors (Skip Gadd)
    13. 06:11 PM - Re: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister (Thomas Bernie)
    14. 06:36 PM - Re: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister (Gary Boothe)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:33:38 AM PST US
    Subject: My first wing is covered and stitched!
    From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
    Looks really good, Ben. Covering was undoubtedly the most fun part of the building process for me. It transformed a bunch of kindling and scrap metal into an airplane. Of course it is immediately followed by painting, which for me was about my least favorite part of the process. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:23 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: My first wing is covered and stitched! This sure is an exciting part of Pietenpol building. I just finished putting the last rib stitch in my right wing. Now all it needs is surface tapes and paint. I've attached a few pictures of the wing rotator jig I made up using two Work-Mate benches. By using this device I can rotate the wing to do the covering, stitching, and eventually painting without needing any help. If you look closely on the wing root end I welded a sheet metal (4130X0.025) disk to the axle that can be used to hold the wing in nearly any position by tightening the hold-down vise built into the bench. To get clearance for full rotation the axles are centered on the wing, which makes the leading edge much heavier than the trailing edge. Honestly the disk brake was a bit of a disappointment, but I can use a sawhorse, or various things to hold the wing where I need it. I bought a nice rib stitch needle, but lost it somewhere. I made a replacement from a piece of 3/32 brass rod from the hardware store for $0.99. Just hammered one end a little flat, drilled a hole in it, then sharpened the other end and it works just as well as one you can buy from ACS for 16 bucks. The rib stitching is actually not that bad, I was able to do the whole wing in 3 evenings working alone. I used 3-1/2 inch spacing except for the inside 4 ribs which got 1-3/4 inch spacing. Its a little overkill, but made all the stitches line up all down the length of the wing. I'm using the Stewart System glue, and got a copy of their covering videos that are really great. The making of the cable exit covers is detailed in the video, and I was able to make them up pretty easily. I had one problem in that the upper pulley for the aileron cables was rubbing the fabric. I was able to make a "blister" out of the bottom of a Coke can that gave the clearance I needed. I'll attach a picture of that on a separate e-mail Ben Charvet Mims,Fl P1010239.JPG, P1010240.JPG, P1010252.JPG _________________________________________________ or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese


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    Time: 06:18:15 AM PST US
    From: Thomas Bernie <tsbernie@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister
    Nice one Ben -- here is the way I skinned the cat. Tom Bernie Gloucester, Mass On Dec 2, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Ben Charvet wrote: > This is a shot of my aluminum cable exits, and the blister I made > from the bottom of a Coke can to give clearance for my aileron > pulley. Its amazing how many different problems you have to solve > in a project of this magnitude! > > Ben Charvet > Mims, Fl > P1010253.JPG > <P1010253.JPG>


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    Time: 06:36:43 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: My first wing is covered and stitched!
    Ben, nice work! The wing looks great! I look forward to getting to that point on my plane. The disc brake was a good sound idea. I believe that had the disc been larger, the bench vise would have more to grab on to and hold it better. Nice job.


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    Time: 06:45:59 AM PST US
    From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
    Subject: Re: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister
    >Nice one Ben -- here is the way I skinned the cat. >Tom Bernie >Gloucester, Mass Tom: Very nice looking exits! I was just wondering, though. It seems like every photo I see of a Nicopress cable end uses a single Nicopress sleeve. If I remember my Tony Bingeliss correctly I believe he recommends two sleeves per fitting. Do any of you list members want to express an opinion on this? Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS.


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    Time: 07:06:56 AM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister
    One sleeve should have more strength than required, the cable should break before the sleeve fails, if crimped properly.- This is why a go/no go gau ge is imperative, and must be used when crimping on sleeves.- If the slee ve dosn't look good when you check it start over and re- do it.- I will a dmit that I have had to fix a cable on my Jungster, I VERY CAREFULLY cut th e bad sleeve off with a dremel tool cutting wheel, and pried it open with a screwdriver.- But make sure if you try this there is not even 1 cut, scr atched, or frayed strand in your sleeve when you try the second sleeve.- The best route here though is to simply cut the cable off , (keep the cable long for the 1st end you crimp) and start all over from step 1. - Shad=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 07:40:08 AM PST US
    From: Thomas Bernie <tsbernie@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister
    Tom, I don't recall two sleeves being used anywhere. I pull-tested all structural cables to over 1000 lbs for pre-stretching and sleeve strength. Regards, Tom On Dec 3, 2008, at 9:44 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > >Nice one Ben -- here is the way I skinned the cat. > > >Tom Bernie > >Gloucester, Mass > Tom: Very nice looking exits! I was just wondering, though. It > seems like every photo I see of a Nicopress cable end uses a single > Nicopress sleeve. If I remember my Tony Bingeliss correctly I > believe he recommends two sleeves per fitting. Do any of you list > members want to express an opinion on this? > > Tom Stinemetze > McPherson, KS. > Thomas Bernie tsbe


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    Time: 08:58:41 AM PST US
    From: Jonathan Ragle <jon95gt@hotmail.com>
    Subject: cold turkey day flying
    Haven't been online for almost a week=2C but Thanks for the advice. I just memorized it. :) Worst case I put it back to the wall=2C get my ruder au thority back and try again. Hopefully I can put the Piet in my logbook aga in tomorrow morning. Jonathan P.S. Taildragging for 30 years? Cross your fingers for me. I've learned m ore in my last 6 hours than all of the rest of my flying. do not archive> From: taildrags@hotmail.com> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.c om> Subject: Pietenpol-List: cold turkey day flying> Date: Thu=2C 27 Nov 20 ildrags@hotmail.com>> > > Jonathan=3B> > You just can't use the same landin g technique in gusts or crosswinds that you do when it's calm or the wind i s right down the runway.> Carry a little extra power and airspeed on final when landing into a crosswind or gusty winds. Hold the upwind wing down and touch down on that main wheel first. Let the airspeed bleed off while you keep the airplane pointing straight with the rudders=2C hold upwind stick t o stop sidewise drift=2C and let the tail settle down as the airplane slows .> > Then start breathing again =3Bo) Believe me=2C after 30 years of flyin g taildraggers=2C it gets easier but never less exciting. And the Piet is t he perfect instructor. Do a couple of these landings and you won't even not ice the cold!> > Oscar Zuniga> Air Camper NX41CC> San Antonio=2C TX> mailto ==============> > > _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map=2C no compass. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anyw here_122008


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    Time: 03:02:40 PM PST US
    From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd@earthlink.net>
    Subject: wood turning colors
    Thanks for all the responses. I checked out all the web sights and may do some tests later on the bleaching. For my Piet sticks I will use Osage orange wood, cover it with some spar urethane I found that claims "exceptional protection from sunlight" and just not worry about it. It will take a year or two to complete the plane and if they are too dark by then, I can always make new control sticks out of Ash. The attached picture doesn't really show how bright a yellow this wood is, it is almost iridescent. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church Sent: 12/1/2008 9:45:49 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wood turning colors >From all I have read, there is really only one way to keep the light color of Osage Orange. But it doesn't seem to be very practical. You would have to keep your plane locked up in a dark room at all times. It seems that the oil-based urethane finishes have the most UV protection, but they will still darken over time (just more slowly). Personally, I prefer the look of the darkened wood. I think it looks real purdy. Bill C.


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    Time: 03:20:32 PM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: wood turning colors
    Skip. Have you given any thought to making a "sock" to cover the control stick when it's not in use? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Skip Gadd To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 4:58 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wood turning colors Thanks for all the responses. I checked out all the web sights and may do some tests later on the bleaching. For my Piet sticks I will use Osage orange wood, cover it with some spar urethane I found that claims "exceptional protection from sunlight" and just not worry about it. It will take a year or two to complete the plane and if they are too dark by then, I can always make new control sticks out of Ash. The attached picture doesn't really show how bright a yellow this wood is, it is almost iridescent. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: 12/1/2008 9:45:49 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wood turning colors From all I have read, there is really only one way to keep the light color of Osage Orange. But it doesn't seem to be very practical. You would have to keep your plane locked up in a dark room at all times. It seems that the oil-based urethane finishes have the most UV protection, but they will still darken over time (just more slowly). Personally, I prefer the look of the darkened wood. I think it looks real purdy. Bill C. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 11/6/2008 7:58 AM


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    Time: 04:27:11 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister
    Tom, That looks really clean, but I'm having difficulty making out exactly what that is, other than it does not appear to be a Coke can! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!) (12 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Bernie Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:17 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister Nice one Ben -- here is the way I skinned the cat. Tom Bernie Gloucester, Mass


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    Time: 04:59:01 PM PST US
    From: airlion@bellsouth.net
    Subject: My first wing is covered and stitched!


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    Time: 05:03:46 PM PST US
    From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: wood turning colors
    Gene, I actually thought about that, sad isn't it ;-) Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy Sent: 12/3/2008 6:24:11 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood turning colors Skip. Have you given any thought to making a "sock" to cover the control stick when it's not in use? Gene


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    Time: 06:11:36 PM PST US
    From: Thomas Bernie <tsbernie@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister
    Gary, I cut them out of 1/8" polycarbonate and cemented and patched over with Stuart Systems cement. There are small pre-drilled holes so I can add a plastic/leather hood. I had the polycarbonate stock on hand, plus I drink Fishermans Brew and it only comes in bottles. Regards. Tom Bernie Gloucester, Mass On Dec 3, 2008, at 7:26 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > > > Tom, > > That looks really clean, but I'm having difficulty making out > exactly what > that is, other than it does not appear to be a Coke can! > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!) > (12 ribs down.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas > Bernie > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:17 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance > blister > > Nice one Ben -- here is the way I skinned the cat. > > Tom Bernie > Gloucester, Mass > >


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    Time: 06:36:35 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister
    I should have known...what else would a guy from Gloucester drink? Thanks, Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!) (12 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Bernie Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:11 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister Gary, I cut them out of 1/8" polycarbonate and cemented and patched over with Stuart Systems cement. There are small pre-drilled holes so I can add a plastic/leather hood. I had the polycarbonate stock on hand, plus I drink Fishermans Brew and it only comes in bottles. Regards. Tom Bernie Gloucester, Mass On Dec 3, 2008, at 7:26 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > > > Tom, > > That looks really clean, but I'm having difficulty making out > exactly what > that is, other than it does not appear to be a Coke can! > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!) > (12 ribs down.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas > Bernie > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:17 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance > blister > > Nice one Ben -- here is the way I skinned the cat. > > Tom Bernie > Gloucester, Mass > >




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