---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/04/08: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:03 AM - Re: Re: Spar Varnish/Housepaint (Richard Carden) 2. 07:27 AM - Re: Re: Re: Spar Varnish/Housepaint (Ryan Mueller) 3. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Re: Spar Varnish/Housepaint (Steve Eldredge) 4. 08:24 AM - Re: Re: Re: Spar Varnish/Housepaint (Dick N.) 5. 11:09 AM - Leading edge material (Michael Perez) 6. 12:21 PM - Re: Leading edge material (Jack T. Textor) 7. 12:57 PM - Re: Leading edge material (Rick Holland) 8. 01:25 PM - Re: Leading edge material (Jack T. Textor) 9. 01:31 PM - Re: Leading edge material (Phillips, Jack) 10. 03:05 PM - leading edge/Pietenpol (TGSTONE236@aol.com) 11. 03:07 PM - Re: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister (walt) 12. 04:12 PM - Re: Leading edge material (Don Emch) 13. 07:02 PM - Re: Leading edge material (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:37 AM PST US From: Richard Carden Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Re: Spar Varnish/Housepaint Thanks to all who responded to my post about the A-Z covering process. It does not appear that there are any long-term house paint Piets out there, and I'm not inclined to be the first by whom the new is tried. So, my present thinking is that I'll go with the Stewart water paint system. Thanks again for all the input. Regards, Dick Carden ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:42 AM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Re: Spar Varnish/Housepaint Not to beat a dead horse here, but Steve Eldredge had at least 10 years on his latex house paint finish Piet; I think that would qualify as a long term test.... http://www.westcoastpiet.com/steve_eldridge.htm Ryan On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Richard Carden wrote: > > > > > Thanks to all who responded to my post about the A-Z covering process. It > does not appear that there are any long-term house paint Piets out there, > and I'm not inclined to be the first by whom the new is tried. So, my > present thinking is that I'll go with the Stewart water paint system. Thanks > again for all the input. Regards, Dick Carden ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:31 AM PST US From: Steve Eldredge Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Re: Spar Varnish/Housepaint Make that 11 years. My first flight was in Nov 1997. I would do the latex again without hesitation, and will. You can search the airchives for my detailed application. Basically polyfiber products for all the covering and tapes. Fill the weave with flat black latex 2 cross coats, for areas that will get a dark finish color, mix flat white and black 50/50 for those areas that will get a light finish color. Then roll, spray or brush 2 coats of finish color. I made several repairs over the years. With application of an iron set to 250 or so the old finish will ball up and expose the fabric. Make the repair and repaint. The only interesting behavior of the system is spotting if water is left to stand on it for hours. Water seems to soften the finish just enough to discolor (lighten) the areas left in standing water. After drying it returns to its normal color without affect. I covered and painted the airplane for less than $600. Also a friend with whom I built chose to finish his plane with the same undercoatings and then an automotive finish top coat. It is the same vintage and I'm told it still looks great. He used flex agent. I finished my piet for $5500 1997 dollars. A $2000+ paint job wasn't thinkable. Now I fly a stinson with an Airtech cover and paint job that I did myself for about $4000. When I build another piet, it will have a latex finish. Maybe stewart systems (just because I can afford it now...) (maybe) BTW I know this is a repeat (re-piet) but my aircamper is being rebuilt by my brother who owns it now, and it will be done with latex again. He sent me the entire fuse fabric rolled in a mailing tube. It unrolled and laid flat without cracking after 10 years use. Steve E. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Carden Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 6:03 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Re: Spar Varnish/Housepaint Thanks to all who responded to my post about the A-Z covering process. It does not appear that there are any long-term house paint Piets out there, and I'm not inclined to be the first by whom the new is tried. So, my present thinking is that I'll go with the Stewart water paint system. Thanks again for all the input. Regards, Dick Carden ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:11 AM PST US From: "Dick N." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Re: Spar Varnish/Housepaint The only difference I have with Steve E. is that someone on the list did some UV tests and found that the black coat of latex wasn't needed. There is enough UV protection in all colors of house paint. I did the black on the fuse but not on the wings. I took less coats of paint to finish than to cover the black. Painted in 2003 and doing fine. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Carden" Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:02 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Re: Spar Varnish/Housepaint > > > > Thanks to all who responded to my post about the A-Z covering process. It > does not appear that there are any long-term house paint Piets out there, > and I'm not inclined to be the first by whom the new is tried. So, my > present thinking is that I'll go with the Stewart water paint system. > Thanks again for all the input. Regards, Dick Carden > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:56 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material What is an adequate wood for the round leading edge of the wing? Ash, knotty pine,...? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:46 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material From: "Jack T. Textor" Michael, I used 1/16 okume plywood Jack www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:57:20 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material I used a fir 2x2 and a sharp block plane. Rick On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > What is an adequate wood for the round leading edge of the wing? Ash, > knotty pine,...? > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:09 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material From: "Jack T. Textor" Michael, I misunderstood your question. I used the 1/16th ply to top the LE. For the LE I glued fir on top of 7 ply plywood. Hope the picture helps. Jack www.textors.com Jack Textor Vice President 3737 Woodland Avenue Suite #300 West Des Moines, IA 50266 515-225-7000 www.thepalmergroup.com This e-mail, including attachments, is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential, and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, and then please delete it. Thank you. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material I used a fir 2x2 and a sharp block plane. Rick On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Michael Perez < speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote: What is an adequate wood for the round leading edge of the wing? Ash, knotty pine,...? -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:34 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material From: "Phillips, Jack" I used Sitka Spruce. Best strength to weight ratio of any wood. Sawed it to a trapezoidal shape then finished with a block plane. Making those long curly-Q's of thin spruce shavings was one of the most satisfying parts of the project. Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material What is an adequate wood for the round leading edge of the wing? Ash, knotty pine,...? _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:03 PM PST US From: TGSTONE236@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: leading edge/Pietenpol I used bass wood for mine with no problems Ted Stone WILMINGTON NC **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:06 PM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister Naw, one thimble is rated the same as the cable,,,(I think) at 2000#, and the airlerons have very little pressure on them, Actually, all controls have not that much pressure on them. When I can fly hands off and stick my hands out the cockpit and make the plane go left and right with sticking my fingertips out behind the windshield,,,There's not much pressure there I used one, only, throughout. FFP404, Pietenpol Aircamper walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: TOM STINEMETZE To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:44 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister >Nice one Ben -- here is the way I skinned the cat. >Tom Bernie >Gloucester, Mass Tom: Very nice looking exits! I was just wondering, though. It seems like every photo I see of a Nicopress cable end uses a single Nicopress sleeve. If I remember my Tony Bingeliss correctly I believe he recommends two sleeves per fitting. Do any of you list members want to express an opinion on this? Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leading edge material From: "Don Emch" I agree Jack. I did the same thing. Hated to sweep up those shavings. Shaping that and the tailfeathers was some of my favorite parts. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217682#217682 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:36 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material For a Forest Lab chart of wood strength go here; http://clifdawson.ca/Tools_and_Tips.html All usable woods for AC application have plusses and minuses but in the end aren't that much different from each other. You can't just look at the wt/cubic foot or, strength for the same dimensions, of different woods. Spruce's advantage over Doug Fir is mostly ease of workability, no pitch pockets and it doesn't split as easily. Hemlock is actually a little lighter for the same strength but the grain tends to be a bit wavy and it's much harder to find dimensioned lumber. It's mostly cut into molding. One of the strongest woods is Lodgepole Pine but I've yet to see one with any length of clear trunk! The leading edge does not provide any "spar" strength, only toughness to resist things like hanger rash and fast flying bugs. Clif I used Sitka Spruce. Best strength to weight ratio of any wood. 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