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1. 05:47 AM - Re: Leading edge material (Michael Perez)
2. 06:07 AM - Re: Leading edge material (ALAN LYSCARS)
3. 06:41 AM - Re: Leading edge material (Ryan Mueller)
4. 10:00 AM - Re: Leading edge material (Michael Perez)
5. 10:09 AM - Re: Leading edge material (Michael Perez)
6. 11:50 AM - Re: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister (Gary Boothe)
7. 12:02 PM - LE & TE sketch ideas (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
8. 01:11 PM - Re: Leading edge material (Bill Church)
9. 01:41 PM - Re: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister (Thomas Bernie)
10. 01:45 PM - Re: Leading edge material (Gary Boothe)
11. 01:58 PM - Re: Leading edge material (Bill Church)
12. 02:12 PM - Re: Leading edge material (Gary Boothe)
13. 02:27 PM - Re: Leading edge material (TOM STINEMETZE)
14. 03:04 PM - Re: Leading edge material (Gary Boothe)
15. 03:31 PM - Re: Leading edge material (gcardinal)
16. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: Leading edge material OT (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
17. 10:00 PM - Re: LE & TE sketch ideas (Ryan Mueller)
18. 11:13 PM - Re: Leading edge material (Clif Dawson)
19. 11:36 PM - Re: Re: Leading edge material OT (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge material |
Thanks all. Cliff, I figured it provided little strength, but was curious if it
still needed to be some type of "approved" AC grade hard wood or something. I
am thinking of buying some 3" half round and planing the flat side down to get
to the exact width I need to mate to the front of all the spars. Not there yet,
still doing center section, but thinking ahead some.
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge material |
Michael,
What about ripping a length of poplar or maple handrail to fit? Most of
the shaping is already done by the mill.
Al Lyscars
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material
Thanks all. Cliff, I figured it provided little strength, but
was curious if it still needed to be some type of "approved" AC grade
hard wood or something. I am thinking of buying some 3" half round and
planing the flat side down to get to the exact width I need to mate to
the front of all the spars. Not there yet, still doing center section,
but thinking ahead some.
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge material |
To second Al's point, here is a post from the archives authored by Mike C.,
regarding his use of the handrail for his leading edge and baseboard
moulding for the trailing edge:
"Anyone building wings who wants a quick leading edge piece can go to their
local lumber yard and purchase stairway handrail.* I found mine at $
1.02/ft and bought two fourteen-footers and a 3' piece. (3pc wing). Two cuts
thru your table saw will give you the leading edge piece with about 5
minutes of light sanding after installation. I think my railing is douglas
fir. I had to shop around some-most places wanted more $/ft. While looking
at mouldings, I bought five seven foot lengths of standard pine baseboard
moulding and ripped off the top 1 1/4" to serve as my wood trailing edge.
(with those 1/16" ply tabs on top & bottom to hold it in place-plans).
Mike C. shows the leading and trailing edge methods (sketches and
explanation) on his DVD as well, at around the 1hour 57 minute mark.
Ryan
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:04 AM, ALAN LYSCARS <alyscars@verizon.net> wrote:
> Michael,
>
> What about ripping a length of poplar or maple handrail to fit? Most of
> the shaping is already done by the mill.
>
> Al Lyscars
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2008 8:45 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material
>
> Thanks all. Cliff, I figured it provided little strength, but was
> curious if it still needed to be some type of "approved" AC grade hard wood
> or something. I am thinking of buying some 3" half round and planing the
> flat side down to get to the exact width I need to mate to the front of all
> the spars. Not there yet, still doing center section, but thinking ahead
> some.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge material |
Same with the half round Al. I will just be planning the flat, 3" is too large,
but as I plane, the width gets smaller. I can also choose between various woods.
Not sure what handrails come in, but I believe most are hardwoods which are
heavy and I believe the size is too small for what I want to do.
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge material |
Understood. I work with Mike every day, and we have discussed his handrail
use. Not sure his idea will work with what I want to do. We also discussed
my idea for-a new way of doing trailing edges that may prove to be lighte
r, stronger, easier and cheaper then the current methods.
-
I believe handrails are a hard wood, which is heavy. I also believe that it
is too small. The reason I asked what type of wood is adequate is because
I can choose what type if I do the half round deal. I want it as light as I
can go without getting into trouble.
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| Subject: | Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister |
Others have put this question to rest, but, just for clarification, the
"Swage-it" tool that ACS sells says, ".when using 1x19 cable, use 2 sleeves
at each end." Most of us are using 7x19, so, reading between the lines, it
appears that 1 sleeve is adequate on other types of cable.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
(12 ribs down.)
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister
Naw, one thimble is rated the same as the cable,,,(I think) at 2000#, and
the airlerons<sp> have very little pressure on them, Actually, all controls
have not that much pressure on them.
When I can fly hands off and stick my hands out the cockpit and make the
plane go left and right with sticking my fingertips out behind the
windshield,,,There's not much pressure there
I used one, only, throughout. FFP404, Pietenpol Aircamper
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM STINEMETZE <mailto:TOMS@mcpcity.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister
>Nice one Ben -- here is the way I skinned the cat.
>Tom Bernie
>Gloucester, Mass
Tom: Very nice looking exits! I was just wondering, though. It seems like
every photo I see of a Nicopress cable end uses a single Nicopress sleeve.
If I remember my Tony Bingeliss correctly I believe he recommends two
sleeves per fitting. Do any of you list members want to express an opinion
on this?
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
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| Subject: | LE & TE sketch ideas |
I have only been able to read the last handful of posts on this
subject but saw Ryan M. mention seeing these almost 2 hours into my Piet
video. For what it is worth, here they are for those of you who might
be interested. Worked fine. Attached LE w/ drywall screws with pilot
holes in both LE and ribs and T-88. Filled 'sunk' drywall heads w/ wood
dowels and Shur-form roughed them to the surface of the wing then used
sandpaper for final touches.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Leading edge material |
Michael,
I'm having a hard time seeing how a 3" half-round is going to work for
the
leading edge. By the time you plane down the flat side to match the
width of
the front of the rib (approximately 1 7/8" wide), the half-round will
only
be a little over 1/4" "tall". See top part of attached PDF for
illustration.
At the bottom is a sketch showing how simple this really is (if you've
got
access to a table saw). Like Jack said, , just take a 1" x 2" piece of
Sitka
(or whatever suitable wood you choose), and make two angled cuts
(approximately 19=B0 and 28=B0). Then, after the leading edge is
attached, shape
with a block plane.
I don't know why so many builders seem to be challenged by this
component of
the plane. I can't imagine the hand planing taking more than an hour to
do.
And like Jack said, it will be a pleasurable experience.
Bill C.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material
Same with the half round Al. I will just be planning the flat, 3" is too
large, but as I plane, the width gets smaller. I can also choose between
various woods. Not sure what handrails come in, but I believe most are
hardwoods which are heavy and I believe the size is too small for what I
want to do. <mailto:do.@verizon.net>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance blister |
Gary,
You will find bending 1/8" 1x19 cable around a thimble very difficult.
Regards,
Tom Bernie
Gloucester, Mass
On Dec 5, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> Others have put this question to rest, but, just for clarification,
> the =93Swage-it=94 tool that ACS sells says, =93=85when using 1x19
cable,
> use 2 sleeves at each end=85=94 Most of us are using 7x19, so,
reading
> between the lines, it appears that 1 sleeve is adequate on other
> types of cable.
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
> (12 ribs down=85)
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of walt
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:06 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance
> blister
>
>
> Naw, one thimble is rated the same as the cable,,,(I think) at
> 2000#, and the airlerons<sp> have very little pressure on them,
> Actually, all controls have not that much pressure on them.
> When I can fly hands off and stick my hands out the cockpit and
> make the plane go left and right with sticking my fingertips out
> behind the windshield,,,There's not much pressure there
> I used one, only, throughout. FFP404, Pietenpol Aircamper
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: TOM STINEMETZE
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:44 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron cable exit/pulley clearance
> blister
>
> >Nice one Ben -- here is the way I skinned the cat.
>
> >Tom Bernie
> >Gloucester, Mass
> Tom: Very nice looking exits! I was just wondering, though. It
> seems like every photo I see of a Nicopress cable end uses a single
> Nicopress sleeve. If I remember my Tony Bingeliss correctly I
> believe he recommends two sleeves per fitting. Do any of you list
> members want to express an opinion on this?
>
> Tom Stinemetze
> McPherson, KS.
>
>
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| Subject: | Leading edge material |
Bill,
No flame directed at Michael P. (or any builders on this list), but I
think
some individuals are scared of hand tools! My 7 yr old grandson wanted
to
know how we fixed meals back in the old days=85..without a microwave.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
(12 ribs down=85)
Do not archive.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material
Michael,
I'm having a hard time seeing how a 3" half-round is going to work for
the
leading edge. By the time you plane down the flat side to match the
width of
the front of the rib (approximately 1 7/8" wide), the half-round will
only
be a little over 1/4" "tall". See top part of attached PDF for
illustration.
At the bottom is a sketch showing how simple this really is (if you've
got
access to a table saw). Like Jack said, , just take a 1" x 2" piece of
Sitka
(or whatever suitable wood you choose), and make two angled cuts
(approximately 19=B0 and 28=B0). Then, after the leading edge is
attached, shape
with a block plane.
I don't know why so many builders seem to be challenged by this
component of
the plane. I can't imagine the hand planing taking more than an hour to
do.
And like Jack said, it will be a pleasurable experience.
Bill C.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material
Same with the half round Al. I will just be planning the flat, 3" is too
large, but as I plane, the width gets smaller. I can also choose between
various woods. Not sure what handrails come in, but I believe most are
hardwoods which are heavy and I believe the size is too small for what I
want to do. <mailto:do.@verizon.net>
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| Subject: | Leading edge material |
Gary,
That's kind of funny.
I don't know anyone that's lost any digits by using hand tools. But I DO
know a few who have lost digits to power tools.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:44 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material
Bill,
... I think some individuals are scared of hand tools!.
Gary Boothe
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Leading edge material |
...including my Dad.
What I meant was that some are afraid that hand tools are harder with which
to work.plus they appear to take longer. I'll bet Bernie used a brace & bit
in 1929! I gotta admit, I own a brace, along with my collection of hand
saws, but I reach for the ol' Dewalt cordless every time!
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material
Gary,
That's kind of funny.
I don't know anyone that's lost any digits by using hand tools. But I DO
know a few who have lost digits to power tools.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:44 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material
Bill,
... I think some individuals are scared of hand tools!.
Gary Boothe
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Leading edge material |
>>> "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> 12/5/2008 4:11 PM >>>
..including my Dad.
What I meant was that some are afraid that hand tools are harder
with which to workplus they appear to take longer.
Ill bet Bernie used a brace & bit in 1929! I gotta admit, I own a
brace, along with my collection of hand saws, but I reach
for the ol Dewalt cordless every time!
I agree with you there Gary. I inherited my dad's brace & bits and I
take them down every once in a while to play with and polish. But,
whenever I have any real work to do - out comes an electric drill. That
brings up a drilling question... I have to drill several holes through
1" x 1" cross braces on the cabin walls. The holes are parallel with
the sides the braces are glued to and only 1/2" in from the side
plywood. Any drill I have will not allow getting that close to the
plywood without pushing the holes out of square. Does anyone have a way
of doing this type of drilling?
Thanks,
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS
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| Subject: | Leading edge material |
Just a thought, Tom=85have you tried drilling a hole (same size) thru a
block
of Oak (at least 1 =BD=94 thick), clamp hard to the frame, and maybe it
will
hold the bit where you want it? You may have to start with a small hole
(same set-up) and increase to your size.
I=92m using that method on all my holes for the metal fittings on the
fuse.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
(12 ribs down=85)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 2:27 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material
>>> "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> 12/5/2008 4:11 PM >>>
=85..including my Dad.
What I meant was that some are afraid that hand tools are harder
with
which to work=85plus they appear to take longer.
I=92ll bet Bernie used a brace & bit in 1929! I gotta admit, I own
a
brace, along with my collection of hand saws, but I reach
for the ol=92 Dewalt cordless every time!
I agree with you there Gary. I inherited my dad's brace & bits and I
take
them down every once in a while to play with and polish. But, whenever
I
have any real work to do - out comes an electric drill. That brings up
a
drilling question... I have to drill several holes through 1" x 1"
cross
braces on the cabin walls. The holes are parallel with the sides the
braces
are glued to and only 1/2" in from the side plywood. Any drill I have
will
not allow getting that close to the plywood without pushing the holes
out of
square. Does anyone have a way of doing this type of drilling?
Thanks,
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge material |
Michael,
NX18235 uses redwood as the leading edge material. Very light and easy
to plane.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material
Understood. I work with Mike every day, and we have discussed
his handrail use. Not sure his idea will work with what I want to do. We
also discussed my idea for a new way of doing trailing edges that may
prove to be lighter, stronger, easier and cheaper then the current
methods.
I believe handrails are a hard wood, which is heavy. I also
believe that it is too small. The reason I asked what type of wood is
adequate is because I can choose what type if I do the half round deal.
I want it as light as I can go without getting into trouble.
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge material OT |
Do not archive.
I worked at Colonial Willaimsburg about 18 years ago as an assistant "rural carpernter".
They would not hire a carpenter who had used modern tools. It was easier
to teach someone from scratch how to use a brace and bit than to try to
reprogram someone whose first thot was "boy my skillcraft could do this fast!"
They taught from old texts so that the first thot was to make it the 1750s way
and not the modern way.
Having said that the master carpenters were pretty fast. No time spent charging
or changing batteries, Pick up the tool and go to work.
Now for a minor history lesson: About1750 a tool revolution began. Before 1750
the craftsman had a few tools and used his expertise to create a piece of furnature.
The old Way was complex skills for Simple Tools
A Modern Analogy: Skilled Tradesmen such as a Machinest, or electrician. Or even
an General aviation A&P.
The newer way was with less-skilled workers or unskilled Workers using one process,
again and again
By 1850 the worker had many tools that did specific jobs, less expertise was required
pick up the tool and it would make the right shape. Such as a Ford worker
who only hangs doors or Cessna workers who hang wings.
I guess homebuilders are more related to the former than the latter.
Tuition can be paid at the door.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material
> Bill,
>
>
>
> No flame directed at Michael P. (or any builders on this list),
> but I think
> some individuals are scared of hand tools! My 7 yr old grandson
> wanted to
> know how we fixed meals back in the old days..without a microwave.
>
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion
>
> Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
>
> (12 ribs down)
>
>
>
> Do not archive.
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Bill Church
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:10 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material
>
>
>
> Michael,
>
>
>
> I'm having a hard time seeing how a 3" half-round is going to work
> for the
> leading edge. By the time you plane down the flat side to match
> the width of
> the front of the rib (approximately 1 7/8" wide), the half-round
> will only
> be a little over 1/4" "tall". See top part of attached PDF for
> illustration.
> At the bottom is a sketch showing how simple this really is (if
> you've got
> access to a table saw). Like Jack said, , just take a 1" x 2"
> piece of Sitka
> (or whatever suitable wood you choose), and make two angled cuts
> (approximately 19 and 28). Then, after the leading edge is
> attached, shape
> with a block plane.
>
>
>
> I don't know why so many builders seem to be challenged by this
> component of
> the plane. I can't imagine the hand planing taking more than an
> hour to do.
> And like Jack said, it will be a pleasurable experience.
>
>
>
> Bill C.
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> MichaelPerez
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:58 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material
>
>
> Same with the half round Al. I will just be planning the flat, 3"
> is too
> large, but as I plane, the width gets smaller. I can also choose
> betweenvarious woods. Not sure what handrails come in, but I
> believe most are
> hardwoods which are heavy and I believe the size is too small for
> what I
> want to do. <mailto:do.@verizon.net>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: LE & TE sketch ideas |
Thanks for posting the drawings Mike!
Ryan
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On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] <
Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> I have only been able to read the last handful of posts on this
> subject but saw Ryan M. mention seeing these almost 2 hours into my Piet
> video. For what it is worth, here they are for those of you who might be
> interested. Worked fine. Attached LE w/ drywall screws with pilot holes
> in both LE and ribs and T-88. Filled 'sunk' drywall heads w/ wood dowels
> and Shur-form roughed them to the surface of the wing then used sandpaper
> for final touches.
> Mike C.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge material |
That's a good start. Now go get a long bit. It will be bendy.
The block will hold it straight and the length between the drill
and the block can be bent by holding the drill at the required
angle to force an arc in the shaft.
I've got 3/16" and 1/4" ones 12" long
Another option would be those bits with 1/4" hex ends. Plug
that into one of those bendable screwdriver extensions.
Clif
Just a thought, Tom.have you tried drilling a hole (same size) thru a
block of Oak (at least 1 =BD" thick), clamp hard to the frame, and maybe
it will hold the bit where you want it? You may have to start with a
small hole (same set-up) and increase to your size.
I'm using that method on all my holes for the metal fittings on the
fuse.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
(12 ribs down.)
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge material OT |
Yes, I think so too.
Some things, like roughing close to a shape, I do with power.
The fine finishing I do by hand. The thing with power in
hand held tools like routers, planers, sanders and saws is that
they don't stop turning when you stop moving. It's way too easy
to go too far, to gouge or mis-shape the part. When hand
sanding or planing, you stop and the cutting stops.
The most important thing is to have SHARP cutting edges.
That's another whole learning experience right there. I use
water stones myself. Many good woodworkers now use
various grades of sandpaper glued to flat surfaces. This
subject is the Holy Grail of craftsmen. It can start more
fights than politics.
So you're a D major are you. I'm an F# minor pentatonic
myself. :-)
Clif
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From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
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> Having said that the master carpenters were pretty fast. No time spent
> charging or changing batteries, Pick up the tool and go to work.
Such as a Ford worker who only hangs doors >
> I guess homebuilders are more related to the former than the latter.
>
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