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1. 04:44 AM - Re: Wing tip bow (Ed G.)
2. 07:23 AM - Re: Wing tip bow (amsafetyc@aol.com)
3. 07:32 AM - Squaring up (amsafetyc@aol.com)
4. 08:27 AM - Re: Squaring up (Michael Perez)
5. 08:42 AM - Re: Squaring up (amsafetyc@aol.com)
6. 08:50 AM - Ford fuel insemination (Pieti Lowell)
7. 12:13 PM - Re: Ford fuel insemination (Michael Perez)
8. 12:44 PM - Re: Squaring up (Michael Perez)
9. 12:50 PM - Re: Squaring up (Michael Perez)
10. 01:06 PM - Re: Squaring up (Michael Perez)
11. 01:18 PM - Re: Squaring up (Michael Perez)
12. 01:42 PM - Santa checkride joke... (Rob Stapleton, Jr.)
13. 02:18 PM - Re: Santa checkride joke... (Gary Boothe)
14. 02:22 PM - Re: Squaring up (Ray Krause)
15. 02:37 PM - Re: Squaring up (Ray Krause)
16. 03:08 PM - Re: Santa checkride joke... (ALAN LYSCARS)
17. 03:37 PM - Ford fuel insemination (Oscar Zuniga)
18. 04:03 PM - Re: Ford fuel insemination (Michael Perez)
19. 04:19 PM - Fuel tank near electrical (Rick Holland)
20. 04:23 PM - Fuel tank and electonics (Rick Holland)
21. 04:32 PM - Re: Ford fuel insemination (Michael Silvius)
22. 04:43 PM - Re: Ford fuel insemination (Pieti Lowell)
23. 05:17 PM - Re: Ford fuel insemination (Pieti Lowell)
24. 06:01 PM - Re: Squaring up (Dick N.)
25. 06:03 PM - Re: Re: Ford fuel insemination (Jeff Boatright)
26. 06:04 PM - Ford fuel insemination (Oscar Zuniga)
27. 11:25 PM - Re: Squaring up (Clif Dawson)
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Hi John If you'll send me your snail mail address I'll put together some d
rawings=2C photos and directions like I was going to do for Michael. If I p
ut it on the list you'll get so many opinions and variations that you wont
know where to start. I'll keep a copy and maybe others can use them in the
future. Unfortunately I lost the photos that I took while doing it when my
hard drive crashed last summer. I still have my jig so I can take some pict
ures of it. I learned to laminate while making curvy teak and holly sailboa
t tillers years ago. It's not something everyone has done so it can be a li
ttle intimidating the first time you do it but it's not hard to do. Ed Gr
entzer
om: amsafetyc@aol.comDate: Sat=2C 20 Dec 2008 18:07:49 +0000
Don't know about Michael but I would love a set. I am always willing to lea
rn from others. Saves me from reinventing the wheelJohnJohn
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: "Ed G." Date: Sat=2C 20 Dec 2008 07:55:51 -0500To: piet-list piet-lis
t<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing tip bow
Hi Michael Please don't take this the wrong way=2C I'm only trying to be
of help. I don't know anything about you or your level of woodworking skill
s. But "IF" your reason for wanting to use a straight piece of wood for you
r wing tip bows is that you are intimidated by the process of laminating th
e curved ones I will be glad to snail mail you detailed drawings and direct
ions on how it's done. You're welcome to e-mail me off list if you want. Th
ey are easy=2C almost fun to make and very rewarding. A straight line betw
een the nose and tip of a rib is way down near the bottom edge. The spars w
ould need to be cut to match them. As a compression strut they would be way
off center causing the spars to twist under load unless you added an upper
strut and the drag wires' geometry would have an upward component unless t
hey were moved to the center of the spar somehow. If that is not your re
ason then please make them however you want. Ed Grentzer Fl.
t: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing tip bowTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sorry Walt=2C I will build my plane the way I want to. Sorry you interpret
my questions as a negative.
For the others=2C thanks or the posts and the link to those great pictures.
I was not thinking of a flat boeard as the pictures show=2C I was going to
use a tip=2C just not curved. We'll see=2C not quite there yet. --- On Fri
=2C 12/19/08=2C walt <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
From: walt <waltdak@verizon.net>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing tip bowTo
: pietenpol-list@matronics.comDate: Friday=2C December 19=2C 2008=2C 6:34 P
M
Good for you Ed G.!
Build to the plans.
PS This isn't a "what can I change on the plans"=2C site.
PPS To me =2C It's belittleing Bernard Pietenpol's talents=2C to try to ch
ange his plans.
walt evansNX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed G.
Sent: Friday=2C December 19=2C 2008 10:59 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing tip bow
One of the many things I have learned while building my Piet over the last
eight years is that the master has already figuered out most of the "what
ifs" for us. That's why we bought his plans. Yes=2C somethings need to be c
hanged to work in todays airport environment=2C BUT. Everything that I have
changed has added extra planning and changeing at least one something else
to work with the change which requires more planning and experimenting whi
ch adds exponentially to the build time. So=2C I have learned that at least
with my limited time to devote to my Piet=2C If I ever plan to fly the thi
ng=2C I had better quit "Changeing" and "Planning" and keep building. It's
amazing how much progress can be made when just building to the plans.
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John, I am building my first wing right now as well. If your spars are not
bent and twisted to bad, you have nothing to worry about. When it comes tim
e to make use of the drag wires in the wing as well as rigging the wings to
the fuselage, that is when you can get it all in alignment.- Keep in min
d that wood will continue to move, swell, twist, bend, etc. over time. Even
after the wing is built, I am told they are quite easy to twist and shift.
They don't get stiff until rigged and covered. So, a perfect wing "on the
jig" will more then likely move around a bit once it is removed and put out
of the way for later covering.
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I have my first wing on my mobile table I made. I used some scrap 5" wood a
s a fence on one end to keep the spar ends even. I have a second fence 90 d
egrees to the first about 3 feel long as a guide for the length of the spar
. The rib locations are marked on the spars from top to bottom using a squa
re to make sure they are perpendicular to the spars. I epoxy in place 3 rib
s at a time and clamp them just enough to draw the spar up to the vertical
rib support. (minimal epoxy squeeze out.)- This process in effect will "w
alk" out any minor twist in the spars. I let these three ribs sit overnight
and then do 3 more, working from one end of the spars to the other. I only
have my spars clamped at the ends up against the fence and the forward spa
r along the 3 foot fence. The rest of the front spar and rear-spar are le
ft to "float". You will find that if you keep the spar ends equal and the r
ibs perpendicular to the spars, the wing is somewhat self aligning. By
clamping the spars to the vertical rib supports, the spars will kinda self
adjust assuming those vertical supports are square and not twisted. As lon
g as-your ribs are made the same and the cap strips are square to each ot
her, (the rib is true in every plane) as you work from one end to the other
, the wing will be just fine.
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I have pictures of my current setup right now if interested. I will be epox
ying ribs 10,11,and 12 today.
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| Subject: | Ford fuel insemination |
Has anyone tried or thought of injecting the Ford A or B ?
Pieti Lowell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=220401#220401
Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: Ford fuel insemination |
I have not, but that would be great!- I can't think of any reason off the
top of my head why it could not be done.
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O.K., Not sure how many pictures I can put on a single post, so I may have
to send multiple replies.
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This- first picture shows the small oak fences screwed to my table at exa
ctly 90 degrees. At the end of the table is the larger fence that is screwe
d to the smaller oak. The very ends of the spars are butted here and clampe
d to the fence. I put my front spar 6" away from the front small oak fence.
(Just a made up measurement. I wanted to make sure the ribs did not hit th
e front fence.) The dark wood block further down the spar is also 6" clampe
d to the fence and the spar to maintain parrallel. The spar ends are now ev
en and the front spar is locked square to the ends. The ribs themselves pro
perly space the rear spar. The spars are up on spaces that I will show you
in my next picture. Note the wood wedges between the rib tops and the front
spar top. These are added after the ribs have dried overnight.
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This attached picture shows the two small oak fences as well as the larger end
fence. The spar ends are clamped on top of the small end fence to keep the spars
from resting on top of the inside of the ribs and to give me working room.
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All right, here you will see toward the end of the table another piece of oak used
to maintain the same height as the front small fence under the spars. Notice
nothing is clamped to the table or tool box. I allow the spars to float and
let the ribs do the alignment. The green weights strapped to the spar with rags
is just there to keep some down force on the wing so that it won't sway if
bumped. The three bar clamps clamp the spars snugly to the rib verticals and remove
any twist out of the spar. Just enough to lay the spar upagainst the verticles...you
don't want to pre-stress the ribs or squeeze out the epoxy here.
As I said, I do three ribs at a time working from the end fence allowing each
set to dry overnight. I will do the end rib and tip rib tomorrow. The end rib
is not in place in the first photo because I could not rest the spars on the small
oak fence nor butt the spars against the large fence had Itbeen there.
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Lastly, this shows-a rib location mark on the spars. These are drawn squa
re to the spars and as long as the ribs at each spar are on these lines, an
d the ends of the spars are even, (against the end fence) all is square. We
ll, I believe good enough to get you to the rigging and covering stage. The
small arrow near the line is to remind me on which side of the line the ri
b goes. Not needed for the end rib, but helpful for all the other ribs. Rem
ember to plot your rib locations on both spars and put the ribs in place. R
un string to simulate the drag cables and adjust the ribs to clear. Mark th
ese new locations, disassemble the wing and square up these new location ma
rks to the spar. (perpendicular) Patience here, and be mindful that you hav
e the right ends of the spars at the end fence and that you don't have one
upside down, etc.
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Sorry for the multiple posts and I hope some of what I have said is helpful
. If I can assists any further, let me know. I can take more/better picture
s if needed as well. Good Luck!
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| Subject: | Santa checkride joke... |
I was wondering who sent that story about Santa getting an FAA checkride,
and wondered if I could use it in the EAA Chap 42 newsletter? It seems to
have dropped off the list, at least I can't find it..
Thanks,
Rob
Anchorage AK
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| Subject: | Santa checkride joke... |
Rob,
I can't answer your question, but I think the check ride has been cancelled.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
(12 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Stapleton, Jr.
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 1:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Santa checkride joke...
I was wondering who sent that story about Santa getting an FAA checkride,
and wondered if I could use it in the EAA Chap 42 newsletter? It seems to
have dropped off the list, at least I can't find it..
Thanks,
Rob
Anchorage AK
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Michael,
This is Ray Krause, a newbie to this site. I am just starting on my
Pietenpol and would appreciate seeing your pictures, also. My e-mail is
RayKrause@frontiernet.net.
I recently completed a Sonex Waiex plane. Beautiful and fast. The
Pietenpol will replace my J-3 for slow and low flying. I just need to
be building something!
Thanks,
Ray Krause
N51YX, Waiex, TD, Jab 3300 (1197), AeroCarb, Sensinich 54X62 wood prop,
Dynon D-180, Garmin SL-30, 327, 296, 65 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Squaring up
John, I am building my first wing right now as well. If your
spars are not bent and twisted to bad, you have nothing to worry about.
When it comes time to make use of the drag wires in the wing as well as
rigging the wings to the fuselage, that is when you can get it all in
alignment. Keep in mind that wood will continue to move, swell, twist,
bend, etc. over time. Even after the wing is built, I am told they are
quite easy to twist and shift. They don't get stiff until rigged and
covered. So, a perfect wing "on the jig" will more then likely move
around a bit once it is removed and put out of the way for later
covering.
I have my first wing on my mobile table I made. I used some
scrap 5" wood as a fence on one end to keep the spar ends even. I have a
second fence 90 degrees to the first about 3 feel long as a guide for
the length of the spar. The rib locations are marked on the spars from
top to bottom using a square to make sure they are perpendicular to the
spars. I epoxy in place 3 ribs at a time and clamp them just enough to
draw the spar up to the vertical rib support. (minimal epoxy squeeze
out.) This process in effect will "walk" out any minor twist in the
spars. I let these three ribs sit overnight and then do 3 more, working
from one end of the spars to the other. I only have my spars clamped at
the ends up against the fence and the forward spar along the 3 foot
fence. The rest of the front spar and rear spar are left to "float". You
will find that if you keep the spar ends equal and the ribs
perpendicular to the spars, the wing is somewhat self aligning. By
clamping the spars to the vertical rib supports, the spars will kinda
self adjust assuming those vertical supports are square and not twisted.
As long as your ribs are made the same and the cap strips are square to
each other, (the rib is true in every plane) as you work from one end to
the other, the wing will be just fine.
I have pictures of my current setup right now if interested. I
will be epoxying ribs 10,11,and 12 today.
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Thanks, Michael!
Thanks,
Ray Krause
N51YX, Waiex, TD, Jab 3300 (1197), AeroCarb, Sensinich 54X62 wood prop,
Dynon D-180, Garmin SL-30, 327, 296, 65 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Squaring up
Lastly, this shows a rib location mark on the spars. These are
drawn square to the spars and as long as the ribs at each spar are on
these lines, and the ends of the spars are even, (against the end fence)
all is square. Well, I believe good enough to get you to the rigging and
covering stage. The small arrow near the line is to remind me on which
side of the line the rib goes. Not needed for the end rib, but helpful
for all the other ribs. Remember to plot your rib locations on both
spars and put the ribs in place. Run string to simulate the drag cables
and adjust the ribs to clear. Mark these new locations, disassemble the
wing and square up these new location marks to the spar. (perpendicular)
Patience here, and be mindful that you have the right ends of the spars
at the end fence and that you don't have one upside down, etc.
Sorry for the multiple posts and I hope some of what I have said
is helpful. If I can assists any further, let me know. I can take
more/better pictures if needed as well. Good Luck!
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| Subject: | Re: Santa checkride joke... |
Rob,
It's been around for years, and I've been borrowing it for as long.
Haven't got fined yet!
Merry Christmas,
Al Lyscars
B19 Biddeford, Maine
Santa Claus, like all pilots, gets regular visits from the Federal
Aviation Administration, and the FAA examiner, Orton, arrived last week
for the pre-Christmas check ride.
In preparation, Santa had his elves wash the sled and bathe all the
reindeer.
Santa got his logbook out and made sure all his paperwork was in order.
He knew they would examine all his equipment and truly put Santa's
flying skills to the test.
The examiner walked slowly around the sled. He checked all the reindeer
harnesses, the landing gear, and even Rudolph's nose.
He painstakingly reviewed Santa's weight and balance calculations for
sled's enormous payload.
Finally, they were ready for the check ride. Santa got in and fastened
his seat belt and shoulder harness and checked the compass.
Then the FAA examiner hopped in carrying, to Santa's surprise, a
shotgun.
"What's that for!?" asked Santa incredulously.
The FAA examiner winked and said, "I'm not supposed to tell you this
ahead of time," as he leaned over to whisper in Santa's ear,
"but you're gonna lose an engine on takeoff."
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Stapleton, Jr.
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 4:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Santa checkride joke...
I was wondering who sent that story about Santa getting an FAA
checkride, and wondered if I could use it in the EAA Chap 42 newsletter?
It seems to have dropped off the list, at least I can't find it..
Thanks,
Rob
Anchorage AK
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| Subject: | Ford fuel insemination |
Mike; I guess what Lowell was referring to was the image that was with his post,
showing an injected inline Ford. If you can't see that, go to
http://forums.matronics.com and go to the Piet forum. You'll see that image
attached to the post.
Pretty interesting setup and also has a magneto installed pointing forward
rather than hung off the back of the Ford like most. It would seem that
with so many inline injected 4-cyl. engines on the road these days, taking one
off a car and installing it on an airplane wouldn't be too difficult but then
again there is the "black box" that controls the darned things. Too many
sensors, pickups, wires, and programming details to make them work.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Ford fuel insemination |
Copy. I just missed it, to fast to read and not look for attachments.
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| Subject: | Fuel tank near electrical |
Is it a problem placing higher voltage electrical components near a fuel
tank? In this case two ignition coils and a switcher unit for my Corvair
placed on the shelf ahead of the forward instrument panel. Don't know where
else I would put them except on the firewall.
Thanks
Rick
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Fuel tank and electonics |
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| Subject: | Re: Ford fuel insemination |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> It would seem that
> with so many inline injected 4-cyl. engines on the road these days, taking
one
> off a car and installing it on an airplane wouldn't be too difficult but
then
> again there is the "black box" that controls the darned things. Too many
> sensors, pickups, wires, and programming details to make them work.
>
Yes though that one in the photo looked to be a mechanical one taken of a
Lycosaurus or something.
Michael under 18 inches of white fluffy suff today in Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Ford fuel insemination |
taildrags(at)hotmail.com wrote:
> Mike; I guess what Lowell was referring to was the image that was with his post,
> showing an injected inline Ford. If you can't see that, go to
> http://forums.matronics.com and go to the Piet forum. You'll see that image
> attached to the post.
>
> Pretty interesting setup and also has a magneto installed pointing forward
> rather than hung off the back of the Ford like most. It would seem that
> with so many inline injected 4-cyl. engines on the road these days, taking one
> off a car and installing it on an airplane wouldn't be too difficult but then
> again there is the "black box" that controls the darned things. Too many
> sensors, pickups, wires, and programming details to make them work.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=220465#220465
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| Subject: | Re: Ford fuel insemination |
The Injection body installed on this Ford B, was first tried on a stock Ford A
in 1992 and ran for 2 years (110 Hrs ) The increase in RPM ran take-off engine
speed at 1450 RPM with a 76X42 Prop. After the trial run the babbit was inspected
and was perfect. This A Ford engine was at Oshkosh during that EAA Pietenpol
Interview.
This Ford B installation has a stock Lambert , 90 HP, prop, (76X57), and will turn
2250 RPM. And by the way there isn't any electronics involved, 4.5 GPH fuel
consumption, no carb heat required, primer injects fuel at intake ports. Idles
at 550 RPM. Look close at photo , you will see many bolt-on go-fasts. this
B Ford has close to 300 Hrs, and no problems.
Pieti Lowell
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=220468#220468
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Welcome to the group, Ray. You will find it helpful and sometimes
entertaining. What area are you from? We have members all around the
world.
Dick N.
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From: Ray Krause
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Squaring up
Michael,
This is Ray Krause, a newbie to this site. I am just starting on my
Pietenpol and would appreciate seeing your pictures, also. My e-mail is
RayKrause@frontiernet.net.
I recently completed a Sonex Waiex plane. Beautiful and fast. The
Pietenpol will replace my J-3 for slow and low flying. I just need to
be building something!
Thanks,
Ray Krause
N51YX, Waiex, TD, Jab 3300 (1197), AeroCarb, Sensinich 54X62 wood
prop, Dynon D-180, Garmin SL-30, 327, 296, 65 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
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| Subject: | Re: Ford fuel insemination |
Pietei Lowell-
Impressive engine. Hope to meet you at Brodhead.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Ford fuel insemination |
Mike: careful... real Piets are not fuel injected ;o)
In both a light-hearted and yet a serious way, I look at that injected
Ford and see not only all of Mr. Pietenpol, but also a lot of what has
come after him. No, that engine is not converted according to Mr.
Pietenpol's clear and complete details. The leather flex coupling for
the mag isn't there, neither is the original carb, and very likely
not much of the engine interior is per his details- and yet there it is,
a nifty and reliable conversion. Experimental aviation at its finest,
and all of it based on the tried-and-true, soon to be 80-year-old design
that started life on the floor of a barn.
Start with a stable and forgiving platform and tweak to your heart's content.
There are not too many marginal aspects of the airplane, so we can do
a lot of different things to it and still end up with a good flier.
Oscar Zuniga
Original, unaltered, true-blue Air Camper NX41CC ;o)
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Have you run string through the ribs where the drag wires
will go? Just to make sure they will clear all the upright
parts of the ribs. If you go into the archives there's many
messages over the years indicating that the ribs should be
spaced to clear the drag wires and usually a few ribs will
be moved a bit from even spacing. It would be a shame
to have to cut out and replace rib braces to clear the wires.
Apparently if you build exactly to the planes it won't be an
issue but a few have moved ribs a half inch one way or the
other to have clearance.
It was suggested by Graham Hansen that it would be a
good idea to set all ribs in place without glueing then
install the cross bracing and drag/antidrag wires. If there
appears to be a clearance issue then you can move ribs
to clear. This could be more of an issue if your designing
your own method of drag bracing as some have done.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Squaring up
John, I am building my first wing right now as well. If your
spars are not bent and twisted to bad, you have nothing to worry about.
When it comes time to make use of the drag wires in the wing as well as
rigging the wings to the fuselage, that is when you can get it all in
alignment.
I will be epoxying ribs 10,11,and 12 today.
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