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1. 08:05 AM - Re: Back to the flat board wing tips (Michael Perez)
2. 08:40 AM - Re: (H RULE)
3. 12:47 PM - Re: Back to the flat board wing tips (Pieti Lowell)
4. 01:56 PM - Modified Pietenpols (Catdesigns)
5. 03:34 PM - Re: Modified Pietenpols (Jim)
6. 07:50 PM - Re: Re: Wing Tips (Clif Dawson)
7. 09:12 PM - Re: Modified Pietenpols ()
8. 10:02 PM - Re: Re: Modified Pietenpols (Jim)
9. 11:28 PM - Re: Re: Modified Pietenpols ()
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| Subject: | Re: Back to the flat board wing tips |
Thanks so much Bill. You actually answered my question and provided pictures! Are
you saying that this plane had the flat board tips prior to the rebuild you
are doing? By flat board, I am talking about what looks like the actual tip as
removed, and the wing just stops at the last rib. I was wondering if these planes
did, in fact, just stop at that last rib, or were they made longer by a
rib or two, thereby making the aileron longer. Of course, if the wing just stopped
at the last rib with no tip, then each aileron would be about 5" shorter.
I plan on doing more like what you show, but I am wondering how the slightly shorter
aileron will act. This is why I was asking about the flat board types...I
assumed those wings had the shorter ailerons.
Thanks for the pictures, they have been the most help.
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| Subject: | Re: tenpol-List: |
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMerry Christmas, Happy New Year and Happy flights to all in
2009!=0A-=0A-=0APierre=0A-=0ATwas the night before Christmas, and out
on the ramp,=0ANot an airplane was stirring, not even a Champ.=0AThe aircr
aft were fastened to tiedowns with care,=0AIn hopes that come morning, they
all would be there.=0AThe fuel trucks were nestled, all snug in their spot
s,=0AWith gusts from two-forty at 39 knots.=0AI slumped at the fuel desk, n
ow finally caught up,=0AAnd settled down comfortably, resting my butt.=0AWh
en the radio lit up with noise and with chatter,=0AI turned up the scanner
to see what was the matter.=0AA voice clearly heard over static and snow,
=0ACalled for clearance to land at the airport below.=0AHe barked his trans
mission so lively and quick,=0AI'd have sworn that the call sign he used wa
s "St. Nick".=0AI ran to the panel to turn up the lights,=0AThe better to w
elcome this magical flight.=0AHe called his position, no room for denial,
=0A"St. Nicholas One, turnin' left onto final."=0AAnd what to my wondering
eyes should appear,=0ABut a Rutan-built sleigh, with eight Rotax Reindeer!
=0AWith vectors to final, down the glideslope he came,=0AAs he passed all f
ixes, he called them by name:=0A"Now Ringo! Now Tolga! Now Trini and Bacun!
=0AOn Comet! On Cupid!" What pills was he takin'?=0AWhile controllers were
sittin', and scratchin' their head,=0AThey phoned to my office, and I heard
it with dread,=0AThe message they left was both urgent and dour:=0A"When S
anta pulls in, have him please call the tower."=0AHe landed like silk, with
the sled runners sparking,=0AThen I heard "Left at Charlie," and "Taxi to
parking."=0AHe slowed to a taxi, turned off of three-oh=0AAnd stopped on th
e ramp with a "Ho, ho-ho-ho..."=0AHe stepped out of the sleigh, but before
he could talk,=0AI ran out to meet him with my best set of chocks.=0AHis re
d helmet and goggles were covered with frost=0AAnd his beard was all blacke
ned from Reindeer exhaust.=0AHis breath smelled like peppermint, gone sligh
tly stale,=0AAnd he puffed on a pipe, but he didn't inhale.=0AHis cheeks we
re all rosy and jiggled like jelly,=0AHis boots were as black as a cropdust
er's belly.=0AHe was chubby and plump, in his suit of bright red,=0AAnd he
asked me to "fill it, with hundred low-lead."=0AHe came dashing in from the
snow-covered pump,=0AI knew he was anxious for drainin' the sump.=0AI spok
e not a word, but went straight to my work,=0AAnd I filled up the sleigh, b
ut I spilled like a jerk.=0AHe came out of the restroom, and sighed in reli
ef,=0AThen he picked up a phone for a Flight Service brief.=0AAnd I thought
as he silently scribed in his log,=0AThese reindeer could land in an eight
h-mile fog.=0AHe completed his pre-flight, from the front to the rear,=0ATh
en he put on his headset, and I heard him yell, "Clear!"=0AAnd laying a fin
ger on his push-to-talk,=0AHe called up the tower for clearance and squawk.
=0A"Take taxiway Charlie, the southbound direction,=0ATurn right three-two-
zero at pilot's discretion"=0AHe sped down the runway, the best of the best
,=0A"Your traffic's a Grumman, inbound from the west."=0AThen I heard him p
roclaim, as he climbed through the night,=0A"Merry Christmas to all! I have
traffic in sight."=0A=0AAuthor unknown
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| Subject: | Re: Back to the flat board wing tips |
>From my experiences, the No 1 Piet had full length wings and flat ends with full
length ailerons. My No2 Piet had 2 ft shorter wings and the aileron were shortened
one foot, and a number of times I ran out of control on a brisk cross
wind landing. That means the stick was up against the max side movement. When
I shortened my 612 wing I kept the full length ailerons, and now a 35 MPH crosswind
can be handled without running out of stick control, and it gives excellent
roll rate speed when you need it. All provided one stays ahead of the airplanes
gyrations on a very windy day.
And as Mr. Pietenpol told me, " If your idea works try it, and it doesn't have
to be perfect".
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Modified Pietenpols |
While we are on the subject of modified Pietenpols check this one out.
http://books.google.com/books?id=6eEDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA72&dq=pietenpol&lr=&as_brr=1&rview=1#PPA73,M2
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Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221258#221258
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| Subject: | Re: Modified Pietenpols |
Chris you have got to stop spending your time digging through these old magazines
and get out there and finish your Piet (and I have to stop reading your "discoveries.").
Hope you and family had a great Christmas.
Jim
On Dec 26, 2008, Catdesigns@att.net wrote:
While we are on the subject of modified Pietenpols check this one out.
http://books.google.com/books?id=6eEDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA72&dq=pietenpol&lr=&as_brr=1&rview=1#PPA73,M2
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Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221258#221258
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http://www.zenithair.com/stolch801/design/design.html
Halfway down- wingtips.
The Horner could satisfy everyone ( OK, maybe not! ) by
having a rounded shape and better tip performance.
Clif
At the risk of getting flamed here, especially since I think this is
> my first post to this list, how about Hornier tips? The Hornier tip
> should theoretically
> increase the effective length and look neat. > Al Hays
> Gore, VA
>
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| Subject: | Re: Modified Pietenpols |
I got one more that will give some of you ulcers and others wild ideas.
This one is from the Feb. 1982 Sport Aviation. I must admit it's a good
looking plane.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Modified Pietenpols |
Okay Chris,
Now we just have to make a cantilever wing spar for it so there are no wing struts
at all; it would look great, be much easier to get into the front cockpit
and like this guy Casey said probably would glide better.
Now how long would it add to my building time (and boy would the Pietenpol purists
howl).
Jim
On Dec 26, 2008, catdesigns@att.net wrote:
I got one more that will give some of you ulcers and others wild ideas.
This one is from the Feb. 1982 Sport Aviation. I must admit it's a good
looking plane.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Modified Pietenpols |
I believe that would make it a Revolution.
Chris
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim" <jimboyer@hughes.net>
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Modified Pietenpols
>
>
> Okay Chris,
> Now we just have to make a cantilever wing spar for it so there are no
> wing struts at all; it would look great, be much easier to get into the
> front cockpit and like this guy Casey said probably would glide better.
> Now how long would it add to my building time (and boy would the Pietenpol
> purists howl).
> Jim
>
>
> On Dec 26, 2008, catdesigns@att.net wrote:
> I got one more that will give some of you ulcers and others wild ideas.
> This one is from the Feb. 1982 Sport Aviation. I must admit it's a good
> looking plane.
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
>
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