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1. 12:37 AM - Re: Aerial project for Anchorage schoolkids (Rob Stapleton, Jr.)
2. 04:00 AM - Re: Re: up too late tonight (Rob Hart)
3. 04:00 AM - Re: Re: up too late tonight (Rob Hart)
4. 05:40 AM - Re: Aerial project for Anchorage schoolkids (Gene & Tammy)
5. 07:17 AM - Re: fantastic help videos from EAA--free (Michael Perez)
6. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: up too late tonight-- PATCHES (Tim Willis)
7. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: up too late tonight-- PATCHES (H RULE)
8. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: up too late tonight-- PATCHES (amsafetyc@aol.com)
9. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: up too late tonight (amsafetyc@aol.com)
10. 12:53 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/24/08 (Gardiner Mason)
11. 05:36 PM - Patches (Oscar Zuniga)
12. 06:03 PM - Re: Aerial project for Anchorage schoolkids (Rick Holland)
13. 06:06 PM - Re: Patches (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
14. 06:41 PM - Re: Patches (Clif Dawson)
15. 07:13 PM - Patches, Anchorage, and the buildapalooza (Oscar Zuniga)
16. 09:19 PM - New Piet project - one piece wing question (Ryan Mueller)
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| Subject: | Aerial project for Anchorage schoolkids |
Pieters,
This gift project couldn't and wouldn't happen without Oscar's help. It is
good to hear more about the Aerial and how it affects others. Hopefully it
will attract some attention here in Anchorage and encourage young people
into aviation, instead of just virtual flying.
Thanks Oscar!
RS
Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist
Anchorage, Alaska
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 4:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aerial project for Anchorage schoolkids
Howdy, Pieters-
My wife and I just got back from a nearly 1600 mi. (round-trip) drive up to
Los Alamos, NM to gently gather up a beautiful set of landing gear legs from
the late Arlene Walsh's Aerial project. She died earlier this year in an
auto accident and through various actions and reactions, her project will be
headed up to Anchorage, AK to be worked on (and hopefully, completed) by a
group of middle school students. Thanks to Rob Stapleton from this list for
putting together all the pieces.
I examined and handled the various pieces of Arlene's project in the hangar
at Los Alamos. Outside, snow was drifting and the temp was in the high 20s
but inside the hangar it was impossible not to feel the warmth of the
varnished wood from FOUR wing panels (the Aerial is a biplane version of the
Piet), as well as the tail feathers and fuselage, all ready to be crated for
shipping to Alaska. It's a nice project, all hand-built (little humor for
you guys there), and I hope the kids learn about building from it and get
the flying bug too.
There was no flying before, during, or after the trip. This winter storm
has packed some very strong and gusty winds, as anyone from Washington to
Arkansas can attest.
I hope everyone is enjoying the holidays and looking forward to kicking off
the 80th anniversary of the Pietenpol beginning January 1 of 2009, an entire
year of celebration! So don't spare the Old Milwaukee, all you cheapskate
homebuilders like me ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: up too late tonight |
Hi John
You've got my vote. As part of the overseas support crew=2C I wear my NASA
patch (Space Medicine and Health Care Systems) with great pride. I'd love
to pair that with a Pietenpol Patch. NASA also have a space support system
s poster out for school kids to design their own patch using existing NASA
design paradigms as a guide. I have a copy=2C but I'm no graphics designer
. I can have a crack at it=2C but I'm sure there are more gifted artists o
n the list who can do it justice.
Just glued the ribs for the port wing=3B recent discussions on wing tips an
d squaring up have been most useful.
Rob Hart
Perth=2C Western Australia
VH-PTN (reserved)
e tonightFrom: amsafetyc@aol.comDate: Sun=2C 28 Dec 2008 05:32:35 +0000
I was watching the military channel greatest ever. They were reviewing figh
ters and helicopters. I noticed each pilot had a series of insignia patches
. As piet builders and pilots maybe we should have a patch also?Who knows m
aybe we can get someone with artistic abilities to design one Then get some
one to sew it into an embroidered patch. What are your thoughts?John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: "Clif Dawson" Date: Sat=2C 27 Dec 2008 19:59:28 -0800To: <pietenpol-l
ist@matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Tips
It's amazing how some stuff works. An extra invisible
foot and a half of wing and it didn't cost you a damn thing!
Clif
"The universe is full of magical things patiently waiting for our wits to g
row sharper." ~ Eden Phillpotts
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From: Michael Perez
Clif=2C outstanding! That link is great. Now I know what those wing tips ar
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| Subject: | Re: up too late tonight |
Hi John
You've got my vote. As part of the overseas support crew=2C I wear my NASA
patch (Space Medicine and Health Care Systems) with great pride. I'd love
to pair that with a Pietenpol Patch. NASA also have a space support system
s poster out for school kids to design their own patch using existing NASA
design paradigms as a guide. I have a copy=2C but I'm no graphics designer
. I can have a crack at it=2C but I'm sure there are more gifted artists o
n the list who can do it justice.
Just glued the ribs for the port wing=3B recent discussions on wing tips an
d squaring up have been most useful.
Rob Hart
Perth=2C Western Australia
VH-PTN (reserved)
e tonightFrom: amsafetyc@aol.comDate: Sun=2C 28 Dec 2008 05:32:35 +0000
I was watching the military channel greatest ever. They were reviewing figh
ters and helicopters. I noticed each pilot had a series of insignia patches
. As piet builders and pilots maybe we should have a patch also?Who knows m
aybe we can get someone with artistic abilities to design one Then get some
one to sew it into an embroidered patch. What are your thoughts?John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: "Clif Dawson" Date: Sat=2C 27 Dec 2008 19:59:28 -0800To: <pietenpol-l
ist@matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Tips
It's amazing how some stuff works. An extra invisible
foot and a half of wing and it didn't cost you a damn thing!
Clif
"The universe is full of magical things patiently waiting for our wits to g
row sharper." ~ Eden Phillpotts
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
Clif=2C outstanding! That link is great. Now I know what those wing tips ar
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| Subject: | Re: Aerial project for Anchorage schoolkids |
GOOD JOB OSCAR!
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." <foto@alaska.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 2:36 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aerial project for Anchorage schoolkids
> <foto@alaska.net>
>
> Pieters,
> This gift project couldn't and wouldn't happen without Oscar's help. It is
> good to hear more about the Aerial and how it affects others. Hopefully it
> will attract some attention here in Anchorage and encourage young people
> into aviation, instead of just virtual flying.
> Thanks Oscar!
> RS
>
>
> Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist
> Anchorage, Alaska
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
> Zuniga
> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 4:20 PM
> To: Pietenpol List
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aerial project for Anchorage schoolkids
>
>
>
> Howdy, Pieters-
>
> My wife and I just got back from a nearly 1600 mi. (round-trip) drive up
> to
> Los Alamos, NM to gently gather up a beautiful set of landing gear legs
> from
> the late Arlene Walsh's Aerial project. She died earlier this year in an
> auto accident and through various actions and reactions, her project will
> be
> headed up to Anchorage, AK to be worked on (and hopefully, completed) by a
> group of middle school students. Thanks to Rob Stapleton from this list
> for
> putting together all the pieces.
>
> I examined and handled the various pieces of Arlene's project in the
> hangar
> at Los Alamos. Outside, snow was drifting and the temp was in the high
> 20s
> but inside the hangar it was impossible not to feel the warmth of the
> varnished wood from FOUR wing panels (the Aerial is a biplane version of
> the
> Piet), as well as the tail feathers and fuselage, all ready to be crated
> for
> shipping to Alaska. It's a nice project, all hand-built (little humor for
> you guys there), and I hope the kids learn about building from it and get
> the flying bug too.
>
> There was no flying before, during, or after the trip. This winter storm
> has packed some very strong and gusty winds, as anyone from Washington to
> Arkansas can attest.
>
> I hope everyone is enjoying the holidays and looking forward to kicking
> off
> the 80th anniversary of the Pietenpol beginning January 1 of 2009, an
> entire
> year of celebration! So don't spare the Old Milwaukee, all you cheapskate
> homebuilders like me ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
> --
> Checked by AVG.
> 12/25/2008 9:40 AM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fantastic help videos from EAA--free |
Copy Mike C. I had found those early on in my building process. Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: up too late tonight-- PATCHES |
Here are a couple of designs already out there. See attached. One was apparently
from 1996, and the other maybe (huh?) from 1997, as noted. I am told the
one shown as 1996 might belong to Grant McLaren (sp.?).
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: amsafetyc@aol.com
>Sent: Dec 27, 2008 11:32 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: up too late tonight
>
>I was watching the military channel greatest ever. They were reviewing fighters
and helicopters.
>
>I noticed each pilot had a series of insignia patches.
>
>As piet builders and pilots maybe we should have a patch also?
>
>Who knows maybe we can get someone with artistic abilities to design one
>
>Then get someone to sew it into an embroidered patch.
>
>What are your thoughts?
>
>John
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| Subject: | Re: up too late tonight-- PATCHES |
I like the red one best and besides it will show up better on my dark blue
aircraft.I like the combination of red and blue together;my favourite colou
r.However I do like the signiture of Bernard on the blue one.=0A=0Ado not a
rchive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Tim Willis <t
imothywillis@earthlink.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sund
ay, December 28, 2008 10:54:56 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: up too
late tonight-- PATCHES=0A=0AHere are a couple of designs already out there
.- See attached.- One was apparently from 1996, and the other maybe (hu
h?) from 1997, as noted.- I am told the one shown as 1996 might belong to
Grant McLaren (sp.?). =0A=0ATim in central TX=0A=0A-----Original Message--
---=0A>From: amsafetyc@aol.com=0A>Sent: Dec 27, 2008 11:32 PM=0A>To: pieten
pol-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: up too late toni
ght=0A>=0A>I was watching the military channel greatest ever. They were rev
iewing fighters and helicopters. =0A>=0A>I noticed each pilot had a series
of insignia patches. =0A>=0A>As piet builders and pilots maybe we should ha
ve a patch also?=0A>=0A>Who knows maybe we can get someone with artistic ab
ilities to design one =0A>=0A>Then get someone to sew it into an embroidere
d patch. =0A>=0A>What are your thoughts?=0A>=0A>John=0A
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| Subject: | Re: up too late tonight-- PATCHES |
Tim
Got to say I like them both but having to select just one, I vote blue signature
I wonder what it would look like. Blue text on red background?
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: up too late tonight-- PATCHES
Here are a couple of designs already out there. See attached. One was apparently
from 1996, and the other maybe (huh?) from 1997, as noted. I am told the
one shown as 1996 might belong to Grant McLaren (sp.?).
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: amsafetyc@aol.com
>Sent: Dec 27, 2008 11:32 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: up too late tonight
>
>I was watching the military channel greatest ever. They were reviewing fighters
and helicopters.
>
>I noticed each pilot had a series of insignia patches.
>
>As piet builders and pilots maybe we should have a patch also?
>
>Who knows maybe we can get someone with artistic abilities to design one
>
>Then get someone to sew it into an embroidered patch.
>
>What are your thoughts?
>
>John
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| Subject: | Re: up too late tonight |
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/24/08 |
Hey ya'll again. I have already built my wings as per plans and don't intend
to change. I am just replying because of all the discussion. All these new
jet piets have them so there must be a reason. Gardiner.
----- Original Message -----
From: <amsafetyc@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/24/08
>
> Merry Christmas to all! What it would look like is or what you may call it
> are little consequence ultimately it is your airplane built by and for
> your purposes
>
> Go fourth and build
>
> John
> ------Original Message------
> From: Gardiner Mason
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Dec 25, 2008 8:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/24/08
>
> <airlion@bellsouth.net>
>
> Hey ya'll, how would winglets on the end of the flat board wing tips work?
> Just a thought what with all the discussion on this subject. Merry
> Christmas
> all. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Willis" <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 7:30 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/24/08
>
>
>> <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> Such a flat wingtip will have more drag and less lift, as the underside
>> air will vortex more over the tip and onto the top of the wing. This
>> pushes down on the wing (less lift), and the turbulence causes more drag.
>> Moreover, as others have pointed out, such a wingtip is UGLY, and it
>> doesn't look like a Pietenpol. After all, part of the charm of a Piet is
>> the wingtip on the Hershey-bar wing.
>>
>> But, build it as you like.
>>
>> Tim in central TX
>> do not archive
>>
>>>Time: 09:04:52 AM PST US
>>>From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
>>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Back to the flat board wing tips
>>>
>>>I am curious, anyone know for sure if these flat board-tipped Piets. used
>>>the standard
>>>size wing, or did they make them longer? Since the plans show the
>>>ailerons
>>>going past the last rib and out to the tip, did these flat board wings
>>>stop
>>>at the rib, making the wing a few inches shorter? If so, I wonder how
>>>this
>>>shorter aileron flew. Anyong flying this type of wing tip?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>
>
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No sweat on the design for the patches, IF someone can get Grant McLaren
to OK the use of his original design (the red one). From there, it's no
sweat at all to snag the Pietenpol signature from the blue one and create
a hybrid. It sounds like most folks like the red design but also like the
blue signature.
If DJ Vegh were still on this list, he could do it in no time flat. He
created an absolutely gorgeous piece of artwork for the Texas Air Camper
Organization (TACO).
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Aerial project for Anchorage schoolkids |
You are a saint Oscar, nice work.
Rick
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Howdy, Pieters-
>
> My wife and I just got back from a nearly 1600 mi. (round-trip) drive up to
> Los Alamos, NM to gently gather up a beautiful set of landing gear legs from
> the late Arlene Walsh's Aerial project. She died earlier this year in an
> auto accident and through various actions and reactions, her project will be
> headed up to Anchorage, AK to be worked on (and hopefully, completed) by a
> group of middle school students. Thanks to Rob Stapleton from this list for
> putting together all the pieces.
>
> I examined and handled the various pieces of Arlene's project in the hangar
> at Los Alamos. Outside, snow was drifting and the temp was in the high 20s
> but inside the hangar it was impossible not to feel the warmth of the
> varnished wood from FOUR wing panels (the Aerial is a biplane version of the
> Piet), as well as the tail feathers and fuselage, all ready to be crated for
> shipping to Alaska. It's a nice project, all hand-built (little humor for
> you guys there), and I hope the kids learn about building from it and get
> the flying bug too.
>
> There was no flying before, during, or after the trip. This winter storm
> has packed some very strong and gusty winds, as anyone from Washington to
> Arkansas can attest.
>
> I hope everyone is enjoying the holidays and looking forward to kicking off
> the 80th anniversary of the Pietenpol beginning January 1 of 2009, an entire
> year of celebration! So don't spare the Old Milwaukee, all you cheapskate
> homebuilders like me ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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Oscar.
You re quite the resource and Piet champion. and while I am thinking about
it congratulations on a job well done. Saved a Piet and brought it back to tile
in Alaska and made some people happy in the process. Not a bad days work.
That's great.
Now for the more challenging the patch or patches. We should have one for
the Piet and its creator and a special edition 80 th year anniversary patch for
Brodhead and Oshkosh.
BTW there are only silent thoughts so anyone and everyone is welcome to join
in with ideas and comments this should be a collaborative work it just seems
fitting to celibate the aircraft and it following in addition to the
creation of the Piet.
If we wanted to we could make them available at cost plus for the members
with the plus proceeds going to a trust or museum or worthy project, like
Alaska Piet.
It seems odd the few people that actually knw about the Piet, fewer that
have ever seen one and even fewer that have ridden on one, owned one , flown
one or built one. Its a tremendous legacy that should be advertised rather them
kept within the circles of just we few. Its just too important an aircraft
to go unnoticed.
John
Sorry for the soap box, too much sawdust today "buldapalooza" its a
happening thing.
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That definitely has my vote. The brown/red one
is visualy dynamic, grabbing attention. It's also
more in line with the graphics of the 30's.
I was really upset when I tried to order the T shirt
only to find non were left and no more in sight!
Clif
>
>
> No sweat on the design for the patches, IF someone can get Grant McLaren
> to OK the use of his original design (the red one). >
> If DJ Vegh were still on this list, he could do it in no time flat. >
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
>
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| Subject: | Patches, Anchorage, and the buildapalooza |
AMSafety wrote-
>You're quite the resource and Piet champion.
Corky made me this way ;o) Chuck Gantzer and Mike Cuy weren't any
help either, with their videos and nifty flying Pietenpols.
>congratulations on a job well done. Saved a Piet
I'm going to have to step off the stage and say that the thanks
should go to Jeff Scott, president of EAA Chapter 691 and longtime
friend. He is responsible for helping the original builder along,
caring for the project after her demise, arranging for disposition
of the project out of her estate, arranging for my acquisition of a
few things that I wanted off the airplane after I bought it from the
chapter and donated it to the Anchorage group, and it looks like he
will ultimately be responsible for crating it up for shipment and
seeing that it gets sent off in good shape. Jeff is good people; the
best. He's a builder's builder and does it because he loves to.
>Now for the more challenging the patch or patches. We should have
>one for the Piet and its creator and a special edition 80th year
>anniversary patch for Brodhead and Oshkosh.
I think it would be just as well to do one "patchapalooza" patch ;o)
Most companies have an artwork and/or setup fee and if we stick to
one patch, we'll maximize the bang for our buck. That's what Piet
building and flying is about... affordable and fun.
>it just seems fitting to celibate the aircraft
Well, I guess after 80 years, most of us are celibate whether we want
to be or not ;o) I'm only 57 but my dad-gone blood pressure medication
seems to be taking some of the compression out of my cylinders, if you
catch my drift ;o) But we can still fly and enjoy it, and that's more
fun than we deserve to have, sometimes. Yes, let's "celebrate" the
aircraft!
>It's a tremendous legacy that should be advertised rather than kept
>within the circles of just we few. Its just too important an aircraft
>to go unnoticed.
It's not that it's gone unnoticed, it's just that it's an old wood and
fabric open-cockpit airplane and there are fewer and fewer builders
who are interested in that. More and more of them want sleek, fast,
"glass panel" zoomers that resemble the cars that they drive. There
are fewer and fewer people who are willing to endure flying low and
slow over the countryside with the wind whipping in their faces, fuel
and exhaust smells drifting into the cockpit, airspeed crowding 70
MPH on a good day, sights and sounds coming directly to the pilot,
no digital radio or Ipod, no electrics, no starter, no nothing. So
we'll just have to enjoy one another's company while there are still
those among us who are interested in these old airplanes. And with
a history 80 years long now, I'll bet there will pretty much always
be a few like us who have that interest, that joy, that connection.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | New Piet project - one piece wing question |
First off, congratulations on your efforts with the Aerial project Oscar!
Jess and I are now proud owners of most of a one piece wing, a fuselage, a
horizontal stab, and most of the metal fittings (Del Magsam's old project)!
We are very excited. I took a few pics, but my digicam memory card decided
to stop playing ball, so I'll take more the next time we are out. Stupid
thing...it's only dealt with every temperature extreme and weather situation
out there for four years, plus a little combat here and there....they just
don't make them like they used to.
Anyhow, the one piece wing is not what we we were planning on building, but
it is what the project came with. We decided we would deal with it; in the
end it will get us in the air faster. We spent some quality time with it on
Saturday (most of the day), trying to manhandle it into it's new home in a
friend's small outbuilding/aircraft factory. All I can say is....wow...my
hat's off to Bernard and all those who followed that built and dealt with
the one piece wing. It defeated all of our plans to loft it that day, so it
is sitting on supports on the ground level (not literally on the ground) for
now. After having to deal with this monstrosity, I figured I would pose the
question: would it be feasible to convert this to a three piece wing? Here
are some details about the wing:
It has Charlie Rubeck ribs that were varnished before being slipped onto the
spars. Thusly they are not glued to the spars. There is just a nail through
the uprights adjacent to the spars holding them in place right now. The wing
does not have any compression struts installed, no metal fittings either. It
is just two spars with the ribs on, and the additional pieces for the
ailerons have been installed. No wingtips. None of the structure for the
fuel tank in the wing has been installed either.
I would think it would go as such: cut the spars just outboard of each
splice. Measure the spar length from the wingtip end of the spar to the
inboard end of the panel, and cut the spars to the exact length needed. We
could remove the nails and slide the center section rib(s) off the remnants.
We would be short on ribs...one full rib, one nose rib, two tail ribs. It
would be pretty easy to make a jig off of a full rib that was removed, to
fab the those pieces. We would have to build the center section, but our
wing panels would be mostly complete. Since the ribs are only nailed they
could all be moved to satisfy any spacing changes.
This would add some work, but would allow us to deal with much smaller
individual wing panels instead of the whole shebang. This is a big plus. We
would also be able to accommodate a fuel tank in the wing if we could do the
three piece....
Am I off my rocker?
Ryan
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