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1. 01:39 AM - Made a mistake (carson)
2. 01:51 AM - Re: Made a mistake (Peter W Johnson)
3. 02:20 AM - Re: Plane sitting: need list advice on elevator control (Gene & Tammy)
4. 03:22 AM - Re: Made a mistake (Jack Phillips)
5. 05:35 AM - bent elevator horn (Oscar Zuniga)
6. 06:22 AM - Re: Made a mistake (Don Emch)
7. 06:26 AM - Re: Made a mistake (Don Emch)
8. 08:03 AM - FW: Patch design (Steve Eldredge)
9. 09:08 AM - Pietenpol : [ Steve Eldredge ] : New Email List PhotoShare Available! (Email List PhotoShares)
10. 10:50 AM - Re: bent elevator horn (shad bell)
11. 11:38 AM - inboard wing bracing (Jack T. Textor)
12. 12:18 PM - Re: Made a mistake (Jonathan Ragle)
13. 12:39 PM - Re: inboard wing bracing (Gardiner Mason)
14. 03:08 PM - Re: inboard wing bracing (walt)
15. 03:33 PM - Re: Made a mistake (carson)
16. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: Made a mistake (Clif Dawson)
17. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: Made a mistake (Peter W Johnson)
18. 06:43 PM - Re: inboard wing bracing (Gene & Tammy)
19. 09:18 PM - Re: inboard wing bracing (walt)
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Hi all firstly all the best for the new year and i hope much building shall be
done by all.
I sat my tail on the fuse the other day and realized that I stuffed up the placement
of the main spar by one inch so the spar on the horizontal and vertical
stabs don't line up,the metal bracket has 2 bolts in the vertical but with my
mistake I can only get one in and the other would only go through the gussets.
I am thinking that I could turn the bracket the other way and have 2 bolts in the
Horizontal stab and 1 in the vertical
My question is would this cause problems or do the cables take most of the side
loads?
Or should I just make a new fin and hang this one on the wall as a testament to
my stupidity.
Thanks
Carson
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Carson,
You could fill the space behind the gusset in the front of the vertical spar
with spruce glued in place? The bracing wires take a lot of the load.
Cheers
Have a good one.
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Wednesday, 31 December 2008 8:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Made a mistake
Hi all firstly all the best for the new year and i hope much building shall
be done by all.
I sat my tail on the fuse the other day and realized that I stuffed up the
placement of the main spar by one inch so the spar on the horizontal and
vertical stabs don't line up,the metal bracket has 2 bolts in the vertical
but with my mistake I can only get one in and the other would only go
through the gussets.
I am thinking that I could turn the bracket the other way and have 2 bolts
in the Horizontal stab and 1 in the vertical
My question is would this cause problems or do the cables take most of the
side loads?
Or should I just make a new fin and hang this one on the wall as a testament
to my stupidity.
Thanks
Carson
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Subject: | Re: Plane sitting: need list advice on elevator control |
Jeff, I've been following your wow's and although I really felt for you,
there wasn't anything I could add to the expert advice you were already
getting. It really pleases me to read that you took care of your problem
and chances are you will be flying tomorrow. I too will be flying tomorrow.
What a way to start off a new year.!
Life is good
Gene
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From: "Jeff Boatright" <jboatri@emory.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plane sitting: need list advice on elevator
control
>
> Well gang, I'm back from the airfield, and things look pretty good.>
> Tomorrow I patch the fabric, and then maybe, go flying on the first!
>
> Thanks for all the input,
>
> Jeff
>
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Can you send a picture? I think Peter is right - you can probably fill the
space between the gussets with spruce and be fine.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Made a mistake
Hi all firstly all the best for the new year and i hope much building shall
be done by all.
I sat my tail on the fuse the other day and realized that I stuffed up the
placement of the main spar by one inch so the spar on the horizontal and
vertical stabs don't line up,the metal bracket has 2 bolts in the vertical
but with my mistake I can only get one in and the other would only go
through the gussets.
I am thinking that I could turn the bracket the other way and have 2 bolts
in the Horizontal stab and 1 in the vertical
My question is would this cause problems or do the cables take most of the
side loads?
Or should I just make a new fin and hang this one on the wall as a testament
to my stupidity.
Thanks
Carson
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Subject: | bent elevator horn |
Jeff; good on ya, mate! Doesn't it feel much better to know that you
saw the damage, repaired it, and it will soon be good as new, with no
doubt about its airworthiness?
The saying is true, you get the best stories from people when you ask
how they got a scar ;o) "Icarus Plummet" has been there, so has 41CC,
so have others who have experienced cracks, crunches, rips, spills,
falls, and other things that seemed like the end of the world at the
time but ended up with new knowledge and experience. Shoot, the FAA
even wrote and published a whole book about it... "AC43.13- Acceptable
Methods, Techniques, and Practices- Aircraft Alterations".
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Made a mistake |
I like Jack's idea... picture? But it sounds like you can use it. The cables
take up the side load. The fittings are really just an anchor.
Once again I redefined cold for myself yesterday. Somewhere in the low 30s, but
I got about a half hour fix in. I don't know how the guys that don't fly through
the Winter do it. Gotta get my fix. Snow today... skis tomorrow?
Happy New Year!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Re: Made a mistake |
By the way Carson... It says an awful lot about you as a builder to admit a mistake
to everyone and be open to their suggestions as to how to fix. Very respectable!
Don
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Sure! This is my starting point.
http://share.shutterfly.com/action/welcome?sid=0KZt3DVqyYvkg
has two pictures...
I can change thread colors and backgrounds easily, so send in your suggestions,
I like the one that has only the "75 years" above the Camper, but want only
the 75 years in a different color.
The hats are the same as before, with the words 'LOW AND SLOW FOR 80 YEARS' or
'CHERRY GROVE - 80 - BRODHEAD' over the back adjustment. I have had several custom
done with N-numbers which I may offer again.
The patch version will have the 80 years inside the patch similar to the 75th.
Comments welcome...
If there is interest, I can start making them available now, instead of waiting
till summer.
Like the 70th year (1999) and the 75th year, I plan on bringing a supply of patches
and hats and t-shirts, and maybe a few sweatshirts.
Andrew (in the piet) and I in the Stinson, plan on making the trip together. I've
invited all 4 of my brothers to make the trip. 3 of us are pilots...
I'm already looking forward to the gathering!!
Best regards,
Steve E.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of amsafetyc@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Patch design
Steve
Sounds great you planning on showing us the patch before it goes into production?
John
------Original Message------
From: Steve Eldredge
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Dec 30, 2008 8:23 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Patch design
Good thought. I've already planned on making hats for the 80th, like I did for
the 70th and 75th. Patches and embroidered t-shirts are in the works too.
If you like it you can buy it. If you want to make your own, you can do that too.
Steve E.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BYD@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:31 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Patch design
Just a suggestion but, has anyone considered the design that Steve Eldredge uses
on his caps as a patch design? It's been around awhile representing the fraternity
and I would think Steve would allow it and maybe even produce them since
he has an embroidery outfit already selected. Just a thought.
Larry Williams - if you're looking for Chris Egsgaard or Billy Pobah, I'd try the
machine shop!
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Subject: | Pietenpol : [ Steve Eldredge ] : New Email List PhotoShare |
Available!
A new Email List PhotoShare is available:
Poster: Steve Eldredge <steve@byu.edu>
Lists: Pietenpol-List
Subject: Air Camper Patches
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/steve@byu.edu.12.31.2008
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Subject: | Re: bent elevator horn |
Repairs usually build more experience than constructing it from scratch the
1st time.- So much mor thought has to go in to it.- I have also had to
make repairs to my project while building wings.- Knocked the whole wing
pannel off the bench with 20 lbs of bar clamps, c-clamps on the trailing e
dge.- Broke the t/e strip in 2 places, some gussets and 1 rib.- If it w
as warm enough to start my old tractor I probably would have thrown it in t
he yard and ran over it.- But after the rage subsides look objectivly at
it and just fix it,- now it's as good as it was before and it wasn't real
ly all that hard to fix.- Just part of the homebuilding fun.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | inboard wing bracing |
All, I need some help with the diagonal bracing for the root rib. Barry
has helped with some pictures, but I'm pretty lame. Regarding the
bracing in the middle bay...I assume I need to brace the top and bottom
of the rib. The middle bay is pretty cluttered with compression struts
and wires. Has anyone braced the rib from the struts instead of the
spar? For the rear bay, can I just brace to the middle of the rib or
should I go to the top and bottom? That's about clear as mud! Hope
everyone has a safe and prosperous 2009!
Jack
www.textors.com
Jack Textor
Vice President
3737 Woodland Avenue
Suite #300
West Des Moines, IA 50266
515-225-7000
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I dunno=2C but I have a very attractive (but not quite correct) RV6 rudder
hanging on the wall of my garage if you need it. :)
do not archive> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Made a mistake> From: carsonvella@
yahoo.com.au> Date: Wed=2C 31 Dec 2008 01:38:08 -0800> To: pietenpol-list@m
@yahoo.com.au>> > Hi all firstly all the best for the new year and i hope m
uch building shall be done by all.> I sat my tail on the fuse the other day
and realized that I stuffed up the placement of the main spar by one inch
so the spar on the horizontal and vertical stabs don't line up=2Cthe metal
bracket has 2 bolts in the vertical but with my mistake I can only get one
in and the other would only go through the gussets.> I am thinking that I c
ould turn the bracket the other way and have 2 bolts in the Horizontal stab
and 1 in the vertical> My question is would this cause problems or do the
cables take most of the side loads?> Or should I just make a new fin and ha
ng this one on the wall as a testament to my stupidity.> Thanks> Carson> >
> > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic
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Subject: | Re: inboard wing bracing |
Jack, I just covered my wings and did not have any trouble. Instead of
rib lacing I ran 1/4 by 1/2 inch strip on top and bottom the full length
of the wing between the spars. And between the rear spar and trailing
edge I did the same. This keeps the rib from pulling in when shrinking.
I,like Barry, did not read the plans and completely missed the braces as
depicted. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack T. Textor
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
All, I need some help with the diagonal bracing for the root rib.
Barry has helped with some pictures, but I'm pretty lame. Regarding the
bracing in the middle bay.I assume I need to brace the top and bottom of
the rib. The middle bay is pretty cluttered with compression struts and
wires. Has anyone braced the rib from the struts instead of the spar?
For the rear bay, can I just brace to the middle of the rib or should I
go to the top and bottom? That's about clear as mud! Hope everyone has
a safe and prosperous 2009!
Jack
www.textors.com
Jack Textor
Vice President
3737 Woodland Avenue
Suite #300
West Des Moines, IA 50266
515-225-7000
www.thepalmergroup.com
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Subject: | Re: inboard wing bracing |
Gardiner,
It seems that adding the cap strips would have taken 5 times longer to
do than just rib stitching.
And I assume that you didn't build the original Pietenpol wing?
Cause the under side of the original wing is concave, and has to be rib
stitched, as far as I know.
Please clarify.
thanks
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Gardiner Mason
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
Jack, I just covered my wings and did not have any trouble. Instead of
rib lacing I ran 1/4 by 1/2 inch strip on top and bottom the full length
of the wing between the spars. And between the rear spar and trailing
edge I did the same. This keeps the rib from pulling in when shrinking.
I,like Barry, did not read the plans and completely missed the braces as
depicted. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack T. Textor
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
All, I need some help with the diagonal bracing for the root rib.
Barry has helped with some pictures, but I'm pretty lame. Regarding the
bracing in the middle bay.I assume I need to brace the top and bottom of
the rib. The middle bay is pretty cluttered with compression struts and
wires. Has anyone braced the rib from the struts instead of the spar?
For the rear bay, can I just brace to the middle of the rib or should I
go to the top and bottom? That's about clear as mud! Hope everyone has
a safe and prosperous 2009!
Jack
www.textors.com
Jack Textor
Vice President
3737 Woodland Avenue
Suite #300
West Des Moines, IA 50266
515-225-7000
www.thepalmergroup.com
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Subject: | Re: Made a mistake |
Thanks for the replies I was worried about adding extra weight down there do you
guys think a small block would do or should i run it all the way up to the back
of the leading edge.
Here's some pic's
Carson
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Subject: | Re: Made a mistake |
It doesn't have to be any longer than will take the top
bolt hole. Since the fin is captured by the stabilizer
the only movement the bolts resist is upward. The
bolt is then pressing downward in compression on the
wood under the bolt.
Nobody makes mistreaks here! :-)
Clif Happy New Year!
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
Thomas Edison
>
do you guys think a small block would do or should i run it all the way up
to the back of the leading edge.
> Here's some pic's
> Carson
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Subject: | Re: Made a mistake |
Carson,
Looks like a 1 1/2" triangular block would do nicely.
Cheers
Peter
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Thursday, 1 January 2009 10:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Made a mistake
Thanks for the replies I was worried about adding extra weight down there do
you guys think a small block would do or should i run it all the way up to
the back of the leading edge.
Here's some pic's
Carson
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Subject: | Re: inboard wing bracing |
A number of concave wings are not rib stitched but glued. ie. Avid.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: walt
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
Gardiner,
It seems that adding the cap strips would have taken 5 times longer to
do than just rib stitching.
And I assume that you didn't build the original Pietenpol wing?
Cause the under side of the original wing is concave, and has to be
rib stitched, as far as I know.
Please clarify.
thanks
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Gardiner Mason
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
Jack, I just covered my wings and did not have any trouble. Instead
of rib lacing I ran 1/4 by 1/2 inch strip on top and bottom the full
length of the wing between the spars. And between the rear spar and
trailing edge I did the same. This keeps the rib from pulling in when
shrinking. I,like Barry, did not read the plans and completely missed
the braces as depicted. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack T. Textor
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
All, I need some help with the diagonal bracing for the root rib.
Barry has helped with some pictures, but I'm pretty lame. Regarding the
bracing in the middle bay.I assume I need to brace the top and bottom of
the rib. The middle bay is pretty cluttered with compression struts and
wires. Has anyone braced the rib from the struts instead of the spar?
For the rear bay, can I just brace to the middle of the rib or should I
go to the top and bottom? That's about clear as mud! Hope everyone has
a safe and prosperous 2009!
Jack
www.textors.com
Jack Textor
Vice President
3737 Woodland Avenue
Suite #300
West Des Moines, IA 50266
515-225-7000
www.thepalmergroup.com
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Subject: | Re: inboard wing bracing |
Gene,
So you mean that you glue all the ribs with the fabric loose, then heat
shrink each panel?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene & Tammy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
A number of concave wings are not rib stitched but glued. ie. Avid.
Gene
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From: walt
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
Gardiner,
It seems that adding the cap strips would have taken 5 times longer
to do than just rib stitching.
And I assume that you didn't build the original Pietenpol wing?
Cause the under side of the original wing is concave, and has to be
rib stitched, as far as I know.
Please clarify.
thanks
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Gardiner Mason
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
Jack, I just covered my wings and did not have any trouble.
Instead of rib lacing I ran 1/4 by 1/2 inch strip on top and bottom the
full length of the wing between the spars. And between the rear spar and
trailing edge I did the same. This keeps the rib from pulling in when
shrinking. I,like Barry, did not read the plans and completely missed
the braces as depicted. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack T. Textor
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
All, I need some help with the diagonal bracing for the root
rib. Barry has helped with some pictures, but I'm pretty lame.
Regarding the bracing in the middle bay.I assume I need to brace the top
and bottom of the rib. The middle bay is pretty cluttered with
compression struts and wires. Has anyone braced the rib from the struts
instead of the spar? For the rear bay, can I just brace to the middle
of the rib or should I go to the top and bottom? That's about clear as
mud! Hope everyone has a safe and prosperous 2009!
Jack
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