Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Thu 01/01/09


Total Messages Posted: 13



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:21 AM - Re:Re: Pietenpol Patch Design (Richard Carden)
     2. 05:46 AM - Re: inboard wing bracing (Gene & Tammy)
     3. 06:10 AM - Re: inboard wing bracing (Gardiner Mason)
     4. 06:31 AM - Re: Re:Re: Pietenpol Patch Design (amsafetyc@aol.com)
     5. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: Made a mistake (Jack Phillips)
     6. 07:17 AM - Re: inboard wing bracing (walt)
     7. 08:21 AM - Year end (amsafetyc@aol.com)
     8. 07:07 PM - The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009 (Oscar Zuniga)
     9. 07:24 PM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009 (Ben Charvet)
    10. 08:28 PM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009 (amsafetyc@aol.com)
    11. 09:34 PM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009 (Gary Boothe)
    12. 11:05 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
    13. 11:12 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:21:18 AM PST US
    From: Richard Carden <flywrite@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re:Re: Pietenpol Patch Design
    In the for-what-it-may-be-worth department, how about the origin date, 1933, instead of the anniversary, and using a reproduction of the Piet instead of the word's Air Camper. My rationale is that (1) there would be no need to produce a new patch for every anniversary, and (2) not everybody who is building or has built a Piet is faithfully following the Air Camper plans. Or, instead of changing the proposed design, offer a second patch for we deviants. Happy (Building/Flying) New Year to All!! Dick Carden


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    Time: 05:46:01 AM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: inboard wing bracing
    I didn't build the Avid I had, so I can't answer the building details. The ribs have cap strips the fabric is glued to. Even thou Dean Wilson (the designer) suggested the glue instead of rib stitching, there is some disagreement among Avid builders as which way is best. If your really interested you might go to the Yahoo Avid site. It's a good group with lots of builders and I'm sure you'll get lots of info (and opinions) about gluing verses rib stitching. When I bought my Avid there were two small spots where the fabric was not glued down (it had been missed). All I needed to do was use a large syringe and inject glue. >From all the facts (not opinion) that I could locate I was never able to find an accident that was caused by not rib stitching, on slow aircraft such as the Piets and Avids. While flying the Avid I had zero concerns with the glued fabric, otherwise I would never have flown it. For anyone that does have concerns, they really need to rib stitch. My motto is: "I worry about everything while the plane is on the ground, so I don't have to worry about it while in the air". Just my opinion Happy New Year 20 degrees with clear skies. It's Piet flying time! Gene N502R ----- Original Message ----- From: walt To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:17 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing Gene, So you mean that you glue all the ribs with the fabric loose, then heat shrink each panel? walt evans NX140DL


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    Time: 06:10:01 AM PST US
    From: "Gardiner Mason" <airlion@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: inboard wing bracing
    Walt, I think you misunderstood me or I said it wrong. I have the piet wing with the under camber. The wood strips run along under the top and bottom of the ribs. This takes place of the rib lacing. The bottom of the wings are glued and entire wing is rib stiched and shrunk as per the poly fibre manual. I hope this clears it up. Gardiner ----- Original Message ----- From: walt To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:17 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing Gene, So you mean that you glue all the ribs with the fabric loose, then heat shrink each panel? walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:41 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing A number of concave wings are not rib stitched but glued. ie. Avid. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: walt To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing Gardiner, It seems that adding the cap strips would have taken 5 times longer to do than just rib stitching. And I assume that you didn't build the original Pietenpol wing? Cause the under side of the original wing is concave, and has to be rib stitched, as far as I know. Please clarify. thanks walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Gardiner Mason To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing Jack, I just covered my wings and did not have any trouble. Instead of rib lacing I ran 1/4 by 1/2 inch strip on top and bottom the full length of the wing between the spars. And between the rear spar and trailing edge I did the same. This keeps the rib from pulling in when shrinking. I,like Barry, did not read the plans and completely missed the braces as depicted. Cheers, Gardiner Mason ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack T. Textor To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing All, I need some help with the diagonal bracing for the root rib. Barry has helped with some pictures, but I'm pretty lame. Regarding the bracing in the middle bay.I assume I need to brace the top and bottom of the rib. The middle bay is pretty cluttered with compression struts and wires. Has anyone braced the rib from the struts instead of the spar? For the rear bay, can I just brace to the middle of the rib or should I go to the top and bottom? That's about clear as mud! Hope everyone has a safe and prosperous 2009! Jack www.textors.com Jack Textor Vice President 3737 Woodland Avenue Suite #300 West Des Moines, IA 50266 515-225-7000 www.thepalmergroup.com This e-mail, including attachments, is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential, and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, and then please delete it. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - 12/25/2008 9:40 AM


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    Time: 06:31:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re:Re: Pietenpol Patch Design
    From: amsafetyc@aol.com
    Happy New year to all, suckers like me would jump all over anything Pietenpol and get two of each. That would be 1 set of everything for me and the other for the only interested person in my family, my 4 year old Grandson. All the others are either disinterested or just hate the entire project and all that is connected to it. John ------Original Message------ From: Richard Carden Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Jan 1, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re:Re: Pietenpol Patch Design In the for-what-it-may-be-worth department, how about the origin date, 1933, instead of the anniversary, and using a reproduction of the Piet instead of the word's Air Camper. My rationale is that (1) there would be no need to produce a new patch for every anniversary, and (2) not everybody who is building or has built a Piet is faithfully following the Air Camper plans. Or, instead of changing the proposed design, offer a second patch for we deviants. Happy (Building/Flying) New Year to All!! Dick Carden Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


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    Time: 06:40:51 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Made a mistake
    Hi Carson, I would just add a small block of spruce to fill the gap between the gussets. It only needs to be long enough to give good edge distance on the bolt hole for the top bolt. The only weight added will be a few grams of spruce and epoxy. Another thing to think about before bolting the fin in place is whether or not to provide an offset to counteract torque. I put two sets of bolt holes in my stabilizer - one to make the fin right on the centerline, the other to shift the leading edge of the fin an inch to the left of the centerline. I originally assembled it with the fin offset and have not changed it. I wish I had made the holes such that it would be 1-1/2" off the centerline and that would be about right (I have a 65 Continental, it would be different and in the opposite direction if you have a Corvair). I still have to hold just a bit of right rudder in cruise. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Made a mistake Thanks for the replies I was worried about adding extra weight down there do you guys think a small block would do or should i run it all the way up to the back of the leading edge. Here's some pic's Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222068#222068 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pietenpol_052_612.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/pietenpol_051_119.jpg


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    Time: 07:17:22 AM PST US
    From: "walt" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: inboard wing bracing
    Thanks for the response. That clears it up walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Gardiner Mason To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing Walt, I think you misunderstood me or I said it wrong. I have the piet wing with the under camber. The wood strips run along under the top and bottom of the ribs. This takes place of the rib lacing. The bottom of the wings are glued and entire wing is rib stiched and shrunk as per the poly fibre manual. I hope this clears it up. Gardiner ----- Original Message ----- From: walt To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:17 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing Gene, So you mean that you glue all the ribs with the fabric loose, then heat shrink each panel? walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:41 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing A number of concave wings are not rib stitched but glued. ie. Avid. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: walt To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing Gardiner, It seems that adding the cap strips would have taken 5 times longer to do than just rib stitching. And I assume that you didn't build the original Pietenpol wing? Cause the under side of the original wing is concave, and has to be rib stitched, as far as I know. Please clarify. thanks walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Gardiner Mason To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing Jack, I just covered my wings and did not have any trouble. Instead of rib lacing I ran 1/4 by 1/2 inch strip on top and bottom the full length of the wing between the spars. And between the rear spar and trailing edge I did the same. This keeps the rib from pulling in when shrinking. I,like Barry, did not read the plans and completely missed the braces as depicted. Cheers, Gardiner Mason ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack T. Textor To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing All, I need some help with the diagonal bracing for the root rib. Barry has helped with some pictures, but I'm pretty lame. Regarding the bracing in the middle bay.I assume I need to brace the top and bottom of the rib. The middle bay is pretty cluttered with compression struts and wires. Has anyone braced the rib from the struts instead of the spar? For the rear bay, can I just brace to the middle of the rib or should I go to the top and bottom? That's about clear as mud! Hope everyone has a safe and prosperous 2009! Jack www.textors.com Jack Textor Vice President 3737 Woodland Avenue Suite #300 West Des Moines, IA 50266 515-225-7000 www.thepalmergroup.com This e-mail, including attachments, is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential, and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, and then please delete it. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 12/25/2008 9:40 AM


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    Time: 08:21:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Year end
    From: amsafetyc@aol.com
    Well gang I was in contact with my tech counselor who made his first visit last Fathers day. I thought it a fitting tribute as buildapalooza comes to a close. I was getting ready to resume my spar routing after welding up a parallel jig for the router upon his arrival. It was a really good visit. Herb Rose my Tc who you may recall was the source of an EAA article a few months ago did the inspection. Much to my pleasure he gave excellent marks for wood and metal work craftsmanship for my build. Just a really nice way to bring the year to a close. I wanted to share the good news with my fellow Piet builders. John Still a few days left to the official end of buildapalooza 08 then its back to the job and weekends only building. That sucks I sure wish I didn't need to have a job Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


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    Time: 07:07:46 PM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009
    I hereby lay claim to being the first Pietenpol list member to watch "The Great Waldo Pepper" in the new year of 2009. Actually, it was the first time I've ever seen the movie (I have it on VCR and now on DVD but had not viewed it since acquiring my own mint condition videotape). I expected a fairly lightweight film but it has EXCELLENT air action, a good story line, some very tense scenes, and I'm glad I own the movie now. I think my favorite line is going to be "I never give rides to kids- but for you I'll make an exception" (or whatever it is he tells the kid in the opening piece). Good movie. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 07:24:28 PM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009
    Well, Oscar: I got a DVD copy for Christmas and finished watching it about an hour ago, so we may be tied for the first two to watch The Great Waldo Pepper this year. I saw it in the theater when it first came out over 30 years ago, and it is still a great movie. My wife said it took a lot of shopping to find a copy, but I'm glad she did. Makes me want to fly tomorrow, but its been real windy down here in Florida. I can still hope..... Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Aircamper NX866BC (got leading edge tape, drainage grommets and root end perimeter tapes on the right wing today) Baby Ace N39D Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > I hereby lay claim to being the first Pietenpol list member to watch "The Great Waldo Pepper" in the new year of 2009. Actually, it was the first time I've ever seen the movie (I have it on VCR and now on DVD but had not viewed it since acquiring my own mint condition videotape). > > I expected a fairly lightweight film but it has EXCELLENT air action, a good story line, some very tense scenes, and I'm glad I own the movie now. > > I think my favorite line is going to be "I never give rides to kids- but for you I'll make an exception" (or whatever it is he tells the kid in the opening piece). Good movie. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > >


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    Time: 08:28:25 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009
    From: amsafetyc@aol.com
    The let me be the first to congratulate your accomplishment. Some might say its the greatest accomplishment in avaition, I my self would not. Its the greatest accomplishment since the invention of the airoplane John ------Original Message------ From: Oscar Zuniga Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Jan 1, 2009 10:06 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009 I hereby lay claim to being the first Pietenpol list member to watch "The Great Waldo Pepper" in the new year of 2009. Actually, it was the first time I've ever seen the movie (I have it on VCR and now on DVD but had not viewed it since acquiring my own mint condition videotape). I expected a fairly lightweight film but it has EXCELLENT air action, a good story line, some very tense scenes, and I'm glad I own the movie now. I think my favorite line is going to be "I never give rides to kids- but for you I'll make an exception" (or whatever it is he tells the kid in the opening piece). Good movie. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


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    Time: 09:34:35 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009
    Here we go again.... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!) (12 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of amsafetyc@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009 The let me be the first to congratulate your accomplishment. Some might say its the greatest accomplishment in avaition, I my self would not. Its the greatest accomplishment since the invention of the airoplane John ------Original Message------ From: Oscar Zuniga Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Jan 1, 2009 10:06 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009 I hereby lay claim to being the first Pietenpol list member to watch "The Great Waldo Pepper" in the new year of 2009. Actually, it was the first time I've ever seen the movie (I have it on VCR and now on DVD but had not viewed it since acquiring my own mint condition videotape). I expected a fairly lightweight film but it has EXCELLENT air action, a good story line, some very tense scenes, and I'm glad I own the movie now. I think my favorite line is going to be "I never give rides to kids- but for you I'll make an exception" (or whatever it is he tells the kid in the opening piece). Good movie. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


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    Time: 11:05:21 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
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Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. 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    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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    Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive




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