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1. 05:21 AM - Re:Re: Pietenpol Patch Design (Richard Carden)
2. 05:46 AM - Re: inboard wing bracing (Gene & Tammy)
3. 06:10 AM - Re: inboard wing bracing (Gardiner Mason)
4. 06:31 AM - Re: Re:Re: Pietenpol Patch Design (amsafetyc@aol.com)
5. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: Made a mistake (Jack Phillips)
6. 07:17 AM - Re: inboard wing bracing (walt)
7. 08:21 AM - Year end (amsafetyc@aol.com)
8. 07:07 PM - The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009 (Oscar Zuniga)
9. 07:24 PM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009 (Ben Charvet)
10. 08:28 PM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009 (amsafetyc@aol.com)
11. 09:34 PM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009 (Gary Boothe)
12. 11:05 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
13. 11:12 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re:Re: Pietenpol Patch Design |
In the for-what-it-may-be-worth department, how about the origin
date, 1933, instead of the anniversary, and using a reproduction of
the Piet instead of the word's Air Camper. My rationale is that (1)
there would be no need to produce a new patch for every anniversary,
and (2) not everybody who is building or has built a Piet is
faithfully following the Air Camper plans. Or, instead of changing
the proposed design, offer a second patch for we deviants. Happy
(Building/Flying) New Year to All!! Dick Carden
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| Subject: | Re: inboard wing bracing |
I didn't build the Avid I had, so I can't answer the building details.
The ribs have cap strips the fabric is glued to. Even thou Dean Wilson
(the designer) suggested the glue instead of rib stitching, there is
some disagreement among Avid builders as which way is best.
If your really interested you might go to the Yahoo Avid site. It's a
good group with lots of builders and I'm sure you'll get lots of info
(and opinions) about gluing verses rib stitching.
When I bought my Avid there were two small spots where the fabric was
not glued down (it had been missed). All I needed to do was use a large
syringe and inject glue.
>From all the facts (not opinion) that I could locate I was never able to
find an accident that was caused by not rib stitching, on slow aircraft
such as the Piets and Avids.
While flying the Avid I had zero concerns with the glued fabric,
otherwise I would never have flown it. For anyone that does have
concerns, they really need to rib stitch. My motto is: "I worry about
everything while the plane is on the ground, so I don't have to worry
about it while in the air".
Just my opinion
Happy New Year
20 degrees with clear skies. It's Piet flying time!
Gene N502R
----- Original Message -----
From: walt
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
Gene,
So you mean that you glue all the ribs with the fabric loose, then
heat shrink each panel?
walt evans
NX140DL
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| Subject: | Re: inboard wing bracing |
Walt, I think you misunderstood me or I said it wrong. I have the piet
wing with the under camber. The wood strips run along under the top and
bottom of the ribs. This takes place of the rib lacing. The bottom of
the wings are glued and entire wing is rib stiched and shrunk as per the
poly fibre manual. I hope this clears it up. Gardiner
----- Original Message -----
From: walt
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
Gene,
So you mean that you glue all the ribs with the fabric loose, then
heat shrink each panel?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene & Tammy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
A number of concave wings are not rib stitched but glued. ie.
Avid.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: walt
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
Gardiner,
It seems that adding the cap strips would have taken 5 times
longer to do than just rib stitching.
And I assume that you didn't build the original Pietenpol wing?
Cause the under side of the original wing is concave, and has to
be rib stitched, as far as I know.
Please clarify.
thanks
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Gardiner Mason
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
Jack, I just covered my wings and did not have any trouble.
Instead of rib lacing I ran 1/4 by 1/2 inch strip on top and bottom the
full length of the wing between the spars. And between the rear spar and
trailing edge I did the same. This keeps the rib from pulling in when
shrinking. I,like Barry, did not read the plans and completely missed
the braces as depicted. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack T. Textor
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
All, I need some help with the diagonal bracing for the root
rib. Barry has helped with some pictures, but I'm pretty lame.
Regarding the bracing in the middle bay.I assume I need to brace the top
and bottom of the rib. The middle bay is pretty cluttered with
compression struts and wires. Has anyone braced the rib from the struts
instead of the spar? For the rear bay, can I just brace to the middle
of the rib or should I go to the top and bottom? That's about clear as
mud! Hope everyone has a safe and prosperous 2009!
Jack
www.textors.com
Jack Textor
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Suite #300
West Des Moines, IA 50266
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| Subject: | Re:Re: Pietenpol Patch Design |
Happy New year to all, suckers like me would jump all over anything Pietenpol and
get two of each. That would be 1 set of everything for me and the other for
the only interested person in my family, my 4 year old Grandson.
All the others are either disinterested or just hate the entire project and all
that is connected to it.
John
------Original Message------
From: Richard Carden
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Jan 1, 2009 8:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re:Re: Pietenpol Patch Design
In the for-what-it-may-be-worth department, how about the origin
date, 1933, instead of the anniversary, and using a reproduction of
the Piet instead of the word's Air Camper. My rationale is that (1)
there would be no need to produce a new patch for every anniversary,
and (2) not everybody who is building or has built a Piet is
faithfully following the Air Camper plans. Or, instead of changing
the proposed design, offer a second patch for we deviants. Happy
(Building/Flying) New Year to All!! Dick Carden
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Re: Made a mistake |
Hi Carson,
I would just add a small block of spruce to fill the gap between the
gussets. It only needs to be long enough to give good edge distance on the
bolt hole for the top bolt. The only weight added will be a few grams of
spruce and epoxy.
Another thing to think about before bolting the fin in place is whether or
not to provide an offset to counteract torque. I put two sets of bolt holes
in my stabilizer - one to make the fin right on the centerline, the other to
shift the leading edge of the fin an inch to the left of the centerline. I
originally assembled it with the fin offset and have not changed it. I wish
I had made the holes such that it would be 1-1/2" off the centerline and
that would be about right (I have a 65 Continental, it would be different
and in the opposite direction if you have a Corvair). I still have to hold
just a bit of right rudder in cruise.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 6:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Made a mistake
Thanks for the replies I was worried about adding extra weight down there do
you guys think a small block would do or should i run it all the way up to
the back of the leading edge.
Here's some pic's
Carson
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222068#222068
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| Subject: | Re: inboard wing bracing |
Thanks for the response.
That clears it up
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Gardiner Mason
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
Walt, I think you misunderstood me or I said it wrong. I have the piet
wing with the under camber. The wood strips run along under the top and
bottom of the ribs. This takes place of the rib lacing. The bottom of
the wings are glued and entire wing is rib stiched and shrunk as per the
poly fibre manual. I hope this clears it up. Gardiner
----- Original Message -----
From: walt
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
Gene,
So you mean that you glue all the ribs with the fabric loose, then
heat shrink each panel?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene & Tammy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
A number of concave wings are not rib stitched but glued. ie.
Avid.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: walt
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
Gardiner,
It seems that adding the cap strips would have taken 5 times
longer to do than just rib stitching.
And I assume that you didn't build the original Pietenpol wing?
Cause the under side of the original wing is concave, and has
to be rib stitched, as far as I know.
Please clarify.
thanks
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Gardiner Mason
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
Jack, I just covered my wings and did not have any trouble.
Instead of rib lacing I ran 1/4 by 1/2 inch strip on top and bottom the
full length of the wing between the spars. And between the rear spar and
trailing edge I did the same. This keeps the rib from pulling in when
shrinking. I,like Barry, did not read the plans and completely missed
the braces as depicted. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack T. Textor
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: inboard wing bracing
All, I need some help with the diagonal bracing for the root
rib. Barry has helped with some pictures, but I'm pretty lame.
Regarding the bracing in the middle bay.I assume I need to brace the top
and bottom of the rib. The middle bay is pretty cluttered with
compression struts and wires. Has anyone braced the rib from the struts
instead of the spar? For the rear bay, can I just brace to the middle
of the rib or should I go to the top and bottom? That's about clear as
mud! Hope everyone has a safe and prosperous 2009!
Jack
www.textors.com
Jack Textor
Vice President
3737 Woodland Avenue
Suite #300
West Des Moines, IA 50266
515-225-7000
www.thepalmergroup.com
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Well gang I was in contact with my tech counselor who made his first visit last
Fathers day. I thought it a fitting tribute as buildapalooza comes to a close.
I was getting ready to resume my spar routing after welding up a parallel jig for
the router upon his arrival. It was a really good visit. Herb Rose my Tc who
you may recall was the source of an EAA article a few months ago did the inspection.
Much to my pleasure he gave excellent marks for wood and metal work craftsmanship
for my build.
Just a really nice way to bring the year to a close. I wanted to share the good
news with my fellow Piet builders.
John
Still a few days left to the official end of buildapalooza 08 then its back to
the job and weekends only building. That sucks I sure wish I didn't need to have
a job
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009 |
I hereby lay claim to being the first Pietenpol list member to watch "The Great
Waldo Pepper" in the new year of 2009. Actually, it was the first time I've
ever seen the movie (I have it on VCR and now on DVD but had not viewed it since
acquiring my own mint condition videotape).
I expected a fairly lightweight film but it has EXCELLENT air action, a good story
line, some very tense scenes, and I'm glad I own the movie now.
I think my favorite line is going to be "I never give rides to kids- but for you
I'll make an exception" (or whatever it is he tells the kid in the opening piece).
Good movie.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009 |
Well, Oscar:
I got a DVD copy for Christmas and finished watching it about an hour
ago, so we may be tied for the first two to watch The Great Waldo Pepper
this year. I saw it in the theater when it first came out over 30 years
ago, and it is still a great movie. My wife said it took a lot of
shopping to find a copy, but I'm glad she did.
Makes me want to fly tomorrow, but its been real windy down here in
Florida. I can still hope.....
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Aircamper NX866BC (got leading edge tape, drainage grommets and root end
perimeter tapes on the right wing today)
Baby Ace N39D
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> I hereby lay claim to being the first Pietenpol list member to watch "The Great
Waldo Pepper" in the new year of 2009. Actually, it was the first time I've
ever seen the movie (I have it on VCR and now on DVD but had not viewed it since
acquiring my own mint condition videotape).
>
> I expected a fairly lightweight film but it has EXCELLENT air action, a good
story line, some very tense scenes, and I'm glad I own the movie now.
>
> I think my favorite line is going to be "I never give rides to kids- but for
you I'll make an exception" (or whatever it is he tells the kid in the opening
piece). Good movie.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009 |
The let me be the first to congratulate your accomplishment. Some might say its
the greatest accomplishment in avaition, I my self would not. Its the greatest
accomplishment since the invention of the airoplane
John
------Original Message------
From: Oscar Zuniga
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Jan 1, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009
I hereby lay claim to being the first Pietenpol list member to watch "The Great
Waldo Pepper" in the new year of 2009. Actually, it was the first time I've
ever seen the movie (I have it on VCR and now on DVD but had not viewed it since
acquiring my own mint condition videotape).
I expected a fairly lightweight film but it has EXCELLENT air action, a good story
line, some very tense scenes, and I'm glad I own the movie now.
I think my favorite line is going to be "I never give rides to kids- but for you
I'll make an exception" (or whatever it is he tells the kid in the opening piece).
Good movie.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009 |
Here we go again....
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
(12 ribs down.)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
amsafetyc@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009
The let me be the first to congratulate your accomplishment. Some might say
its the greatest accomplishment in avaition, I my self would not. Its the
greatest accomplishment since the invention of the airoplane
John
------Original Message------
From: Oscar Zuniga
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Jan 1, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009
I hereby lay claim to being the first Pietenpol list member to watch "The
Great Waldo Pepper" in the new year of 2009. Actually, it was the first
time I've ever seen the movie (I have it on VCR and now on DVD but had not
viewed it since acquiring my own mint condition videotape).
I expected a fairly lightweight film but it has EXCELLENT air action, a good
story line, some very tense scenes, and I'm glad I own the movie now.
I think my favorite line is going to be "I never give rides to kids- but for
you I'll make an exception" (or whatever it is he tells the kid in the
opening piece). Good movie.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
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you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
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respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
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minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
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for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
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post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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- Latest version of the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Pietenpol
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
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!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
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| Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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