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1. 01:50 AM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009 (Gene Rambo)
2. 07:22 AM - Re: wing tip bows (Glenn Thomas)
3. 03:34 PM - Eyebrow baffle question (Rick Holland)
4. 03:51 PM - Re: Eyebrow baffle question (H RULE)
5. 03:56 PM - Re: Eyebrow baffle question (Gary Boothe)
6. 04:02 PM - Re: Eyebrow baffle question (shad bell)
7. 04:03 PM - Re: Eyebrow baffle question (Patrick Panzera)
8. 04:23 PM - eyebrow baffles (RBush96589@aol.com)
9. 04:46 PM - Re: Eyebrow baffle question (walt)
10. 04:59 PM - speaking of spark plugs (well I was anyway) (walt)
11. 06:46 PM - Re: NX221PT (Lagowski Morrow)
12. 07:01 PM - speaking of spark plugs (well I was anyway) (Oscar Zuniga)
13. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol aerobatics (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
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| Subject: | Re: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009 |
Most of the time those are not Jennies, they are Standards. Waldo's
plane is a Hisso powered Standard, and bouncing the prop off of
compression is one way to start it, but it does take someone in the
cockpit to do it to crank a booster mag in the cockpit. Axle's plane is
a Jenny, except when it hits the lake, then it is a Tiger Moth. It is
an OX-5 powered Jenny that Waldo props to go after Axle and Mary Beth.
I was expecting a BS flag on the 10am Waldo on new year's day, my 4 year
old (who has been quoting the movie lines since he was two) wanted to
watch it that morning, so I put it on and watched, off and on, through
very heavy eyelids! Sorry Oscar! LOL
Gene
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From: walt<mailto:waltdak@verizon.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009
Oscar,
You are correct on the propping.
I even "rewound" to see it again. He pulled it the wrong way onto the
compression, then it flipped back and started. And they did it more
than once throughout the movie
Anyone know if this is a goof on the movies part, or an unusual way to
start those Jenny engines?
walt evans
NX140DL
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From: Oscar Zuniga<mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com>
To: Pietenpol List<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper- 2009
Call me slow-witted, but besides "how the heck did they shoot those
in-air shots?" one thing that puzzled me was everytime they would prop
off a Jenny, the engine would appear to start rotating in the direction
opposite to the prop start. Just an optical illusion, I guess.
The other interesting thing was that part of it was shot in Texas.
The water tower in Poth, Texas appears in the movie... and Poth is just
east of San Antonio.
That will be my last Waldo Pepper post for the year, I think ;o) I
believe I popped the DVD into my player right around 8PM on January 1st
so I will have another bourbon & ginger ale in celebration of being the
first viewing of the new year...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
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| Subject: | Re: wing tip bows |
Sorry. I'm with Dan. It's enough of a challenge to try and build a good Piet
to the plans. When you find yourself "asking lots of questions because you just
don't know the answers", one has to ask "Why is someone with so little knowledge
of airplane design trying to redesign everything and so willing to take
the advice of uncredentialed strangers?" Build one to the plans and then use
the experience to decide how you want to redo things in the second one. This
stuff is wearing me out. It has to be taking it's toll on others too.
This is a late response because I haven't looked at this forum for about 3 weeks.
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| Subject: | Eyebrow baffle question |
Am building some eyebrow baffles for my Corvair and have a question for
anyone with eyebrow baffles, do you have to remove your baffles to remove
your spark plugs? Was thinking of drilling 1 1/4" holes in the outside of
the baffles to allow access to the plugs but would have to find some kind of
rubber plugs for the holes. Am I over-engineering these things? (something I
am constantly guilty of).
Rick
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Eyebrow baffle question |
I just remove the scews from the top of mine and bend it back'only problem
is they are now cracking where I bent them.-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________
__________________=0AFrom: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpo
l-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, January 4, 2009 6:33:04 PM=0ASubject:
Pietenpol-List: Eyebrow baffle question=0A=0AAm building some eyebrow baffl
es for my Corvair and have a question for anyone with eyebrow baffles, do y
ou have to remove your baffles to remove your spark plugs? Was thinking of
drilling 1 1/4" holes in the outside of the baffles to allow access to the
plugs but would have to find some kind of rubber plugs for the holes. Am I
over-engineering these things? (something I am constantly guilty of).=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Eyebrow baffle question |
Rick,
How difficult is it to remove your eyebrows? You shouldn't have to do it
that often.
Got any pics? I plan on using eyebrows, too.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
(12 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 3:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Eyebrow baffle question
Am building some eyebrow baffles for my Corvair and have a question for
anyone with eyebrow baffles, do you have to remove your baffles to remove
your spark plugs? Was thinking of drilling 1 1/4" holes in the outside of
the baffles to allow access to the plugs but would have to find some kind of
rubber plugs for the holes. Am I over-engineering these things? (something I
am constantly guilty of).
Rick
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Eyebrow baffle question |
Rick, We used the stock fan shroud and modified it by closing off the fan h
ole in the top and cutting the front of it out ans an inlet for cooling air
.- Long story short, look at your corvair fan shroud there are holes in i
t for access to the spark plugs.- The plug wire-sets from Clarks Corvai
r have a plug/ seal molded right on to the plug wire.- It just snaps in t
o the hole in the baffeling.- The holes are 1.5 - 2 inch I believe.- Th
ey should work for eyebrows as well, and not to many extra parts.
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Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Eyebrow baffle question |
Was thinking of drilling 1 1/4" holes in the outside of the baffles to allow
access to the plugs but would have to find some kind of rubber plugs for the
holes.
Stock Corvair wires come with such plugs and would be the way to go in this
situation.
We have what we affectionately call "mailboxes" on our test stand engine and
yes, we have to unbolt them to get at the plugs. Our wires come in through
the back.
Pat
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Hi Rick,
I cut an opening about an inch and a half or two inches wide the length
of the area over the plugs and then made a plate slightly larger than the
opening and put some baffling material under it to seal it and then just attach
it with a sheet metal screw and tinnerman nut on each end. works great and
easy access to the plugs.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
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| Subject: | Re: Eyebrow baffle question |
I borrowed a friends Cub for a 1/2 hour armed with poster board (oaktag)
masking tape, a sharpie, and scizzors.
I made a mock-up fairly easy.
I have an A-65 though.
I learned early on to make them out of dead soft aluminum.
I rolled welding rod into the leading edge, which added a nice touch.
It's a nice technique to learn, and have used it on the cowling all
around the cylinder openings.
No, I don't have to remove them to get the plugs out.
walt evans
NX140DL
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From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 6:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Eyebrow baffle question
Am building some eyebrow baffles for my Corvair and have a question
for anyone with eyebrow baffles, do you have to remove your baffles to
remove your spark plugs? Was thinking of drilling 1 1/4" holes in the
outside of the baffles to allow access to the plugs but would have to
find some kind of rubber plugs for the holes. Am I over-engineering
these things? (something I am constantly guilty of).
Rick
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | speaking of spark plugs (well I was anyway) |
Just a thought, Anyone flying/building with a Continental A-65 up to (I
guess) an O-200, and use 18mm plugs.
Being an experimental, you can use whatever plugs you want.
My Mentor gave me the heads up on this.
Go here,,,
http://www.magnetoparts.com/index.html
And new champion plugs are around $3.00 instead of $20.00 plus.
Assuming you don't have the fancy noise supperssing wires. They even
carry the snazzy wire.
I've got over 100 hours with out a burp.
Only other thing I remember, is if using Eisemann mag,,,.018" gap
walt evans
NX140DL
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Oscar, I don't know what the skullcap spinner does for speed. I do know that
I gained 4-5 mph when I put the engine cowling on. I have a 65 Cont. with
cooling eyebrows-Jim Lagowski in N.W. Michigan-near Traverse City
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX221PT
>
>
> Jim;
>
> How much does that skullcap spinner add to your top speed? ;o)
>
> Very nice airplane!!!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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>
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| Subject: | speaking of spark plugs (well I was anyway) |
Great Plains Aircraft Supply (http://www.greatplainsas.com )
has a set of 4 spark plug adapters that allows you to use your
shielded ignition wires with standard automotive plugs. Like
Walt says, they are then a fraction of the price compared to
aviation plugs. One thing to be careful of is to make sure
the plugs have the same reach (length of threaded part) as your
aviation plugs. The other thing is, I know of no
cross-reference to allow you to select an appropriate
automotive plug if you're running a Continental.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol aerobatics |
Van White from Shallowater, Texas does some pretty radical stuff in a clipped (and
strenghtened) wing cub with 180HP. He is over 80 and last year I know that
he did aerobatics about every 2 or 3 days. For years he did variations of the
drunk getting in the plane or the little old lady who wins a ride and takes off
without the instructor at regional airshows. It started with pretty radical
stuff, pinning a wing on the ground and then rotating around it and wobbling
into the air. Van said that at one point he was grounded by the FAA more than
any pilot in the US. The FAA would approve his act, but someone would not "get
the memo" and would ground him after doing his act. The next week they would
give it back.
We were talking about learning to fly and he told me that his dad had a Piet in
the late 1930s. They flew somewhere and then on the trip pack it was all they
could do to clear the telephone poles (this is NW of Lubbock, TX MSL 3000 Plus
any density altitude as the day heats up.) His dad landed in a field and told
him to get out and find a way home. Van was about 12 and had no idea where he
was. So he just started walking until he met someone who took him to the nearest
town and he hitchhiked home.
Van later bought an Aeronca C2 "flying bathtub" to learn to fly in. But his instructor
got out after about 3 hours and said it was too underpowered and dangerous
to fly with two in the plane. So Van taught himself to fly in the thing.
Sorry but the linkage of Piper cub aerobatics and Piet brought this memory back.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol aerobatics
>
> If you really want to do safe aerobatics I'd change it to a biplane with a
> swept upper wing, a 180 hp Lycoming with an inverted fuel and oil system, a
> symmetrical airfoil and a constant speed prop.
>
> Seriously, if you want aerobatic, build something else, like a Pitts
> Special. I did aerobatics in my J-3 Cub years ago. When I recovered it, I
> found every rib in the elevators were bent. I haven't done anything other
> than wingovers in the Pietenpol.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
>
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> What would you have to do , change or strengthen while building to make it
> safer or more aerobatic friendly?
>
> John
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