---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/11/09: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:11 AM - Attach and Detach (Oscar Zuniga) 2. 09:00 AM - Re: Attach and Detach (Ryan Mueller) 3. 11:23 AM - Attach and Detach (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 12:54 PM - Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon (Lawrence Williams) 5. 03:41 PM - Re: Attach and Detach (Isablcorky@aol.com) 6. 06:28 PM - I know what a wing looks like (amsafetyc@aol.com) 7. 07:08 PM - Re: flex fuel lines and filters (Dick N.) 8. 11:11 PM - Re: Attach and Detach (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:00 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Attach and Detach Corky; it's my opinion that (unfortunately), since your Aeronca is a certified aircraft, there would have to be an STC for such an auxiliary pod installation. That means testing, approvals, paperwork, etc. Anybody have a more favorable opinion? Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Southern Comfort" San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:39 AM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Attach and Detach I would think that you are correct, Oscar. According to what I see in FAR Part 43 Appdx A, I think that such a mod could arguably be defined as a major alteration, and as such needs "approval". You would get approval either buy purchasing an STC for a "belly pod" installation on an Aeronca, or you would have to get a 337 field approval (sort of a one time STC). Looking through the list of 337s and STCs at aeronca.com does not show anything for any sort of a baggage pod. While that list may not be completely comprehensive, for the sake of argument let's assume that it is correct. Without any sort of "approved data", such as either an STC or someone else's previously approved 337, it can be difficult to satisfy the Feds when trying to get such a change approved. If one was set on making such a mod, I might call or visit the guys at the local FSDO and feel them out about it first, as they are the ones that will ultimately have to sign off on it. Ryan On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > Corky; it's my opinion that (unfortunately), since your Aeronca is a > certified aircraft, there would have to be an STC for such an auxiliary pod > installation. That means testing, approvals, paperwork, etc. > > Anybody have a more favorable opinion? > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC "Southern Comfort" > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:27 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Attach and Detach One other possibility: since the Defender operated with different types of external loads in its military configuration, might there not be something similar to what you have in mind, that may already have a known attachment, size, weight, etc.-? Probably not exactly what you wanted, but may be of some use. Since a pod would affect the flying characteristics, I would think that a regime of analysis and testing would otherwise be required to obtain a 337 or other field approval. In this day and age, that kind of thing is getting harder and harder to do. In years gone by, you could work with your field or regional FAA person and get a 337, especially in places like Alaska and Texas where aircraft are/were used extensively in pipeline, ag, and ranch work and necessity was the mother of invention. But no more, since lawyers have multiplied and populated the earth. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC, "Corky's Blues" San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:17 PM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon It's great to be home again after a holiday visit with two of our children. I was able to get in a nice early evening flight in the Piet on Thursday a nd have been glowing ever since. I never stop marvelling at the honest and dependable little airplane that has been such a fulfilling part of my life. - While unpacking a box recently, I came across a few little quotes that I ha d taped up on my basement wall during the construction of my Air Camper. Th ese were the philosophy that guided me during the years of building in the days before the help (?) of the internet. - 1. Simplificate and add lightness. Gen. Billy Mitchell 2. It seems that perfection is attained not when there is nothing more to a dd, but when there is nothing more to delete. Antoine de Saint-Exupery 3. Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls a nd looks like work. Thomas Edison And finally, the HUGE ONE: 4. Strive for design simplicity, you never have to fix anything you leave o ut. Bill Lear - I also note that in the recent BPA newsletter that the man-of-action and Jo hnny-on-the-spot intrepid Piet flier, -Michael Cuy is quoted as rememberi ng the 1998 anniversary fly-in to OSH. It must have been lonely for him sin ce the rest of the flight didn't show up for about 12 months. Mike was alwa ys one to blaze the trail for the rest of us. (giggle, giggle). - Everybody plan on being in south-central Wisconsin the end of July this yea r. If you are still building......build faster!!! (This means you, Markle) - Larry Williams- xcg, xcmr, epp -=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:05 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Attach and Detach In a message dated 1/11/2009 1:24:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: But no more, since lawyers have multiplied and populated the earth. Not where this trip is intended **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! cemailfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: I know what a wing looks like From: amsafetyc@aol.com Been Building like krazy with not much to show for it other than 4 really long pieces of wood. After jigging and rejiging and arranging my shop I finally got a chance to see those 14 foot 5 inch pieces in the jig. I was beyond help at point and began to measure and square before I knew it I had 14 ribs threaded on to the spars measured marked and ready for fastening. Not to rush the process I refrained in consideration to return and glue another day. I sure do like the way that looks. With the tail feathers, fuse and a wing laid out and jiged, it looks like I almost got enough parts to build an aeroplane. John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:05 PM PST US From: "Dick N." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flex fuel lines and filters Hi again Douwe I went out to check on the Piets today as it has been way to cold to fly around here. I took a pic that I attached. Hopefully you can pick up enough detail. Just a couple of thoughts to pass along. On fuel filters, my inspector made me remove the clear one that I had inline. He said any filters must have a bypass incase they clog. The one I had was from Aircraft Spruce and didn't have bypass. If you check your gascolator on a regular basis, we all do that right, you shouldn't need the filter. Next, installing this flex point may help if you crash and the wing folds forward, however if you are upside down and have vented fuel caps, the gas will still be leaking, so stay right side up. Hopefully you can see in the pic that I have shut offs for both tanks at the source in the wing. The wells at the pickup point allow for a low point and the location for the fuel guages. My flex line goes from mid cabane to the 2 gal. header tank, behind the firewall. At that point there is also a shutoff valve. I hope this helps Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douwe Blumberg" Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:51 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: flex fuel lines and filters > > > Dick, > > Where in the system did you put flex lines? > > Another question for all of you. I have seen, and really like the idea of > a > small transparant inline filter for each line coming out of the tank. > I've > seen them on the cabanes so you can easily keep track of things and > replace > them. I've been told though that this is frowned upon because they > present > more places to clog the system. This doesn't make sense to me, as if > they're going to clog, they'll clog the carb screen. Also, I have three > outlets from my tank, so there is plenty of redundancy even if one clogs > before I can notice and replace it. I've just heard and seen so much junk > in gas systems I really like a lot of filters. > > input please. > > Thanks > > Douwe > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:07 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Attach and Detach Gee Corky, I didn't know you were coming to Canada. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:39 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Attach and Detach But no more, since lawyers have multiplied and populated the earth. 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