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1. 05:52 AM - Attach and Detach (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 06:32 AM - Aeronca baggage pod (Lawrence Williams)
3. 06:40 AM - gascolator mounting (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 10:03 AM - gascolator mounting (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 10:11 AM - Re: gascolator mounting (Phillips, Jack)
6. 10:20 AM - Wing construction (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
7. 10:24 AM - gascolator mounting (Oscar Zuniga)
8. 10:30 AM - Re: Wing construction (Phillips, Jack)
9. 11:09 AM - gascolator mounting (Oscar Zuniga)
10. 02:09 PM - Re: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon (Jim Markle)
11. 02:22 PM - Re: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon (H RULE)
12. 03:14 PM - Re: flex fuel lines and filters (Mike Tunnicliffe)
13. 03:25 PM - Re: Wing construction (Dick N.)
14. 05:37 PM - Fuel Tanks (Don Emch)
15. 06:12 PM - Re: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon (Graham Hansen)
16. 06:32 PM - Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon (Jim Markle)
17. 07:54 PM - Re: Wing construction (amsafetyc@aol.com)
18. 08:34 PM - Re: Wing construction (Gary Boothe)
19. 08:39 PM - Piet 'Bumper Stickers' (Steve Eldredge)
20. 08:43 PM - Re: Piet 'Bumper Stickers' (amsafetyc@aol.com)
21. 08:51 PM - Re: Wing construction (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Attach and Detach |
I think I'd go with wing pods if they can be made large enough to stow
what you're trying to stow. Attach to the lift strut attach points on
the wings. Much easier to get to and to mount/dismount than having
to crawl under the airplane=2C plus if you think about it=2C tiedown points
are typically at that same spot so it's a good place structurally and
doesn't affect C of G.
I'll bet the wartime L-birds hung things off the wings like that=3B
maybe even as much as 30-50 lbs. but I'm just guessing.Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Pelican's Pouch"
San Antonio=2C TX
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| Subject: | Aeronca baggage pod |
Corky-
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interestingly, we have a guy here at our airport that was an engineer for A
merican Champion (or whoever it is that now makes Citabrias, etc) and one o
f his BIG projects was to design and get approval for a baggage pod.
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The short story is that there was so much beaurocratic work to do including
wind tunnel testing and repetitive material analysis, that the company fin
ally abandoned the project as being far too expensive in time and money to
be justified. The end of another good idea trampled by red tape and layers
of government good intentions.
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So, make your own pod, slap an "experimental" sign on the side, pack up-a
nd go fly!!
-
Larry=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | gascolator mounting |
Hi all,
Can one mount the gascolator by simply attaching it to some sort of male
threaded bulkhead fitting and that that support it or does it need one of
those sheet metal brackets as well?
I see ACS has something with big flange which you drill and mount on the
firewall, which would be perfect, but not sure if this is approved.
Bingeles shows a bracket in is books.
Douwe
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| Subject: | gascolator mounting |
Douwe=3B
I used one of those bulkhead fittings to mount the gascolator on 41CC
when I rebuilt the firewall and it works great. A couple of comments thoug
h:
1. Be sure you locate the gascolator so that no part of it protrudes below
the bottom edge of the firewall. In a belly-scraper=2C you don't want the
gascolator to get peeled off and start leaking gas.
2. The installation instructions with the bulkhead fitting say to install a
doubler on the firewall. Initially I didn't think it would be necessary wi
th
the new stainless firewall that I have=2C but it is definitely needed in or
der to
keep everything rigid. Don't scrimp on size or gauge of the doubler. I th
ink
I used an aluminum disk and riveted it to the backside of the firewall.
3. Even with the doubler=2C my gascolator still had some flex to it so I ma
de a
brace for the bottom of it by bending up some heavy aluminum wire into a
V-shaped brace or stay that attaches to the lower edge of the firewall at
two points. A picture would be best but I don't have one of exactly that.
However=2C I have some that may be visible and can send those directly to y
ou
unless there are others who may be interested.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | gascolator mounting |
I made a simple bracket for my gascolator. Easier to remove and
reinstall than trying to unscrew something from the back side of the
firewall. Here's a picture:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: gascolator mounting
Douwe;
I used one of those bulkhead fittings to mount the gascolator on 41CC
when I rebuilt the firewall and it works great. A couple of comments
though:
1. Be sure you locate the gascolator so that no part of it protrudes
below
the bottom edge of the firewall. In a belly-scraper, you don't want the
gascolator to get peeled off and start leaking gas.
2. The installation instructions with the bulkhead fitting say to
install a
doubler on the firewall. Initially I didn't think it would be necessary
with
the new stainless firewall that I have, but it is definitely needed in
order to
keep everything rigid. Don't scrimp on size or gauge of the doubler. I
think
I used an aluminum disk and riveted it to the backside of the firewall.
3. Even with the doubler, my gascolator still had some flex to it so I
made a
brace for the bottom of it by bending up some heavy aluminum wire into a
V-shaped brace or stay that attaches to the lower edge of the firewall
at
two points. A picture would be best but I don't have one of exactly
that.
However, I have some that may be visible and can send those directly to
you
unless there are others who may be interested.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Wing construction |
The plans show basically a single drawing for the wing, and for some reason
I cant seem to get my head wrapped around one of my concerns. At the risk of
sounding really off the wall is there any difference I need to take into
consideration between the left and right side wings. Anything I need to reverse,
flip over or do differently or is it just as it appear 2 identical wings used
on left and right?
For some reason I just can seem to see it and before I build and end up with
2 identical right wings is there something that I am not seeing, something
different I have to do or am I making more out of this than just building 2 of
exactly the same wing assemblies?
Can some one reassure me either way, identical or different? Are there any
other things that I need to look for or do to avoid making some really large or
stupid mistake.
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | gascolator mounting |
I went ahead and put up some gascolator photos on a little website=2C
here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/gascolator.html
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Wing construction |
Make them mirror images , John. The ailerons should be out near the
tips.
Sorry - couldn't resist, but really they are mirror images.
Jack Philips
NX899JP
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
The plans show basically a single drawing for the wing, and for some
reason I cant seem to get my head wrapped around one of my concerns. At
the risk of sounding really off the wall is there any difference I need
to take into consideration between the left and right side wings.
Anything I need to reverse, flip over or do differently or is it just as
it appear 2 identical wings used on left and right?
For some reason I just can seem to see it and before I build and end up
with 2 identical right wings is there something that I am not seeing,
something different I have to do or am I making more out of this than
just building 2 of exactly the same wing assemblies?
Can some one reassure me either way, identical or different? Are there
any other things that I need to look for or do to avoid making some
really large or stupid mistake.
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | gascolator mounting |
Jack=2C you're absolutely right about the bulkhead fitting...
there is no way to remove the gascolator without literally spinning it
off of the fitting and there has to be clear space on the firewall all
around it to allow that. A bracket is much easier to deal with as far
as removal of the gascolator.
However=2C what I liked about it was that it really cleaned up and
simplified the fuel piping. One less hose=2C a couple fewer fittings.
So... just like at the cafeteria=2C you pick what you like
and put it on your plate to make your own Happy Meal!Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon |
What a coincidence! I ALSO have a quote on my shop wall:
"Larry ain't lettin' up, so....BUILD FASTER!!!"
:-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Williams
To: Pietlist
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon
It's great to be home again after a holiday visit with two of
our children. I was able to get in a nice early evening flight in the
Piet on Thursday and have been glowing ever since. I never stop
marvelling at the honest and dependable little airplane that has been
such a fulfilling part of my life.
While unpacking a box recently, I came across a few little
quotes that I had taped up on my basement wall during the construction
of my Air Camper. These were the philosophy that guided me during the
years of building in the days before the help (?) of the internet.
1. Simplificate and add lightness. Gen. Billy Mitchell
2. It seems that perfection is attained not when there is
nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to delete. Antoine
de Saint-Exupery
3. Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in
overalls and looks like work. Thomas Edison
And finally, the HUGE ONE:
4. Strive for design simplicity, you never have to fix anything
you leave out. Bill Lear
I also note that in the recent BPA newsletter that the
man-of-action and Johnny-on-the-spot intrepid Piet flier, Michael Cuy
is quoted as remembering the 1998 anniversary fly-in to OSH. It must
have been lonely for him since the rest of the flight didn't show up for
about 12 months. Mike was always one to blaze the trail for the rest of
us. (giggle, giggle).
Everybody plan on being in south-central Wisconsin the end of
July this year. If you are still building......build faster!!! (This
means you, Markle)
Larry Williams xcg, xcmr, epp
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon |
You mentioned a quote from Bill Lear there and I always remember what he sa
id when critisized about his plane being so low that one has to stoop insid
e it and he said "well ya can't stand up inside a Cadillac neither!"=0A=0A
=0Agota love em!=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________
________=0AFrom: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-lis
t@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, January 12, 2009 5:08:14 PM=0ASubject: Re:
Pietenpol-List: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon=0A=0A=0AWhat a coincid
ence!--I ALSO have a quote on my shop wall:=0A-=0A"Larry ain't-lett
in' up,-so....BUILD FASTER!!!"=0A-=0A:-)=0A-=0A-=0A----- Original M
essage ----- =0AFrom: Lawrence Williams =0ATo: Pietlist =0ASent: Sunday, Ja
nuary 11, 2009 2:53 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday
afternooon=0A=0AIt's great to be home again after a holiday visit with two
of our children. I was able to get in a nice early evening flight in the P
iet on Thursday and have been glowing ever since. I never stop marvelling a
t the honest and dependable little airplane that has been such a fulfilling
part of my life.=0A=0AWhile unpacking a box recently, I came across a few
little quotes that I had taped up on my basement wall during the constructi
on of my Air Camper. These were the philosophy that guided me during the ye
ars of building in the days before the help (?) of the internet.=0A=0A1. Si
mplificate and add lightness. Gen. Billy Mitchell=0A2. It seems that perfec
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by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. Thoma
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u never have to fix anything you leave out. Bill Lear=0A=0AI also note that
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intrepid Piet flier, -Michael Cuy is quoted as remembering the 1998 anni
versary fly-in to OSH. It must have been lonely for him since the rest of t
he flight didn't show up for about 12 months. Mike was always one to blaze
the trail for the rest of us. (giggle, giggle).=0A=0AEverybody plan on bein
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| Subject: | flex fuel lines and filters |
however if you are upside down and have vented fuel caps, the gas will still
be leaking, so stay right side up.
Hi, if you have a vent pipe that runs from the top of the tank to vent below
it will not leak in the event you become inverted. Regards Mike T.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing construction |
John
Don't take the idea of building 2 right wings too lightly, it's been
done before, not by me.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:27 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
Make them mirror images , John. The ailerons should be out near the
tips.
Sorry - couldn't resist, but really they are mirror images.
Jack Philips
NX899JP
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To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
The plans show basically a single drawing for the wing, and for some
reason I cant seem to get my head wrapped around one of my concerns. At
the risk of sounding really off the wall is there any difference I need
to take into consideration between the left and right side wings.
Anything I need to reverse, flip over or do differently or is it just as
it appear 2 identical wings used on left and right?
For some reason I just can seem to see it and before I build and end
up with 2 identical right wings is there something that I am not seeing,
something different I have to do or am I making more out of this than
just building 2 of exactly the same wing assemblies?
Can some one reassure me either way, identical or different? Are there
any other things that I need to look for or do to avoid making some
really large or stupid mistake.
Thanks
John
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Don't really know why but in addition to old airplanes I also have other strange
interests. One of them is VW Beetles. I'm an all stock guy. The custom guys
do all kinds of things with their Bugs, including custom fuel tanks. I thought
maybe their might be some interest in this website. They custom make aluminum
fuel tanks.
http://www.aluminumgastanks.net/
For those around the Ohio area I know of a fantastic racecar fab shop that can
do a great job on the welding if you take one to them that is already fabbed up.
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon |
Larry Williams and group,
I'm not saying that the saying "Simplificate and add lightness." did not
originate with General Billy MItchell, but I do have an excellent book
titled The Speed Seekers by Thomas G. Foxworth, ISBN 0-385-06050-5, and
it attributes a similar quotation to William B. Stout who fathered the
Ford Tri-Motor transport.
Beneath a photograph of Stout on page 83, it says his lifelong doctrine
was "simplicate and add lightness."
I hope you don't think of this as "nit picking" because I only wish to
reveal what I have found in Foxworth's well-researched book about the
development of racing airplanes and aero engines, primarily in the
1920's (when our favorite airplane was designed---although the Pietenpol
isn't by any stretch of the imagination a racing airplane!).
If anyone can find this book in the local library, I hereby endorse it
as a really good read.
Cheers,
Graham Hansen
(My Pietenpol CF-AUN is snowed-in here at Camrose, Alberta, Canada.
Maybe it's time to install the skis.)
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| Subject: | Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon |
Well, not to get TOO far off topic here...
"Lear" and "lazy Sunday afternoons" takes me back to my first car, a 50'
Plymouth and the Lear 4 Track cartridge player I installed in it when I
rebuilt the car (seems like I had to convert to 12v)...and the Saturday
and Sunday afternoons listening to music. Followed of course by pushing
the old Plymouth to start it since I ran down the battery...
Jim (temporarily) in cold, snowy Chicago....
----- Original Message -----
From: H RULE
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon
You mentioned a quote from Bill Lear there and I always remember what
he said when critisized about his plane being so low that one has to
stoop inside it and he said "well ya can't stand up inside a Cadillac
neither!"
gota love em!
do not archive
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From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 5:08:14 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon
What a coincidence! I ALSO have a quote on my shop wall:
"Larry ain't lettin' up, so....BUILD FASTER!!!"
:-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Williams
To: Pietlist
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon
It's great to be home again after a holiday visit with two of
our children. I was able to get in a nice early evening flight in the
Piet on Thursday and have been glowing ever since. I never stop
marvelling at the honest and dependable little airplane that has been
such a fulfilling part of my life.
While unpacking a box recently, I came across a few little
quotes that I had taped up on my basement wall during the construction
of my Air Camper. These were the philosophy that guided me during the
years of building in the days before the help (?) of the internet.
1. Simplificate and add lightness. Gen. Billy Mitchell
2. It seems that perfection is attained not when there is
nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to delete. Antoine
de Saint-Exupery
3. Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed
in overalls and looks like work. Thomas Edison
And finally, the HUGE ONE:
4. Strive for design simplicity, you never have to fix
anything you leave out. Bill Lear
I also note that in the recent BPA newsletter that the
man-of-action and Johnny-on-the-spot intrepid Piet flier, Michael Cuy
is quoted as remembering the 1998 anniversary fly-in to OSH. It must
have been lonely for him since the rest of the flight didn't show up for
about 12 months. Mike was always one to blaze the trail for the rest of
us. (giggle, giggle).
Everybody plan on being in south-central Wisconsin the end of
July this year. If you are still building......build faster!!! (This
means you, Markle)
Larry Williams xcg, xcmr, epp
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| Subject: | Wing construction |
John,
You have two spars, 2 left and 2 right. Both spars have a butt rib that
starts closest to the fuselage. Label each one #1L and #1R. As you move
outboard on each wing, label the ribs #2L, #3L, #4L, etc: #2R, #3R, #4R,
etc. When you are done you will have two wings, mirror images of each
other
and identical in all other ways. Hope this helps=85.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
(12 ribs down=85)
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
Dick
What do I need to do to make sure that doesn't happen. This has me
really
concerned. I am able to conceptualize the idea of it being 2 identical
halves of the same structure, however I am concerned that its just not
that
simple. Which is where the difficulty lies in my ability to visualize
connecting the 2 wings to the center section and have them facing the
same
direction.
is it that simple or what am I missing.
All I really need is someone to tell me they are 2 identical structures.
Thanks
John
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From: "Dick N."
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
John
Don't take the idea of building 2 right wings too lightly, it's been
done
before, not by me.
Dick N.
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From: Phillips, Jack <mailto:Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:27 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
Make them mirror images , John. The ailerons should be out near the
tips.
Sorry ' couldn=92t resist, but really they are mirror images.
Jack Philips
NX899JP
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
The plans show basically a single drawing for the wing, and for some
reason
I cant seem to get my head wrapped around one of my concerns. At the
risk of
sounding really off the wall is there any difference I need to take into
consideration between the left and right side wings. Anything I need to
reverse, flip over or do differently or is it just as it appear 2
identical
wings used on left and right?
For some reason I just can seem to see it and before I build and end up
with
2 identical right wings is there something that I am not seeing,
something
different I have to do or am I making more out of this than just
building 2
of exactly the same wing assemblies?
Can some one reassure me either way, identical or different? Are there
any
other things that I need to look for or do to avoid making some really
large
or stupid mistake.
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | Piet 'Bumper Stickers' |
Just toying with ideas on patches and thought I'd bounce the idea of a bump
er sticker off the list...
What do you think of this kind of 'international' look?
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Neat
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From: Steve Eldredge <steve@byu.edu>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet 'Bumper Stickers'
Just toying with ideas on patches and thought I'd bounce
the idea of a bumper sticker off the list...
What do you think of this kind of 'international' look?
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Steve E
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| Subject: | Re: Wing construction |
Since this is really difficult for you, why not just have the
wing plan page copied in reverse.
Is there someone near you or, if you belong, an EAA
member that can check your work.
Since we all really like pictures, send them along as
you progress, particularely when you've come to an
irreversable juncture in the build, like just before
glueing ribs for instance.
Most of the bits and pieces are all identical. All the
ribs are the same, all four spars are the same. the
only difference there is that one wing will have the
pointy( outboard ) end of the spars on the left and
on the other wing those ends will be on the right.
Clif
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Dick
What do I need to do to make sure that doesn't happen. This has me
really concerned.
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