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1. 04:36 AM - Re: Wing construction (H RULE)
2. 04:50 AM - Re: Wing construction (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
3. 04:51 AM - Re: Wing construction (H RULE)
4. 05:05 AM - passenger warning placard (Douwe Blumberg)
5. 05:16 AM - Re: Wing construction (Michael Perez)
6. 05:37 AM - Re: Wing construction (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
7. 06:10 AM - Re: Wing construction (Michael Perez)
8. 06:23 AM - Re: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon (Lagowski Morrow)
9. 06:54 AM - Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternoon (Oscar Zuniga)
10. 08:20 AM - Re: passenger warning placard (Michael Groah)
11. 09:11 AM - Wing construction (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
12. 09:22 AM - Re: Wing construction (H RULE)
13. 09:31 AM - Re: Wing construction (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
14. 09:42 AM - Re: Wing construction (Roman Bukolt)
15. 09:58 AM - Wing construction (Oscar Zuniga)
16. 10:06 AM - in Texas: Wing construction (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
17. 10:33 AM - Re: passenger warning placard (Dick N.)
18. 10:33 AM - Re: Wing construction (Ed G.)
19. 10:34 AM - Sun n Fun (Dick N.)
20. 10:43 AM - Re: Wing construction (H RULE)
21. 10:47 AM - Re: Wing construction (H RULE)
22. 10:48 AM - Re: Sun n Fun (Phillips, Jack)
23. 11:01 AM - Re: Wing construction (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
24. 11:29 AM - Re: Wing construction (Phillips, Jack)
25. 11:29 AM - Re: Sun n Fun (H RULE)
26. 11:55 AM - Re: Re: Wing construction OT (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
27. 11:58 AM - Re: Wing construction (Robert Gow)
28. 12:51 PM - port wine and night lighting (Oscar Zuniga)
29. 12:58 PM - Re: port wine and night lighting (Robert Gow)
30. 01:10 PM - Re: Wing construction (Bill Church)
31. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: Wing construction OT (H RULE)
32. 01:47 PM - Re: Sun n Fun (Dick N.)
33. 03:18 PM - Re: Sun n Fun (Jack Phillips)
34. 04:33 PM - Re: Sun n Fun (Jim Ash)
35. 05:40 PM - warning placard (Douwe Blumberg)
36. 06:33 PM - Re: port wine and night lighting (Clif Dawson)
37. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: Sun n Fun (Jim)
38. 07:56 PM - Re: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon OT (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
39. 09:04 PM - Re: port wine and night lighting (Bill Princell)
40. 10:03 PM - Re: warning placard (Dick N.)
41. 10:03 PM - Re: Sun n Fun (Dick N.)
42. 10:14 PM - Re: Re: Sun n Fun (Dick N.)
43. 10:26 PM - Re: Sun n Fun (Dick N.)
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Subject: | Re: Wing construction |
Wings are like nails;you only use the pointy end for that side.If you pick
the nail up and the blunt end is pointing towards the wall then that nail i
s obviously used on the opposite wall;-)=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
________________________________=0AFrom: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:51:
33 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction=0A=0A=0ASince this i
s really difficult for you, why not just have the=0Awing plan page copied i
n reverse.=0A-=0AIs there someone near you or, if you belong, an EAA=0Ame
mber that can check your work.=0A-=0ASince we- all really like pictures
, send them along as=0Ayou progress, particularely when you've come to an
=0Airreversable juncture in the build, like just before-=0Aglueing ribs f
or instance.=0A-=0AMost of the bits and pieces are all identical. All the
=0Aribs are the same, all four spars are the same. the=0Aonly difference th
ere is that one wing will have the=0Apointy( outboard ) end of the spars-
on the left and =0Aon the other wing-those ends-will be on the right.
=0A-=0A-=0AClif=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: amsafetyc@aol.c
om =0ADick=0A=0AWhat do I need to do to make sure that doesn't happen. This
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Subject: | Re: Wing construction |
Do you have room to lay everything out for each wing? That way you could lay
out the order of the parts, and where they go before gluing or jigging
anything. When you start assembling the wings, go from the layout to the jig one
piece at a time. Sometimes, I have to visualize things rather than just
thinking them out...
Boyce
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Subject: | Re: Wing construction |
Actually what I said isn't entirely correct but I just couldn't help myself
.It's the newfy in me!=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________
_________________=0AFrom: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-l
ist@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:34:40 AM=0ASubject: R
e: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction=0A=0A=0AWings are like nails;you only
use the pointy end for that side.If you pick the nail up and the blunt end
is pointing towards the wall then that nail is obviously used on the opposi
te wall;-)=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________________
__=0AFrom: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics
.com=0ASent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:51:33 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-
List: Wing construction=0A=0A=0ASince this is really difficult for you, why
not just have the=0Awing plan page copied in reverse.=0A-=0AIs there som
eone near you or, if you belong, an EAA=0Amember that can check your work.
=0A-=0ASince we- all really like pictures, send them along as=0Ayou pro
gress, particularely when you've come to an=0Airreversable juncture in the
build, like just before-=0Aglueing ribs for instance.=0A-=0AMost of the
bits and pieces are all identical. All the=0Aribs are the same, all four s
pars are the same. the=0Aonly difference there is that one wing will have t
he=0Apointy( outboard ) end of the spars-on the left and =0Aon the other
wing-those ends-will be on the right.=0A-=0A-=0AClif=0A----- Origin
al Message ----- =0AFrom: amsafetyc@aol.com =0ADick=0A=0AWhat do I need to
do to make sure that doesn't happen. This has me really concerned. =0A=0A
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Subject: | passenger warning placard |
Who sells metal passenger warning placards?
ACS only seems to seel rub ons.
D
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Subject: | Re: Wing construction |
Since the plan shows a full left wing, if you build two wings as shown, you
will end up with two left wings.- Build the first wing as shown. This wi
ll teach you how to build the wing and along the way you will learn how to
lay things out, drill holes, make the cuts, mark the rib locations, etc. No
w that you have built one wing, the second is much easier. As mentioned, th
is right wing needs to be like a mirror image. So, if your first wing's tip
was on the left as shown, you need to lay out the right wing with the tip
on the right. Keep the leading edge forward away from you and the trailing
edge close to you.
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As far as differences in the wings themselves, there isn't any. They are th
e same; one for the left one for the right.
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One note: on the center section end of the spars, you cut a small angle on
the bottom of the spar where the attaching strap for the cabane strut attac
hes. Use this angle as a reference! This angle must ALWAYS be on the bottom
! I ALMOST started to drill my holes for the flying struts with this angle
on top of the spar. (Spar was upside down) With this angle on the bottom, y
ou will have two spars with the tapered end for the wing tip on the right e
nd of the spar and two with the wing tip taper on the left end.
-
If I was at home, I would send you pictures as I am building my first wing
now as well.
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Subject: | Re: Wing construction |
Mike,
That's perfect, and the answer I was actually looking for. I started my left
wing with the square cut end in my holding jig and faced the leading edge
while laying out the ribs which gave me a left wing. If I place my wing tip ends
into my holding jig and I populate the spar with the from the trailing edge
it should yield a right wing. Due to tight spatial constraints its near
impossible to center the fuse and lay out both wings so the visual picture
represents the actual layout all of which makes it near impossible to see the
difference. Which was the essence of my question.
Just to make certain I got it all in the proper perspective I would
appreciate any pics or illustrations you are willing to send.
Thanks you and all that responded I appreciate the help.
John
In a message dated 1/13/2009 8:16:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
speedbrake@sbcglobal.net writes:
Since the plan shows a full left wing, if you build two wings as shown, you
will end up with two left wings. Build the first wing as shown. This will
teach you how to build the wing and along the way you will learn how to lay
things out, drill holes, make the cuts, mark the rib locations, etc. Now that
you have built one wing, the second is much easier. As mentioned, this right
wing needs to be like a mirror image. So, if your first wing's tip was on the
left as shown, you need to lay out the right wing with the tip on the right.
Keep the leading edge forward away from you and the trailing edge close to
you.
As far as differences in the wings themselves, there isn't any. They are the
same; one for the left one for the right.
One note: on the center section end of the spars, you cut a small angle on
the bottom of the spar where the attaching strap for the cabane strut
attaches. Use this angle as a reference! This angle must ALWAYS be on the bottom!
I
ALMOST started to drill my holes for the flying struts with this angle on top
of the spar. (Spar was upside down) With this angle on the bottom, you will
have two spars with the tapered end for the wing tip on the right end of the
spar and two with the wing tip taper on the left end.
If I was at home, I would send you pictures as I am building my first wing
now as well.
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Subject: | Re: Wing construction |
Glad I can help. I have some pictures here at work that I can send right aw
ay. Would you prefer I send these directly to you as opposed to taking up s
pace here on the list?
-
If you-use that small angle cut on bottom of the center section end of th
e spars as a reference, this will help you keep things oriented. (well, it
did for me.)- ALWAYS keep this on the bottom and towards the center secti
on. (in your head...no need to drag out the center section...or build it if
you have not.)- This will also keep everything correct when you drill th
e slated hole locations for the center attaching hardware and the wing stru
t hardware. These slanted bolt locations all slant IN TOWARDS THE CENTER SE
CTION, from the top of the spar to the bottom. Not sure why, but I looked l
ong and hard at my spars and the plans to get this right. It took a little
time for me to visualize what was going on. You don't want to drill the hol
es in the wrong angle or with the spar upside down!
-
Pictures on the way.
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Subject: | Re: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon |
My favorite quote is, "The obscure is recognized eventually, the obvious
takes longer". The other one I like is, "Due to the shortage of
experienced trumpet players doomsday will be postponed for 3 weeks"
Jim Lagowski
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From: Jim Markle
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon
What a coincidence! I ALSO have a quote on my shop wall:
"Larry ain't lettin' up, so....BUILD FASTER!!!"
:-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Williams
To: Pietlist
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon
It's great to be home again after a holiday visit with two of
our children. I was able to get in a nice early evening flight in the
Piet on Thursday and have been glowing ever since. I never stop
marvelling at the honest and dependable little airplane that has been
such a fulfilling part of my life.
While unpacking a box recently, I came across a few little
quotes that I had taped up on my basement wall during the construction
of my Air Camper. These were the philosophy that guided me during the
years of building in the days before the help (?) of the internet.
1. Simplificate and add lightness. Gen. Billy Mitchell
2. It seems that perfection is attained not when there is
nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to delete. Antoine
de Saint-Exupery
3. Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed
in overalls and looks like work. Thomas Edison
And finally, the HUGE ONE:
4. Strive for design simplicity, you never have to fix
anything you leave out. Bill Lear
I also note that in the recent BPA newsletter that the
man-of-action and Johnny-on-the-spot intrepid Piet flier, Michael Cuy
is quoted as remembering the 1998 anniversary fly-in to OSH. It must
have been lonely for him since the rest of the flight didn't show up for
about 12 months. Mike was always one to blaze the trail for the rest of
us. (giggle, giggle).
Everybody plan on being in south-central Wisconsin the end of
July this year. If you are still building......build faster!!! (This
means you, Markle)
Larry Williams xcg, xcmr, epp
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Subject: | Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternoon |
My favorite aviation quote is getting to be this one from
William Wynne:
"Today you're one day closer to losing your medical".
So get busy building (Markle)!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: passenger warning placard |
I got my metal passenger warning placard at Wicks.
Michael Groah
Tulare CA
Who sells metal passenger warning placards?
ACS only seems to seel rub ons.
D
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Subject: | Wing construction |
Also keep in mind ...(and the plans don't tell you this) when flying
along the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound, the right wing points
toward water,
but going eastbound it points toward land.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Wing construction |
red is port or left and green is starboard or right;just in case you were t
hinking of putting lights on the wing tips=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASR
C]" <Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue
sday, January 13, 2009 12:10:40 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Wing construc
tion=0A=0A=0A-=0AAlso keep in mind ...(and the plans don't tell you this)
when flying along the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound, -the right
wing points toward water, =0Abut going eastbound it points toward land. =0A
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Subject: | Re: Wing construction |
thanks for the advice, any other tidbits you care to share, is that the red
nail and the green one?
In a message dated 1/13/2009 12:22:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
harvey.rule@rogers.com writes:
red is port or left and green is starboard or right;just in case you were
thinking of putting lights on the wing tips
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:10:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
Also keep in mind ...(and the plans don't tell you this) when flying along
the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound, the right wing points toward
water,
but going eastbound it points toward land.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Wing construction |
FVI
When I taught sailing on the Great Lakes, I reminded my students the
Red (like the color of wine) is a short word as is Port
Right is long word, as is starboard.
On Jan 13, 2009, at 11:21 AM, H RULE wrote:
> red is port or left and green is starboard or right;just in case you
> were thinking of putting lights on the wing tips
>
> do not archive
>
> From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:10:40 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
>
>
> Also keep in mind ...(and the plans don't tell you this) when flying
> along the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound, the right wing
> points toward water,
> but going eastbound it points toward land.
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
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Subject: | Wing construction |
Mikee wrote-
>when flying along the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound=2C
>the right wing points toward water=2C but going eastbound it points
>toward land.
I think when you're on this side of the Mississippi=2C the opposite is true
.
I've noticed that when I turn to a northerly heading when I'm headed
due east=2C my left wing dips. When I turn to a southerly heading while
headed due west=2C it does the same thing. Maybe 41CC was built with
the two wings the same instead of mirrored?
do not archive
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | in Texas: Wing construction |
Oscar,
I heard that everything is 'bigger' in Texas so maybe you have two wings
built the same in stead of mirrored but
are they bigger ?
Heard a good memory jog for the port/starboard, red/green rules:
"There was a sailor named Red of left the port..."
Mike C.
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: passenger warning placard |
I used the one from Wicks. pn#PC100-015S It is stainless and screws on.
I'm looking at their 2006 catalog and it's on pg 339.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: passenger warning placard
> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
> Who sells metal passenger warning placards?
>
> ACS only seems to seel rub ons.
>
> D
>
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Subject: | Wing construction |
I've always gone by " Port wine is red "
From: conceptmodels@tds.netTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Pie
tenpol-List: Wing constructionDate: Tue=2C 13 Jan 2009 11:41:53 -0600
FVIWhen I taught sailing on the Great Lakes=2C I reminded my students the R
ed (like the color of wine) is a short word as is Port
Right is long word=2C as is starboard.
On Jan 13=2C 2009=2C at 11:21 AM=2C H RULE wrote:
red is port or left and green is starboard or right=3Bjust in case you were
thinking of putting lights on the wing tips
do not archive
From: "Cuy=2C Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov>To: piet
enpol-list@matronics.comSent: Tuesday=2C January 13=2C 2009 12:10:40 PMSubj
ect: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
Also keep in mind ...(and the plans don't tell you this) when flying along
the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound=2C the right wing points toward
water=2C
but going eastbound it points toward land.
Mike C.
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It's time to start thinking about spring. Does anyone want to jump
start a project? We are looking for a project for the Wood Forum at Sun
n Fun. You could bring materials and drive away with a completed basic
fuselage or a set of wings, one left and one right at the end of the
show. Let me know if you would like to discuss further how to take the
next step.
There are several of us from the list who participate and help.
Dick N.
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all the short words go together;red, left, port.All the long words go toget
her;starboard,right,green.It doesn't get any easier than that.=0A=0A=0Ado n
ot archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Roman Buk
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my students the Red (like the color of wine) is a short word as is Port =0A
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not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:-"Cuy,
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use the red nail on the left side and the green one on the right;-0=0A=0A
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13, 2009 12:30:35 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction=0A=0A
thanks for the advice, any other tidbits you care to share, is that the red
nail and the green one?=0A=0AIn a message dated 1/13/2009 12:22:58 P.M. Ea
stern Standard Time, harvey.rule@rogers.com writes:=0Ared is port or left a
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ghts on the wing tips=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________
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12:10:40 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction=0A=0A=0A-=0AAls
o keep in mind ...(and the plans don't tell you this) when flying along the
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I'd like to start a Falco
Jack Phillips
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick N.
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun
It's time to start thinking about spring. Does anyone want to jump
start a project? We are looking for a project for the Wood Forum at Sun
n Fun. You could bring materials and drive away with a completed basic
fuselage or a set of wings, one left and one right at the end of the
show. Let me know if you would like to discuss further how to take the
next step.
There are several of us from the list who participate and help.
Dick N.
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Subject: | Re: Wing construction |
A Sailor named RED, LEFT the PORT.
----- Original Message -----
From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
> all the short words go together;red, left, port.All the long words
> go together;starboard,right,green.It doesn't get any easier than that.
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Roman Bukolt <
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:41:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
>
>
>
> FVIWhen I taught sailing on the Great Lakes, I reminded my students the Red (like
the color of wine) is a short word as is Port
> Right is long word, as is starboard.
>
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2009, at 11:21 AM, H RULE wrote:
>
> red is port or left and green is starboard or right;just in case you were thinking
of putting lights on the wing tips
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From:"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <
> To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent:Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:10:40 PM
> Subject:Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
>
>
>
> Also keep in mind ...(and the plans don't tell you this) when flying along the
shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound, the right wing points toward water,
> but going eastbound it points toward land.
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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Subject: | Wing construction |
OK, must be a slow day to get bogged down with all this useless trivia. Where
did words like "starboard" and "Port" come from? Why not just use left and right?
Turns out that until about 1240 AD, when ships began using a rudder mounted on
the vessel's centerline, it was customary to use a steering oar hanging off the
side near the rear of the ship for steering. Originally it was just an oar,
but gradually it became bigger, with more surface area, and it became known as
the steering board. Custom had it that the steering board was always on the
right side of the ship.
Naturally, "steering board" gradually got corrupted to "starboard", and since the
starboard was always on the right side, you would dock the ship on the side
away from the board to keep from damaging it. Thus the other side was always
the side that faced the port.
As Paul Harvey used to say "now you know the rest of the story"
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Now back away from the computer and start making sawdust.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
A Sailor named RED, LEFT the PORT.
----- Original Message -----
From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
> all the short words go together;red, left, port.All the long words
> go together;starboard,right,green.It doesn't get any easier than that.
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Roman Bukolt <
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:41:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
>
>
>
> FVIWhen I taught sailing on the Great Lakes, I reminded my students the Red (like
the color of wine) is a short word as is Port
> Right is long word, as is starboard.
>
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2009, at 11:21 AM, H RULE wrote:
>
> red is port or left and green is starboard or right;just in case you were thinking
of putting lights on the wing tips
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From:"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <
> To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent:Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:10:40 PM
> Subject:Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
>
>
>
> Also keep in mind ...(and the plans don't tell you this) when flying along the
shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound, the right wing points toward water,
> but going eastbound it points toward land.
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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That's a real sleek aircraft;I saw one featured in Kit Planes a few months
back=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0AFrom: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>=0ATo: pietenpo
l-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:47:47 PM=0ASubject
: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun=0A=0A=0AI=A2d like to start a Falco=0A-
=0AJack Phillips=0A-=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom:owne
r-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick N.=0ASent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:34 P
M=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun
=0A-=0AIt's time to start thinking about spring.- Does anyone want to j
ump start a project?- We are looking for a project for the Wood Forum at
Sun n Fun.- You could bring materials and drive away with a completed bas
ic fuselage or a set of wings, one left and one right at the end of the sho
w.- Let me know if you would like to discuss further how to take the next
step.=0AThere are several of us from the list who participate and help.=0A
Dick N.=0A -=0A -=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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Subject: | Re: Wing construction OT |
Do Not Archive
Off topic
POSH stands for
Port Outbound, Starboard Homebound.
Sailing from Great Britian to India the better cabins were the ones that faced
land. So POSH. The cheaper cabins faced the ocean the whole time.
Steve "master of trivia" D
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
>
> OK, must be a slow day to get bogged down with all this useless trivia. Where
did words like "starboard" and "Port" come from? Why not just use left and
> right?
>
> Turns out that until about 1240 AD, when ships began using a
> rudder mounted on the vessel's centerline, it was customary to use
> a steering oar hanging off the side near the rear of the ship for
> steering. Originally it was just an oar, but gradually it became
> bigger, with more surface area, and it became known as the
> steering board. Custom had it that the steering board was always
> on the right side of the ship.
>
> Naturally, "steering board" gradually got corrupted to
> "starboard", and since the starboard was always on the right side,
> you would dock the ship on the side away from the board to keep
> from damaging it. Thus the other side was always the side that
> faced the port.
>
> As Paul Harvey used to say "now you know the rest of the story"
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Now back away from the computer and start making sawdust.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D
> MAJ NG NG NGB
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:59 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
>
> NGB" <
>
> A Sailor named RED, LEFT the PORT.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: H RULE <
> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:51
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> > all the short words go together;red, left, port.All the long words
> > go together;starboard,right,green.It doesn't get any easier than that.
> >
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Roman Bukolt <> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:41:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
> >
> >
> >
> > FVIWhen I taught sailing on the Great Lakes, I reminded my students the Red
(like the color of wine) is a short word as is Port
> > Right is long word, as is starboard.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 13, 2009, at 11:21 AM, H RULE wrote:
> >
> > red is port or left and green is starboard or right;just in case you were thinking
of putting lights on the wing tips
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From:"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <> To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Sent:Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:10:40 PM
> > Subject:Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
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> >
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> > Also keep in mind ...(and the plans don't tell you this) when flying along
the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound, the right wing points toward water,
> > but going eastbound it points toward land.
> >
> > Mike C.
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Subject: | Wing construction |
There is no red port wine left.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dortch,
Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB
Sent: January 13, 2009 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
A Sailor named RED, LEFT the PORT.
----- Original Message -----
From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
> all the short words go together;red, left, port.All the long words
> go together;starboard,right,green.It doesn't get any easier than that.
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Roman Bukolt <
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:41:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
>
>
> FVIWhen I taught sailing on the Great Lakes, I reminded my students the
Red (like the color of wine) is a short word as is Port
> Right is long word, as is starboard.
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2009, at 11:21 AM, H RULE wrote:
>
> red is port or left and green is starboard or right;just in case you were
thinking of putting lights on the wing tips
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________
> From:"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <
> To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent:Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:10:40 PM
> Subject:Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
>
>
>
> Also keep in mind ...(and the plans don't tell you this) when flying along
the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound, the right wing points toward
water,
> but going eastbound it points toward land.
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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Subject: | port wine and night lighting |
You said there is no red port wine left=2C right? How about green then?
Would Red be right departing=2C too=2C or would that only be if he was
staying in a posh stateroom where he can see Bombay from the
verandah?
I have a similar question. Is anybody flying a Piet with night lighting=2C
and if so- how often do you actually fly it at night? I know I've seen
pix of several that have recognition lights but I'm not sure I've ever
seen one with a landing light. Just curious.
Pass the port wine=2C if there's any left. I'm grounding myself for awhile
.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC=2C day VFR only
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
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Subject: | port wine and night lighting |
I used to fly my Chief on skis at night without lights from an unlit strip.
You needed a moonlight winter night in January or February with a good snow
cover. The world lit up like nothing you have ever seen before! I had
radium dials on the airspeed and altimeter. What a rush!
do not archive
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: January 13, 2009 3:50 PM
To: Pietenpol List
Subject: Pietenpol-List: port wine and night lighting
You said there is no red port wine left, right? How about green then?
Would Red be right departing, too, or would that only be if he was
staying in a posh stateroom where he can see Bombay from the
verandah?
I have a similar question. Is anybody flying a Piet with night lighting,
and if so- how often do you actually fly it at night? I know I've seen
pix of several that have recognition lights but I'm not sure I've ever
seen one with a landing light. Just curious.
Pass the port wine, if there's any left. I'm grounding myself for awhile.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC, day VFR only
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Wing construction |
Actually, just referring to left and right is easier - nevermind all this
"boat" stuff.
Now ... is that left and right when sitting in the plane, or when facing
it???
(By the way, this is a joke. Just have a chuckle and delete. Or, don't
bother with the chuckle part. Just don't feel compelled to reply with
"serious" answers - because the question is NOT serious.)
BC
do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H RULE
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction
all the short words go together;red, left, port.All the long words go
together;starboard,right,green.It doesn't get any easier than that.
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Wing construction OT |
WOW!!!!=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________________
__=0AFrom: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:52:
46 PM=0ASubject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction OT=0A=0A--> Piet
enpol-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.do
rtch@us.army.mil>=0A=0ADo Not Archive=0A=0AOff topic=0A=0APOSH stands for
=0APort Outbound, Starboard Homebound. =0A=0ASailing from Great Britian to
India the better cabins were the ones that faced land. So POSH. The cheaper
cabins faced the ocean the whole time. =0A=0ASteve "master of trivia" D=0A
=0A----- Original Message -----=0AFrom: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@car
dinalhealth.com>=0ADate: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 13:46=0ASubject: RE: Pie
tenpol-List: Wing construction=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A=0A=0A>
be a slow day to get bogged down with all this useless trivia.- Where di
d words like "starboard" and "Port" come from?- Why not just use left and
=0A> right?- =0A> =0A> Turns out that until about 1240 AD, when ships be
gan using a =0A> rudder mounted on the vessel's centerline, it was customar
y to use =0A> a steering oar hanging off the side near the rear of the ship
for =0A> steering.- Originally it was just an oar, but gradually it beca
me =0A> bigger, with more surface area, and it became known as the =0A> ste
ering board.- Custom had it that the steering board was always =0A> on th
e right side of the ship.- =0A> =0A> Naturally, "steering board" graduall
y got corrupted to =0A> "starboard", and since the starboard was always on
the right side, =0A> you would dock the ship on the side away from the boar
d to keep =0A> from damaging it.- Thus the other side was always the side
that =0A> faced the port.=0A> =0A> As Paul Harvey used to say "now you kno
w the rest of the story"=0A> =0A> Jack Phillips=0A> NX899JP=0A> Now back aw
ay from the computer and start making sawdust.=0A> =0A> -----Original Messa
ge-----=0A> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
=0A> pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D =0A
> MAJ NG NG NGB=0A> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:59 PM=0A> To: pietenp
ol-list@matronics.com=0A> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction=0A
=0A> NGB" <=0A> =0A> A Sailor named RED, LEFT the PORT. =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>
----- Original Message -----=0A> From: H RULE <=0A> Date: Tuesday, January
13, 2009 12:51=0A> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction=0A> To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A> =0A> =0A> > all the short words go togethe
r;red, left, port.All the long words =0A> > go together;starboard,right,gre
en.It doesn't get any easier than that.=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > do not archive
=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > ________________________________=0A> > F
rom: Roman Bukolt <> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A> > Sent: Tuesday,
January 13, 2009 12:41:53 PM=0A> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing constr
uction=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > FVIWhen I taught sailing on the Great Lak
es, I reminded my students the Red (like the color of wine) is a short word
as is Port =0A> > Right is -long word, as is starboard.=0A> > =0A> > =0A
> > =0A> > On Jan 13, 2009, at 11:21 AM, H RULE wrote:=0A> > =0A> > red is
port or left and green is starboard or right;just in case you were thinking
of putting lights on the wing tips=0A> > =0A> > do not archive=0A> > =0A>
> =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > ________________________________=0A> > From:-"Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <> To:-pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A> > S
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Jack
The Falco looks like a mighty nice plane. That would be a great
project. You know many of the crew down there. Let me know if that is
something you would like to do.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun
I'd like to start a Falco
Jack Phillips
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick N.
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:34 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun
It's time to start thinking about spring. Does anyone want to jump
start a project? We are looking for a project for the Wood Forum at Sun
n Fun. You could bring materials and drive away with a completed basic
fuselage or a set of wings, one left and one right at the end of the
show. Let me know if you would like to discuss further how to take the
next step.
There are several of us from the list who participate and help.
Dick N.
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Just kidding, Dick. I'd love to build a Falco, but I need to finish the
RV-10 first. I think Karen would kill me if I started another project.
Jack
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick N.
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun
Jack
The Falco looks like a mighty nice plane. That would be a great project.
You know many of the crew down there. Let me know if that is something you
would like to do.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack <mailto:Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun
I'd like to start a Falco
Jack Phillips
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick N.
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun
It's time to start thinking about spring. Does anyone want to jump start a
project? We are looking for a project for the Wood Forum at Sun n Fun. You
could bring materials and drive away with a completed basic fuselage or a
set of wings, one left and one right at the end of the show. Let me know if
you would like to discuss further how to take the next step.
There are several of us from the list who participate and help.
Dick N.
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Dick -
It's quite a tempting offer. My plans for building a Piet are for the long fuselage
in tube and fabric, which doesn't do the wood workshop much good. That being
said, I've got a set of Charlie Rubeck's ribs (safely preserved in the shipping
boxes from him) and it would be really cool to put together a wing or two
at Sun 'n Fun. I haven't really decided on a one- or three-piece wing, and could
probably be swayed either way.
For the last few years, this has been the time of year when I start waffling on
going or not, although it's been a while since I missed one, and I just got my
10 year pin from Monda last year, so there might be some guilt involved. I only
officially get two weeks a year of vacation from my current employer, but
it's been combined with sick time as PTO now, and I lost a week and a half last
fall doing battle with my gall bladder.
Three issues come to mind, probably all resolvable. The first is logistics. I'm
not quite sure how I'd get a pair of wings (or partial wings) back to New Hampshire.
The second is that my responsibilities are with metal shaping. In years
past, I've said I'll take the time this year to do this or that, but when we
get cranking in the workshop, the day is gone before you know it, as you well
know. In all fairness, I probably can't commit to spending much quality time
with the woodworkers, despite all good intentions. The third (and I suspect minor)
issue is about the paperwork. I've done nothing officially with the FAA (or
EAA) to start this project. I was going to consult with a guy up here who's
built a couple experimentals (including a Piet) for some guidance and possibly
getting hooked up with a technical advisor and/or DAR. Although I don't live
right in the Styx, you can see it from here, and these things aren't as conveniently
available as in some of the more 'civilized' areas. I'm not sure the sequence
of events to bringing an experimental to life, but I didn't want to commit
the faux-pas of starting construction if I was supposed to do some paperwork
first.
I suppose I could be swayed if you'd give me the radial off the front of yours.....
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Dick N." <horzpool@goldengate.net>
>Sent: Jan 13, 2009 1:33 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun
>
>It's time to start thinking about spring. Does anyone want to jump start a project?
We are looking for a project for the Wood Forum at Sun n Fun. You could
bring materials and drive away with a completed basic fuselage or a set of
wings, one left and one right at the end of the show. Let me know if you would
like to discuss further how to take the next step.
>There are several of us from the list who participate and help.
>Dick N.
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Do I need to put an experiemental passenger warning placard in the rear
cockpit as well as the front?
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Subject: | Re: port wine and night lighting |
Sorry, none left! :-)
Pass the port wine, if there's any left. I'm grounding myself for
awhile.
Oscar Zuniga
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So Dick does that mean you have finished the Volmer Amphibian (sp)? How about an
Super Emmeraude? Beautiful low wing two place side by side.
Jim
On Jan 13, 2009, horzpool@goldengate.net wrote:
Jack
The Falco looks like a mighty nice plane.
That would be a great project. You know many of the crew down there.
Let me know if that is something you would like to do.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From:
Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:47
PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun n
Fun
Id like to start a
Falco
Jack
Phillips
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick N.
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:34
PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n
Fun
It's time to start thinking about
spring. Does anyone want to jump start a project? We are looking
for a project for the Wood Forum at Sun n Fun. You could bring materials
and drive away with a completed basic fuselage or a set of wings, one left and
one right at the end of the show. Let me know if you would like to
discuss further how to take the next step.
There are several of us from the
list who participate and help.
Dick
N.
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Subject: | Re: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon OT |
OT
Do Not Archive
Skydivers used to seek "Levelidity"
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Hansen <ghans@cable-lynx.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon
> Larry Williams and group,
>
> I'm not saying that the saying "Simplificate and add lightness."
> did not originate with General Billy MItchell, but I do have an
> excellent book titled The Speed Seekers by Thomas G. Foxworth,
> ISBN 0-385-06050-5, and it attributes a similar quotation to
> William B. Stout who fathered the Ford Tri-Motor transport.
>
> Beneath a photograph of Stout on page 83, it says his lifelong
> doctrine was "simplicate and add lightness."
>
> I hope you don't think of this as "nit picking" because I only
> wish to reveal what I have found in Foxworth's well-researched
> book about the development of racing airplanes and aero engines,
> primarily in the 1920's (when our favorite airplane was designed---
> although the Pietenpol isn't by any stretch of the imagination a
> racing airplane!).
>
> If anyone can find this book in the local library, I hereby
> endorse it as a really good read.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Graham Hansen
>
> (My Pietenpol CF-AUN is snowed-in here at Camrose, Alberta,
> Canada. Maybe it's time to install the skis.)
>
>
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Subject: | Re: port wine and night lighting |
Hi Oscar:
Took these pictures of N58TL at Brodhead in 2005. West Coast Piet
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/ has several more pictures.
Bill -
>
> I have a similar question. Is anybody flying a Piet with night lighting,
> and if so- how often do you actually fly it at night? I know I've seen
> pix of several that have recognition lights but I'm not sure I've ever
> seen one with a landing light. Just curious.
>
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC, day VFR only
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: warning placard
> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
> Do I need to put an experiemental passenger warning placard in the rear
> cockpit as well as the front?
>
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Too bad Jack. That Falco looks nice. I know what you mean about the
wife situation. I'm trying not to be tempted to start a 4th plane at
this point.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:16 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun
Just kidding, Dick. I'd love to build a Falco, but I need to finish
the RV-10 first. I think Karen would kill me if I started another
project.
Jack
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Jack
The Falco looks like a mighty nice plane. That would be a great
project. You know many of the crew down there. Let me know if that is
something you would like to do.
Dick N.
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Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:47 PM
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I'd like to start a Falco
Jack Phillips
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It's time to start thinking about spring. Does anyone want to jump
start a project? We are looking for a project for the Wood Forum at Sun
n Fun. You could bring materials and drive away with a completed basic
fuselage or a set of wings, one left and one right at the end of the
show. Let me know if you would like to discuss further how to take the
next step.
There are several of us from the list who participate and help.
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Jim
The Volmer is well along. There aren't any more small parts to build. I
might trailer it to show off but not sure at this point. See the attached
pic 2yrs into building. Landing gear is on the welding table. See one wing
in background, other is out of view ( one right and one left). Canopy assy
is done.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim" <jimboyer@hughes.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun
So Dick does that mean you have finished the Volmer Amphibian (sp)? How
about an Super Emmeraude? Beautiful low wing two place side by side.
Jim
On Jan 13, 2009, horzpool@goldengate.net wrote:
Jack
The Falco looks like a mighty nice plane.
That would be a great project. You know many of the crew down there.
Let me know if that is something you would like to do.
Dick N.
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Id like to start a
Falco
Jack
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It's time to start thinking about
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for a project for the Wood Forum at Sun n Fun. You could bring materials
and drive away with a completed basic fuselage or a set of wings, one left
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Jim
You are already familiar with the workshops so that's a plus. You need to
settle most of the questions yourself. You would have to commit the time to
the Wood shop to do this. I do know the only paperwork along the way is to
keep a builders log and keep receipts for materials. You will need tail
feathers, regardless of other decisions.
Let us know
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ash" <ashcan@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun
Dick -
It's quite a tempting offer. My plans for building a Piet are for the long
fuselage in tube and fabric, which doesn't do the wood workshop much good.
That being said, I've got a set of Charlie Rubeck's ribs (safely preserved
in the shipping boxes from him) and it would be really cool to put together
a wing or two at Sun 'n Fun. I haven't really decided on a one- or
three-piece wing, and could probably be swayed either way.
For the last few years, this has been the time of year when I start waffling
on going or not, although it's been a while since I missed one, and I just
got my 10 year pin from Monda last year, so there might be some guilt
involved. I only officially get two weeks a year of vacation from my current
employer, but it's been combined with sick time as PTO now, and I lost a
week and a half last fall doing battle with my gall bladder.
Three issues come to mind, probably all resolvable. The first is logistics.
I'm not quite sure how I'd get a pair of wings (or partial wings) back to
New Hampshire. The second is that my responsibilities are with metal
shaping. In years past, I've said I'll take the time this year to do this or
that, but when we get cranking in the workshop, the day is gone before you
know it, as you well know. In all fairness, I probably can't commit to
spending much quality time with the woodworkers, despite all good
intentions. The third (and I suspect minor) issue is about the paperwork.
I've done nothing officially with the FAA (or EAA) to start this project. I
was going to consult with a guy up here who's built a couple experimentals
(including a Piet) for some guidance and possibly getting hooked up with a
technical advisor and/or DAR. Although I don't live right in the Styx, you
can see it from here, and these things aren't as conveniently available as
in some of the more 'civilized'!
areas. I'm not sure the sequence of events to bringing an experimental to
life, but I didn't want to commit the faux-pas of starting construction if I
was supposed to do some paperwork first.
I suppose I could be swayed if you'd give me the radial off the front of
yours.....
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Dick N." <horzpool@goldengate.net>
>Sent: Jan 13, 2009 1:33 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun
>
>It's time to start thinking about spring. Does anyone want to jump start a
>project? We are looking for a project for the Wood Forum at Sun n Fun.
>You could bring materials and drive away with a completed basic fuselage or
>a set of wings, one left and one right at the end of the show. Let me know
>if you would like to discuss further how to take the next step.
>There are several of us from the list who participate and help.
>Dick N.
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