---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/13/09: 43 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:36 AM - Re: Wing construction (H RULE) 2. 04:50 AM - Re: Wing construction (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com) 3. 04:51 AM - Re: Wing construction (H RULE) 4. 05:05 AM - passenger warning placard (Douwe Blumberg) 5. 05:16 AM - Re: Wing construction (Michael Perez) 6. 05:37 AM - Re: Wing construction (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 7. 06:10 AM - Re: Wing construction (Michael Perez) 8. 06:23 AM - Re: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon (Lagowski Morrow) 9. 06:54 AM - Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternoon (Oscar Zuniga) 10. 08:20 AM - Re: passenger warning placard (Michael Groah) 11. 09:11 AM - Wing construction (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 12. 09:22 AM - Re: Wing construction (H RULE) 13. 09:31 AM - Re: Wing construction (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 14. 09:42 AM - Re: Wing construction (Roman Bukolt) 15. 09:58 AM - Wing construction (Oscar Zuniga) 16. 10:06 AM - in Texas: Wing construction (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 17. 10:33 AM - Re: passenger warning placard (Dick N.) 18. 10:33 AM - Re: Wing construction (Ed G.) 19. 10:34 AM - Sun n Fun (Dick N.) 20. 10:43 AM - Re: Wing construction (H RULE) 21. 10:47 AM - Re: Wing construction (H RULE) 22. 10:48 AM - Re: Sun n Fun (Phillips, Jack) 23. 11:01 AM - Re: Wing construction (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 24. 11:29 AM - Re: Wing construction (Phillips, Jack) 25. 11:29 AM - Re: Sun n Fun (H RULE) 26. 11:55 AM - Re: Re: Wing construction OT (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 27. 11:58 AM - Re: Wing construction (Robert Gow) 28. 12:51 PM - port wine and night lighting (Oscar Zuniga) 29. 12:58 PM - Re: port wine and night lighting (Robert Gow) 30. 01:10 PM - Re: Wing construction (Bill Church) 31. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: Wing construction OT (H RULE) 32. 01:47 PM - Re: Sun n Fun (Dick N.) 33. 03:18 PM - Re: Sun n Fun (Jack Phillips) 34. 04:33 PM - Re: Sun n Fun (Jim Ash) 35. 05:40 PM - warning placard (Douwe Blumberg) 36. 06:33 PM - Re: port wine and night lighting (Clif Dawson) 37. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: Sun n Fun (Jim) 38. 07:56 PM - Re: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon OT (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 39. 09:04 PM - Re: port wine and night lighting (Bill Princell) 40. 10:03 PM - Re: warning placard (Dick N.) 41. 10:03 PM - Re: Sun n Fun (Dick N.) 42. 10:14 PM - Re: Re: Sun n Fun (Dick N.) 43. 10:26 PM - Re: Sun n Fun (Dick N.) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:08 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction Wings are like nails;you only use the pointy end for that side.If you pick the nail up and the blunt end is pointing towards the wall then that nail i s obviously used on the opposite wall;-)=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________=0AFrom: Clif Dawson =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:51: 33 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction=0A=0A=0ASince this i s really difficult for you, why not just have the=0Awing plan page copied i n reverse.=0A-=0AIs there someone near you or, if you belong, an EAA=0Ame mber that can check your work.=0A-=0ASince we- all really like pictures , send them along as=0Ayou progress, particularely when you've come to an =0Airreversable juncture in the build, like just before-=0Aglueing ribs f or instance.=0A-=0AMost of the bits and pieces are all identical. All the =0Aribs are the same, all four spars are the same. the=0Aonly difference th ere is that one wing will have the=0Apointy( outboard ) end of the spars- on the left and =0Aon the other wing-those ends-will be on the right. =0A-=0A-=0AClif=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: amsafetyc@aol.c om =0ADick=0A=0AWhat do I need to do to make sure that doesn't happen. This === ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:22 AM PST US From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction Do you have room to lay everything out for each wing? That way you could lay out the order of the parts, and where they go before gluing or jigging anything. When you start assembling the wings, go from the layout to the jig one piece at a time. Sometimes, I have to visualize things rather than just thinking them out... Boyce ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:02 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction Actually what I said isn't entirely correct but I just couldn't help myself .It's the newfy in me!=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________ _________________=0AFrom: H RULE =0ATo: pietenpol-l ist@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:34:40 AM=0ASubject: R e: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction=0A=0A=0AWings are like nails;you only use the pointy end for that side.If you pick the nail up and the blunt end is pointing towards the wall then that nail is obviously used on the opposi te wall;-)=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________________ __=0AFrom: Clif Dawson =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics .com=0ASent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:51:33 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol- List: Wing construction=0A=0A=0ASince this is really difficult for you, why not just have the=0Awing plan page copied in reverse.=0A-=0AIs there som eone near you or, if you belong, an EAA=0Amember that can check your work. =0A-=0ASince we- all really like pictures, send them along as=0Ayou pro gress, particularely when you've come to an=0Airreversable juncture in the build, like just before-=0Aglueing ribs for instance.=0A-=0AMost of the bits and pieces are all identical. All the=0Aribs are the same, all four s pars are the same. the=0Aonly difference there is that one wing will have t he=0Apointy( outboard ) end of the spars-on the left and =0Aon the other wing-those ends-will be on the right.=0A-=0A-=0AClif=0A----- Origin al Message ----- =0AFrom: amsafetyc@aol.com =0ADick=0A=0AWhat do I need to do to make sure that doesn't happen. This has me really concerned. =0A=0A -======================== ================== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:00 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: passenger warning placard Who sells metal passenger warning placards? ACS only seems to seel rub ons. D ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:30 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction Since the plan shows a full left wing, if you build two wings as shown, you will end up with two left wings.- Build the first wing as shown. This wi ll teach you how to build the wing and along the way you will learn how to lay things out, drill holes, make the cuts, mark the rib locations, etc. No w that you have built one wing, the second is much easier. As mentioned, th is right wing needs to be like a mirror image. So, if your first wing's tip was on the left as shown, you need to lay out the right wing with the tip on the right. Keep the leading edge forward away from you and the trailing edge close to you. - As far as differences in the wings themselves, there isn't any. They are th e same; one for the left one for the right. - One note: on the center section end of the spars, you cut a small angle on the bottom of the spar where the attaching strap for the cabane strut attac hes. Use this angle as a reference! This angle must ALWAYS be on the bottom ! I ALMOST started to drill my holes for the flying struts with this angle on top of the spar. (Spar was upside down) With this angle on the bottom, y ou will have two spars with the tapered end for the wing tip on the right e nd of the spar and two with the wing tip taper on the left end. - If I was at home, I would send you pictures as I am building my first wing now as well. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:07 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction Mike, That's perfect, and the answer I was actually looking for. I started my left wing with the square cut end in my holding jig and faced the leading edge while laying out the ribs which gave me a left wing. If I place my wing tip ends into my holding jig and I populate the spar with the from the trailing edge it should yield a right wing. Due to tight spatial constraints its near impossible to center the fuse and lay out both wings so the visual picture represents the actual layout all of which makes it near impossible to see the difference. Which was the essence of my question. Just to make certain I got it all in the proper perspective I would appreciate any pics or illustrations you are willing to send. Thanks you and all that responded I appreciate the help. John In a message dated 1/13/2009 8:16:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, speedbrake@sbcglobal.net writes: Since the plan shows a full left wing, if you build two wings as shown, you will end up with two left wings. Build the first wing as shown. This will teach you how to build the wing and along the way you will learn how to lay things out, drill holes, make the cuts, mark the rib locations, etc. Now that you have built one wing, the second is much easier. As mentioned, this right wing needs to be like a mirror image. So, if your first wing's tip was on the left as shown, you need to lay out the right wing with the tip on the right. Keep the leading edge forward away from you and the trailing edge close to you. As far as differences in the wings themselves, there isn't any. They are the same; one for the left one for the right. One note: on the center section end of the spars, you cut a small angle on the bottom of the spar where the attaching strap for the cabane strut attaches. Use this angle as a reference! This angle must ALWAYS be on the bottom! I ALMOST started to drill my holes for the flying struts with this angle on top of the spar. (Spar was upside down) With this angle on the bottom, you will have two spars with the tapered end for the wing tip on the right end of the spar and two with the wing tip taper on the left end. If I was at home, I would send you pictures as I am building my first wing now as well. ======== (mip://05442b40/3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List") ======== (mip://05442b40/3D"http://forums.matronics.com") ======== (mip://05442b40/3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution") ======== **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! cemailfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:15 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction Glad I can help. I have some pictures here at work that I can send right aw ay. Would you prefer I send these directly to you as opposed to taking up s pace here on the list? - If you-use that small angle cut on bottom of the center section end of th e spars as a reference, this will help you keep things oriented. (well, it did for me.)- ALWAYS keep this on the bottom and towards the center secti on. (in your head...no need to drag out the center section...or build it if you have not.)- This will also keep everything correct when you drill th e slated hole locations for the center attaching hardware and the wing stru t hardware. These slanted bolt locations all slant IN TOWARDS THE CENTER SE CTION, from the top of the spar to the bottom. Not sure why, but I looked l ong and hard at my spars and the plans to get this right. It took a little time for me to visualize what was going on. You don't want to drill the hol es in the wrong angle or with the spar upside down! - Pictures on the way. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:48 AM PST US From: "Lagowski Morrow" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon My favorite quote is, "The obscure is recognized eventually, the obvious takes longer". The other one I like is, "Due to the shortage of experienced trumpet players doomsday will be postponed for 3 weeks" Jim Lagowski Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon What a coincidence! I ALSO have a quote on my shop wall: "Larry ain't lettin' up, so....BUILD FASTER!!!" :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Williams To: Pietlist Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon It's great to be home again after a holiday visit with two of our children. I was able to get in a nice early evening flight in the Piet on Thursday and have been glowing ever since. I never stop marvelling at the honest and dependable little airplane that has been such a fulfilling part of my life. While unpacking a box recently, I came across a few little quotes that I had taped up on my basement wall during the construction of my Air Camper. These were the philosophy that guided me during the years of building in the days before the help (?) of the internet. 1. Simplificate and add lightness. Gen. Billy Mitchell 2. It seems that perfection is attained not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to delete. Antoine de Saint-Exupery 3. Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. Thomas Edison And finally, the HUGE ONE: 4. Strive for design simplicity, you never have to fix anything you leave out. Bill Lear I also note that in the recent BPA newsletter that the man-of-action and Johnny-on-the-spot intrepid Piet flier, Michael Cuy is quoted as remembering the 1998 anniversary fly-in to OSH. It must have been lonely for him since the rest of the flight didn't show up for about 12 months. Mike was always one to blaze the trail for the rest of us. (giggle, giggle). Everybody plan on being in south-central Wisconsin the end of July this year. If you are still building......build faster!!! 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So get busy building (Markle)! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:32 AM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: passenger warning placard I got my metal passenger warning placard at Wicks. Michael Groah Tulare CA Who sells metal passenger warning placards? ACS only seems to seel rub ons. D ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Also keep in mind ...(and the plans don't tell you this) when flying along the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound, the right wing points toward water, but going eastbound it points toward land. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:28 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction red is port or left and green is starboard or right;just in case you were t hinking of putting lights on the wing tips=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0AFrom: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASR C]" =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue sday, January 13, 2009 12:10:40 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Wing construc tion=0A=0A=0A-=0AAlso keep in mind ...(and the plans don't tell you this) when flying along the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound, -the right wing points toward water, =0Abut going eastbound it points toward land. =0A -======================== ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:06 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction thanks for the advice, any other tidbits you care to share, is that the red nail and the green one? In a message dated 1/13/2009 12:22:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, harvey.rule@rogers.com writes: red is port or left and green is starboard or right;just in case you were thinking of putting lights on the wing tips do not archive ____________________________________ From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:10:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction Also keep in mind ...(and the plans don't tell you this) when flying along the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound, the right wing points toward water, but going eastbound it points toward land. Mike C. do not archive ======== (mip://05485258/3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List") ======== (mip://05485258/3D"http://forums.matronics.com") D================= (mip://05485258/3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution") ======== **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! cemailfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:47 AM PST US From: Roman Bukolt Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction FVI When I taught sailing on the Great Lakes, I reminded my students the Red (like the color of wine) is a short word as is Port Right is long word, as is starboard. On Jan 13, 2009, at 11:21 AM, H RULE wrote: > red is port or left and green is starboard or right;just in case you > were thinking of putting lights on the wing tips > > do not archive > > From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:10:40 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction > > > Also keep in mind ...(and the plans don't tell you this) when flying > along the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound, the right wing > points toward water, > but going eastbound it points toward land. > > Mike C. > > do not archive > > > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:47 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction Mikee wrote- >when flying along the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound=2C >the right wing points toward water=2C but going eastbound it points >toward land. I think when you're on this side of the Mississippi=2C the opposite is true .. I've noticed that when I turn to a northerly heading when I'm headed due east=2C my left wing dips. When I turn to a southerly heading while headed due west=2C it does the same thing. Maybe 41CC was built with the two wings the same instead of mirrored? do not archive Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: in Texas: Wing construction From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Oscar, I heard that everything is 'bigger' in Texas so maybe you have two wings built the same in stead of mirrored but are they bigger ? Heard a good memory jog for the port/starboard, red/green rules: "There was a sailor named Red of left the port..." Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:28 AM PST US From: "Dick N." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: passenger warning placard I used the one from Wicks. pn#PC100-015S It is stainless and screws on. I'm looking at their 2006 catalog and it's on pg 339. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douwe Blumberg" Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:06 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: passenger warning placard > > > Who sells metal passenger warning placards? > > ACS only seems to seel rub ons. > > D > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:39 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction I've always gone by " Port wine is red " From: conceptmodels@tds.netTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Pie tenpol-List: Wing constructionDate: Tue=2C 13 Jan 2009 11:41:53 -0600 FVIWhen I taught sailing on the Great Lakes=2C I reminded my students the R ed (like the color of wine) is a short word as is Port Right is long word=2C as is starboard. On Jan 13=2C 2009=2C at 11:21 AM=2C H RULE wrote: red is port or left and green is starboard or right=3Bjust in case you were thinking of putting lights on the wing tips do not archive From: "Cuy=2C Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" To: piet enpol-list@matronics.comSent: Tuesday=2C January 13=2C 2009 12:10:40 PMSubj ect: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction Also keep in mind ...(and the plans don't tell you this) when flying along the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound=2C the right wing points toward water=2C but going eastbound it points toward land. 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We are looking for a project for the Wood Forum at Sun n Fun. You could bring materials and drive away with a completed basic fuselage or a set of wings, one left and one right at the end of the show. Let me know if you would like to discuss further how to take the next step. There are several of us from the list who participate and help. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:08 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction all the short words go together;red, left, port.All the long words go toget her;starboard,right,green.It doesn't get any easier than that.=0A=0A=0Ado n ot archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Roman Buk olt =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tues day, January 13, 2009 12:41:53 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing const ruction=0A=0A=0A=0AFVIWhen I taught sailing on the Great Lakes, I reminded my students the Red (like the color of wine) is a short word as is Port =0A Right is -long word, as is starboard.=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Jan 13, 2009, at 11:2 1 AM, H RULE wrote:=0A=0Ared is port or left and green is starboard or righ t;just in case you were thinking of putting lights on the wing tips=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:-"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" =0ATo:-pietenpol-li st@matronics.com=0ASent:-Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:10:40 PM=0ASubject: -Pietenpol-List: Wing construction=0A=0A=0A-=0AAlso keep in mind ...(an d the plans don't tell you this) when flying along the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound, -the right wing points toward water,=0Abut going eastb ound it points toward land.=0A-=0AMike C.=0A-=0Ado not archive=0A-=0A -=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0Astyle ="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com =0A3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=0Ahref="3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:27 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction use the red nail on the left side and the green one on the right;-0=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "AMsafetyC@aol.com" =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:30:35 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction=0A=0A thanks for the advice, any other tidbits you care to share, is that the red nail and the green one?=0A=0AIn a message dated 1/13/2009 12:22:58 P.M. Ea stern Standard Time, harvey.rule@rogers.com writes:=0Ared is port or left a nd green is starboard or right;just in case you were thinking of putting li ghts on the wing tips=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________ _____________=0AFrom: "Cuy, Michael D. 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See yours in just 2 easy steps! =================== ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:25 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun From: "Phillips, Jack" I'd like to start a Falco Jack Phillips _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick N. Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun It's time to start thinking about spring. Does anyone want to jump start a project? We are looking for a project for the Wood Forum at Sun n Fun. You could bring materials and drive away with a completed basic fuselage or a set of wings, one left and one right at the end of the show. Let me know if you would like to discuss further how to take the next step. There are several of us from the list who participate and help. Dick N. _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:40 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction A Sailor named RED, LEFT the PORT. ----- Original Message ----- From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction > all the short words go together;red, left, port.All the long words > go together;starboard,right,green.It doesn't get any easier than that. > > > do not archive > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Roman Bukolt < > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:41:53 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction > > > > FVIWhen I taught sailing on the Great Lakes, I reminded my students the Red (like the color of wine) is a short word as is Port > Right is long word, as is starboard. > > > > On Jan 13, 2009, at 11:21 AM, H RULE wrote: > > red is port or left and green is starboard or right;just in case you were thinking of putting lights on the wing tips > > do not archive > > > > > ________________________________ > From:"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" < > To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent:Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:10:40 PM > Subject:Pietenpol-List: Wing construction > > > > Also keep in mind ...(and the plans don't tell you this) when flying along the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound, the right wing points toward water, > but going eastbound it points toward land. > > Mike C. > > do not archive > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > 3D============================================ > style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com > 3D============================================ > href="3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > 3D============================================ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:37 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction From: "Phillips, Jack" OK, must be a slow day to get bogged down with all this useless trivia. Where did words like "starboard" and "Port" come from? Why not just use left and right? Turns out that until about 1240 AD, when ships began using a rudder mounted on the vessel's centerline, it was customary to use a steering oar hanging off the side near the rear of the ship for steering. Originally it was just an oar, but gradually it became bigger, with more surface area, and it became known as the steering board. Custom had it that the steering board was always on the right side of the ship. Naturally, "steering board" gradually got corrupted to "starboard", and since the starboard was always on the right side, you would dock the ship on the side away from the board to keep from damaging it. Thus the other side was always the side that faced the port. As Paul Harvey used to say "now you know the rest of the story" Jack Phillips NX899JP Now back away from the computer and start making sawdust. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:59 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction A Sailor named RED, LEFT the PORT. ----- Original Message ----- From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction > all the short words go together;red, left, port.All the long words > go together;starboard,right,green.It doesn't get any easier than that. > > > do not archive > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Roman Bukolt < > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:41:53 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction > > > > FVIWhen I taught sailing on the Great Lakes, I reminded my students the Red (like the color of wine) is a short word as is Port > Right is long word, as is starboard. > > > > On Jan 13, 2009, at 11:21 AM, H RULE wrote: > > red is port or left and green is starboard or right;just in case you were thinking of putting lights on the wing tips > > do not archive > > > > > ________________________________ > From:"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" < > To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent:Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:10:40 PM > Subject:Pietenpol-List: Wing construction > > > > Also keep in mind ...(and the plans don't tell you this) when flying along the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound, the right wing points toward water, > but going eastbound it points toward land. > > Mike C. > > do not archive > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > 3D============================================ > style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com > 3D============================================ > href="3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > 3D============================================ _________________________________________________ or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:37 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun That's a real sleek aircraft;I saw one featured in Kit Planes a few months back=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0AFrom: "Phillips, Jack" =0ATo: pietenpo l-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:47:47 PM=0ASubject : RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun=0A=0A=0AI=A2d like to start a Falco=0A- =0AJack Phillips=0A-=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom:owne r-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick N.=0ASent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:34 P M=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun =0A-=0AIt's time to start thinking about spring.- Does anyone want to j ump start a project?- We are looking for a project for the Wood Forum at Sun n Fun.- You could bring materials and drive away with a completed bas ic fuselage or a set of wings, one left and one right at the end of the sho w.- Let me know if you would like to discuss further how to take the next step.=0AThere are several of us from the list who participate and help.=0A Dick N.=0A -=0A -=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A -=0A_________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of th e email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Ita ====== ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:59 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction OT Do Not Archive Off topic POSH stands for Port Outbound, Starboard Homebound. Sailing from Great Britian to India the better cabins were the ones that faced land. So POSH. The cheaper cabins faced the ocean the whole time. Steve "master of trivia" D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillips, Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction > > OK, must be a slow day to get bogged down with all this useless trivia. Where did words like "starboard" and "Port" come from? Why not just use left and > right? > > Turns out that until about 1240 AD, when ships began using a > rudder mounted on the vessel's centerline, it was customary to use > a steering oar hanging off the side near the rear of the ship for > steering. Originally it was just an oar, but gradually it became > bigger, with more surface area, and it became known as the > steering board. Custom had it that the steering board was always > on the right side of the ship. > > Naturally, "steering board" gradually got corrupted to > "starboard", and since the starboard was always on the right side, > you would dock the ship on the side away from the board to keep > from damaging it. Thus the other side was always the side that > faced the port. > > As Paul Harvey used to say "now you know the rest of the story" > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Now back away from the computer and start making sawdust. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner- > pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D > MAJ NG NG NGB > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:59 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction > > NGB" < > > A Sailor named RED, LEFT the PORT. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: H RULE < > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:51 > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > all the short words go together;red, left, port.All the long words > > go together;starboard,right,green.It doesn't get any easier than that. > > > > > > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Roman Bukolt <> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:41:53 PM > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction > > > > > > > > FVIWhen I taught sailing on the Great Lakes, I reminded my students the Red (like the color of wine) is a short word as is Port > > Right is long word, as is starboard. > > > > > > > > On Jan 13, 2009, at 11:21 AM, H RULE wrote: > > > > red is port or left and green is starboard or right;just in case you were thinking of putting lights on the wing tips > > > > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From:"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <> To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Sent:Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:10:40 PM > > Subject:Pietenpol-List: Wing construction > > > > > > > > Also keep in mind ...(and the plans don't tell you this) when flying along the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound, the right wing points toward water, > > but going eastbound it points toward land. > > > > Mike C. > > > > do not archive > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > 3D============================================ > > style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com > > 3D============================================ > > href="3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > 3D============================================ > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________ > > or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender > > Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:37 AM PST US From: "Robert Gow" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction There is no red port wine left. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB Sent: January 13, 2009 1:59 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction A Sailor named RED, LEFT the PORT. ----- Original Message ----- From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction > all the short words go together;red, left, port.All the long words > go together;starboard,right,green.It doesn't get any easier than that. > > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ > From: Roman Bukolt < > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:41:53 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction > > > FVIWhen I taught sailing on the Great Lakes, I reminded my students the Red (like the color of wine) is a short word as is Port > Right is long word, as is starboard. > > > On Jan 13, 2009, at 11:21 AM, H RULE wrote: > > red is port or left and green is starboard or right;just in case you were thinking of putting lights on the wing tips > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ > From:"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" < > To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent:Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:10:40 PM > Subject:Pietenpol-List: Wing construction > > > > Also keep in mind ...(and the plans don't tell you this) when flying along the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio Westbound, the right wing points toward water, > but going eastbound it points toward land. > > Mike C. > > do not archive > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > 3D=========================3 D=================== > style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com > 3D=========================3 D=================== > href="3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > 3D=========================3 D=================== ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:10 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: port wine and night lighting You said there is no red port wine left=2C right? How about green then? Would Red be right departing=2C too=2C or would that only be if he was staying in a posh stateroom where he can see Bombay from the verandah? I have a similar question. Is anybody flying a Piet with night lighting=2C and if so- how often do you actually fly it at night? I know I've seen pix of several that have recognition lights but I'm not sure I've ever seen one with a landing light. Just curious. Pass the port wine=2C if there's any left. I'm grounding myself for awhile .. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC=2C day VFR only San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:30 PM PST US From: "Robert Gow" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: port wine and night lighting I used to fly my Chief on skis at night without lights from an unlit strip. You needed a moonlight winter night in January or February with a good snow cover. The world lit up like nothing you have ever seen before! I had radium dials on the airspeed and altimeter. What a rush! do not archive Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: January 13, 2009 3:50 PM To: Pietenpol List Subject: Pietenpol-List: port wine and night lighting You said there is no red port wine left, right? How about green then? Would Red be right departing, too, or would that only be if he was staying in a posh stateroom where he can see Bombay from the verandah? I have a similar question. Is anybody flying a Piet with night lighting, and if so- how often do you actually fly it at night? I know I've seen pix of several that have recognition lights but I'm not sure I've ever seen one with a landing light. Just curious. Pass the port wine, if there's any left. I'm grounding myself for awhile. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC, day VFR only San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:08 PM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction Actually, just referring to left and right is easier - nevermind all this "boat" stuff. Now ... is that left and right when sitting in the plane, or when facing it??? (By the way, this is a joke. Just have a chuckle and delete. Or, don't bother with the chuckle part. Just don't feel compelled to reply with "serious" answers - because the question is NOT serious.) BC do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H RULE Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction all the short words go together;red, left, port.All the long words go together;starboard,right,green.It doesn't get any easier than that. do not archive ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:07 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction OT WOW!!!!=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________________ __=0AFrom: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:52: 46 PM=0ASubject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction OT=0A=0A--> Piet enpol-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" =0A=0ADo Not Archive=0A=0AOff topic=0A=0APOSH stands for =0APort Outbound, Starboard Homebound. =0A=0ASailing from Great Britian to India the better cabins were the ones that faced land. So POSH. The cheaper cabins faced the ocean the whole time. =0A=0ASteve "master of trivia" D=0A =0A----- Original Message -----=0AFrom: "Phillips, Jack" =0ADate: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 13:46=0ASubject: RE: Pie tenpol-List: Wing construction=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A=0A=0A> be a slow day to get bogged down with all this useless trivia.- Where di d words like "starboard" and "Port" come from?- Why not just use left and =0A> right?- =0A> =0A> Turns out that until about 1240 AD, when ships be gan using a =0A> rudder mounted on the vessel's centerline, it was customar y to use =0A> a steering oar hanging off the side near the rear of the ship for =0A> steering.- Originally it was just an oar, but gradually it beca me =0A> bigger, with more surface area, and it became known as the =0A> ste ering board.- Custom had it that the steering board was always =0A> on th e right side of the ship.- =0A> =0A> Naturally, "steering board" graduall y got corrupted to =0A> "starboard", and since the starboard was always on the right side, =0A> you would dock the ship on the side away from the boar d to keep =0A> from damaging it.- Thus the other side was always the side that =0A> faced the port.=0A> =0A> As Paul Harvey used to say "now you kno w the rest of the story"=0A> =0A> Jack Phillips=0A> NX899JP=0A> Now back aw ay from the computer and start making sawdust.=0A> =0A> -----Original Messa ge-----=0A> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner- =0A> pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D =0A > MAJ NG NG NGB=0A> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:59 PM=0A> To: pietenp ol-list@matronics.com=0A> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction=0A =0A> NGB" <=0A> =0A> A Sailor named RED, LEFT the PORT. =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> ----- Original Message -----=0A> From: H RULE <=0A> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:51=0A> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing construction=0A> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A> =0A> =0A> > all the short words go togethe r;red, left, port.All the long words =0A> > go together;starboard,right,gre en.It doesn't get any easier than that.=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > do not archive =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > ________________________________=0A> > F rom: Roman Bukolt <> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:41:53 PM=0A> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing constr uction=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > FVIWhen I taught sailing on the Great Lak es, I reminded my students the Red (like the color of wine) is a short word as is Port =0A> > Right is -long word, as is starboard.=0A> > =0A> > =0A > > =0A> > On Jan 13, 2009, at 11:21 AM, H RULE wrote:=0A> > =0A> > red is port or left and green is starboard or right;just in case you were thinking of putting lights on the wing tips=0A> > =0A> > do not archive=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > ________________________________=0A> > From:-"Cuy, Michael D. 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Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:34 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun It's time to start thinking about spring. Does anyone want to jump start a project? We are looking for a project for the Wood Forum at Sun n Fun. You could bring materials and drive away with a completed basic fuselage or a set of wings, one left and one right at the end of the show. Let me know if you would like to discuss further how to take the next step. There are several of us from the list who participate and help. Dick N. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:04 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun Just kidding, Dick. I'd love to build a Falco, but I need to finish the RV-10 first. I think Karen would kill me if I started another project. Jack _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick N. Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun Jack The Falco looks like a mighty nice plane. That would be a great project. You know many of the crew down there. Let me know if that is something you would like to do. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun I'd like to start a Falco Jack Phillips _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick N. Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun It's time to start thinking about spring. Does anyone want to jump start a project? We are looking for a project for the Wood Forum at Sun n Fun. You could bring materials and drive away with a completed basic fuselage or a set of wings, one left and one right at the end of the show. Let me know if you would like to discuss further how to take the next step. There are several of us from the list who participate and help. Dick N. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:01 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun Dick - It's quite a tempting offer. My plans for building a Piet are for the long fuselage in tube and fabric, which doesn't do the wood workshop much good. That being said, I've got a set of Charlie Rubeck's ribs (safely preserved in the shipping boxes from him) and it would be really cool to put together a wing or two at Sun 'n Fun. I haven't really decided on a one- or three-piece wing, and could probably be swayed either way. For the last few years, this has been the time of year when I start waffling on going or not, although it's been a while since I missed one, and I just got my 10 year pin from Monda last year, so there might be some guilt involved. I only officially get two weeks a year of vacation from my current employer, but it's been combined with sick time as PTO now, and I lost a week and a half last fall doing battle with my gall bladder. Three issues come to mind, probably all resolvable. The first is logistics. I'm not quite sure how I'd get a pair of wings (or partial wings) back to New Hampshire. The second is that my responsibilities are with metal shaping. In years past, I've said I'll take the time this year to do this or that, but when we get cranking in the workshop, the day is gone before you know it, as you well know. In all fairness, I probably can't commit to spending much quality time with the woodworkers, despite all good intentions. The third (and I suspect minor) issue is about the paperwork. I've done nothing officially with the FAA (or EAA) to start this project. I was going to consult with a guy up here who's built a couple experimentals (including a Piet) for some guidance and possibly getting hooked up with a technical advisor and/or DAR. Although I don't live right in the Styx, you can see it from here, and these things aren't as conveniently available as in some of the more 'civilized' areas. I'm not sure the sequence of events to bringing an experimental to life, but I didn't want to commit the faux-pas of starting construction if I was supposed to do some paperwork first. I suppose I could be swayed if you'd give me the radial off the front of yours..... Jim -----Original Message----- >From: "Dick N." >Sent: Jan 13, 2009 1:33 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun > >It's time to start thinking about spring. Does anyone want to jump start a project? We are looking for a project for the Wood Forum at Sun n Fun. You could bring materials and drive away with a completed basic fuselage or a set of wings, one left and one right at the end of the show. Let me know if you would like to discuss further how to take the next step. >There are several of us from the list who participate and help. >Dick N. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:13 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: warning placard Do I need to put an experiemental passenger warning placard in the rear cockpit as well as the front? ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:07 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: port wine and night lighting Sorry, none left! :-) Pass the port wine, if there's any left. I'm grounding myself for awhile. Oscar Zuniga ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:50 PM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun So Dick does that mean you have finished the Volmer Amphibian (sp)? How about an Super Emmeraude? Beautiful low wing two place side by side. Jim On Jan 13, 2009, horzpool@goldengate.net wrote: Jack The Falco looks like a mighty nice plane. That would be a great project. You know many of the crew down there. Let me know if that is something you would like to do. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun Id like to start a Falco Jack Phillips From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick N. Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun It's time to start thinking about spring. Does anyone want to jump start a project? We are looking for a project for the Wood Forum at Sun n Fun. You could bring materials and drive away with a completed basic fuselage or a set of wings, one left and one right at the end of the show. Let me know if you would like to discuss further how to take the next step. There are several of us from the list who participate and help. Dick N. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution _________________________________________________ or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:52 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon OT OT Do Not Archive Skydivers used to seek "Levelidity" Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Hansen Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternooon > Larry Williams and group, > > I'm not saying that the saying "Simplificate and add lightness." > did not originate with General Billy MItchell, but I do have an > excellent book titled The Speed Seekers by Thomas G. Foxworth, > ISBN 0-385-06050-5, and it attributes a similar quotation to > William B. Stout who fathered the Ford Tri-Motor transport. > > Beneath a photograph of Stout on page 83, it says his lifelong > doctrine was "simplicate and add lightness." > > I hope you don't think of this as "nit picking" because I only > wish to reveal what I have found in Foxworth's well-researched > book about the development of racing airplanes and aero engines, > primarily in the 1920's (when our favorite airplane was designed--- > although the Pietenpol isn't by any stretch of the imagination a > racing airplane!). > > If anyone can find this book in the local library, I hereby > endorse it as a really good read. > > Cheers, > > Graham Hansen > > (My Pietenpol CF-AUN is snowed-in here at Camrose, Alberta, > Canada. Maybe it's time to install the skis.) > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: port wine and night lighting From: Bill Princell Hi Oscar: Took these pictures of N58TL at Brodhead in 2005. West Coast Piet http://www.westcoastpiet.com/ has several more pictures. Bill - > > I have a similar question. Is anybody flying a Piet with night lighting, > and if so- how often do you actually fly it at night? I know I've seen > pix of several that have recognition lights but I'm not sure I've ever > seen one with a landing light. Just curious. > > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC, day VFR only > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:53 PM PST US From: "Dick N." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: warning placard NO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douwe Blumberg" Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: warning placard > > > Do I need to put an experiemental passenger warning placard in the rear > cockpit as well as the front? > > > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:54 PM PST US From: "Dick N." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun Too bad Jack. That Falco looks nice. I know what you mean about the wife situation. I'm trying not to be tempted to start a 4th plane at this point. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:16 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun Just kidding, Dick. I'd love to build a Falco, but I need to finish the RV-10 first. I think Karen would kill me if I started another project. Jack ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick N. Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:47 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun Jack The Falco looks like a mighty nice plane. That would be a great project. You know many of the crew down there. Let me know if that is something you would like to do. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun I'd like to start a Falco Jack Phillips ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick N. Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:34 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun It's time to start thinking about spring. Does anyone want to jump start a project? We are looking for a project for the Wood Forum at Sun n Fun. You could bring materials and drive away with a completed basic fuselage or a set of wings, one left and one right at the end of the show. Let me know if you would like to discuss further how to take the next step. There are several of us from the list who participate and help. Dick N. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietaryor otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the senderimmediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:22 PM PST US From: "Dick N." Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun Jim The Volmer is well along. There aren't any more small parts to build. I might trailer it to show off but not sure at this point. See the attached pic 2yrs into building. Landing gear is on the welding table. See one wing in background, other is out of view ( one right and one left). Canopy assy is done. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:37 PM Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun So Dick does that mean you have finished the Volmer Amphibian (sp)? How about an Super Emmeraude? Beautiful low wing two place side by side. Jim On Jan 13, 2009, horzpool@goldengate.net wrote: Jack The Falco looks like a mighty nice plane. That would be a great project. You know many of the crew down there. Let me know if that is something you would like to do. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun Id like to start a Falco Jack Phillips From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick N. Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun It's time to start thinking about spring. Does anyone want to jump start a project? We are looking for a project for the Wood Forum at Sun n Fun. You could bring materials and drive away with a completed basic fuselage or a set of wings, one left and one right at the end of the show. Let me know if you would like to discuss further how to take the next step. There are several of us from the list who participate and help. Dick N. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution _________________________________________________ or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:54 PM PST US From: "Dick N." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun Jim You are already familiar with the workshops so that's a plus. You need to settle most of the questions yourself. You would have to commit the time to the Wood shop to do this. I do know the only paperwork along the way is to keep a builders log and keep receipts for materials. You will need tail feathers, regardless of other decisions. Let us know Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ash" Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun Dick - It's quite a tempting offer. My plans for building a Piet are for the long fuselage in tube and fabric, which doesn't do the wood workshop much good. That being said, I've got a set of Charlie Rubeck's ribs (safely preserved in the shipping boxes from him) and it would be really cool to put together a wing or two at Sun 'n Fun. I haven't really decided on a one- or three-piece wing, and could probably be swayed either way. For the last few years, this has been the time of year when I start waffling on going or not, although it's been a while since I missed one, and I just got my 10 year pin from Monda last year, so there might be some guilt involved. I only officially get two weeks a year of vacation from my current employer, but it's been combined with sick time as PTO now, and I lost a week and a half last fall doing battle with my gall bladder. Three issues come to mind, probably all resolvable. The first is logistics. I'm not quite sure how I'd get a pair of wings (or partial wings) back to New Hampshire. The second is that my responsibilities are with metal shaping. In years past, I've said I'll take the time this year to do this or that, but when we get cranking in the workshop, the day is gone before you know it, as you well know. In all fairness, I probably can't commit to spending much quality time with the woodworkers, despite all good intentions. The third (and I suspect minor) issue is about the paperwork. I've done nothing officially with the FAA (or EAA) to start this project. I was going to consult with a guy up here who's built a couple experimentals (including a Piet) for some guidance and possibly getting hooked up with a technical advisor and/or DAR. Although I don't live right in the Styx, you can see it from here, and these things aren't as conveniently available as in some of the more 'civilized'! areas. I'm not sure the sequence of events to bringing an experimental to life, but I didn't want to commit the faux-pas of starting construction if I was supposed to do some paperwork first. I suppose I could be swayed if you'd give me the radial off the front of yours..... Jim -----Original Message----- >From: "Dick N." >Sent: Jan 13, 2009 1:33 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun > >It's time to start thinking about spring. Does anyone want to jump start a >project? We are looking for a project for the Wood Forum at Sun n Fun. >You could bring materials and drive away with a completed basic fuselage or >a set of wings, one left and one right at the end of the show. 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