---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/24/09: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:51 AM - Re: OT sailplane flight (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 06:38 AM - Re: OT sailplane flight (Jim Ash) 3. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Aileron travel limit (Michael Perez) 4. 07:09 AM - Re: OT sailplane flight (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 5. 07:09 AM - Re: OT sailplane flight (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 6. 01:31 PM - Re: Aileron travel limit (Pieti Lowell) 7. 01:53 PM - Re: Re: Aileron travel limit (Dave Abramson) 8. 02:03 PM - Los Alamos Pietenpol Aerial for Begich Middle School Alaska (Rob Stapleton, Jr.) 9. 04:36 PM - Re: Re: Aileron travel limit (Michael Perez) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT sailplane flight From: helspersew@aol.com Steve, I was fortunate to solo in a glider when I was 14. Glider flying will make you a better pilot by magnitudes. There is only you, the machine, air, and gravity. Congratulations. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL???????????????????? do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 7:26 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT sailplane flight Do Not Archive OT I just did my first Sailplane flight at 5C1. Not much lift but what a great experience. You really have to stomp on the rudder to get the thing to turn. Very relaxing all in all. I may try it again in the future. Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:04 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT sailplane flight Congratulations. Was this a joyride or a lesson? What kind of aircraft was it? If I could get in the air in a glider without somebody else's help and get from A to B in a direct flight, I'd probably never bother with planes with engines. My wife (who's generally afraid of airplanes) prefers gliders over powered planes, mostly because of the lack of noise and vibration. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" >Sent: Jan 23, 2009 8:26 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT sailplane flight > > >Do Not Archive >OT >I just did my first Sailplane flight at 5C1. Not much lift but what a great experience. >You really have to stomp on the rudder to get the thing to turn. Very relaxing all in all. >I may try it again in the future. > >Blue Skies, >Steve D > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:09 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron travel limit - - That is some good and use full info. Bill, thanks. Rather then have my aile rons as shown on the prints, (you know me...) I stopped mine at the last ri b. Then I built a different wing tip so that now the complete aileron is in an "aileron bay". So, from that last rib out to where the tip should be, i s about 5" or so that I lose on aileron length. - Sounds like, if what you say is true, that this 5" is of no concern and to try to increase travel may not be as well. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:14 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT sailplane flight It was a lesson, though it was kind of a joyflight. I currently don't have any plans to pursue a glider rating, basically out of time and budget concerns, though I would like to. I bought a 3 flight package for a grandchild trying to motivate her to get better grades. She took the first flight and loved it, but not enough to work to improve her grades. So I still had two flights left. I took one and my adult stepson took the other. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT sailplane flight > > Congratulations. Was this a joyride or a lesson? What kind of aircraft was it? > > If I could get in the air in a glider without somebody else's help and get from A to B in a direct flight, I'd probably never bother > with planes with engines. My wife (who's generally afraid of > airplanes) prefers gliders over powered planes, mostly because of > the lack of noise and vibration. > > Jim Ash > > -----Original Message----- > >From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" < > >Sent: Jan 23, 2009 8:26 PM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT sailplane flight > > > > > >Do Not Archive > >OT > >I just did my first Sailplane flight at 5C1. Not much lift but what a great experience. > >You really have to stomp on the rudder to get the thing to turn. Very relaxing all in all. > >I may try it again in the future. > > > >Blue Skies, > >Steve D > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:26 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT sailplane flight Oh yeah, it was a Grob Acro II, If I remember correctly. Blue Skies Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT sailplane flight > > Congratulations. Was this a joyride or a lesson? What kind of aircraft was it? > > If I could get in the air in a glider without somebody else's help and get from A to B in a direct flight, I'd probably never bother > with planes with engines. My wife (who's generally afraid of > airplanes) prefers gliders over powered planes, mostly because of > the lack of noise and vibration. > > Jim Ash > > -----Original Message----- > >From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" < > >Sent: Jan 23, 2009 8:26 PM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT sailplane flight > > > > > >Do Not Archive > >OT > >I just did my first Sailplane flight at 5C1. Not much lift but what a great experience. > >You really have to stomp on the rudder to get the thing to turn. Very relaxing all in all. > >I may try it again in the future. > > > >Blue Skies, > >Steve D > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron travel limit From: "Pieti Lowell" As I mentioned before, when I shortened my wings by one bay and the ailerons also, I ran out of control when it came to crosswind landings. The wings that I have now use a full length aileron and also one bay per wing shorter. Far better control. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226575#226575 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:22 PM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron travel limit Hi Pieti! Can you send me a photo of your wing with the full length aileron? Thanks!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pieti Lowell Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron travel limit As I mentioned before, when I shortened my wings by one bay and the ailerons also, I ran out of control when it came to crosswind landings. The wings that I have now use a full length aileron and also one bay per wing shorter. Far better control. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226575#226575 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:30 PM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." Subject: Pietenpol-List: Los Alamos Pietenpol Aerial for Begich Middle School Alaska To those of you following the Pietenpol Aerial project that Oscar Zuniga donated to the Anchorage based Begich Middle School for a build a plane project, here is an update. Jeff Scott crated the wings, tail feathers and fuselage last weekend and Carlile Transportation Systems picked it up yesterday. According to Scott it will arrive in Anchorage in about 10-days. EAA Chapter 42 reimbursed Scott for the expenses, just a bit under $300 for materials. I spoke with Harry McDonald, a C-185 pilot/owner the CEO of Carlile and he told me he had heard about the pickup and that it would go to Arizona first then to Texas before being trucked to Alaska. McDonald said he was anxious to get it up here so we could get it done-so he can fly it. The project has also received an offer from the University of Alaska Fairbanks, Aviation and Maintenance division who has offered a free O-290 engine that they will rebuild as a class project this year. So the dream of the builder lives on, this will be an educational project. Big kudos to Oscar Z! And thanks to Jeff Scott from all here in the snowy north. Rob ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:10 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron travel limit By "one bay" I assume you are talking about 1 full rib space? (about 12"-13 ")- I am talking about 5". My wings are full length wings, I am just not adding the aileron out to the wing tip. --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Dave Abramson wrote: From: Dave Abramson Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron travel limit Hi Pieti! Can you send me a photo of your wing with the full length aileron? Thanks!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pieti Lowell Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron travel limit As I mentioned before, when I shortened my wings by one bay and the aileron s also, I ran out of control when it came to crosswind landings. The wings that I have now use a full length aileron and also one bay per wing shorter .. Far better control. 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