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1. 04:08 AM - Laminating Question (carson)
2. 04:14 AM - Aileron turnbuckles (GR Hewitt)
3. 04:33 AM - Re: Aileron turnbuckles (gcardinal)
4. 04:34 AM - Re: Laminating Question (gcardinal)
5. 05:08 AM - Re: Heel brake pedals (Lagowski Morrow)
6. 06:31 AM - Re: Re Piet Dihedral (Bill Church)
7. 06:40 AM - Re: Heel brake pedals (Ed G.)
8. 06:50 AM - Re: Re: NX-, NC- radio calls (H RULE)
9. 07:35 AM - Re: NX-, NC- radio calls (wayne@taildraggersinc.com)
10. 08:25 AM - Re: Re Piet Dihedral (Kevin McDonald)
11. 08:46 AM - Re: Re Piet Dihedral (H RULE)
12. 08:53 AM - Re: NX-, NC- radio calls (TOM STINEMETZE)
13. 09:38 AM - Re: Brodhead International (Steve Eldredge)
14. 10:13 AM - Aileron turnbuckles (Oscar Zuniga)
15. 10:15 AM - Re: Aileron turnbuckles (Ben Charvet)
16. 12:08 PM - Re: Laminating Question (Lagowski Morrow)
17. 12:24 PM - Re: Laminating Question (H RULE)
18. 12:49 PM - Re: Heel brake pedals (Don Emch)
19. 07:04 PM - Re: Re: Heel brake pedals (Arden Adamson)
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Subject: | Laminating Question |
Is T88 ok for making laminations I plan on Laminating some ash and mahogany for
my cabanes or should I use west systems or something else?
Thanks
Carson
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Subject: | Aileron turnbuckles |
Where is the best position for the turnbuckles in the ailerons.
Would like to put them in wing center section to enable easy wing
removal, but not much space. They have to be accessed for maintenance,
If I put them in the cockpit, the fittings would not go thru the pulleys
in the center section during wing removal in the easrly stages.
Can't find any info in archives
Regards Graham Hewitt
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Subject: | Re: Aileron turnbuckles |
On NX18235 the aileron turnbuckles are located in the cockpit. The wings
come off infrequently so disassembling the pulleys is not an issue.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: GR Hewitt
To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:13 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron turnbuckles
Where is the best position for the turnbuckles in the ailerons.
Would like to put them in wing center section to enable easy wing
removal, but not much space. They have to be accessed for maintenance,
If I put them in the cockpit, the fittings would not go thru the
pulleys in the center section during wing removal in the easrly stages.
Can't find any info in archives
Regards Graham Hewitt
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Subject: | Re: Laminating Question |
T88 would work just fine.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "carson" <carsonvella@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Laminating Question
>
> Is T88 ok for making laminations I plan on Laminating some ash and
> mahogany for my cabanes or should I use west systems or something else?
> Thanks
> Carson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229510#229510
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Subject: | Re: Heel brake pedals |
I also used the Bill Rewey toe brake approach. --Jim Lagowski
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga
To: Pietenpol List
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Heel brake pedals
Air Camper NX41CC has toe brakes exactly like the Bill Rewey
detail and like several others have shown. I really like them.
I used to think that I'd like heel brakes better since that's what
I cut my teeth on in my J-3 Cub training days, but the rudder bar
on the Piet makes it not so easy to deal with heel brakes. The
"Bill Rewey" toe brake setup is simple, effective, and it puts the
brake masters where they are quite easy to inspect and service.
My other project, the M-19 Flying Squirrel, uses Azusa mechanical
drum brakes and even though I have not flown them yet, I've heard
(and seen for myself) that the drums are quite thin and easy to get
out of round with heavy brake application. I had mine trued up on
a lathe but even so, they are quite lightweight and prone to
distortion.
I'd go with Tracy O'Brien modified Azusas (www.TracyObrien.com) on
something the size of a Piet. They are used on KRs and work fine.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re Piet Dihedral |
Kevin,
Maybe it's just too early in the morning for me to figure out, but what on
earth are you talking about?
BC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
McDonald
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Piet Dihedral
1 piece wing with no dihedral does create the butter churn.
ktm
austin tx
----- Original Message -----
From: GR <mailto:grhewitt@globaldial.com> Hewitt
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 6:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Piet Dihedral
What is the consensus views on Dihedral in Piet wings if you put any in, how
much please.
Thanks Graham Hewitt
Hanging wings on for a trial fit
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Subject: | Heel brake pedals |
Thanks Oscar and whoever it was that sent the pictures of Bill Rewey's styl
e toe brake set up. I was trying to keep my cockpits as free of mechanical
stuff as possible but might have to reconsider. I didn't realize that the A
zusa drums were too thin for something as heavy as a Piet. A friend said he
has used them on his Piet and they work good for him. I have a used Goodye
ar hydraulic brake set up but the spines in the wheel that engage the brake
rotors in one of the wheels are baddly worn that's mainly why I was thinki
ng of adapting them to the Asuzas. If I can find a good used wheel I might
go with the hydraulic toe brakes. Thanks for the great input. Back to the d
rawing board. Ed G.
From: taildrags@hotmail.comTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.comSubject: Pietenp
ol-List: Heel brake pedalsDate: Mon=2C 9 Feb 2009 22:07:19 -0600
Air Camper NX41CC has toe brakes exactly like the Bill Reweydetail and like
several others have shown. I really like them.I used to think that I'd li
ke heel brakes better since that's whatI cut my teeth on in my J-3 Cub trai
ning days=2C but the rudder baron the Piet makes it not so easy to deal wit
h heel brakes. The"Bill Rewey" toe brake setup is simple=2C effective=2C a
nd it puts thebrake masters where they are quite easy to inspect and servic
e.My other project=2C the M-19 Flying Squirrel=2C uses Azusa mechanicaldrum
brakes and even though I have not flown them yet=2C I've heard(and seen fo
r myself) that the drums are quite thin and easy to getout of round with he
avy brake application. I had mine trued up ona lathe but even so=2C they a
re quite lightweight and prone to distortion.I'd go with Tracy O'Brien modi
fied Azusas (www.TracyObrien.com) onsomething the size of a Piet. They are
used on KRs and work fine.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio=2C TXma
ilto: taildrags@hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: NX-, NC- radio calls |
Firing a gun off at the person in the other plane usually gets their attent
ion too;at least it did in the first world war.;-0=0A=0Ado not archive=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.
com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, February 9, 2009 7:
21:26 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX-, NC- radio calls=0A=0A--> Piete
npol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>=0A=0AI just kinda
skip that part.- I usually just say what I want to do.- I try to throt
tle back so they can hear me better, which usually helps the folks on the g
round.- But I've yet to have someone in another airplane hear me though.
- Thinking about carrying a megaphone with me.- Gotta love the no elect
ric thing.- =0A=0ASorry!=0ADon Emch=0ANX899DE=0A=0APLEASE! DO NOT ARCHIVE
!!!!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronic
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Subject: | NX-, NC- radio calls |
If you call yourself "Experimental" when talking to Flight Service or
ATC, they won't automatically understand that your tail number is NX.
They'll just assume you're an HXA, HXB, or HXC. If I answer the call,
I'll want to know what type of Experimental I'm talking to. Also, for
the purposes of logging the contact, we should be told that you are a
"November Xray One Two Three Fower", etc. That way, if anything ever
happens to you, we can assist in the search. Specificity is critical to
safety, in my opinion.
-Wayne Bressler
DCA AFSS
www.GANation.com
www.taildraggersinc.com
I have used "Experimental" before, but saying that immediately causes
the question "what type experimental?"
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
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Subject: | Re: Re Piet Dihedral |
Hi Bill,
I guess that was a bit cryptic.
The one piece wing implies no dihedral.
This doesn't add up to much stability in the roll axis.
You don't really notice it but if you look down at the stick while
you're flying it is pretty much constantly moving.
My friend that grew up on Cub's termed it 'the butter churn'.
Taking the dihedral out of a plane does seem to make it faster.
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:28 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Piet Dihedral
Kevin,
Maybe it's just too early in the morning for me to figure out, but
what on earth are you talking about?
BC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
McDonald
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:52 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Piet Dihedral
1 piece wing with no dihedral does create the butter churn.
ktm
austin tx
----- Original Message -----
From: GR Hewitt
To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 6:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Piet Dihedral
What is the consensus views on Dihedral in Piet wings if you put any
in, how much please.
Thanks Graham Hewitt
Hanging wings on for a trial fit
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Subject: | Re: Re Piet Dihedral |
We like that butter churn; makes us feel like we are flyin fighter jets eh!
=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:
Kevin McDonald <ktmaustin@sbcglobal.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.co
m=0ASent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:24:04 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-L
ist: Re Piet Dihedral=0A=0A=0AHi Bill,=0AI guess that was a bit cryptic.=0A
The one piece wing implies no dihedral.=0AThis doesn't add up to much stabi
lity in the roll axis.=0AYou don't really notice it but if you look down at
the stick while you're flying it is pretty much constantly moving.=0AMy fr
iend that grew up on Cub's termed it 'the butter churn'.=0ATaking the dihed
ral out of a plane does seem to make it faster.=0AKevin-=0A=0A----- Origi
nal Message ----- =0AFrom: Bill Church =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:28 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List:
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Subject: | NX-, NC- radio calls |
10-4 - eschew obfuscation
Tom S, McPherson, KS.
>>Specificity is critical to
>>safety, in my opinion.
>>Wayne Bressler
>>DCA AFSS
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Subject: | Brodhead International |
This is just a sticker, not a design for a patch or hat. Just something you can
put on your bumper or rudder, or backpack - to make little grasshoppers ask
questions.
Steve E.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead International
Steve,
That design is fine for a sticker for the event this year. Looks good. However,
when it comes to a patch, a hat, or whatever, I hope that both Pietenpol and
the image of the plane itself are more prominently displayed. I am speaking
only for myself, of course.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Eldredge <steve@byu.edu>
>Sent: Feb 9, 2009 2:11 PM
>To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead International
>
>
>All Pietenpolers!
>
>The snow and the gray skies has got me thinking about summer, and our 80th Anniversary
plans.
>
>I am excited to make the trip to Brodhead and sit round the campfire and enjoy
the misty mornings in the early light of day.
>
>Like the rest of you I'm face with the challenge of arranging vacation, family
and means to make the trip happen. I have three aims for this trip. 1) Teach
my boys (Dallin, age 9, and Crandall, age 11) how to dream big and work hard.
2) Show them the beauty of America - Low and Slow style. 3) teach them to
give generously.
>
>While I'm working on another round of baseball caps and an anniversary patch,
My boys and I came up with the idea they can help with. Crandall and Dallin,
(with a little help from Dad) present the soon-to-be-famous 'Brodhead International'
sticker! To honor EAA chapter 431 and give something back to our hosts
who so kindly and graciously invite us back every year, we are donating $1
per order sold, to them.
>
>Here is the design. Size is 4x6 in Black and white.
>$5 each or 3 for $10
>Shipping included.
>[cid:image002.png@01C98AAE.389018C0]
>Send checks to:
>
>Crandall or Dallin Eldredge
>2810 E Canyon Rd
>Spanish Fork, UT 84660
>
>
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Subject: | Aileron turnbuckles |
NX41CC has the aileron turnbuckles in the cockpit as well=2C but Corky
installed links in the wings=2C outboard of the centersection attach=2C to
allow disconnecting the aileron control cables when the wings are
removed. This feature came in quite handy when I removed the wings
to do the repairs and rebuild on the airplane.
There are inspection covers directly below the links (basically the same
thing as motorcycle links=2C joining the cable ends with thimbles).
Slackening the cables by loosening the turnbuckles=2C then disconnecting
the links on both sides and the crossover interconnect cable in the
centersection=2C the ailerons are free and there is no pulling the cable or
fittings back through pulleys.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Aileron turnbuckles |
I have my turnbuckles out at the ailerons, but as far as your statement abo
ut disassembly, I still need to remove the pulleys in the center section to
get the end fittings through the bracket.- So I guess to answer your que
stion, it doesn't make much difference
-
Ben Charvet
--- On Tue, 2/10/09, GR Hewitt <grhewitt@globaldial.com> wrote:
From: GR Hewitt <grhewitt@globaldial.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron turnbuckles
Where is the best position for the turnbuckles in the ailerons.
Would like to put them in wing center section to enable easy wing removal,
but not much space. They have to be accessed for maintenance,
-
If I put them in the cockpit, the fittings would not go thru the pulleys in
the center section during wing removal in the easrly stages.
-
Can=A2t find any info in archives
-
Regards Graham Hewitt
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Subject: | Re: Laminating Question |
Carson, T-88 is the right stuff! Last summer I made a bad landing and
destoyed my left landing gear Vee, made of 4 pieces of laminated ash.The
glue joints held the ash did not. The left wheel ended up under the
fuselage. My cabanes are also laminated ash.--Jim Lagowski
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "carson" <carsonvella@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Laminating Question
>
> Is T88 ok for making laminations I plan on Laminating some ash and
> mahogany for my cabanes or should I use west systems or something else?
> Thanks
> Carson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229510#229510
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Laminating Question |
make the whole plane out of T-88 and you won't ever break up on a bad landi
ng.Forget about the wood;-)=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________
______________________=0AFrom: Lagowski Morrow <jimdeb@charter.net>=0ATo: p
ietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 3:07:18 PM
=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Laminating Question=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List
message posted by: "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb@charter.net>=0A=0ACarson, T-8
8 is the right stuff! Last summer I made a bad landing and =0Adestoyed my l
eft landing gear Vee, made of 4 pieces of laminated ash.The =0Aglue joints
held the ash did not. The left wheel ended up under the =0Afuselage. My cab
anes are also laminated ash.--Jim Lagowski=0A=0Ado not archive=0A----- Orig
inal Message ----- =0AFrom: "carson" <carsonvella@yahoo.com.au>=0ATo: <piet
enpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:07 AM=0ASubj
ect: Pietenpol-List: Laminating Question=0A=0A=0A> --> Pietenpol-List messa
ge posted by: "carson" <carsonvella@yahoo.com.au>=0A>=0A> Is T88 ok for mak
ing laminations I plan on Laminating some ash and =0A> mahogany for my caba
nes or should I use west systems or something else?=0A> Thanks=0A> Carson
=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A> http://forums.mat
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Subject: | Re: Heel brake pedals |
Just a thought... I used hand brakes mounted up and out of the way under the panel.
They are just mechanical drum brakes for go-carts. I've been real happy
with the set-up. If you are interested I'll try to get some pictures.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Re: Heel brake pedals |
Don,
I'd like to know more about your brakes. Pictures would be great.
Arden Adamson
Waupaca, WI
Piet builder
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 2:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Heel brake pedals
Just a thought... I used hand brakes mounted up and out of the way under
the panel. They are just mechanical drum brakes for go-carts. I've been
real happy with the set-up. If you are interested I'll try to get some
pictures.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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