---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/10/09: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:08 AM - Laminating Question (carson) 2. 04:14 AM - Aileron turnbuckles (GR Hewitt) 3. 04:33 AM - Re: Aileron turnbuckles (gcardinal) 4. 04:34 AM - Re: Laminating Question (gcardinal) 5. 05:08 AM - Re: Heel brake pedals (Lagowski Morrow) 6. 06:31 AM - Re: Re Piet Dihedral (Bill Church) 7. 06:40 AM - Re: Heel brake pedals (Ed G.) 8. 06:50 AM - Re: Re: NX-, NC- radio calls (H RULE) 9. 07:35 AM - Re: NX-, NC- radio calls (wayne@taildraggersinc.com) 10. 08:25 AM - Re: Re Piet Dihedral (Kevin McDonald) 11. 08:46 AM - Re: Re Piet Dihedral (H RULE) 12. 08:53 AM - Re: NX-, NC- radio calls (TOM STINEMETZE) 13. 09:38 AM - Re: Brodhead International (Steve Eldredge) 14. 10:13 AM - Aileron turnbuckles (Oscar Zuniga) 15. 10:15 AM - Re: Aileron turnbuckles (Ben Charvet) 16. 12:08 PM - Re: Laminating Question (Lagowski Morrow) 17. 12:24 PM - Re: Laminating Question (H RULE) 18. 12:49 PM - Re: Heel brake pedals (Don Emch) 19. 07:04 PM - Re: Re: Heel brake pedals (Arden Adamson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Laminating Question From: "carson" Is T88 ok for making laminations I plan on Laminating some ash and mahogany for my cabanes or should I use west systems or something else? Thanks Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229510#229510 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:33 AM PST US From: "GR Hewitt" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron turnbuckles Where is the best position for the turnbuckles in the ailerons. Would like to put them in wing center section to enable easy wing removal, but not much space. They have to be accessed for maintenance, If I put them in the cockpit, the fittings would not go thru the pulleys in the center section during wing removal in the easrly stages. Can't find any info in archives Regards Graham Hewitt ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:47 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron turnbuckles On NX18235 the aileron turnbuckles are located in the cockpit. The wings come off infrequently so disassembling the pulleys is not an issue. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: GR Hewitt To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:13 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron turnbuckles Where is the best position for the turnbuckles in the ailerons. Would like to put them in wing center section to enable easy wing removal, but not much space. They have to be accessed for maintenance, If I put them in the cockpit, the fittings would not go thru the pulleys in the center section during wing removal in the easrly stages. Can't find any info in archives Regards Graham Hewitt ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:30 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Laminating Question T88 would work just fine. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "carson" Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Laminating Question > > Is T88 ok for making laminations I plan on Laminating some ash and > mahogany for my cabanes or should I use west systems or something else? > Thanks > Carson > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229510#229510 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:24 AM PST US From: "Lagowski Morrow" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Heel brake pedals I also used the Bill Rewey toe brake approach. --Jim Lagowski Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Oscar Zuniga To: Pietenpol List Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Heel brake pedals Air Camper NX41CC has toe brakes exactly like the Bill Rewey detail and like several others have shown. I really like them. I used to think that I'd like heel brakes better since that's what I cut my teeth on in my J-3 Cub training days, but the rudder bar on the Piet makes it not so easy to deal with heel brakes. The "Bill Rewey" toe brake setup is simple, effective, and it puts the brake masters where they are quite easy to inspect and service. My other project, the M-19 Flying Squirrel, uses Azusa mechanical drum brakes and even though I have not flown them yet, I've heard (and seen for myself) that the drums are quite thin and easy to get out of round with heavy brake application. I had mine trued up on a lathe but even so, they are quite lightweight and prone to distortion. I'd go with Tracy O'Brien modified Azusas (www.TracyObrien.com) on something the size of a Piet. They are used on KRs and work fine. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 01/30/09 17:31:00 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:42 AM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Piet Dihedral Kevin, Maybe it's just too early in the morning for me to figure out, but what on earth are you talking about? BC do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin McDonald Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Piet Dihedral 1 piece wing with no dihedral does create the butter churn. ktm austin tx ----- Original Message ----- From: GR Hewitt Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 6:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Piet Dihedral What is the consensus views on Dihedral in Piet wings if you put any in, how much please. Thanks Graham Hewitt Hanging wings on for a trial fit ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:10 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Heel brake pedals Thanks Oscar and whoever it was that sent the pictures of Bill Rewey's styl e toe brake set up. I was trying to keep my cockpits as free of mechanical stuff as possible but might have to reconsider. I didn't realize that the A zusa drums were too thin for something as heavy as a Piet. A friend said he has used them on his Piet and they work good for him. I have a used Goodye ar hydraulic brake set up but the spines in the wheel that engage the brake rotors in one of the wheels are baddly worn that's mainly why I was thinki ng of adapting them to the Asuzas. If I can find a good used wheel I might go with the hydraulic toe brakes. Thanks for the great input. Back to the d rawing board. Ed G. From: taildrags@hotmail.comTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.comSubject: Pietenp ol-List: Heel brake pedalsDate: Mon=2C 9 Feb 2009 22:07:19 -0600 Air Camper NX41CC has toe brakes exactly like the Bill Reweydetail and like several others have shown. I really like them.I used to think that I'd li ke heel brakes better since that's whatI cut my teeth on in my J-3 Cub trai ning days=2C but the rudder baron the Piet makes it not so easy to deal wit h heel brakes. The"Bill Rewey" toe brake setup is simple=2C effective=2C a nd it puts thebrake masters where they are quite easy to inspect and servic e.My other project=2C the M-19 Flying Squirrel=2C uses Azusa mechanicaldrum brakes and even though I have not flown them yet=2C I've heard(and seen fo r myself) that the drums are quite thin and easy to getout of round with he avy brake application. I had mine trued up ona lathe but even so=2C they a re quite lightweight and prone to distortion.I'd go with Tracy O'Brien modi fied Azusas (www.TracyObrien.com) onsomething the size of a Piet. They are used on KRs and work fine.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio=2C TXma ilto: taildrags@hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:46 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX-, NC- radio calls Firing a gun off at the person in the other plane usually gets their attent ion too;at least it did in the first world war.;-0=0A=0Ado not archive=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Don Emch =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, February 9, 2009 7: 21:26 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX-, NC- radio calls=0A=0A--> Piete npol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" =0A=0AI just kinda skip that part.- I usually just say what I want to do.- I try to throt tle back so they can hear me better, which usually helps the folks on the g round.- But I've yet to have someone in another airplane hear me though. - Thinking about carrying a megaphone with me.- Gotta love the no elect ric thing.- =0A=0ASorry!=0ADon Emch=0ANX899DE=0A=0APLEASE! DO NOT ARCHIVE !!!!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronic -======================== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:46 AM PST US From: wayne@taildraggersinc.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: NX-, NC- radio calls If you call yourself "Experimental" when talking to Flight Service or ATC, they won't automatically understand that your tail number is NX. They'll just assume you're an HXA, HXB, or HXC. If I answer the call, I'll want to know what type of Experimental I'm talking to. Also, for the purposes of logging the contact, we should be told that you are a "November Xray One Two Three Fower", etc. That way, if anything ever happens to you, we can assist in the search. Specificity is critical to safety, in my opinion. -Wayne Bressler DCA AFSS www.GANation.com www.taildraggersinc.com I have used "Experimental" before, but saying that immediately causes the question "what type experimental?" > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:06 AM PST US From: "Kevin McDonald" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Piet Dihedral Hi Bill, I guess that was a bit cryptic. The one piece wing implies no dihedral. This doesn't add up to much stability in the roll axis. You don't really notice it but if you look down at the stick while you're flying it is pretty much constantly moving. My friend that grew up on Cub's termed it 'the butter churn'. Taking the dihedral out of a plane does seem to make it faster. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Piet Dihedral Kevin, Maybe it's just too early in the morning for me to figure out, but what on earth are you talking about? BC do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin McDonald Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:52 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Piet Dihedral 1 piece wing with no dihedral does create the butter churn. ktm austin tx ----- Original Message ----- From: GR Hewitt To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 6:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Piet Dihedral What is the consensus views on Dihedral in Piet wings if you put any in, how much please. Thanks Graham Hewitt Hanging wings on for a trial fit href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:15 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Piet Dihedral We like that butter churn; makes us feel like we are flyin fighter jets eh! =0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Kevin McDonald =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.co m=0ASent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:24:04 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-L ist: Re Piet Dihedral=0A=0A=0AHi Bill,=0AI guess that was a bit cryptic.=0A The one piece wing implies no dihedral.=0AThis doesn't add up to much stabi lity in the roll axis.=0AYou don't really notice it but if you look down at the stick while you're flying it is pretty much constantly moving.=0AMy fr iend that grew up on Cub's termed it 'the butter churn'.=0ATaking the dihed ral out of a plane does seem to make it faster.=0AKevin-=0A=0A----- Origi nal Message ----- =0AFrom: Bill Church =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:28 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Piet Dihedral=0A=0AKevin,=0AMaybe it's just too early in the morning for me to figure out, but what on earth are you talking about?=0A-=0ABC=0A -=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: owner -pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@ma tronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin McDonald=0ASent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:52 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: R e Piet Dihedral=0A=0A=0A1 piece wing with no dihedral does create the butte r churn.=0Aktm=0Aaustin tx=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: GR Hewit t =0ATo: Pietenpol-List Digest Server =0ASent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 6:47 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re Piet Dihedral=0A=0AWhat is the consen sus views on Dihedral in Piet wings if you put any in, how much please.=0A -=0AThanks Graham Hewitt=0A-=0A-Hanging wings on for a trial fit=0A =0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.c om">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion">http://www.matronics.com/c=0A=0A=0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Li st=0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahre f="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c=0A =================== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:40 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: NX-, NC- radio calls 10-4 - eschew obfuscation Tom S, McPherson, KS. >>Specificity is critical to >>safety, in my opinion. >>Wayne Bressler >>DCA AFSS ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:27 AM PST US From: Steve Eldredge Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead International This is just a sticker, not a design for a patch or hat. Just something you can put on your bumper or rudder, or backpack - to make little grasshoppers ask questions. Steve E. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead International Steve, That design is fine for a sticker for the event this year. Looks good. However, when it comes to a patch, a hat, or whatever, I hope that both Pietenpol and the image of the plane itself are more prominently displayed. I am speaking only for myself, of course. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Steve Eldredge >Sent: Feb 9, 2009 2:11 PM >To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead International > > >All Pietenpolers! > >The snow and the gray skies has got me thinking about summer, and our 80th Anniversary plans. > >I am excited to make the trip to Brodhead and sit round the campfire and enjoy the misty mornings in the early light of day. > >Like the rest of you I'm face with the challenge of arranging vacation, family and means to make the trip happen. I have three aims for this trip. 1) Teach my boys (Dallin, age 9, and Crandall, age 11) how to dream big and work hard. 2) Show them the beauty of America - Low and Slow style. 3) teach them to give generously. > >While I'm working on another round of baseball caps and an anniversary patch, My boys and I came up with the idea they can help with. Crandall and Dallin, (with a little help from Dad) present the soon-to-be-famous 'Brodhead International' sticker! To honor EAA chapter 431 and give something back to our hosts who so kindly and graciously invite us back every year, we are donating $1 per order sold, to them. > >Here is the design. Size is 4x6 in Black and white. >$5 each or 3 for $10 >Shipping included. >[cid:image002.png@01C98AAE.389018C0] >Send checks to: > >Crandall or Dallin Eldredge >2810 E Canyon Rd >Spanish Fork, UT 84660 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:51 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron turnbuckles NX41CC has the aileron turnbuckles in the cockpit as well=2C but Corky installed links in the wings=2C outboard of the centersection attach=2C to allow disconnecting the aileron control cables when the wings are removed. This feature came in quite handy when I removed the wings to do the repairs and rebuild on the airplane. There are inspection covers directly below the links (basically the same thing as motorcycle links=2C joining the cable ends with thimbles). Slackening the cables by loosening the turnbuckles=2C then disconnecting the links on both sides and the crossover interconnect cable in the centersection=2C the ailerons are free and there is no pulling the cable or fittings back through pulleys. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:54 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron turnbuckles I have my turnbuckles out at the ailerons, but as far as your statement abo ut disassembly, I still need to remove the pulleys in the center section to get the end fittings through the bracket.- So I guess to answer your que stion, it doesn't make much difference - Ben Charvet --- On Tue, 2/10/09, GR Hewitt wrote: From: GR Hewitt Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron turnbuckles Where is the best position for the turnbuckles in the ailerons. Would like to put them in wing center section to enable easy wing removal, but not much space. They have to be accessed for maintenance, - If I put them in the cockpit, the fittings would not go thru the pulleys in the center section during wing removal in the easrly stages. - Can=A2t find any info in archives - Regards Graham Hewitt ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:40 PM PST US From: "Lagowski Morrow" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Laminating Question Carson, T-88 is the right stuff! Last summer I made a bad landing and destoyed my left landing gear Vee, made of 4 pieces of laminated ash.The glue joints held the ash did not. The left wheel ended up under the fuselage. My cabanes are also laminated ash.--Jim Lagowski do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "carson" Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Laminating Question > > Is T88 ok for making laminations I plan on Laminating some ash and > mahogany for my cabanes or should I use west systems or something else? > Thanks > Carson > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229510#229510 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 17:31:00 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:44 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Laminating Question make the whole plane out of T-88 and you won't ever break up on a bad landi ng.Forget about the wood;-)=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________ ______________________=0AFrom: Lagowski Morrow =0ATo: p ietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 3:07:18 PM =0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Laminating Question=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Lagowski Morrow" =0A=0ACarson, T-8 8 is the right stuff! Last summer I made a bad landing and =0Adestoyed my l eft landing gear Vee, made of 4 pieces of laminated ash.The =0Aglue joints held the ash did not. The left wheel ended up under the =0Afuselage. My cab anes are also laminated ash.--Jim Lagowski=0A=0Ado not archive=0A----- Orig inal Message ----- =0AFrom: "carson" =0ATo: =0ASent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:07 AM=0ASubj ect: Pietenpol-List: Laminating Question=0A=0A=0A> --> Pietenpol-List messa ge posted by: "carson" =0A>=0A> Is T88 ok for mak ing laminations I plan on Laminating some ash and =0A> mahogany for my caba nes or should I use west systems or something else?=0A> Thanks=0A> Carson =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A> http://forums.mat ronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229510#229510=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A---------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------=0A=0A=0A=0AChecked by AVG - www.avg.com=0A17:31:00 ================= ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Heel brake pedals From: "Don Emch" Just a thought... I used hand brakes mounted up and out of the way under the panel. They are just mechanical drum brakes for go-carts. I've been real happy with the set-up. If you are interested I'll try to get some pictures. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229599#229599 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:07 PM PST US From: "Arden Adamson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Heel brake pedals Don, I'd like to know more about your brakes. Pictures would be great. Arden Adamson Waupaca, WI Piet builder -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 2:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Heel brake pedals Just a thought... I used hand brakes mounted up and out of the way under the panel. They are just mechanical drum brakes for go-carts. I've been real happy with the set-up. If you are interested I'll try to get some pictures. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229599#229599 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.