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1. 01:02 AM - Anchorage Alaska Begich Middle School Pietenpol Project Arrived (Rob Stapleton, Jr.)
2. 05:34 AM - Re: Re: Heel brake pedals (Michael Perez)
3. 05:53 AM - Re: Re: Heel brake pedals (Bill Church)
4. 06:02 AM - Heel brake pedals (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 06:13 AM - Re: Heel brake pedals (Phillips, Jack)
6. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: Heel brake pedals (Scott Knowlton)
7. 06:22 AM - brakes (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
8. 06:23 AM - Re: Re: Heel brake pedals (Ryan Mueller)
9. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: Heel brake pedals (Ryan Mueller)
10. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: Heel brake pedals (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
11. 06:56 AM - Sorry new subject OT Austin area airports/hangers (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
12. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: Heel brake pedals (Bill Church)
13. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: Heel brake pedals (Michael Perez)
14. 07:33 AM - Re: brakes (Michael Perez)
15. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: Heel brake pedals (Michael Perez)
16. 07:50 AM - Gary & Shad's motor mount (Ryan Mueller)
17. 07:54 AM - Re: brakes (Scott Knowlton)
18. 07:54 AM - Re: Heel brake pedals (John Hofmann)
19. 08:27 AM - Re: Heel brake pedals (Michael Perez)
20. 09:33 AM - Re: Sorry new subject OT Austin area airports/hangers (Tim Willis)
21. 10:01 AM - taxi practice available (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
22. 10:13 AM - Re: taxi practice available (Tim Willis)
23. 10:31 AM - Re: taxi practice available (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
24. 11:01 AM - Re: taxi practice available (Tim Willis)
25. 11:12 AM - Re: taxi practice available (Bill Church)
26. 11:23 AM - Re: taxi practice available (Tim Willis)
27. 11:39 AM - Re: taxi practice available (TOM STINEMETZE)
28. 11:45 AM - Re: taxi practice available (Bill Church)
29. 11:54 AM - Re: taxi practice available (TOM STINEMETZE)
30. 12:04 PM - hey buddy, could you check the oil while you're out there ? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
31. 12:15 PM - Re: taxi practice available (H RULE)
32. 12:21 PM - Re: taxi practice available (Gary Boothe)
33. 12:22 PM - Re: taxi practice available (TOM STINEMETZE)
34. 03:44 PM - Re: taxi practice available (H RULE)
35. 06:38 PM - Re: Heel brake pedals OT Nonstandardization pre WWII (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
36. 06:59 PM - Re: Re: taxi practice available OT (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
37. 07:47 PM - Hand Brake Pictures (Don Emch)
38. 07:49 PM - Re: Hand Brake Pictures (Don Emch)
39. 09:25 PM - Re: taxi practice available (Clif Dawson)
40. 09:25 PM - Re: taxi practice available (Clif Dawson)
41. 09:50 PM - Re: Heel brake pedals OT Nonstandardization pre WWII (mike)
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| Subject: | Anchorage Alaska Begich Middle School Pietenpol Project |
Arrived
Just to let you know the Aerial Pietenpol project arrived yesterday in
Anchorage. Thanks to Oscar Zuniga for donating it, Jeff Scott for crating
it, Carlile Transportation Services for transporting it and Alaska
Interstate Batteries for unloading the crate by forklift once in Anchorage
at the Begich Middle School.
CFI, A&P and pilot, Dominic Balappa and I will assess the project on
Thursday afternoon when we crack open the crate! More later..
Rob Stapleton
Anchorage, AK
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brake pedals |
That is cool Don. I have been thinking about hand brakes, but was stuck on
the independent braking idea. I guess two handles...once on the ground a ha
nd on each brake and my two feet should be all I need. (throttle from time
to time.) I would be interested in how yours is set up.
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brake pedals |
Michael,
Even when on the ground, you're going to need to keep one hand on the stick,
since you should always be applying full "up" elevator when taxiing, so the
two-handle idea probably isn't going to fly (sorry for the bad pun).
There was a list member several years ago that had developed a stick-mounted
differential hand brake system, but I don't know if it ever got completed,
and if it did, how well it worked. The braking force was to be applied
through a motorcycle-type lever, and moving the stick side-to-side would
apply more braking power to one side or the other. Sounds like a neat idea -
just don't know if it really worked. It may require more squeezing power
than the average hand can provide.
Bill C.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:32 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Heel brake pedals
That is cool Don. I have been thinking about hand brakes, but was stuck on
the independent braking idea. I guess two handles...once on the ground a
hand on each brake and my two feet should be all I need. (throttle from time
to time.) I would be interested in how yours is set up.
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| Subject: | Heel brake pedals |
Is my reasoning going soft=2C or will different types of brakes
work differently with spoked motorcycle-style wheels as
opposed to smaller wheels and tires? It would seem like a
mechanical drum brake would work well with motorcycle
style wheels.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Heel brake pedals |
Did you ever notice historically that airplanes quit using big spoked
wheels at about the same time they started using brakes? It takes A LOT
of braking torque to stop a big wheel. I've got 8" Cleveland hydraulic
brakes on my Pietenpol, with 21" wheels. The brakes are adequate to
hold it for a run-up, but won't quite hold it still at full power. If I
get on the brakes HARD right after touchdown, it still takes a couple
hundred feet to stop the airplane. I don't know that you would find
much difference between mechanical or hydraulic brakes. I've flown Mike
Cuy's Pietenpol, and he has 19" wheels with mechanical brakes, with
about the same effectiveness as mine. They are useful for a run-up and
for taxiing and turning tight corners. Really, they are perfectly
adequate, but nothing like you get with small wheels.
Whatever you use, drum or disc, use the biggest drum or disc you can
find. Look at the size of the disc on a Harley. I'll bet those discs
are 12" in diameter, and they get excellent stopping power on a vehicle
that weighs about what a Pietenpol does (or less)
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Heel brake pedals
Is my reasoning going soft, or will different types of brakes
work differently with spoked motorcycle-style wheels as
opposed to smaller wheels and tires? It would seem like a
mechanical drum brake would work well with motorcycle
style wheels.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brake pedals |
I'm with Bill on this. Having taught many hours of tailwheel instruction it is
my opinion that you need to be prepared to manipulate every control surface on
the ground that you would require in the air (that includes the throttle).
The easiest airplanes to teach on are those equiped with toe brakes followed by
those with heel brakes. Any braking system that removes one or more or your
limbs from your primary flight controls will inevitably put a person in a situation
where they cannot fully control the airplane at the very moment when it
desperatly requires you to do so. This being the case, I would prefer no brakes
to a system like that (I've seen more planes with brakes ground loop or leave
the runway into the rubarb than ski planes - albeit the rubarb isn't too deep
during ski season ;). Just my opinion.
Scott knowlton
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From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Heel brake pedals
Michael,
Even when on the ground, you're going to need to keep one hand on the stick, since
you should always be applying full "up" elevator when taxiing, so the two-handle
idea probably isn't going to fly (sorry for the bad pun).
There was a list member several years ago that had developed a stick-mounted differential
hand brake system, but I don't know if it ever got completed, and if
it did, how well it worked. The braking force was to be applied through a motorcycle-type
lever, and moving the stick side-to-side would apply more braking
power to one side or the other. Sounds like a neat idea - just don't know if
it really worked. It may require more squeezing power than the average hand can
provide.
Bill C.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:32 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Heel brake pedals
That is cool Don. I have been thinking about hand brakes, but was stuck on the
independent braking idea. I guess two handles...once on the ground a hand on each
brake and my two feet should be all I need. (throttle from time to time.)
I would be interested in how yours is set up.
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To me brakes on a Pietenpol are only necessary for engine run-up and to kee
p from rolling into another airplane or the gas pumps
at slow taxi speeds. If you have to use brakes on takeoffs or landings, yo
u're in a bad position somehow.
Additionally for every landing and takeoff both hands should never leave th
e throttle and stick. A deer crossing the runway on
landing---a go around is needed immediately. A guy taxies out in front of
you...any number of things like you want to abort a takeoff.
I guess it is all what you're used to in braking. For me I installed heel
brakes like I was taught to use in my first taildragger--an Aeronca
Champ. Anyone who has Cub or Champ time feels comfortable with heel brake
s.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brake pedals |
Bill is correct in that you should keep a hand on the stick whilst taxiing,
although up elevator is not always the proper positioning. Stick
back/ailerons neutral for direct headwinds, stick forward/ailerons neutral
for direct tailwinds; when it comes to quartering winds, "turn into
headwinds, turn away from tailwinds", with the elevator in the appropriate
position. Your hand should remain on the throttle as much as practical
whilst taxiing, both from a safety standpoint and because you will need to
be adjusting your power to maintain a safe, controlled taxi speed.
Ryan
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> That is cool Don. I have been thinking about hand brakes, but was stuck on
> the independent braking idea. I guess two handles...once on the ground a
> hand on each brake and my two feet should be all I need. (throttle from time
> to time.) I would be interested in how yours is set up.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brake pedals |
Agreed Scott. I'm pretty sure I recall my CFI saying "Fly the airplane until
it's back in the hangar!", or some such thing along those lines...
Ryan
do not archive
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Scott Knowlton
<flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>wrote:
> flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
>
> I'm with Bill on this. Having taught many hours of tailwheel instruction
> it is my opinion that you need to be prepared to manipulate every control
> surface on the ground that you would require in the air (that includes the
> throttle). The easiest airplanes to teach on are those equiped with toe
> brakes followed by those with heel brakes. Any braking system that removes
> one or more or your limbs from your primary flight controls will inevitably
> put a person in a situation where they cannot fully control the airplane at
> the very moment when it desperatly requires you to do so. This being the
> case, I would prefer no brakes to a system like that (I've seen more planes
> with brakes ground loop or leave the runway into the rubarb than ski planes
> - albeit the rubarb isn't too deep during ski season ;). Just my opinion.
> Scott knowlton
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brake pedals |
There is a possibility that my next duty assignment will be in Austin, Texas.
I really like where I have my plane in San Antonio (At 8T8, San Geronimo airpark).
I have a private hanger with electricity. It is "only" about 2 hours from
Austin. So for a while I could leave my plane there.
We have lived in the Austin area (Round Rock and I worked in Austin) before and
know that we may have to live in a suburb or outlying community in able to find
an affordable house.
Can anyone tell me about potential hangers/airports in the Austin Area? And if
there might be any open hangers. That will influence where we start our housing
search.
Blue Skies,
Steve Dortch
Straight 35 Bonanza
8T8
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| Subject: | Sorry new subject OT Austin area airports/hangers |
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There is a possibility that my next duty assignment will be in Austin, Texas.
I really like where I have my plane in San Antonio (At 8T8, San Geronimo airpark).
I have a private hanger with electricity. It is "only" about 2 hours from
Austin. So for a while I could leave my plane there.
We have lived in the Austin area (Round Rock and I worked in Austin) before and
know that we may have to live in a suburb or outlying community in able to find
an affordable house.
Can anyone tell me about potential hangers/airports in the Austin Area? And if
there might be any open hangers. That will influence where we start our housing
search.
Blue Skies,
Steve Dortch
Straight 35 Bonanza
8T8
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brake pedals |
Good clarifications, Ryan.
Thanks for making that more clear.
In any case it seems pretty clear that the pilot needs to keep both hands
occupied with things other than brakes, whether in the air or on the ground.
Bill C.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Heel brake pedals
Bill is correct in that you should keep a hand on the stick whilst taxiing,
although up elevator is not always the proper positioning. Stick
back/ailerons neutral for direct headwinds, stick forward/ailerons neutral
for direct tailwinds; when it comes to quartering winds, "turn into
headwinds, turn away from tailwinds", with the elevator in the appropriate
position. Your hand should remain on the throttle as much as practical
whilst taxiing, both from a safety standpoint and because you will need to
be adjusting your power to maintain a safe, controlled taxi speed.
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brake pedals |
Good point Bill.
--- On Wed, 2/11/09, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Heel brake pedals
Michael,
-
Even when on the ground, you're going to need to keep one hand on the stick
, since you should always be applying full "up" elevator when taxiing, so t
he two-handle idea probably isn't going to fly (sorry for the bad pun).
-
There was a list member several years ago that had developed a stick-mounte
d differential hand brake system, but I don't know if it ever got completed
, and if it did, how well it worked. The braking force was to be applied th
rough a motorcycle-type lever, and moving the stick side-to-side would appl
y more braking power to one side or the other. Sounds like a neat idea - ju
st don't know if it really worked. It may require more squeezing power than
the average hand can provide.
-
Bill C.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:32 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Heel brake pedals
That is cool Don. I have been thinking about hand brakes, but was stuck on
the independent braking idea. I guess two handles...once on the ground a ha
nd on each brake and my two feet should be all I need. (throttle from time
to time.) I would be interested in how yours is set up.
-
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That is what I was referring to but not made clear in my post. I was not pl
anning on the brakes other then for holding the plane once stopped or to ai
d in maneuvering on the ground. But as Bill pointed out some back pressure
is required...if nothing else to keep the elevator from smacking around. I
would prefer heel/toe brakes, but was intrigued with the hand brake idea.
- Not quite there yet, still need to build left wing, fuse., landing gear
, tail, engine mount....
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brake pedals |
Agreed.
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--- On Wed, 2/11/09, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Heel brake pedals
Good clarifications, Ryan.
Thanks for making that more clear.
In any case it seems pretty clear that the pilot needs to keep both hands
-occupied with things other than brakes, whether in the air or on the gro
und.
-
Bill C.
-
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| Subject: | Gary & Shad's motor mount |
Shad (or whomever may know),
Did you guys go with the motor mount per the Pietenpol plans for your
Corvair? I didn't think to make a note of that at Brodhead, and I can't tell
definitively in any of my pics. Thanks,
Ryan
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I think we all tend to over emphasise the amount of breaking we think we ne
ed in a small aircraft. The only time you would miss having brakes would b
e when you are trying to manoeuvre in a small area or holding the aircraft
from creeping during a run-up. A firm application of one wheel brake on a
slow taxi along with rudder in the same direction will "unlock" a steerable
tailwheel into the castoring mode and allow the aircraft to be turned on a
very small radius (looks cool when you arrive at a fly-in breakfast). A s
mall tap of a break hear and there on a strong crosswind take-off and landi
ng for directional control is the other time that differential brakes come
in handy but that is a function that comes with skill and experience and is
more often the cause of a runway excursion if not properly executed. I do
ubt most of us will be flying our Pietenpols on a day where tapping of brak
es on take off or landing is needed so the requirement probably doesn't exi
st. Incidentally=2C the elevator is held in the aft position to keep a pos
itive force between the tailwheel and the ground or tarmack enabling steeri
ng to be the most effective. OK no more two cents from me...
Scott Knowlton
t: Re: Pietenpol-List: brakesTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
That is what I was referring to but not made clear in my post. I was not pl
anning on the brakes other then for holding the plane once stopped or to ai
d in maneuvering on the ground. But as Bill pointed out some back pressure
is required...if nothing else to keep the elevator from smacking around. I
would prefer heel/toe brakes=2C but was intrigued with the hand brake idea.
Not quite there yet=2C still need to build left wing=2C fuse.=2C landing
gear=2C tail=2C engine mount....
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brake pedals |
I am going to bite on this one too. Jack makes a great point about
wheel size. About this time in aviation history, there were quite a
few different methods of actuating brakes before there was a
standardization of sorts with heel brakes then toe brakes. I've been
in a WACO where the brakes where actuated with the throttle lever.
When you needed brake, with your left hand on the throttle, you
actually pulled the throttle lever inward, toward the inside of the
cockpit to actuate brakes. That was a little weird. There were many
Johnson Bar variations as well. I have been in a Stinson Jr. with a
Johnson Bar between the seats. One had to move hands all around to
pull up on the bar. That one made me uncomfortable. I also saw Heath
(I think) where the pilot wore leather gloves and just reached out to
grab or rub the wheels for friction.
I have gotten to really like heel brakes. Toe brakes on a taildragger,
especially if the brakes are good, can easily put you on your nose.
They can be pretty too easy to actuate. Heel brakes are out of the
way, for the most part, but easy to use. I have expander tube brakes
on the Cub which hold me for runup and for maneuvering. That is all I
figure I need them for. With vortex generators my landing speed is
supposedly 23 mph so I am stopped on my own in a couple hundred feet,
even on pavement. Plus, a Cub comes with a built-in headwind. I was
passed by a Pietenpol when leaving Brodhead last year. I like being
able to keep my attention outside the cockpit on the ground with hand
on throttle and stick.
Mike P., good thread. I would suggest you get a couple of hours dual
in a Cub so you get a feel for heel brakes and have some fun.
"I knew she wasn't worth top billing."
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
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Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Feb 11, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Phillips, Jack wrote:
> Did you ever notice historically that airplanes quit using big
> spoked wheels at about the same time they started using brakes? It
> takes A LOT of braking torque to stop a big wheel. I=92ve got 8=94
> Cleveland hydraulic brakes on my Pietenpol, with 21=94 wheels. The
> brakes are adequate to hold it for a run-up, but won=92t quite hold it
> still at full power. If I get on the brakes HARD right after
> touchdown, it still takes a couple hundred feet to stop the
> airplane. I don=92t know that you would find much difference between
> mechanical or hydraulic brakes. I=92ve flown Mike Cuy=92s Pietenpol,
> and he has 19=94 wheels with mechanical brakes, with about the same
> effectiveness as mine. They are useful for a run-up and for taxiing
> and turning tight corners. Really, they are perfectly adequate, but
> nothing like you get with small wheels.
>
> Whatever you use, drum or disc, use the biggest drum or disc you can
> find. Look at the size of the disc on a Harley. I=92ll bet those
> discs are 12=94 in diameter, and they get excellent stopping power on
> a vehicle that weighs about what a Pietenpol does (or less)
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:58 AM
> To: Pietenpol List
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Heel brake pedals
>
> Is my reasoning going soft, or will different types of brakes
> work differently with spoked motorcycle-style wheels as
> opposed to smaller wheels and tires? It would seem like a
> mechanical drum brake would work well with motorcycle
> style wheels.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brake pedals |
Not sure where this thread got started, but I can't take credit for it. It
is good stuff! I try to learn all I can on here so that I can build a nice
plane. I want brakes, so this info. is all good.
-
I am sure Mike C. will allow me into the rear cockpit of his plane to pract
ice taxing and the use of his brake set up. (I also think he will gladly pa
y for the damage I cause as I end up through the nearest hangar...)-
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Heel brake pedals
I am going to bite on this one too. Jack makes a great point about wheel si
ze. About this time in aviation history, there were quite a few different m
ethods of actuating brakes before there was a standardization of sorts with
heel brakes then toe brakes. I've been in a WACO where the brakes where ac
tuated with the throttle lever. When you needed brake, with your left hand
on the throttle, you actually pulled the throttle lever inward, toward the
inside of the cockpit to actuate brakes. That was a little weird. There wer
e many Johnson Bar variations as well. I have been in a Stinson Jr. with a
Johnson Bar between the seats. One had to move hands all around to pull up
on the bar. That one made me uncomfortable. I also saw Heath (I think) wher
e the pilot wore leather gloves and just reached out to grab or rub the whe
els for friction.
I have gotten to really like heel brakes. Toe brakes on a taildragger, espe
cially if the brakes are good, can easily put you on your nose. They can be
pretty too easy to actuate. Heel brakes are out of the way, for the most p
art, but easy to use. I have expander tube brakes on the Cub which hold me
for runup and for maneuvering. That is all I figure I need them for. With v
ortex generators my landing speed is supposedly 23 mph so I am stopped on m
y own in a couple hundred feet, even on pavement. Plus, a Cub comes with a
built-in headwind. I was passed by a Pietenpol when leaving Brodhead last y
ear. I like being able to keep my attention outside the cockpit on the grou
nd with hand on throttle and stick.
Mike P., good thread. I would suggest you get a couple of hours dual in a C
ub so you get a feel for heel brakes and have some fun.
"I knew she wasn't worth top billing."
-john-
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| Subject: | Re: Sorry new subject OT Austin area airports/hangers |
Steve,
You have to rule out GA hangars at Austin-Bergstrom. They are $3X the former Austin-Mueller
airport, and the old Mueller airport is now an industrial park.
Other Austin area airports:
Georgetown (about 30 mi. N. of downtown) 512.930.3666, paved, new FAA control tower
Kittie Hill-- Leander, TX (25 mi.l N. of d.t.) located right off recent excellent
Parmer Rd. Extension 512.259.0350 3 grass runways.
[Tell Charlie Densford, the airport owner and manager, who you are and that I referred
you. Maybe more important is your military status, for Charlie is a retired
LTC, US Army aviation, and a great guy.]
Lakeway-- 20 mi. northwest of d.t. Austin 512.261.4385, paved.
Taylor-- 25 mi. E. of Round Rock-- 512.352.5747, paved.
If I were you, I would get on a waiting list at each of these, for hangar space
is scarce and sometimes dear. FIFO on each list. Cancel yourself out if you
don't move. If available, a T-hangar at Kittie Hill is $165/mo., and at Taylor
I think $140/mo.
I live outside Georgetown and can recommend it as a place to live. I have a T-hangar
at Kittie Hill. Georgetown and Leander are growing rapidly. If you have
kids in school, Liberty Hill I.S.D. north of Leander is good, I think better
than Georgetown.
Taylor and Hutto to the east of town are growing rapidly. Hutto may be the fastest
growing town in the USA, maybe 20% a year. Neither Taylor not Hutto offer
as good lifestyle values, IMO, as Austin, Georgetown, Leander, etc. , but on
a cost/benefit basis, maybe they offer better values per sq.ft. etc., lots of
new developments, plagued homebuilders, etc. Not too many foreclosures yet
here in the Austin metro. R/E taxes in Williamson County (NW, N, NE, E of Austin)
are cheaper than Travis County (Austin).
Kevin McArthy on this board may be able to help, and offer different perspectives
as well. You can call me if you like.
Tim in central TX
mobile 512.864.4158
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-----Original Message-----
>From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>Sent: Feb 11, 2009 8:55 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sorry new subject OT Austin area airports/hangers
>
>Sorry this should be the new header.
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| Subject: | taxi practice available |
I will allow anyone who comes to the Cleveland area of Ohio to taxi my plan
e from the back seat to get used to the
heel brakes. I won't take responsibility for any damage though to the pla
ne or surroundings. Please contact Karen
Cuy for more information and taxi-practice times after I croak and you beco
me the new owner
Best regards,
M. Cuy
President,
Pietenpol Taxi Training & Heel Brake Academy & Wayward House for Female Wi
ngwalkers
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| Subject: | Re: taxi practice available |
Mike,
Pls send pix of wingwalkers in plain brown envelope; also denote waywardness--
metric and stats. Thx.
Tim in central TX
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-----Original Message-----
>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov>
>Sent: Feb 11, 2009 1:00 PM
>To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: taxi practice available
>
>I will allow anyone who comes to the Cleveland area of Ohio to taxi my plane from
the back seat to get used to the
>heel brakes. I won't take responsibility for any damage though to the plane
or surroundings. Please contact Karen
>Cuy for more information and taxi-practice times after I croak and you become
the new owner
>
>Best regards,
>
>M. Cuy
>President,
>Pietenpol Taxi Training & Heel Brake Academy & Wayward House for Female Wingwalkers
>
>
>Do not archive
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| Subject: | taxi practice available |
Tim,
My Human Resource representative Helen Wait told me that it is not only illegal
to
distribute sensitive personal information, photos, or copies of applications from
our wingwalker
database but unethical according to the National Labor Relations Board. Wish
I could be of
more help.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | taxi practice available |
Mike,
Drats!!! BTW,was that "Helen,Wait!" the former slipshod wingwalker?
Tim
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-----Original Message-----
>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov>
>Sent: Feb 11, 2009 1:30 PM
>To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: taxi practice available
>
>
>
>
>Tim,
>
>My Human Resource representative Helen Wait told me that it is not only illegal
to
>distribute sensitive personal information, photos, or copies of applications from
our wingwalker
>database but unethical according to the National Labor Relations Board. Wish
I could be of
>more help.
>
>Mike C.
>
>do not archive
>
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| Subject: | taxi practice available |
Not sure why you want this, Tim, but here's a (really crappy) picture of a
wingwalker in a plain brown envelope:
Do not archive this either
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: taxi practice available
--> <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Mike,
Pls send pix of wingwalkers in plain brown envelope; also denote
waywardness-- metric and stats. Thx.
Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | taxi practice available |
Why Bill, it's even a crappy brown envelope. It's exactly what I wanted; I'll
put it over the mantle. BTW, how many milk bottles would fit in the envelope?
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-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
>Sent: Feb 11, 2009 2:11 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: taxi practice available
>
>
>Not sure why you want this, Tim, but here's a (really crappy) picture of a
>wingwalker in a plain brown envelope:
>
>
>
>Do not archive this either
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
>Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:13 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: taxi practice available
>
>--> <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>
>Mike,
>
>Pls send pix of wingwalkers in plain brown envelope; also denote
>waywardness-- metric and stats. Thx.
>
>Tim in central TX
>
>Do not archive
>
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| Subject: | taxi practice available |
Why does your e-mail always show up just as my boss walks up behind me?
Tom S.
>>> "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com> 2/11/2009 1:11 PM >>>
Not sure why you want this, Tim, but here's a (really crappy) picture of a
wingwalker in a plain brown envelope:
<<...>>
Do not archive this either
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: taxi practice available
--> <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Mike,
Pls send pix of wingwalkers in plain brown envelope; also denote waywardnes
s-- metric and stats. Thx.
Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | taxi practice available |
Tom,
You need to develop another set of eyes (in the back of your head).
Sorry for the grief.
(no stupid pictures attached)
BC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:38 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: taxi practice available
Why does your e-mail always show up just as my boss walks up behind me?
Tom S.
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| Subject: | taxi practice available |
Bill:
>From what I hear, that would also be a benefit to help avoid bird strikes
in the Piet.
Tom S.
>>> "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com> 2/11/2009 1:44 PM >>>
Tom,
You need to develop another set of eyes (in the back of your head).
Sorry for the grief.
(no stupid pictures attached)
BC
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| Subject: | hey buddy, could you check the oil while you're out there |
?
We've got to try this at Brodhead this summer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF19F51xkr4&feature=related
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| Subject: | Re: taxi practice available |
If you can;put little pirch holdings on your wings and then when the birds
do come along encourage them to hang on and give you a lift;-]-=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity
.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, February 11, 20
09 2:53:18 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: taxi practice available=0A=0A
=0ABill:=0A-=0AFrom what I hear, that would also be a benefit to help avo
id bird strikes in the Piet.=0A-=0ATom S.=0A=0A=0A>>> "Bill Church" <eng@
canadianrogers.com> 2/11/2009 1:44 PM >>>=0A=0ATom,=0A-=0AYou need to dev
elop another set of eyes (in the back of your head).=0ASorry for the grief.
=0A(no stupid pictures attached)=0A-=0ABC=0A-=0Ado not archive=0A-=0A
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| Subject: | taxi practice available |
Bosses can detect that guilty look, just by looking at the back of your
ears.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
(12 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: taxi practice available
Why does your e-mail always show up just as my boss walks up behind me?
Tom S.
>>> "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com> 2/11/2009 1:11 PM >>>
Not sure why you want this, Tim, but here's a (really crappy) picture of a
wingwalker in a plain brown envelope:
<<...>>
Do not archive this either
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: taxi practice available
--> <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Mike,
Pls send pix of wingwalkers in plain brown envelope; also denote
waywardness-- metric and stats. Thx.
Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | Re: taxi practice available |
Kind of like when we used to superglue flies to our tiny balsa airplanes
for motive power. (Whoops - sorry - that wasn't me.)
Tom S.
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>>> H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> 2/11/2009 2:14 PM >>>
If you can;put little pirch holdings on your wings and then when the birds
do come along encourage them to hang on and give you a lift;-]
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| Subject: | Re: taxi practice available |
You can work you butt off all day long and the minute you slack off there t
hey are.I just put pictures of naked women up on my computer and it takes t
heir attention off me!!!!=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________
____________________=0AFrom: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>=0ATo: piete
npol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:20:24 PM=0AS
ubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: taxi practice available=0A=0A=0ABosses can dete
ct that guilty look, just by looking at the back of your ears.=0AGary Booth
e=0ACool, Ca.=0APietenpol=0AWW Corvair Conversion=0ATail done, working on f
uselage (endless metal parts!)=0A(12 ribs down=85)=0ADo not archive=0A=0A__
______________________________=0A=0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matron
ics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE=0ASent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:38 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-l
ist@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: taxi practice available=0A
-=0AWhy does your e-mail always show up just as my boss walks up behind m
e?=0A-=0ATom S.=0A=0A=0A>>> "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com> 2/11/2
009 1:11 PM >>>=0A=0A=0ANot sure why you want this, Tim, but here's a (real
ly crappy) picture of a wingwalker in a plain brown envelope:=0A<<...>> =0A
Do not archive this either=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-piete
npol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronic
s.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis=0ASent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:13 PM
=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: taxi pra
timothywillis@earthlink.net>=0AMike,=0APls send pix of wingwalkers in plain
brown envelope; also denote waywardness-- metric and stats.- Thx.=0ATim
in central TX=0ADo not archive=0A -=0A -=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Nav
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brake pedals OT Nonstandardization pre WWII |
Along with nonstandardization of brakes were several things we take for granted.
IE
Push with your right foot to go right, Push with the left to go left. Some planes
were rigged like a Bicycle, push with your right to go left (steer left to
go left) Etc
Push throttle to go fast Vs Pull throttle to go fast ( Pre WWII French I think)
Wing warping and using your hips to steer (Wright Brothers)
I sure like some standardization
Blue Skies
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Heel brake pedals
> I am going to bite on this one too. Jack makes a great point about
>
> wheel size. About this time in aviation history, there were quite
> a
> few different methods of actuating brakes before there was a
> standardization of sorts with heel brakes then toe brakes. I've
> been
> in a WACO where the brakes where actuated with the throttle lever.
>
> When you needed brake, with your left hand on the throttle, you
> actually pulled the throttle lever inward, toward the inside of
> the
> cockpit to actuate brakes. That was a little weird. There were
> many
> Johnson Bar variations as well. I have been in a Stinson Jr. with
> a
> Johnson Bar between the seats. One had to move hands all around to
>
> pull up on the bar. That one made me uncomfortable. I also saw
> Heath
> (I think) where the pilot wore leather gloves and just reached out
> to
> grab or rub the wheels for friction.
>
> I have gotten to really like heel brakes. Toe brakes on a
> taildragger,
> especially if the brakes are good, can easily put you on your
> nose.
> They can be pretty too easy to actuate. Heel brakes are out of the
>
> way, for the most part, but easy to use. I have expander tube
> brakes
> on the Cub which hold me for runup and for maneuvering. That is
> all I
> figure I need them for. With vortex generators my landing speed is
>
> supposedly 23 mph so I am stopped on my own in a couple hundred
> feet,
> even on pavement. Plus, a Cub comes with a built-in headwind. I
> was
> passed by a Pietenpol when leaving Brodhead last year. I like
> being
> able to keep my attention outside the cockpit on the ground with
> hand
> on throttle and stick.
>
> Mike P., good thread. I would suggest you get a couple of hours
> dual
> in a Cub so you get a feel for heel brakes and have some fun.
>
> "I knew she wasn't worth top billing."
>
> -john-
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
> Madison, WI 53718
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>
> On Feb 11, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Phillips, Jack wrote:
>
> > Did you ever notice historically that airplanes quit using big
> > spoked wheels at about the same time they started using brakes?
> It
> > takes A LOT of braking torque to stop a big wheel. Ive got 8
> > Cleveland hydraulic brakes on my Pietenpol, with 21 wheels.
> The
> > brakes are adequate to hold it for a run-up, but wont quite
> hold it
> > still at full power. If I get on the brakes HARD right after
> > touchdown, it still takes a couple hundred feet to stop the
> > airplane. I dont know that you would find much difference
> between
> > mechanical or hydraulic brakes. Ive flown Mike Cuys
> Pietenpol,
> > and he has 19 wheels with mechanical brakes, with about the
> same
> > effectiveness as mine. They are useful for a run-up and for
> taxiing
> > and turning tight corners. Really, they are perfectly adequate,
> but
> > nothing like you get with small wheels.
> >
> > Whatever you use, drum or disc, use the biggest drum or disc you
> can
> > find. Look at the size of the disc on a Harley. Ill bet those
>
> > discs are 12 in diameter, and they get excellent stopping power
> on
> > a vehicle that weighs about what a Pietenpol does (or less)
> >
> > Jack Phillips
> > NX899JP
> >
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> > ] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:58 AM
> > To: Pietenpol List
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Heel brake pedals
> >
> > Is my reasoning going soft, or will different types of brakes
> > work differently with spoked motorcycle-style wheels as
> > opposed to smaller wheels and tires? It would seem like a
> > mechanical drum brake would work well with motorcycle
> > style wheels.
> >
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > Air Camper NX41CC
> > San Antonio, TX
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| Subject: | Re: taxi practice available OT |
Last week when the boss asked me why I wasn't working I told him "because I didn't
see you coming!"
Old joke but still funny
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: taxi practice available
> Bosses can detect that guilty look, just by looking at the back of
> yourears.
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion
>
> Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
>
> (12 ribs down.)
>
> Do not archive
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
> STINEMETZE
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:38 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: taxi practice available
>
>
>
> Why does your e-mail always show up just as my boss walks up
> behind me?
>
>
>
> Tom S.
>
>
>
> >>> "Bill Church" < 2/11/2009 1:11 PM >>>
>
>
>
> Not sure why you want this, Tim, but here's a (really crappy) picture of a
> wingwalker in a plain brown envelope:
>
> <>
>
> Do not archive this either
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [
> <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
> mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:13 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: taxi practice available
>
> --> <
>
> Mike,
>
> Pls send pix of wingwalkers in plain brown envelope; also denote
> waywardness-- metric and stats. Thx.
>
> Tim in central TX
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Hand Brake Pictures |
This is how I mounted my motorcycle hand brakes up under the rear panel. In a
sharp taxi turn I can grab one of them to help swing the tail. In a run up I
can grab the left one with my middle finger and the right one with my thumb of
my right hand while my left hand does the throttle. I rarely use them for anything
other than that and taxiing around stuff on pavement because the tall high
pressure wheels do tend to roll. I have never used them for landing.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Hand Brake Pictures |
Here is a shot of the drum brakes...
Don E.
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| Subject: | Re: taxi practice available |
RE: Pietenpol-List: taxi practice availableTim should glue a couple of
mirrors to the upper corners
of his monitor.
Oh, Hi Tim. We were just talking about you. :-)
Clif
Be Yourself!
Everyone Else Is Taken
Not sure why you want this, Tim, but here's a (really crappy) picture
of a wingwalker in a plain brown envelope:
<<...>>
Do not archive this either
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| Subject: | Re: taxi practice available |
Used to?
Clif
Kind of like when we used to superglue flies to our tiny balsa
airplanes for motive power. (Whoops - sorry - that wasn't me.)
Tom S.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Heel brake pedals OT Nonstandardization pre WWII |
When I push with either foot on my bicycle, it goes forward.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Heel brake pedals OT Nonstandardization pre
WWII
--> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Along with nonstandardization of brakes were several things we take for
granted. IE
Push with your right foot to go right, Push with the left to go left. Some
planes were rigged like a Bicycle, push with your right to go left (steer
left to go left) Etc
Push throttle to go fast Vs Pull throttle to go fast ( Pre WWII French I
think)
Wing warping and using your hips to steer (Wright Brothers)
I sure like some standardization
Blue Skies
Steve D
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