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1. 05:25 AM - Re: pinked tapes (Gene Rambo)
2. 07:03 AM - Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount (Rick Holland)
3. 08:07 AM - Weight does matter but cosmentics of latex ? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
4. 08:22 AM - Re: Weight does matter but cosmentics of latex ? (amsafetyc@aol.com)
5. 08:38 AM - Re: Weight does matter but cosmentics of latex ? (Gary Boothe)
6. 08:47 AM - Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount (Gary Boothe)
7. 10:20 AM - Re: Weight does matter but cosmentics of latex ? (Michael Perez)
8. 10:37 AM - Re: Heel brake pedals (Rick Holland)
9. 11:02 AM - Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount (Rick Holland)
10. 11:48 AM - full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
11. 12:25 PM - Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger (H RULE)
12. 01:52 PM - Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger (walt)
13. 02:51 PM - Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger (Gene Rambo)
14. 03:05 PM - Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/Captain Sullenberger (Scott Knowlton)
15. 03:40 PM - Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount (Ryan Mueller)
16. 04:35 PM - Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger (Gene & Tammy)
17. 05:02 PM - Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger (walt)
18. 05:02 PM - Re: to fly or build? (walt)
19. 06:28 PM - Re: to fly or build? (shad bell)
20. 08:42 PM - Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount (Rick Holland)
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| Subject: | Re: pinked tapes |
It is not correct that pinked tape is "typically" biased tape.
Virtually all tape is pinked. The pinking keeps the edge from fraying.
In the very early times, such as WWI, tapes were often just frayed on
purpose for a few threads to keep them from unravelling further.
Straight edged tapes are the exception, mostly when synthetics came
about, and only because they were cheaper.
Biased tape is a whole different thing. Biased tape can make curves as
stated. Again, usually pinked but I suppose there may be straight edged
bias tape as well.
Gene
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| Subject: | Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount |
I went with the mount described in William Wynnes manual, he dedicates
around six pages one just building the mount.
Rick
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shad (or whomever may know),
>
> Did you guys go with the motor mount per the Pietenpol plans for your
> Corvair? I didn't think to make a note of that at Brodhead, and I can't tell
> definitively in any of my pics. Thanks,
>
> Ryan
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Weight does matter but cosmentics of latex ? |
Forgive the intrusion good people, (fans of TGWP will recognize that line)
but if I might interject a personal
opinion about latex finishes: they look like crap.
Please allow me to further express my sentiments that I am a staunch suppor
ter of those who use latex paint or any other
method to finish the fabric on their airplane or many simple reasons----if
you took the time to saw up wood, make metal fittings
from raw sheet and tube 4130 material, learned how to weld and rib stitch,
if you have burned your fingers on recently-ground
fittings, if you've had T-88 in places where you didn't even know you had p
laces, if you've coughed all night long from inhaling wood
dust particles from sanding, if you've had to decide to wait until next mon
th or next payday to buy turnbuckles because your kids
tuition was due or you had some dental bills to pay or you just took on a c
ar payment, if you've thought seriously about giving up
your project completely and just selling it on ebay, and if you've done all
these things to build your very own Pietenpol then I say
you can put whatever the heck you please on your airplane to finish the fab
ric. You can use whatever engine you want, Model A,
Corvair, Subaru, Continental, Evinrude, wood landing gear, steel gear, Cub
tires, motorcycle wheels, long fuselage, short fuselage,
nose fuel, wing fuel, both nose and wing fuel, wider center section, a cent
er section with a flop or a center section with a cutout,
a clipped wing Pietenpol, or even (and some will gasp at this one) build a
Grega GN-1 then you have every right to make every decision
about the options you chose for your airplane. When people come up to me
and say "well why didn't you......" my general response
is "well when YOU build your Pietenpol.....YOU can incorporate that into yo
ur airplane" but I chose to 'do it this way'.
Mike C. in Ohio
PS-- there are some latex finished airplanes out there that really don't lo
ok bad....Shad and Gary Bell's a very nice example of a latex-painted
Piet and I had to look twice up close before I realized it...so it can be d
one, it can save lots of money (which is very admirable if safety is not co
mpromised)
and it can look okay !
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| Subject: | Re: Weight does matter but cosmentics of latex ? |
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| Subject: | Weight does matter but cosmentics of latex ? |
Mike,
You certainly covered the gamut, although I notice you left out wood struts
and home-made turnbuckles.
I am not a tree-hugger. In fact, Lord knows the trees on my property shudder
when they see me emerge from my shed with my chainsaw and goalie mask! And I
actually spent the night in the hospital from breathing too many paint fumes
while working on my Aeronca Sedan. But the building industry, of which I am
a part, is becoming fully immersed in Green. Architects are commanded to
look for green solutions, and many manufacturers have responded. Just the
other night I attended a presentation by Benjamin Moore that focused on this
aspect. It was interesting to note that, not only are they solving the VOC
issues, but the paints they are now offering are a huge improvement,
performance-wise.
This is not an endorsement of BM, as I am sure all the major manufacturers
have comparable products, but among those improvements are: Greater
flexibility, and much greater UV resistance! Both highly desirable for us.
The low and zero VOC paints force the manufacturers to look at new solutions
to old problems, including how the pigments interact with resins in the
paint. Plus, most of these paints are considered 'high build'. That's 3
points for us.what's the down side?
In his opinion Mike noted so delicately that Latex ".looks like crap." I am
curious, from those on this List that know WAY more about paint than I, what
input you may have on the quality of low and zero VOC vs. common latex.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
(12 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Weight does matter but cosmentics of latex ?
Forgive the intrusion good people, (fans of TGWP will recognize that line)
but if I might interject a personal
opinion about latex finishes: they look like crap.
Please allow me to further express my sentiments that I am a staunch
supporter of those who use latex paint or any other
method to finish the fabric on their airplane or many simple reasons----if
you took the time to saw up wood, make metal fittings
from raw sheet and tube 4130 material, learned how to weld and rib stitch,
if you have burned your fingers on recently-ground
fittings, if you've had T-88 in places where you didn't even know you had
places, if you've coughed all night long from inhaling wood
dust particles from sanding, if you've had to decide to wait until next
month or next payday to buy turnbuckles because your kids
tuition was due or you had some dental bills to pay or you just took on a
car payment, if you've thought seriously about giving up
your project completely and just selling it on ebay, and if you've done all
these things to build your very own Pietenpol then I say
you can put whatever the heck you please on your airplane to finish the
fabric. You can use whatever engine you want, Model A,
Corvair, Subaru, Continental, Evinrude, wood landing gear, steel gear, Cub
tires, motorcycle wheels, long fuselage, short fuselage,
nose fuel, wing fuel, both nose and wing fuel, wider center section, a
center section with a flop or a center section with a cutout,
a clipped wing Pietenpol, or even (and some will gasp at this one) build a
Grega GN-1 then you have every right to make every decision
about the options you chose for your airplane. When people come up to me
and say "well why didn't you......" my general response
is "well when YOU build your Pietenpol.....YOU can incorporate that into
your airplane" but I chose to 'do it this way'.
Mike C. in Ohio
PS-- there are some latex finished airplanes out there that really don't
look bad....Shad and Gary Bell's a very nice example of a latex-painted
Piet and I had to look twice up close before I realized it...so it can be
done, it can save lots of money (which is very admirable if safety is not
compromised)
and it can look okay !
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| Subject: | Gary & Shad's motor mount |
Good looking mount, Rick. I especially like your see-thru firewall! You
never know when you might need to look in there and see if everything's
still in good order.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
(12 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gary & Shad's motor mount
I went with the mount described in William Wynnes manual, he dedicates
around six pages one just building the mount.
Rick
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
Shad (or whomever may know),
Did you guys go with the motor mount per the Pietenpol plans for your
Corvair? I didn't think to make a note of that at Brodhead, and I can't tell
definitively in any of my pics. Thanks,
Ryan
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Weight does matter but cosmentics of latex ? |
Well, well, well, I can't comment on the latex paint stuff, yet; (although
my father in law is a retired chemist from Glidden that holds many patents
on-his latex works and he will be consulted when I get ready to paint.)
- I can say that for the rest of Cuy's post...That's right! It's your pla
ne, build how you want and don't let the nay-sayers get in the way.
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Forgive the intrusion good people,-(fans of TGWP will recognize that line
) but if I might interject a personal
opinion about latex finishes: they look like crap.-
-
Please allow me to further express my sentiments-that I am a staunch supp
orter of those who use latex paint or any other
method to finish the fabric on their airplane or many simple reasons----if
you took the time to saw up wood, make metal fittings
from raw sheet and tube 4130 material,-learned how to weld and rib stitch
, -if you have-burned your fingers on recently-ground
fittings, if you've had T-88 in places where you didn't even know you had p
laces,-if you've coughed all night long from inhaling wood
dust particles from-sanding, if you've had to decide to wait until next m
onth or next payday to buy turnbuckles because your kids
tuition was due or you had some dental bills to-pay or you just took on a
car payment, if you've thought seriously about giving up
your project completely and just selling it on ebay, and if you've done all
these things to build-your very own Pietenpol then I say
you can put whatever the heck you please on your airplane to finish the fab
ric.--- You can use whatever engine you want, Model A,-
Corvair, Subaru, Continental, Evinrude, wood landing gear, steel gear, Cub
tires, motorcycle wheels, long fuselage, short fuselage,
nose fuel, wing fuel, both nose and wing fuel, wider center-section, a ce
nter section with a flop or a center section with a cutout,
a clipped wing Pietenpol, or even (and some will gasp at this one) build a
Grega GN-1 then you have every right to make every decision
about the options you chose for your airplane.-- When people come up to
me and say "well why didn't you......" my general response
is "well when YOU build your Pietenpol.....YOU can incorporate that into yo
ur airplane" but I chose to 'do it this way'.---
-
-
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brake pedals |
Ditto
Rick
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Lagowski Morrow <jimdeb@charter.net> wrote:
> I also used the Bill Rewey toe brake approach. --Jim Lagowski
>
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> *To:* Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 09, 2009 11:07 PM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Heel brake pedals
>
> Air Camper NX41CC has toe brakes exactly like the Bill Rewey
> detail and like several others have shown. I really like them.
> I used to think that I'd like heel brakes better since that's what
> I cut my teeth on in my J-3 Cub training days, but the rudder bar
> on the Piet makes it not so easy to deal with heel brakes. The
> "Bill Rewey" toe brake setup is simple, effective, and it puts the
> brake masters where they are quite easy to inspect and service.
>
> My other project, the M-19 Flying Squirrel, uses Azusa mechanical
> drum brakes and even though I have not flown them yet, I've heard
> (and seen for myself) that the drums are quite thin and easy to get
> out of round with heavy brake application. I had mine trued up on
> a lathe but even so, they are quite lightweight and prone to distortion.
> I'd go with Tracy O'Brien modified Azusas (www.TracyObrien.com) on
> something the size of a Piet. They are used on KRs and work fine.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c*
>
> ------------------------------
> - Release Date: 01/30/09 17:31:00
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount |
Thanks Gary, you are referring to my "two-piece temporary firewall". Maybe
a
dumb idea but I figured it would make it easier to figure out all my
fuel/electrical/control cable optimum locations and test run the engine and
maybe move things around again, etc. Of course I have to remove the engine
and mount to install the real firewall but I have to do that anyhow before
covering the fuselage.
Rick
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Good looking mount, Rick. I especially like your see-thru firewall! You
> never know when you might need to look in there and see if everything's
> still in good order.
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion
>
> Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
>
> (12 ribs down=85)
>
> Do not archive
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:58 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Gary & Shad's motor mount
>
>
> I went with the mount described in William Wynnes manual, he dedicates
> around six pages one just building the mount.
>
> Rick
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Shad (or whomever may know),
>
> Did you guys go with the motor mount per the Pietenpol plans for your
> Corvair? I didn't think to make a note of that at Brodhead, and I can't t
ell
> definitively in any of my pics. Thanks,
>
> Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger |
Awsome guy,awsome landing;he was probably the best man for the job having b
een a trainer himself.He knew the sequence automatically,that's what traini
ng does for you.It has to be automatic because there is no time to think. H
aving been in three different sequences myself of having to do an emergency
landing and not being far from the ground.You have to look fast and think
unbelievably fast and you can't panic or it will kill you.=0A=0A=0Ado not a
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Sullenberger
I've thought of this event since the day that it happened.
I came accross the George Washington Bridge about an hour before they
ditched in the Hudson.
We were in Rockville Centre , Long Island.
I guess we all fantisized about being the pilot on that.
I only learned of the "ditch button" upon reading the news.
The switch that closes all outside openings to make the plane float
longer. (but they said he didn't use it)
My big question was ,,,they said that the rear cabin doors were kept
closed, cause the rear of the plane was sitting low in the water.
How did he keep them closed?
Did he tell the attendents to not allow them to open?
Were they screaming orders?
Is there a switch to not allow the rear doors to be opened?
I imagine that if the rear cabin doors were/could be opened,,,the plane
would have sank quite rapidly.
What I got from the 60 Minutes interview is that he did all he could do
right,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,(and by the look on his face) the rest was just
good luck.
So many pilots do the right things and the plane cartwheels and breaks
apart
And after all that,, 50 some odd people die in a crash due to icing.
What a shame.
do not archive
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/
Captain Sullenberger
Of possible interest:
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain |
Sullenberger
The flight attendants kept the passengers from opening the doors, not on
direction from the front, but their own knowledge and training. There
is no switch to prevent it. The only real difference between his
landing and a normal landing, technique-wise, was to close the "ditch
switch," which he did not do.
Gene
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Sullenberger
Good observations Walt. I think every crew member aboard that flight should be
credited with keeping their senses about them and carrying out their ditching
drills to perfection. I fly in and out of Laguardia as a Captain of an Embraer
190. In fact we were the second arrival into Laguardia after his ditching
that day. I have played over Capt Sullenberger and his crew's flawless performance
many times in my mind. Control of the cabin doors is out of the flight crews
hands and the aircraft commander can only have faith that he/she is blessed
with a well trained clearheaded crew in the event of a ditching or aircraft
evacuation.
As far as our fellow airmen in buffalo, I am sure their actions were as valiant
and heroic despite their tragic outcome.
Scott Knowlton
-----Original Message-----
From: walt <waltdak@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/
Captain Sullenberger
I've thought of this event since the day that it happened.
I came accross the George Washington Bridge about an hour before they ditched in
the Hudson.
We were in Rockville Centre , Long Island.
I guess we all fantisized about being the pilot on that.
I only learned of the "ditch button" upon reading the news.
The switch that closes all outside openings to make the plane float longer. (but
they said he didn't use it)
My big question was ,,,they said that the rear cabin doors were kept closed, cause
the rear of the plane was sitting low in the water.
How did he keep them closed?
Did he tell the attendents to not allow them to open?
Were theyscreaming orders?
Is there a switch to not allow the rear doors to be opened?
I imagine that if the rear cabin doors were/could be opened,,,the plane would have
sank quite rapidly.
What I got from the 60 Minutes interview is that he did all he could do right,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,(and
by the look on his face) the rest was just good luck.
So many pilots do the right things and the plane cartwheels and breaks apart
And after all that,, 50 some odd people die in a crash due to icing.
What a shame.
do not archive
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] <mailto:Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger
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| Subject: | Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount |
Thanks Rick. I guess I must have missed that section, or forgot it was
there. I went back through and found what you were referring to, and reread
it. Could you descibe roughly the process you used to mock yours up?
Ryan
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
> I went with the mount described in William Wynnes manual, he dedicates
> around six pages one just building the mount.
>
> Rick
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger |
OR , you can just fly the plane, fly the plane, fly the plane. If
there had been a crowded ferry on the river the FAA would have listed
the crash as Pilot Error and the pilot wouldn't have been a hero. Life
isn't always fair.
Just my two cents worth
Gene in Windy Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: H RULE
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/
Captain Sullenberger
Awsome guy,awsome landing;he was probably the best man for the job
having been a trainer himself.He knew the sequence automatically,that's
what training does for you.It has to be automatic because there is no
time to think. Having been in three different sequences myself of having
to do an emergency landing and not being far from the ground.You have to
look fast and think unbelievably fast and you can't panic or it will
kill you.
do not archive
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov>
To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:46:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/
Captain Sullenberger
Of possible interest:
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Sullenberger
So true.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene & Tammy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/
Captain Sullenberger
OR , you can just fly the plane, fly the plane, fly the plane. If
there had been a crowded ferry on the river the FAA would have listed
the crash as Pilot Error and the pilot wouldn't have been a hero. Life
isn't always fair.
Just my two cents worth
Gene in Windy Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: H RULE
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview
w/ Captain Sullenberger
Awsome guy,awsome landing;he was probably the best man for the job
having been a trainer himself.He knew the sequence automatically,that's
what training does for you.It has to be automatic because there is no
time to think. Having been in three different sequences myself of having
to do an emergency landing and not being far from the ground.You have to
look fast and think unbelievably fast and you can't panic or it will
kill you.
do not archive
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov>
To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:46:10 PM
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Captain Sullenberger
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| Subject: | Re: to fly or build? |
Scott,
Where are you building? In NJ?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Knowlton
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:39 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: to fly or build?
Tom,
I suppose all of us share your dilemna of trying to justify the time
and expense that we devote to our passion for flying. If I can add my
two cents here, I am a professional pilot who was in your position with
a fresh IFR ticket and plans to build a Piet over 12 years ago (with a
two year old son in toe). My instrument rating was to be my meal ticket
so there was no question of whether that was going to lapse or not.
This being the case, some of my ambitious plans had to be temporarily
shelved in favour of my work and family obligations. Life went on, I
moved ahead in my flying career but the Piet consisted of a mailing tube
with a couple of dusty manuals in my workshop. Beaming ahead, my son
(having grown to nine years old) and I drove to and camped at Brodhead.
With a little more time on my hands and a little better disposable
income, I felt I could "unshelve" my Piet plans and start the building
process. The tradition of Brodhead continued for the past five years
and for my boy and I it is truly a father and son bonding experience.
We listen to William Wynn's inspiring, "Get in the Arena" presentations,
go for an annual ride in a Piet with Chuck G, take lots of pictures and
stay up late by the fire listening to different builders and flyers of
my favorite little airplane. As far as building goes, we have made a
rib jig and about 14 cool looking ribs. I don't have much to show for
my 12 years of effort but that's OK. We all have this burden called
life that we have to contend with and it takes a certain amount of drive
out of our passion. I suppose I divide things into two categories;
things I need to do and things I'd like to do. I need to go to work,
pay my bills, watch my boy's football games, take my bride on holidays
and save for my retirement. The Piet falls into the like to do category
that tends to slide forward anytime a need to do gets in the way.
Nevertheless, I think I will fly my bird to Brodhead one day (or maybe
share the trip trading places with my son in the chase car...) but it
would only be a frustration to put a date or year on when the event will
transpire. In the meantime, my project is something that I attend to
when I want to relax or spend some quality time with my boy. Most
things that we do have a timeline attached to them and these deadlines
are the stress inducers in life. I don't want my piet project to be
lumped into that category.
Aviation is an expesnsive hobby and one which should be approached
with a focus if someone has to budget time and money (which most of us
do). Your IFR ticket, unless you use it very frequently will probably
become a burden if you chose to keep it current. It will take you away
from your family and the return (the ability to fly in less than VFR
weather conditions) probably won't be worth the investment. Your
pietenpol, however, is a project of so many different aspects that it
could very easily reflect the different phases of your life (slow
progress while your family is young - perhaps a late hour or two in the
shop after the youngsters are asleep) with an increase in activity as
your family grows seeing you spend time with your kids in the shop. No
chore of building here, just relaxation and enjoyment as the parts and
pieces of your airplane are slowly manufactured.
In sum, I think your project would be much easier to dust off and get
back into than a rating which really isn't necessary to be proficient at
unless you have a huge need to go somewhere anytime in any weather ("any
wheather" should be taken loosely unless you fly a bird equipped for
known ice, have a good weather radar, oxygen or pressurization......).
Basic VFR flying skills are something you will always have and dusting
those off would consist of a fun five our checkout in a champ or cub in
preparation for the maiden flight of your piet!
Just my thoughts on your situation.
Scott Knowlton
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From: tmbrant@msn.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: to fly or build?
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:55:30 -0600
I know, it's been a topic here before, but I wanted to share a dilemma
I'm facing currently and get others opinions. First off, I'm a private,
instrument rated pilot with about 350 hours. In recent years, I've
really had to cut my flying back to probably less than 20 hours/year,
mostly due to finances. I'm beginning to question whether this is
enough to stay safe, especially in the IFR environment. I don't have a
lot of cloud time, in fact it was only a year ago that I got the IFR
rating. Trouble is, I don't really go anywhere - how can I when I only
fly an hour or so a month?
For similar reasons (finance and time) I've let my Pietenpol project
sit for about 2-3 years without touching it. I've got the fuselage
about 2/3 complete, wing ribs done, tail section is 90% complete and
I've gathered most of the components for the corvair engine conversion.
I really want to work on it, but I can't really afford to do much each
month with regards to finances and mostly lack of time (I have a 2 year
old).
I'm considering stopping flying altogether so that the money I am
investing in flying is being invested into my Pietenpol. My fear is,
that if I do stop flying, that I may never get back into it, and if I
do, I would never feel confortable flying IFR again with such a "break".
My 2 year old is real smart but very impatient, so I'm not sure if he's
ready to start hanging around in the shop with me, unless I'm doing real
basic stuff. Not that I'm afraid to run saw around him, just that he'd
pick up two newly glued pieces of wood, right out of a jig and run
around with it like a toy - oh to be young...
The best rough guess I have to finish my Piet is about $5000-$7000,
which would take a few years (at the rate I've been flying) to come up
with. At this rate, I probably spend about $2500/year on flying.
Other than the obvious motivations for completing the Piet is some of
my families health. I really want to complete it and have them see if
fly before they "go" and they want that too. Obviously, we never know
if we'll see tomorrow so it may be a worthless goal to chase after but
it is what it is.
Anyway, thanks for listening to me rant. I would appreciate any
opinions / recommendations of people who've faced similar situations.
Tom B.
ww.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: to fly or build? |
Build when you have time to build.- Money is not too big of a problem wit
h a piet.(all at once any ways)- $100-$200 of raw materials will take a w
hile to use up on some early stages of building, ribs tail etc.- I know a
n-IFR rating sounds fun and exciting, but unless it makes, or saves you m
oney on travel it is very seldom worth the time and money to keep current.
- Don't get me wrong, it can save you butt in a tight situation,-but-
when Pilots have to use thier supperior skills to keep them selves or the
airplane intact, chances are they made an inferrior-judgement call before
they got into that situation.- If IFR is your passion follow it, if buil
ding is, follow it.- I know how kids can slow progress as well.- I just
had my 1st 2 months ago and finding time to work out in the hanger is hard
to come by, but I try to make the best of the time available.- I go out
to the shop the night before for 5-10 min and plan out ahead of time what t
o do
with my next shop time.- Think about it that night, do it all in your he
ad then go out and do it for real, 1 little project at a time.- Try not t
o look at the whole airplane as the project, but rather that rib you have t
o build, or some gussets you need to cut out, or a few pieces of steel that
need dressed out.- One by one they add up and one day all the sudden it'
s an airplane.- And for your thought of wanting your aging or sick family
member to be able to see it fly, I can relate.- My grand father(now in h
is 80's)-started a Cassutt back in the 70's and I have it now,- I would
love for him to be able to see it fly, but it all comes in due time.- Ju
st remember that you are building because you want to, not because they wan
t you to.- They would surely not want you to rush, and possibly do some t
hing that could hurt you or kill you.- Bassically, You have to make up yo
ur mind as to what path to follow.- Building a Piet is surely a reachable
goal, even on a low buddget.- It will take many years and many hours to
do it but for most homebuilders, it's as much about the journy of building
as it is about getting to the flying of your creation.- (But flying it IS
THE ICING ON THE CAKE!).-
-
Shad
-
P.S.- A piet is I.F.R.R.R.........I follow roads, rivers, and railroads
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| Subject: | Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount |
Hello Ryan
I first built and welded the tray and spools on a flat surface, then you
just need a jig to hold the tray where you want it in front of the firewall.
This is where that big ash firewall cross member (that you thought was of no
use unless you are using a Model A engine) came in handy. Just clamped a 1x4
to it (with the fuselage upside down) and clamped the tray to the 1x4 where
I needed the engine to be to make CG, then cut and welded the rest of the
tubing (see attached pics).
Good luck
Rick
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Rick. I guess I must have missed that section, or forgot it was
> there. I went back through and found what you were referring to, and reread
> it. Could you descibe roughly the process you used to mock yours up?
>
> Ryan
>
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I went with the mount described in William Wynnes manual, he dedicates
>> around six pages one just building the mount.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
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>
>
> *
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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