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Sun 02/15/09


Total Messages Posted: 14



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     1. 05:23 AM - Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount (Ryan Mueller)
     2. 06:08 AM - Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger (H RULE)
     3. 06:09 AM - Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger (H RULE)
     4. 06:17 AM - Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount (Ben Charvet)
     5. 06:54 AM - Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger (walt)
     6. 08:59 AM - Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger (Gene & Tammy)
     7. 09:27 AM - Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger (walt)
     8. 04:22 PM - Re: pinked tapes (jimd)
     9. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: pinked tapes (Gene & Tammy)
    10. 06:47 PM - to fly or build? (Oscar Zuniga)
    11. 07:03 PM - Weight does matter but cosmentics of latex? (Oscar Zuniga)
    12. 07:43 PM - Re: Weight does matter but cosmentics of latex? (BScott116@aol.com)
    13. 07:53 PM - Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger ()
    14. 08:03 PM - Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount (Rick Holland)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:23:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    Thanks for the info and the additional pics, Rick. By using the 1x4 clamped to the underside of the ash crossmember, did you arrive at the 0 degrees downthrust and thrust line level with the upper longerons, as WW did with his second Piet mount? It appears to be roughly that way from what I can tell in the first set of pics, but the angle of the photo makes it difficult to make out the thrust line for sure. Here's another slew of questions: Did you use the 3/4" .049 tubing as called out in the conversion manual? Did you use gas or TIG to weld it? Also, did you finish weld the mount in place on the fuselage, or did you tack it and finish it off the fuselage? In either case, did you take any steps to avoid warpage/deformation (beyond what is shown in the pics), or did you even find that to be an issue? Thank you for the taking the time to field all my questions. Have a good day, Ryan On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote > Hello Ryan > > I first built and welded the tray and spools on a flat surface, then you > just need a jig to hold the tray where you want it in front of the firewall. > This is where that big ash firewall cross member (that you thought was of no > use unless you are using a Model A engine) came in handy. Just clamped a 1x4 > to it (with the fuselage upside down) and clamped the tray to the 1x4 where > I needed the engine to be to make CG, then cut and welded the rest of the > tubing (see attached pics). > > Good luck > > Rick > > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Thanks Rick. I guess I must have missed that section, or forgot it was >> there. I went back through and found what you were referring to, and reread >> it. Could you descibe roughly the process you used to mock yours up? >> >> Ryan >> >> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I went with the mount described in William Wynnes manual, he dedicates >>> around six pages one just building the mount. >>> >>> Rick >>> >>>


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    Time: 06:08:22 AM PST US
    From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
    Subject: Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger
    In the video he mentioned they are trained to fly towards boats in order to aid in the rescue so he would have flown close to that ferry.=0A=0A=0Ado n ot archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Gene & Ta mmy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASe nt: Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:34:19 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: f ull interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger=0A=0A=0AOR-, you can just fly the plane, fly the plane, fly the plane. - If there had been a crowded ferry on the river the FAA would have listed the crash as P ilot Error and the pilot wouldn't have been a hero.- Life isn't always fa ir.=0AJust my two cents worth=0AGene in Windy Tennessee=0A-=0A----- Origi nal Message ----- =0AFrom: H RULE =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASe nt: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:24 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger=0A=0AAwsome guy,a wsome landing;he was probably the best man for the job having been a traine r himself.He knew the sequence automatically,that's what training does for you.It has to be automatic because there is no time to think. Having been i n three different sequences myself of having to do an emergency landing and not being far from the ground.You have to look fast and think unbelievably fast and you can't panic or it will kill you.=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD 0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pi etenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:46:10 PM =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captai n Sullenberger=0A=0A=0A=0AOf possible interest: =0A-=0Ado not archive =0A -=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e88PN6V64gk=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=0Ahref='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-L ist"'>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0Ahref='3D"h ttp://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com=0A3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0Ahref='3D" http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.com/contributi on=0A3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A2/11/2009 12:00 AM=0A=0A -======================== ==================


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    Time: 06:09:34 AM PST US
    From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
    Subject: Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain
    Sullenberger Part of what kept him af;oat was the gas in the tanks.It's lighter than wat er.=0A=0A=0Ado not archive.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0AFrom: walt <waltdak@verizon.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASe nt: Saturday, February 14, 2009 4:47:48 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: f ull interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger=0A=0A=0AI've t hought of this event since the day that it happened.=0AI came accross the G eorge Washington Bridge about an hour before they ditched in the Hudson.=0A We were in Rockville Centre , Long Island.=0AI guess we all fantisized abou t being the pilot on that.=0AI only learned of the "ditch button" upon read ing the news.=0AThe switch that closes all outside openings to make the pla ne float longer. (but they said he didn't use it)=0A-=0AMy big question w as ,,,they said that the rear cabin doors were kept closed, cause the rear of the plane was sitting low in the water.=0AHow did he keep them closed? =0ADid he tell the attendents to not allow them to open?=0AWere they-scre aming orders?=0AIs there a switch to not allow the rear doors to be opened? =0AI imagine that if the rear cabin doors were/could be opened,,,the plane would have sank quite rapidly.=0A-=0AWhat I got from the 60 Minutes inter view is that he did all he could do right,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,(and by the loo k on his face) the rest was just good luck.=0ASo many pilots do the right t hings and the plane cartwheels and breaks apart=0A-=0AAnd after all that, , 50 some odd people die in a crash due to icing.=0AWhat a shame.=0A-=0Ad o not archive=0A-=0A=0Awalt evans=0ANX140DL=0A=0A-=0A----- Original Mes sage ----- =0AFrom: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] =0ATo: pietenpol-list@ matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:46 PM=0ASubject: Piete npol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger=0A =0A=0AOf possible interest: =0A-=0Ado not archive =0A-=0Ahttp://www.you tube.com/watch?v=e88PN6V64gk=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A=0A=0Ahref="http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator ?Pietenpol-List=0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matron ics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matroni =======================


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    Time: 06:17:47 AM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount
    Nice welds, Rick. I built a Corvair mount to the Pietenpol plans, then decided to use a Continental powerplant. William Wynn recommends stress testing your mount and here are some pictures of the tool I made to test mine. (I still have the old mount up in the attic. Who knows, maybe I'll decide to go Corvair later). I welded mine on the airplane, but don't think I'd recommend it. When I made my Continental mount I made a jig that duplicated the firewall bracket locations. I made the jig out of scrap lumber, and set it on fire a few times before I had the whole thing tacked together. http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReportDetail.cfm?BuildLogID=1322&PlaneID=481 \ Ben Charvet Rick Holland wrote: > Hello Ryan > > I first built and welded the tray and spools on a flat surface, then > you just need a jig to hold the tray where you want it in front of the > firewall. This is where that big ash firewall cross member (that you > thought was of no use unless you are using a Model A engine) came in > handy. Just clamped a 1x4 to it (with the fuselage upside down) and > clamped the tray to the 1x4 where I needed the engine to be to make > CG, then cut and welded the rest of the tubing (see attached pics). > > Good luck > > Rick > > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com > <mailto:rmueller23@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Thanks Rick. I guess I must have missed that section, or forgot it > was there. I went back through and found what you were referring > to, and reread it. Could you descibe roughly the process you used > to mock yours up? > > Ryan > > > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com > <mailto:at7000ft@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I went with the mount described in William Wynnes manual, he > dedicates around six pages one just building the mount. > > Rick > > > * > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution * > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >


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    Time: 06:54:51 AM PST US
    From: "walt" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain
    Sullenberger The river is quite wide where he put it. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:34 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger OR , you can just fly the plane, fly the plane, fly the plane. If there had been a crowded ferry on the river the FAA would have listed the crash as Pilot Error and the pilot wouldn't have been a hero. Life isn't always fair. Just my two cents worth Gene in Windy Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: H RULE To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger Awsome guy,awsome landing;he was probably the best man for the job having been a trainer himself.He knew the sequence automatically,that's what training does for you.It has to be automatic because there is no time to think. Having been in three different sequences myself of having to do an emergency landing and not being far from the ground.You have to look fast and think unbelievably fast and you can't panic or it will kill you. do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov> To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:46:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger Of possible interest: do not archive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e88PN6V64gk 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"'>http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.c om/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 2/11/2009 12:00 AM


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    Time: 08:59:41 AM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
    Subject: Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger
    If there had been room he would have been pretty stupid not to. Training or no training, common sense is pretty important. Wonder what he would have done if the brid strike would have happened sooner at a lower alititude or if he had taken off on a different runway and was further from the river. He did a great job. Just what he was getting paid for. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: H RULE To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:05 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger In the video he mentioned they are trained to fly towards boats in order to aid in the rescue so he would have flown close to that ferry. do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:34:19 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger OR , you can just fly the plane, fly the plane, fly the plane. If there had been a crowded ferry on the river the FAA would have listed the crash as Pilot Error and the pilot wouldn't have been a hero. Life isn't always fair. Just my two cents worth Gene in Windy Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: H RULE To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger Awsome guy,awsome landing;he was probably the best man for the job having been a trainer himself.He knew the sequence automatically,that's what training does for you.It has to be automatic because there is no time to think. Having been in three different sequences myself of having to do an emergency landing and not being far from the ground.You have to look fast and think unbelievably fast and you can't panic or it will kill you. do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov> To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:46:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger Of possible interest: do not archive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e88PN6V64gk 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"'>http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.c om/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 2/11/2009 12:00 AM 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 12:00 AM


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    Time: 09:27:17 AM PST US
    From: "walt" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain
    Sullenberger If you look at NYC from the air, seems like there's more water than land. East river, Harlem river, Jamaica Bay, etc. He did a great job. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:57 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger If there had been room he would have been pretty stupid not to. Training or no training, common sense is pretty important. Wonder what he would have done if the brid strike would have happened sooner at a lower alititude or if he had taken off on a different runway and was further from the river. He did a great job. Just what he was getting paid for. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: H RULE To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:05 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger In the video he mentioned they are trained to fly towards boats in order to aid in the rescue so he would have flown close to that ferry. do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:34:19 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger OR , you can just fly the plane, fly the plane, fly the plane. If there had been a crowded ferry on the river the FAA would have listed the crash as Pilot Error and the pilot wouldn't have been a hero. Life isn't always fair. Just my two cents worth Gene in Windy Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: H RULE To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger Awsome guy,awsome landing;he was probably the best man for the job having been a trainer himself.He knew the sequence automatically,that's what training does for you.It has to be automatic because there is no time to think. Having been in three different sequences myself of having to do an emergency landing and not being far from the ground.You have to look fast and think unbelievably fast and you can't panic or it will kill you. do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov> To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:46:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger Of possible interest: do not archive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e88PN6V64gk 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"'>http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.c om/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - 2/11/2009 12:00 AM 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"'>http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.c om/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 2/11/2009 12:00 AM


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    Time: 04:22:05 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: pinked tapes
    From: "jimd" <jlducey@hotmail.com>
    I have pinking shears and even a pair of perfect pinker rotary pinking shears. You know how ransom notes look vs. Desktop publishing, well, I want my strips even, so like most of you I bought pinked fabric tape in a roll, and thought it was pricey. You can get fabric for four something a yard, but the tape was a lot more. Wasn't referring to bias tape, you can use heat to make regular tape work on rounded surfaces. Mike Cuy mentioned latex aesthetics and has a point, but I am still experimenting. If it turns out well it will end up on my wings if not I will use the latex primer as the base for Stewart Systems polyurethane as that looks as good as Stits.. Don,t want an ugly plane but I want some gas money when I get done. Jim d Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230422#230422


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    Time: 05:32:43 PM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
    Subject: Re: pinked tapes
    "Ugly" is in the eye of the beholder. Go to the flybaby site and you will see some great looking latex paint jobs. When looking at other airplanes I really try to keep in mind what my best friend said when I told him I had bought a Pietenpol. "Gene, why the hell did you do that? The Pietenpol is the Ugliest airplane ever designed. I can't imagine anyone wanting one of those." I love my Pietenpol and I think it's one of the prettiest airplane I have ever seen. It's all in the eye of the beholder. Do it your way and you will not only have a pretty airplane that you'll love but you'll also still have money for gas. Gene N502R ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimd" <jlducey@hotmail.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: pinked tapes > > I have pinking shears and even a pair of perfect pinker rotary pinking > shears. You know how ransom notes look vs. Desktop publishing, well, I > want my strips even, so like most of you I bought pinked fabric tape in a > roll, and thought it was pricey. You can get fabric for four something a > yard, but the tape was a lot more. > > Wasn't referring to bias tape, you can use heat to make regular tape work > on rounded surfaces. > > Mike Cuy mentioned latex aesthetics and has a point, but I am still > experimenting. If it turns out well it will end up on my wings if not I > will use the latex primer as the base for Stewart Systems polyurethane as > that looks as good as Stits.. > > Don,t want an ugly plane but I want some gas money when I get done. > > Jim d > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230422#230422 > > > -- > Checked by AVG. > 2/13/2009 6:29 PM > >


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    Time: 06:47:48 PM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: to fly or build?
    Tom=3B I have been an instrument student for almost as long as I've been a pilot... over 30 years. I've taken=2C and passed with an 85 the first time and a 90 the next=2C the instrument written. I have hood time and actual time=2C not a lot but in singles and in twins=2C and I love instrument flying and procedures. However=2C I will never get my instrument ticket and I'll be perfectly happy not to because I'd never be able to stay current. Both literally (by the book) and mentally (proficiency). However=2C I have learned more about actual flying of aircraft from my Pietenpol than I ever have in 30 years of instrument instruction=2C reading=2C flying=2C testing=2C or any of the rest of it. When it comes crunch time=2C like in a ditch situation=2C I'll take Piet flying skills over instrument skills any day. And I can fly the Piet for an hour for less than $20. There is no instrument capable aircraft in my vicinity that I could rent for an hour for less than 3 or 4 times that=2C and I'd also need an in$tructor. By the way=2C flying is like riding a bike. Once you learn=2C you'll never forget. You can get your basic skills back in a few hours of dual time=2C maybe less. So raise your 2-year-old. I raised five of them and got them all past middle school before I started building an airplane and I didn't get into my Piet until our youngest was already in college. The Piet is 80 years old this year=3B it will be just as good in 10 years when you're ready to get back to building =3Bo) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 07:03:27 PM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Weight does matter but cosmentics of latex?
    Mikee- Since you are the builder of an award-winning Piet with a gorgeous paint job=2C I accept your comments as extremely valuable. But if I may=2C I'd like to offer my observations on the latex paint that I just applied side-by-side with Poly-Tone. 1. Flexibility is NOT an issue! Fabric finished with latex is almost TOO limp compared to conventional solvent-based finishes. I would be very=2C very surprised if latex paint ever cracked on a fabric airplane=2C even directly in the drumming of a propwash area. 2. When applied in full=2C thick coats latex seems quite prone to runs. Especially when applied using flow-out agents=2C I would be very surprised if a decent paint job could be laid down on anything but a perfectly horizontal surface. BUT- I am NOT a painter! I just know that the paint needs to go down pretty heavily to block UV=2C and that makes it susceptible to runs because it doesn't dry particularly fast=2C compared with Poly-Tone. 3. Standard Poly-Tone=2C when dry=2C appears to be closer to a flat paint finish than a satin or semi-gloss. I don't know if you or others have added other finishes over the standard color coat to give it gloss or sheen=2C but the Poly-Tone I've used is smooth but certainly not shiny. In that respect it makes a fabric airplane look like a fabric airplane=2C but not a shiny one. Latex=2C on the other hand=2C gives a very smooth and satiny finish and there is no sign of the weave. 4. I can't say anything about the crispness of masked edges with either finish since I haven't done that yet=2C but perhaps this is one area that you have a beef with? What parts of latex paint jobs that you've seen made you think they looked lousy? I'm not defending either side here=2C just trying to learn. And you'll note from pictures of me that my ears are always fully extended in listening mode =3Bo) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 07:43:57 PM PST US
    From: BScott116@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Weight does matter but cosmentics of latex?
    Just a few notes on poly finishes. I just completed wings and fuselage of my ultralite---all in the poly system. If you put on enough poly brush as recommended in the manual you will not see the weave in the fabric. As I progressed in the learning curve, I applied more vinyl in the poly brush coats for a smoother appearance.. I started with tail surfaces and did wings next then fuselage. My fuselage is the smoothest. The tail surfaces show the most weave. Just a matter of learning how to spray "wet" and avoid runs. I don't know why y'all are trying to save money with non aero finishes. Seems more risky and waste of time to avoid aero systems that really work. Just my opinion as a first time builder. have at it! In a message dated 2/15/2009 9:03:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: Mikee- Since you are the builder of an award-winning Piet with a gorgeous paint job, I accept your comments as extremely valuable. But if I may, I'd like to offer my observations on the latex paint that I just applied side-by-side with Poly-Tone. 1. Flexibility is NOT an issue! Fabric finished with latex is almost TOO limp compared to conventional solvent-based finishes. I would be very, very surprised if latex paint ever cracked on a fabric airplane, even directly in the drumming of a propwash area. 2. When applied in full, thick coats latex seems quite prone to runs. Especially when applied using flow-out agents, I would be very surprised if a decent paint job could be laid down on anything but a perfectly horizontal surface. BUT- I am NOT a painter! I just know that the paint needs to go down pretty heavily to block UV, and that makes it susceptible to runs because it doesn't dry particularly fast, compared with Poly-Tone. 3. Standard Poly-Tone, when dry, appears to be closer to a flat paint finish than a satin or semi-gloss. I don't know if you or others have added other finishes over the standard color coat to give it gloss or sheen, but the Poly-Tone I've used is smooth but certainly not shiny. In that respect it makes a fabric airplane look like a fabric airplane, but not a shiny one. Latex, on the other hand, gives a very smooth and satiny finish and there is no sign of the weave. 4. I can't say anything about the crispness of masked edges with either finish since I haven't done that yet, but perhaps this is one area that you have a beef with? What parts of latex paint jobs that you've seen made you think they looked lousy? I'm not defending either side here, just trying to learn. And you'll note from pictures of me that my ears are always fully extended in listening mode ;o) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! bemailfooterNO62)


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    Time: 07:53:52 PM PST US
    From: <billmz@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger
    I wonder how many milk jugs it took to keep Captain Sully's A320 afloat? ; ) Do NOT archive! Billy McCaskill Urbana IL tail feathers built, waiting on more wood


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    Time: 08:03:02 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Questions are no problem Ryan. On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 6:22 AM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for the info and the additional pics, Rick. By using the 1x4 clamped > to the underside of the ash crossmember, did you arrive at the 0 degrees > downthrust and thrust line level with the upper longerons, as WW did with > his second Piet mount? It appears to be roughly that way from what I can > tell in the first set of pics, but the angle of the photo makes it difficult > to make out the thrust line for sure. Yes the tray is shimmed to be parallel with the top longerons. > > > Here's another slew of questions: > Did you use the 3/4" .049 tubing as called out in the conversion manual? Yes exactly what WW specified. > Did you use gas or TIG to weld it? TIG > Also, did you finish weld the mount in place on the fuselage, or did you > tack it and finish it off the fuselage? I tacked it on the fueslage then finished it off. As far a deformation, the upper and lower mount points ended up about 1/4" narrower than the plates on the fuselage but it was no problem bending it a little to fit. I am sure it would have been better to build a jig out of angle iron matching the fuselage mount points but I was too lazy. In either case, did you take any steps to avoid warpage/deformation (beyond > what is shown in the pics), or did you even find that to be an issue? > > Thank you for the taking the time to field all my questions. Have a good > day, > > Ryan > > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote > > Hello Ryan >> >> I first built and welded the tray and spools on a flat surface, then you >> just need a jig to hold the tray where you want it in front of the firewall. >> This is where that big ash firewall cross member (that you thought was of no >> use unless you are using a Model A engine) came in handy. Just clamped a 1x4 >> to it (with the fuselage upside down) and clamped the tray to the 1x4 where >> I needed the engine to be to make CG, then cut and welded the rest of the >> tubing (see attached pics). >> >> Good luck >> >> Rick >> >> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Thanks Rick. I guess I must have missed that section, or forgot it was >>> there. I went back through and found what you were referring to, and reread >>> it. Could you descibe roughly the process you used to mock yours up? >>> >>> Ryan >>> >> -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado




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