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1. 05:23 AM - Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount (Ryan Mueller)
2. 06:08 AM - Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger (H RULE)
3. 06:09 AM - Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger (H RULE)
4. 06:17 AM - Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount (Ben Charvet)
5. 06:54 AM - Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger (walt)
6. 08:59 AM - Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger (Gene & Tammy)
7. 09:27 AM - Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger (walt)
8. 04:22 PM - Re: pinked tapes (jimd)
9. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: pinked tapes (Gene & Tammy)
10. 06:47 PM - to fly or build? (Oscar Zuniga)
11. 07:03 PM - Weight does matter but cosmentics of latex? (Oscar Zuniga)
12. 07:43 PM - Re: Weight does matter but cosmentics of latex? (BScott116@aol.com)
13. 07:53 PM - Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger ()
14. 08:03 PM - Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount (Rick Holland)
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Subject: | Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount |
Thanks for the info and the additional pics, Rick. By using the 1x4 clamped
to the underside of the ash crossmember, did you arrive at the 0 degrees
downthrust and thrust line level with the upper longerons, as WW did with
his second Piet mount? It appears to be roughly that way from what I can
tell in the first set of pics, but the angle of the photo makes it difficult
to make out the thrust line for sure.
Here's another slew of questions:
Did you use the 3/4" .049 tubing as called out in the conversion manual? Did
you use gas or TIG to weld it? Also, did you finish weld the mount in place
on the fuselage, or did you tack it and finish it off the fuselage? In
either case, did you take any steps to avoid warpage/deformation (beyond
what is shown in the pics), or did you even find that to be an issue?
Thank you for the taking the time to field all my questions. Have a good
day,
Ryan
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote
> Hello Ryan
>
> I first built and welded the tray and spools on a flat surface, then you
> just need a jig to hold the tray where you want it in front of the firewall.
> This is where that big ash firewall cross member (that you thought was of no
> use unless you are using a Model A engine) came in handy. Just clamped a 1x4
> to it (with the fuselage upside down) and clamped the tray to the 1x4 where
> I needed the engine to be to make CG, then cut and welded the rest of the
> tubing (see attached pics).
>
> Good luck
>
> Rick
>
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Thanks Rick. I guess I must have missed that section, or forgot it was
>> there. I went back through and found what you were referring to, and reread
>> it. Could you descibe roughly the process you used to mock yours up?
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I went with the mount described in William Wynnes manual, he dedicates
>>> around six pages one just building the mount.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
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Subject: | Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger |
In the video he mentioned they are trained to fly towards boats in order to
aid in the rescue so he would have flown close to that ferry.=0A=0A=0Ado n
ot archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Gene & Ta
mmy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASe
nt: Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:34:19 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: f
ull interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger=0A=0A=0AOR-,
you can just fly the plane, fly the plane, fly the plane. - If there had
been a crowded ferry on the river the FAA would have listed the crash as P
ilot Error and the pilot wouldn't have been a hero.- Life isn't always fa
ir.=0AJust my two cents worth=0AGene in Windy Tennessee=0A-=0A----- Origi
nal Message ----- =0AFrom: H RULE =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASe
nt: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:24 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full
interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger=0A=0AAwsome guy,a
wsome landing;he was probably the best man for the job having been a traine
r himself.He knew the sequence automatically,that's what training does for
you.It has to be automatic because there is no time to think. Having been i
n three different sequences myself of having to do an emergency landing and
not being far from the ground.You have to look fast and think unbelievably
fast and you can't panic or it will kill you.=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD
0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pi
etenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:46:10 PM
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Subject: | Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain |
Sullenberger
Part of what kept him af;oat was the gas in the tanks.It's lighter than wat
er.=0A=0A=0Ado not archive.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0AFrom: walt <waltdak@verizon.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASe
nt: Saturday, February 14, 2009 4:47:48 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: f
ull interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger=0A=0A=0AI've t
hought of this event since the day that it happened.=0AI came accross the G
eorge Washington Bridge about an hour before they ditched in the Hudson.=0A
We were in Rockville Centre , Long Island.=0AI guess we all fantisized abou
t being the pilot on that.=0AI only learned of the "ditch button" upon read
ing the news.=0AThe switch that closes all outside openings to make the pla
ne float longer. (but they said he didn't use it)=0A-=0AMy big question w
as ,,,they said that the rear cabin doors were kept closed, cause the rear
of the plane was sitting low in the water.=0AHow did he keep them closed?
=0ADid he tell the attendents to not allow them to open?=0AWere they-scre
aming orders?=0AIs there a switch to not allow the rear doors to be opened?
=0AI imagine that if the rear cabin doors were/could be opened,,,the plane
would have sank quite rapidly.=0A-=0AWhat I got from the 60 Minutes inter
view is that he did all he could do right,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,(and by the loo
k on his face) the rest was just good luck.=0ASo many pilots do the right t
hings and the plane cartwheels and breaks apart=0A-=0AAnd after all that,
, 50 some odd people die in a crash due to icing.=0AWhat a shame.=0A-=0Ad
o not archive=0A-=0A=0Awalt evans=0ANX140DL=0A=0A-=0A----- Original Mes
sage ----- =0AFrom: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] =0ATo: pietenpol-list@
matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:46 PM=0ASubject: Piete
npol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger=0A
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ics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matroni
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Subject: | Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount |
Nice welds, Rick. I built a Corvair mount to the Pietenpol plans, then
decided to use a Continental powerplant. William Wynn recommends stress
testing your mount and here are some pictures of the tool I made to test
mine. (I still have the old mount up in the attic. Who knows, maybe
I'll decide to go Corvair later). I welded mine on the airplane, but
don't think I'd recommend it. When I made my Continental mount I made a
jig that duplicated the firewall bracket locations. I made the jig out
of scrap lumber, and set it on fire a few times before I had the whole
thing tacked together.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReportDetail.cfm?BuildLogID=1322&PlaneID=481
\
Ben Charvet
Rick Holland wrote:
> Hello Ryan
>
> I first built and welded the tray and spools on a flat surface, then
> you just need a jig to hold the tray where you want it in front of the
> firewall. This is where that big ash firewall cross member (that you
> thought was of no use unless you are using a Model A engine) came in
> handy. Just clamped a 1x4 to it (with the fuselage upside down) and
> clamped the tray to the 1x4 where I needed the engine to be to make
> CG, then cut and welded the rest of the tubing (see attached pics).
>
> Good luck
>
> Rick
>
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com
> <mailto:rmueller23@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Thanks Rick. I guess I must have missed that section, or forgot it
> was there. I went back through and found what you were referring
> to, and reread it. Could you descibe roughly the process you used
> to mock yours up?
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com
> <mailto:at7000ft@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I went with the mount described in William Wynnes manual, he
> dedicates around six pages one just building the mount.
>
> Rick
>
>
> *
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution *
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
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Subject: | Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain |
Sullenberger
The river is quite wide where he put it.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene & Tammy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/
Captain Sullenberger
OR , you can just fly the plane, fly the plane, fly the plane. If
there had been a crowded ferry on the river the FAA would have listed
the crash as Pilot Error and the pilot wouldn't have been a hero. Life
isn't always fair.
Just my two cents worth
Gene in Windy Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: H RULE
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview
w/ Captain Sullenberger
Awsome guy,awsome landing;he was probably the best man for the job
having been a trainer himself.He knew the sequence automatically,that's
what training does for you.It has to be automatic because there is no
time to think. Having been in three different sequences myself of having
to do an emergency landing and not being far from the ground.You have to
look fast and think unbelievably fast and you can't panic or it will
kill you.
do not archive
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov>
To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:46:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/
Captain Sullenberger
Of possible interest:
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Subject: | Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger |
If there had been room he would have been pretty stupid not to.
Training or no training, common sense is pretty important. Wonder what
he would have done if the brid strike would have happened sooner at a
lower alititude or if he had taken off on a different runway and was
further from the river.
He did a great job. Just what he was getting paid for.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: H RULE
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/
Captain Sullenberger
In the video he mentioned they are trained to fly towards boats in
order to aid in the rescue so he would have flown close to that ferry.
do not archive
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From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:34:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/
Captain Sullenberger
OR , you can just fly the plane, fly the plane, fly the plane. If
there had been a crowded ferry on the river the FAA would have listed
the crash as Pilot Error and the pilot wouldn't have been a hero. Life
isn't always fair.
Just my two cents worth
Gene in Windy Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: H RULE
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview
w/ Captain Sullenberger
Awsome guy,awsome landing;he was probably the best man for the job
having been a trainer himself.He knew the sequence automatically,that's
what training does for you.It has to be automatic because there is no
time to think. Having been in three different sequences myself of having
to do an emergency landing and not being far from the ground.You have to
look fast and think unbelievably fast and you can't panic or it will
kill you.
do not archive
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov>
To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:46:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/
Captain Sullenberger
Of possible interest:
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Subject: | Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain |
Sullenberger
If you look at NYC from the air, seems like there's more water than
land.
East river, Harlem river, Jamaica Bay, etc.
He did a great job.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene & Tammy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/
Captain Sullenberger
If there had been room he would have been pretty stupid not to.
Training or no training, common sense is pretty important. Wonder what
he would have done if the brid strike would have happened sooner at a
lower alititude or if he had taken off on a different runway and was
further from the river.
He did a great job. Just what he was getting paid for.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: H RULE
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview
w/ Captain Sullenberger
In the video he mentioned they are trained to fly towards boats in
order to aid in the rescue so he would have flown close to that ferry.
do not archive
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From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:34:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview
w/ Captain Sullenberger
OR , you can just fly the plane, fly the plane, fly the plane. If
there had been a crowded ferry on the river the FAA would have listed
the crash as Pilot Error and the pilot wouldn't have been a hero. Life
isn't always fair.
Just my two cents worth
Gene in Windy Tennessee
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From: H RULE
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview
w/ Captain Sullenberger
Awsome guy,awsome landing;he was probably the best man for the job
having been a trainer himself.He knew the sequence automatically,that's
what training does for you.It has to be automatic because there is no
time to think. Having been in three different sequences myself of having
to do an emergency landing and not being far from the ground.You have to
look fast and think unbelievably fast and you can't panic or it will
kill you.
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To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:46:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/
Captain Sullenberger
Of possible interest:
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Subject: | Re: pinked tapes |
I have pinking shears and even a pair of perfect pinker rotary pinking shears.
You know how ransom notes look vs. Desktop publishing, well, I want my strips
even, so like most of you I bought pinked fabric tape in a roll, and thought it
was pricey. You can get fabric for four something a yard, but the tape was a
lot more.
Wasn't referring to bias tape, you can use heat to make regular tape work on rounded
surfaces.
Mike Cuy mentioned latex aesthetics and has a point, but I am still experimenting.
If it turns out well it will end up on my wings if not I will use the latex
primer as the base for Stewart Systems polyurethane as that looks as good as
Stits..
Don,t want an ugly plane but I want some gas money when I get done.
Jim d
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Subject: | Re: pinked tapes |
"Ugly" is in the eye of the beholder. Go to the flybaby site and you will
see some great looking latex paint jobs.
When looking at other airplanes I really try to keep in mind what my best
friend said when I told him I had bought a Pietenpol.
"Gene, why the hell did you do that? The Pietenpol is the Ugliest airplane
ever designed. I can't imagine anyone wanting one of those."
I love my Pietenpol and I think it's one of the prettiest airplane I have
ever seen. It's all in the eye of the beholder. Do it your way and you
will not only have a pretty airplane that you'll love but you'll also still
have money for gas.
Gene N502R
----- Original Message -----
From: "jimd" <jlducey@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: pinked tapes
>
> I have pinking shears and even a pair of perfect pinker rotary pinking
> shears. You know how ransom notes look vs. Desktop publishing, well, I
> want my strips even, so like most of you I bought pinked fabric tape in a
> roll, and thought it was pricey. You can get fabric for four something a
> yard, but the tape was a lot more.
>
> Wasn't referring to bias tape, you can use heat to make regular tape work
> on rounded surfaces.
>
> Mike Cuy mentioned latex aesthetics and has a point, but I am still
> experimenting. If it turns out well it will end up on my wings if not I
> will use the latex primer as the base for Stewart Systems polyurethane as
> that looks as good as Stits..
>
> Don,t want an ugly plane but I want some gas money when I get done.
>
> Jim d
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230422#230422
>
>
> --
> Checked by AVG.
> 2/13/2009 6:29 PM
>
>
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Subject: | to fly or build? |
Tom=3B
I have been an instrument student for almost as long as
I've been a pilot... over 30 years. I've taken=2C and passed
with an 85 the first time and a 90 the next=2C the instrument
written. I have hood time and actual time=2C not a lot but in
singles and in twins=2C and I love instrument flying and
procedures. However=2C I will never get my instrument ticket
and I'll be perfectly happy not to because I'd never be able
to stay current. Both literally (by the book) and mentally
(proficiency).
However=2C I have learned more about actual flying of aircraft
from my Pietenpol than I ever have in 30 years of instrument
instruction=2C reading=2C flying=2C testing=2C or any of the rest of it.
When it comes crunch time=2C like in a ditch situation=2C I'll take
Piet flying skills over instrument skills any day. And I can fly
the Piet for an hour for less than $20. There is no instrument
capable aircraft in my vicinity that I could rent for an hour for
less than 3 or 4 times that=2C and I'd also need an in$tructor.
By the way=2C flying is like riding a bike. Once you learn=2C you'll
never forget. You can get your basic skills back in a few hours
of dual time=2C maybe less. So raise your 2-year-old. I raised five
of them and got them all past middle school before I started
building an airplane and I didn't get into my Piet until our
youngest was already in college. The Piet is 80 years old this
year=3B it will be just as good in 10 years when you're ready to get
back to building =3Bo)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Weight does matter but cosmentics of latex? |
Mikee-
Since you are the builder of an award-winning Piet with a
gorgeous paint job=2C I accept your comments as extremely
valuable. But if I may=2C I'd like to offer my observations on
the latex paint that I just applied side-by-side with
Poly-Tone.
1. Flexibility is NOT an issue! Fabric finished with latex is
almost TOO limp compared to conventional solvent-based
finishes. I would be very=2C very surprised if latex paint ever
cracked on a fabric airplane=2C even directly in the drumming
of a propwash area.
2. When applied in full=2C thick coats latex seems quite prone
to runs. Especially when applied using flow-out agents=2C I
would be very surprised if a decent paint job could be laid
down on anything but a perfectly horizontal surface. BUT-
I am NOT a painter! I just know that the paint needs to
go down pretty heavily to block UV=2C and that makes it
susceptible to runs because it doesn't dry particularly
fast=2C compared with Poly-Tone.
3. Standard Poly-Tone=2C when dry=2C appears to be closer to
a flat paint finish than a satin or semi-gloss. I don't know
if you or others have added other finishes over the standard
color coat to give it gloss or sheen=2C but the Poly-Tone I've
used is smooth but certainly not shiny. In that respect it
makes a fabric airplane look like a fabric airplane=2C but not a
shiny one. Latex=2C on the other hand=2C gives a very smooth
and satiny finish and there is no sign of the weave.
4. I can't say anything about the crispness of masked
edges with either finish since I haven't done that yet=2C but
perhaps this is one area that you have a beef with? What
parts of latex paint jobs that you've seen made you think
they looked lousy?
I'm not defending either side here=2C just trying to learn.
And you'll note from pictures of me that my ears are always
fully extended in listening mode =3Bo)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Weight does matter but cosmentics of latex? |
Just a few notes on poly finishes. I just completed wings and fuselage of
my ultralite---all in the poly system. If you put on enough poly brush as
recommended in the manual you will not see the weave in the fabric. As I
progressed in the learning curve, I applied more vinyl in the poly brush coats
for
a smoother appearance.. I started with tail surfaces and did wings next
then fuselage. My fuselage is the smoothest. The tail surfaces show the most
weave. Just a matter of learning how to spray "wet" and avoid runs. I don't
know why y'all are trying to save money with non aero finishes. Seems more
risky and waste of time to avoid aero systems that really work. Just my
opinion as a first time builder. have at it!
In a message dated 2/15/2009 9:03:55 P.M. Central Standard Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
Mikee-
Since you are the builder of an award-winning Piet with a
gorgeous paint job, I accept your comments as extremely
valuable. But if I may, I'd like to offer my observations on
the latex paint that I just applied side-by-side with
Poly-Tone.
1. Flexibility is NOT an issue! Fabric finished with latex is
almost TOO limp compared to conventional solvent-based
finishes. I would be very, very surprised if latex paint ever
cracked on a fabric airplane, even directly in the drumming
of a propwash area.
2. When applied in full, thick coats latex seems quite prone
to runs. Especially when applied using flow-out agents, I
would be very surprised if a decent paint job could be laid
down on anything but a perfectly horizontal surface. BUT-
I am NOT a painter! I just know that the paint needs to
go down pretty heavily to block UV, and that makes it
susceptible to runs because it doesn't dry particularly
fast, compared with Poly-Tone.
3. Standard Poly-Tone, when dry, appears to be closer to
a flat paint finish than a satin or semi-gloss. I don't know
if you or others have added other finishes over the standard
color coat to give it gloss or sheen, but the Poly-Tone I've
used is smooth but certainly not shiny. In that respect it
makes a fabric airplane look like a fabric airplane, but not a
shiny one. Latex, on the other hand, gives a very smooth
and satiny finish and there is no sign of the weave.
4. I can't say anything about the crispness of masked
edges with either finish since I haven't done that yet, but
perhaps this is one area that you have a beef with? What
parts of latex paint jobs that you've seen made you think
they looked lousy?
I'm not defending either side here, just trying to learn.
And you'll note from pictures of me that my ears are always
fully extended in listening mode ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
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Subject: | Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger |
I wonder how many milk jugs it took to keep Captain Sully's A320 afloat? ; )
Do NOT archive!
Billy McCaskill
Urbana IL
tail feathers built, waiting on more wood
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Subject: | Re: Gary & Shad's motor mount |
Questions are no problem Ryan.
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 6:22 AM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the info and the additional pics, Rick. By using the 1x4 clamped
> to the underside of the ash crossmember, did you arrive at the 0 degrees
> downthrust and thrust line level with the upper longerons, as WW did with
> his second Piet mount? It appears to be roughly that way from what I can
> tell in the first set of pics, but the angle of the photo makes it difficult
> to make out the thrust line for sure.
Yes the tray is shimmed to be parallel with the top longerons.
>
>
> Here's another slew of questions:
> Did you use the 3/4" .049 tubing as called out in the conversion manual?
Yes exactly what WW specified.
> Did you use gas or TIG to weld it?
TIG
> Also, did you finish weld the mount in place on the fuselage, or did you
> tack it and finish it off the fuselage?
I tacked it on the fueslage then finished it off. As far a deformation, the
upper and lower mount points ended up about 1/4" narrower than the plates on
the fuselage but it was no problem bending it a little to fit. I am sure it
would have been better to build a jig out of angle iron matching the
fuselage mount points but I was too lazy.
In either case, did you take any steps to avoid warpage/deformation (beyond
> what is shown in the pics), or did you even find that to be an issue?
>
> Thank you for the taking the time to field all my questions. Have a good
> day,
>
> Ryan
>
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote
>
> Hello Ryan
>>
>> I first built and welded the tray and spools on a flat surface, then you
>> just need a jig to hold the tray where you want it in front of the firewall.
>> This is where that big ash firewall cross member (that you thought was of no
>> use unless you are using a Model A engine) came in handy. Just clamped a 1x4
>> to it (with the fuselage upside down) and clamped the tray to the 1x4 where
>> I needed the engine to be to make CG, then cut and welded the rest of the
>> tubing (see attached pics).
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Rick. I guess I must have missed that section, or forgot it was
>>> there. I went back through and found what you were referring to, and reread
>>> it. Could you descibe roughly the process you used to mock yours up?
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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