---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/16/09: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:11 AM - Re: Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger (H RULE) 2. 09:08 AM - Re: Weight does matter but cosmentics of latex? (Rick Holland) 3. 01:34 PM - Re: Re: pinked tapes (Barry Davis) 4. 02:13 PM - latex (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 5. 02:29 PM - Re: latex (H RULE) 6. 04:53 PM - Re: latex (airlion@bellsouth.net) 7. 05:02 PM - Re: latex (airlion@bellsouth.net) 8. 06:23 PM - Re: latex (Rick Holland) 9. 08:09 PM - Re: latex-- some considerations (Tim Willis) 10. 09:10 PM - Re: latex-- some considerations (Rick Holland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:32 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Interview w/ Captain Sullenberger At least two air stews and one purser;-0=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0AFrom: "billmz@cox.net" =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10: 53:22 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: full interview-- 60 Minutes Intervi mz@cox.net>=0A=0AI wonder how many milk jugs it took to keep Captain Sully' s A320 afloat?- ; )- =0A=0ADo NOT archive!=0A=0ABilly McCaskill=0AUrban - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L ======= ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Weight does matter but cosmentics of latex? From: Rick Holland . I don't know why y'all are trying to save money with non aero finishes. > Seems more risky and waste of time to avoid aero systems that really work. > Just my opinion as a first time builder. have at it! > > > $300 vs. $3000 is my main reason. -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:37 PM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: pinked tapes On ebay you can find some antique hand-crank pinked cutters for making rolls. I did not buy one because they did not look like they were capable of cutting wider than 3/4" or 1" I think they are for pinking only the edge of a bolt of fabric (dress not wing) . I am sure that they could be modified, but we did not try. We ended up buying from A/Spruce. Even with our deep discount it still hurt. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimd" Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: pinked tapes > > I have pinking shears and even a pair of perfect pinker rotary pinking > shears. You know how ransom notes look vs. Desktop publishing, well, I > want my strips even, so like most of you I bought pinked fabric tape in a > roll, and thought it was pricey. You can get fabric for four something a > yard, but the tape was a lot more. > > Wasn't referring to bias tape, you can use heat to make regular tape work > on rounded surfaces. > > Mike Cuy mentioned latex aesthetics and has a point, but I am still > experimenting. If it turns out well it will end up on my wings if not I > will use the latex primer as the base for Stewart Systems polyurethane as > that looks as good as Stits.. > > Don,t want an ugly plane but I want some gas money when I get done. > > Jim d > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230422#230422 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:41 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex In accordance with the Radio Act of 1927 and the Communications Act of 1934 establishing equal time, here are a few about latex--- low cost, no fumes, easy to apply, water clean-up, and if done properly protects the fabric fr om UV. Fisher Flying Products was a pioneer in latex on fabric from what I recall and if not mistaken Lohele WWII replica's use a latex method to ge t that nice flat finish they are looking for. If a flat finish is desired latex is a good way to go however there are additives I understand that can provide some gloss. This is not a retraction of my opinion that latex lo oks like crap though:)) Mike C. in Ohio ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:29:09 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex You are softening though;-]=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________ ______________________=0AFrom: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" =0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" =0ASent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:12:37 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol- List: latex=0A=0A=0A-=0AIn accordance with the Radio Act of 1927 and the Communications Act of 1934 establishing equal time, here are a few-about latex--- low cost, no fumes, easy to apply, water clean-up, and if done pro perly protects the fabric from UV.---Fisher Flying Products was a pio neer in latex on fabric from what I recall and if not mistaken Lohele WWII replica's use a latex method to get that nice flat finish they are looking for.--If a flat finish is desired latex is a good way to go however the re are additives I understand that can provide some gloss.-- This is no t a retraction of my opinion that latex looks like crap though:)) =0A-=0A ======= ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:12 PM PST US From: airlion@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:59 PM PST US From: airlion@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex From: Rick Holland I beg to differ Mike, I painted my now famous "Latex test panel out in the corral for 3 1/2 years" panel with Gloss ext latex and it came out fairly glossy (and still is) and I didn't even use the glossiest, they make a Super Gloss version of the stuff. And as far as looking like crap, some people spend a lot of time and money to look like crap, like some of those rock/rap stars. Crap can be cool ;) Rick On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] wrote: > > In accordance with the Radio Act of 1927 and the Communications Act of 1934 > establishing equal time, here are a few about latex--- low cost, no fumes, > easy to apply, water clean-up, and if done properly protects the fabric from > UV. Fisher Flying Products was a pioneer in latex on fabric from what I > recall and ifmistaken Lohele WWII replica's use a latex method to get that > nice flat finish they are looking for. If a flat finish is desired latex > is a good way to go however there are additives I understand that can > provide some gloss. This is not a retraction of my opinion that latex > looks like crap though:)) > > Mike C. in Ohio > > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:36 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex-- some considerations Rick, I had saved the results of your test, and recall that: a) you were very pleased with the durability of the latex paint; b) the latex paint over the first coat of PolyBrush did not fare as well in your punch test as the side with four coats of latex. You did not comment on the cause of this. Were all other variables held constant; e.g., were both samples equally taut? Based on your results, knowing nothing else, I would conclude that I should not put latex over PolyFiber first coats. Is that right? Anyone chime in on this part, if you like, for others must have done this very thing. In my case, I have enough PolyBrush stuff to do the primer and UV block (silver), but have no finish paint. Since Mr. Market has cut my wealth nearly in half in the last year, I am looking for shortcuts that will lower the cost of the final build without sacrificing safety, performance, or looks. I was planning the flatter PolyBrush finishes anyway, to AVOID respirator and separate air supply for the glossy stuff-- PolyTone? I suspect that, as Oscar points out, I can get as good appearance with latex as with PolyBrush. I have been considering doing the wings in white, and the fuze in a more vibrant color. Others have done this, and I like the looks. (Jack Phillips' plane is a good example.) With this in mind, I might make the wings white latex and the fuze [at least firewall back] all PolyBrush. I can more easily rotate each wing for painting, so that the surface would be flat, to avoid runs with latex. OTOH, latex on the fuze might allow the builder to use the same paint on the fabric and the cowl, whether aluminum or fiberglass, or both. I'd welcome comments from anyone on these considerations. Thanks. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Rick Holland >Sent: Feb 16, 2009 9:22 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex > >I beg to differ Mike, I painted my now famous "Latex test panel out in the >corral for 3 1/2 years" panel with Gloss ext latex and it came out fairly >glossy (and still is) and I didn't even use the glossiest, they make a Super >Gloss version of the stuff. >And as far as looking like crap, some people spend a lot of time and money >to look like crap, like some of those rock/rap stars. Crap can be cool ;) > >Rick > >On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] > wrote: > >> >> In accordance with the Radio Act of 1927 and the Communications Act of 1934 >> establishing equal time, here are a few about latex--- low cost, no fumes, >> easy to apply, water clean-up, and if done properly protects the fabric from >> UV. Fisher Flying Products was a pioneer in latex on fabric from what I >> recall and ifmistaken Lohele WWII replica's use a latex method to get that >> nice flat finish they are looking for. If a flat finish is desired latex >> is a good way to go however there are additives I understand that can >> provide some gloss. This is not a retraction of my opinion that latex >> looks like crap though:)) >> >> Mike C. in Ohio >> >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> * >> >> > > >-- >Rick Holland >Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex-- some considerations From: Rick Holland Hello Tim Yes both sides were (and still are) equally taut. And even though the one coat polybrush/three latex side punched through it only went through at the very top of the range of the gauge, so I doubt if it makes that much difference. But given the results I can see no reason to spend the money on polybrush. As far a problems with drips, I spray painted my entire house and painted the test panel with a brush and had no drip problems (even with the paint thinned). Rick On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Tim Willis wrote: > timothywillis@earthlink.net> > > Rick, > > I had saved the results of your test, and recall that: > a) you were very pleased with the durability of the latex paint; > b) the latex paint over the first coat of PolyBrush did not fare as well in > your punch test as the side with four coats of latex. > > You did not comment on the cause of this. Were all other variables held > constant; e.g., were both samples equally taut? > > Based on your results, knowing nothing else, I would conclude that I should > not put latex over PolyFiber first coats. Is that right? Anyone chime in > on this part, if you like, for others must have done this very thing. > > In my case, I have enough PolyBrush stuff to do the primer and UV block > (silver), but have no finish paint. Since Mr. Market has cut my wealth > nearly in half in the last year, I am looking for shortcuts that will lower > the cost of the final build without sacrificing safety, performance, or > looks. I was planning the flatter PolyBrush finishes anyway, to AVOID > respirator and separate air supply for the glossy stuff-- PolyTone? I > suspect that, as Oscar points out, I can get as good appearance with latex > as with PolyBrush. > > I have been considering doing the wings in white, and the fuze in a more > vibrant color. Others have done this, and I like the looks. (Jack > Phillips' plane is a good example.) With this in mind, I might make the > wings white latex and the fuze [at least firewall back] all PolyBrush. I > can more easily rotate each wing for painting, so that the surface would be > flat, to avoid runs with latex. > > OTOH, latex on the fuze might allow the builder to use the same paint on > the fabric and the cowl, whether aluminum or fiberglass, or both. > > I'd welcome comments from anyone on these considerations. > > Thanks. > Tim in central TX > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Rick Holland > >Sent: Feb 16, 2009 9:22 PM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex > > > >I beg to differ Mike, I painted my now famous "Latex test panel out in the > >corral for 3 1/2 years" panel with Gloss ext latex and it came out fairly > >glossy (and still is) and I didn't even use the glossiest, they make a > Super > >Gloss version of the stuff. > >And as far as looking like crap, some people spend a lot of time and money > >to look like crap, like some of those rock/rap stars. Crap can be cool ;) > > > >Rick > > > >On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] > > wrote: > > > >> > >> In accordance with the Radio Act of 1927 and the Communications Act of > 1934 > >> establishing equal time, here are a few about latex--- low cost, no > fumes, > >> easy to apply, water clean-up, and if done properly protects the fabric > from > >> UV. Fisher Flying Products was a pioneer in latex on fabric from what > I > >> recall and ifmistaken Lohele WWII replica's use a latex method to get > that > >> nice flat finish they are looking for. If a flat finish is desired > latex > >> is a good way to go however there are additives I understand that can > >> provide some gloss. This is not a retraction of my opinion that latex > >> looks like crap though:)) > >> > >> Mike C. in Ohio > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> * > >> > >> * > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >Rick Holland > >Castle Rock, Colorado > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.