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1. 06:08 AM - Rick Holland's progress/latex (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
2. 06:29 AM - Re: Rick Holland's progress/latex (TOM STINEMETZE)
3. 07:18 AM - Re: Rick Holland's progress/latex (Michael Perez)
4. 09:05 AM - Re: Rick Holland's progress/latex (H RULE)
5. 11:11 AM - Newbie (K5YAC)
6. 11:34 AM - Re: Newbie (Phillips, Jack)
7. 11:39 AM - Re: Newbie (H RULE)
8. 12:09 PM - Re: Newbie (K5YAC)
9. 12:50 PM - Re: Newbie (Dave Abramson)
10. 01:04 PM - Re: Brodhead International (Dog67@aol.com)
11. 01:18 PM - Re: Newbie (walt)
12. 01:34 PM - Re: Newbie (amsafetyc@aol.com)
13. 04:41 PM - Re: Re: Newbie (pietn38b@aol.com)
14. 10:55 PM - Re: Tail surfaces (Mild Bill)
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Subject: | Rick Holland's progress/latex |
For those who have never had the pleasure of meeting Rick Holland in person
, here he is with me at Oshkosh in 2005 with his other airplane:) From the
photos Rick has posted he is doing top-quality work and I'm looking forwar
d to enjoying the day when it all comes together for Rick when he starts to
fly his Pietenpol. Funny thing is that for as long as you think it is tak
ing you to build your airplane that when you finish you haven't even begun
to scratch the surface of the enjoyment factor that lay ahead of you. I'm
not a hiker or mountain climber but I can only think of how much easier it
is (maybe) effort-wise to come down a hill than climb up it and I liken tha
t to the enjoyment that those of you who stick with your projects to the po
int of flying them will enjoy.
Regarding the cosmetics of latex, if anyone can make latex look acceptable
Rick Holland will be able to do it. As long as I'm rambling I can't help
but think of how much I admire good craftsmanship on homebuilt airplanes or
restorations of old airplanes to fine form but there is also something ver
y appealing about the rough, worn, and rode-hard look of planes like you'll
see at places like Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome in Rhinebeck, New York. Both l
ooks are equally appealing to me in very different ways. The only aversio
n I have to lack of nice workmanship in homebuilt airplanes is the impressi
on it gives to the general public at fly-in's or local airports. "you are
actually going to fly in this piece of junk ?"
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Rick Holland's progress/latex |
Oh Boy! Is he going to move that Merlin over to the Pietenpol? THIS I've
got to see!
Stinemetze
do not archive
>>> "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov> 2/18/2009
8:05 AM >>>
>>For those who have never had the pleasure of meeting Rick Holland in
person, here he is with me at Oshkosh in 2005 >>with his other airplane:)
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Subject: | Re: Rick Holland's progress/latex |
I am also a huge fan of the "weathered" planes out there. Clean, glossy, br
ight paint has it's place-and it fits the Pietenpol well. However,-my "
new" Pietenpol when done will not be shinny...
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Subject: | Re: Rick Holland's progress/latex |
Stealthy!=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________________
_=0AFrom: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@mat
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Pietenpol-List: Rick Holland's progress/latex=0A=0A=0AI am also a huge fan
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I am in the very early stages of deciding which kit I would like to build and I
have more than a few questions about the Pietenpol. I really like the style,
and it seems like something that I would enjoy building. I've read several books
on kit building and have also built scale R/C models for over 20 years...
hopefully these skills will help as I proceed to the next levels of building.
The top question on my mind is... Can I fly this aircraft? I am 6'5" tall and
250 pounds. From what I've read, the weight should not pose a real problem in
this aircraft, but how about my height? Can a tall fellow manipulate the controls,
or will I feel like I'm crammed into a C-150 (or worse)? If I can find
out that a person of my stature can indeed comfortably fly this type of craft,
I will be leaning heavily in favor of this design. Perhaps the cockpit can
be modified slightly by the builder to accommodate his stature?
Thanks in advance for any information the group can offer, and I hope to get to
know you all a little better in the near future.
--------
Mark
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Height is not usually a problem. There is plenty of headroom. Legroom
might be a bit more of a problem, but you can modify the design as need
be to fit into it. I'm 200 lbs and 6'2" and I fit in mine just fine.
Weight is more of an issue than you think, and with you and an equally
heavy passenger, you will need a long runway.
I suggest you try to find one locally and try it on for size, or better
yet, go to Brodhead this summer for the annual Pietenpol Fly-In and try
on several of them. No two are alike.
You do realize this is not a "kitplane" don't you? It does go together
pretty much like a big model airplane so you should have no problem
building it.
Where are you located, Mark?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie
I am in the very early stages of deciding which kit I would like to
build and I have more than a few questions about the Pietenpol. I
really like the style, and it seems like something that I would enjoy
building. I've read several books on kit building and have also built
scale R/C models for over 20 years... hopefully these skills will help
as I proceed to the next levels of building.
The top question on my mind is... Can I fly this aircraft? I am 6'5"
tall and 250 pounds. From what I've read, the weight should not pose a
real problem in this aircraft, but how about my height? Can a tall
fellow manipulate the controls, or will I feel like I'm crammed into a
C-150 (or worse)? If I can find out that a person of my stature can
indeed comfortably fly this type of craft, I will be leaning heavily in
favor of this design. Perhaps the cockpit can be modified slightly by
the builder to accommodate his stature?
Thanks in advance for any information the group can offer, and I hope to
get to know you all a little better in the near future.
--------
Mark
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Well,first off this isn't a kit.You have to build this plane from scatch of
either wood or metal and yes you can modify it for your height and weight
as you build.There are- wide designs and stretch designs.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_
_______________________________=0AFrom: K5YAC <k5yac@cox.net>=0ATo: pietenp
ol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:10:36 PM=0ASub
YAC" <k5yac@cox.net>=0A=0AI am in the very early stages of deciding which k
it I would like to build and I have more than a few questions about the Pie
tenpol.- I really like the style, and it seems like something that I woul
d enjoy building.- I've read several books on kit building and have also
built scale R/C models for over 20 years... hopefully these skills will hel
p as I proceed to the next levels of building.=0A=0AThe top question on my
mind is... Can I fly this aircraft?- I am 6'5" tall and 250 pounds.- Fr
om what I've read, the weight should not pose a real problem in this aircra
ft, but how about my height?- Can a tall fellow manipulate the controls,
or will I feel like I'm crammed into a C-150 (or worse)?- If I can find o
ut that a person of my stature can indeed comfortably fly this type of craf
t, I will be leaning heavily in favor of this design.- Perhaps the cockpi
t can be modified slightly by the builder to accommodate his stature?-
=0A=0AThanks in advance for any information the group can offer, and I hope
to get to know you all a little better in the near future.=0A=0A--------
=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matro
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Thanks for the response Jack. Yes, I do understand that this is a scratch build.
I think (hope) that I possess many of the skills required to take on a project
of this sort. I guess I'll find out soon enough. Regardless, I'm sure I'll
have questions since I've never done this before.
My location? I am in Owasso, Oklahoma... just a few miles northeast of Tulsa.
I suppose I could add that info to my signature. I recently joined EAA Chapter
10 at Gundy's airport, but I haven't had the opportunity to meet many of the
members. I plan to attend our Saturday morning fly-in breakfast, where I will
hopefully get to meet some of the crew. I'm sure they will be willing to help
point me in the right direction.
I hear ya on the long runway part. I don't plan to put adults up front too often.
Maybe the wife once in a while, but this project is mostly for me and my
5 year old son. If I need to carry much more, I'll go rent a Cherokee. Hopefully
that won't be necessary too often.
I'll have to put Broadhead on the list. We sure would like to go to Air Venture...
if we find a way to make it, perhaps we can plan to stop in. Honestly, if
I'm serious about having a plane of my own, I should probably use the funds
I would spend on that trip to purchase needed materials.
Thanks again for the info!
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Mark
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Hi Mark,
I am 6'2" and was too cramped with the passenger cockpit in front... So I
removed it, moved the panel forward about 3 or 4 inches, and moved the
rudder bar forward...
Now I have lots of room!!!! But, have to fly alone......
Cheers!
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 11:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie
I am in the very early stages of deciding which kit I would like to build
and I have more than a few questions about the Pietenpol. I really like the
style, and it seems like something that I would enjoy building. I've read
several books on kit building and have also built scale R/C models for over
20 years... hopefully these skills will help as I proceed to the next levels
of building.
The top question on my mind is... Can I fly this aircraft? I am 6'5" tall
and 250 pounds. From what I've read, the weight should not pose a real
problem in this aircraft, but how about my height? Can a tall fellow
manipulate the controls, or will I feel like I'm crammed into a C-150 (or
worse)? If I can find out that a person of my stature can indeed
comfortably fly this type of craft, I will be leaning heavily in favor of
this design. Perhaps the cockpit can be modified slightly by the builder to
accommodate his stature?
Thanks in advance for any information the group can offer, and I hope to get
to know you all a little better in the near future.
--------
Mark
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230861#230861
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead International |
Hey Steve -
Nice stickers - I like the idea.
If ya'll are going to Osh this year, and need a place to stop on the way -
I
moved to Denver and have room. Let me know
Cheers
jon apfelbaum
In a message dated 2/9/2009 1:15:09 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
steve@byu.edu writes:
All Pietenpolers!
The snow and the gray skies has got me thinking about summer, and our 80th
Anniversary plans.
I am excited to make the trip to Brodhead and sit round the campfire and
enjoy the misty mornings in the early light of day.
Like the rest of you I=99m face with the challenge of arranging vacat
ion,
family and means to make the trip happen. I have three aims for this trip.
1)
Teach my boys (Dallin, age 9, and Crandall, age 11) how to dream big and wo
rk
hard. 2) Show them the beauty of America =93 Low and Slow style. 3)
teach
them to give generously.
While I=99m working on another round of baseball caps and an annivers
ary
patch, My boys and I came up with the idea they can help with. Crandall a
nd
Dallin, (with a little help from Dad) present the soon-to-be-famous
=98Brodhead
International=99 sticker! To honor EAA chapter 431 and give somethi
ng back to
our hosts who so kindly and graciously invite us back every year, we are
donating $1 per order sold, to them.
Here is the design. Size is 4x6 in Black and white.
$5 each or 3 for $10
Shipping included.
Send checks to:
Crandall or Dallin Eldredge
2810 E Canyon Rd
Spanish Fork, UT 84660
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Mark,
I'm 6'3" and 230# Cockpits not very roomy, but it's OK.
Many have modified the fuse by widening it 2".
Just keep in mind there are alot of other mods that go along with the
widening.
Deffinitely build the long fuse, not the short.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <k5yac@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie
>
> I am in the very early stages of deciding which kit I would like to build
> and I have more than a few questions about the Pietenpol. I really like
> the style, and it seems like something that I would enjoy building. I've
> read several books on kit building and have also built scale R/C models
> for over 20 years... hopefully these skills will help as I proceed to the
> next levels of building.
>
> The top question on my mind is... Can I fly this aircraft? I am 6'5" tall
> and 250 pounds. From what I've read, the weight should not pose a real
> problem in this aircraft, but how about my height? Can a tall fellow
> manipulate the controls, or will I feel like I'm crammed into a C-150 (or
> worse)? If I can find out that a person of my stature can indeed
> comfortably fly this type of craft, I will be leaning heavily in favor of
> this design. Perhaps the cockpit can be modified slightly by the builder
> to accommodate his stature?
>
> Thanks in advance for any information the group can offer, and I hope to
> get to know you all a little better in the near future.
>
> --------
> Mark
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230861#230861
>
>
>
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FYI Jim Markle is in Pryor OK and building his Piet a great guy and always welcomes
another builder to chat with.
If you get serious go visit Jim
Just do tell him I said anything good about him
John
------Original Message------
From: Phillips, Jack
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Feb 18, 2009 2:32 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Newbie
Height is not usually a problem. There is plenty of headroom. Legroom
might be a bit more of a problem, but you can modify the design as need
be to fit into it. I'm 200 lbs and 6'2" and I fit in mine just fine.
Weight is more of an issue than you think, and with you and an equally
heavy passenger, you will need a long runway.
I suggest you try to find one locally and try it on for size, or better
yet, go to Brodhead this summer for the annual Pietenpol Fly-In and try
on several of them. No two are alike.
You do realize this is not a "kitplane" don't you? It does go together
pretty much like a big model airplane so you should have no problem
building it.
Where are you located, Mark?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie
I am in the very early stages of deciding which kit I would like to
build and I have more than a few questions about the Pietenpol. I
really like the style, and it seems like something that I would enjoy
building. I've read several books on kit building and have also built
scale R/C models for over 20 years... hopefully these skills will help
as I proceed to the next levels of building.
The top question on my mind is... Can I fly this aircraft? I am 6'5"
tall and 250 pounds. From what I've read, the weight should not pose a
real problem in this aircraft, but how about my height? Can a tall
fellow manipulate the controls, or will I feel like I'm crammed into a
C-150 (or worse)? If I can find out that a person of my stature can
indeed comfortably fly this type of craft, I will be leaning heavily in
favor of this design. Perhaps the cockpit can be modified slightly by
the builder to accommodate his stature?
Thanks in advance for any information the group can offer, and I hope to
get to know you all a little better in the near future.
--------
Mark
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Mark
I live just north of you in Collinsville ande belong to Chapter 10 also. I
keep my Piet at Sandridge airport and would be glad to show it to you and try
it on. It is a Corvair powered, standard would fuselage. You can contact
me at 371-9624 or 694-2069. Jim Ballew
In a message dated 2/18/2009 2:09:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,
k5yac@cox.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" <k5yac@cox.net>
Thanks for the response Jack. Yes, I do understand that this is a scratch
build. I think (hope) that I possess many of the skills required to take on
a project of this sort. I guess I'll find out soon enough. Regardless, I'm
sure I'll have questions since I've never done this before.
My location? I am in Owasso, Oklahoma... just a few miles northeast of
Tulsa. I suppose I could add that info to my signature. I recently joined EAA
Chapter 10 at Gundy's airport, but I haven't had the opportunity to meet many
of the members. I plan to attend our Saturday morning fly-in breakfast,
where I will hopefully get to meet some of the crew. I'm sure they will be
willing to help point me in the right direction.
I hear ya on the long runway part. I don't plan to put adults up front too
often. Maybe the wife once in a while, but this project is mostly for me and
my 5 year old son. If I need to carry much more, I'll go rent a Cherokee.
Hopefully that won't be necessary too often.
I'll have to put Broadhead on the list. We sure would like to go to Air
Venture... if we find a way to make it, perhaps we can plan to stop in.
Honestly, if I'm serious about having a plane of my own, I should probably use
the
funds I would spend on that trip to purchase needed materials.
Thanks again for the info!
--------
Mark
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230869#230869
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Subject: | Re: Tail surfaces |
The curvature gives a mild impression of an airfoil cross section.
If you don't mind a slight increase in weight, you could thicken the leading and
trailing edges to make the tailplane a flat plate with rounded edges and you
wouldn't notice the difference in aerodynamic performance or behavior. (But actually
every ounce counts - little things like pulling all the nails out of gussets
after the adhesive cures do add up, or perhaps could more properly be said
to subtract down.)
It appears that shimming is desirable to make the areas under the fittings the
same depth as the back face of the horizontal stabilizer's trailing edge. The
plans indicate that the bottom of the vertical fin is straight all the way, skating
off the top of the horizontal stabilizer to leave a gap over the curvature
at the front.
Just part of the charm of a Pietenpol Air Camper. [Wink]
--------
Bill Frank
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