---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/18/09: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:08 AM - Rick Holland's progress/latex (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 2. 06:29 AM - Re: Rick Holland's progress/latex (TOM STINEMETZE) 3. 07:18 AM - Re: Rick Holland's progress/latex (Michael Perez) 4. 09:05 AM - Re: Rick Holland's progress/latex (H RULE) 5. 11:11 AM - Newbie (K5YAC) 6. 11:34 AM - Re: Newbie (Phillips, Jack) 7. 11:39 AM - Re: Newbie (H RULE) 8. 12:09 PM - Re: Newbie (K5YAC) 9. 12:50 PM - Re: Newbie (Dave Abramson) 10. 01:04 PM - Re: Brodhead International (Dog67@aol.com) 11. 01:18 PM - Re: Newbie (walt) 12. 01:34 PM - Re: Newbie (amsafetyc@aol.com) 13. 04:41 PM - Re: Re: Newbie (pietn38b@aol.com) 14. 10:55 PM - Re: Tail surfaces (Mild Bill) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:03 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rick Holland's progress/latex For those who have never had the pleasure of meeting Rick Holland in person , here he is with me at Oshkosh in 2005 with his other airplane:) From the photos Rick has posted he is doing top-quality work and I'm looking forwar d to enjoying the day when it all comes together for Rick when he starts to fly his Pietenpol. Funny thing is that for as long as you think it is tak ing you to build your airplane that when you finish you haven't even begun to scratch the surface of the enjoyment factor that lay ahead of you. I'm not a hiker or mountain climber but I can only think of how much easier it is (maybe) effort-wise to come down a hill than climb up it and I liken tha t to the enjoyment that those of you who stick with your projects to the po int of flying them will enjoy. Regarding the cosmetics of latex, if anyone can make latex look acceptable Rick Holland will be able to do it. As long as I'm rambling I can't help but think of how much I admire good craftsmanship on homebuilt airplanes or restorations of old airplanes to fine form but there is also something ver y appealing about the rough, worn, and rode-hard look of planes like you'll see at places like Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome in Rhinebeck, New York. Both l ooks are equally appealing to me in very different ways. The only aversio n I have to lack of nice workmanship in homebuilt airplanes is the impressi on it gives to the general public at fly-in's or local airports. "you are actually going to fly in this piece of junk ?" Mike C. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:09 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rick Holland's progress/latex Oh Boy! Is he going to move that Merlin over to the Pietenpol? THIS I've got to see! Stinemetze do not archive >>> "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" 2/18/2009 8:05 AM >>> >>For those who have never had the pleasure of meeting Rick Holland in person, here he is with me at Oshkosh in 2005 >>with his other airplane:) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:58 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rick Holland's progress/latex I am also a huge fan of the "weathered" planes out there. Clean, glossy, br ight paint has it's place-and it fits the Pietenpol well. However,-my " new" Pietenpol when done will not be shinny... ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:18 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rick Holland's progress/latex Stealthy!=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________________ _=0AFrom: Michael Perez =0ATo: pietenpol-list@mat ronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:17:42 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rick Holland's progress/latex=0A=0A=0AI am also a huge fan of the "weathered" planes out there. Clean, glossy, bright paint has it's p lace-and it fits the Pietenpol well. However,-my "new" Pietenpol when d 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie From: "K5YAC" I am in the very early stages of deciding which kit I would like to build and I have more than a few questions about the Pietenpol. I really like the style, and it seems like something that I would enjoy building. I've read several books on kit building and have also built scale R/C models for over 20 years... hopefully these skills will help as I proceed to the next levels of building. The top question on my mind is... Can I fly this aircraft? I am 6'5" tall and 250 pounds. From what I've read, the weight should not pose a real problem in this aircraft, but how about my height? Can a tall fellow manipulate the controls, or will I feel like I'm crammed into a C-150 (or worse)? If I can find out that a person of my stature can indeed comfortably fly this type of craft, I will be leaning heavily in favor of this design. Perhaps the cockpit can be modified slightly by the builder to accommodate his stature? Thanks in advance for any information the group can offer, and I hope to get to know you all a little better in the near future. -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230861#230861 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:34:19 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Newbie From: "Phillips, Jack" Height is not usually a problem. There is plenty of headroom. Legroom might be a bit more of a problem, but you can modify the design as need be to fit into it. I'm 200 lbs and 6'2" and I fit in mine just fine. Weight is more of an issue than you think, and with you and an equally heavy passenger, you will need a long runway. I suggest you try to find one locally and try it on for size, or better yet, go to Brodhead this summer for the annual Pietenpol Fly-In and try on several of them. No two are alike. You do realize this is not a "kitplane" don't you? It does go together pretty much like a big model airplane so you should have no problem building it. Where are you located, Mark? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie I am in the very early stages of deciding which kit I would like to build and I have more than a few questions about the Pietenpol. I really like the style, and it seems like something that I would enjoy building. I've read several books on kit building and have also built scale R/C models for over 20 years... hopefully these skills will help as I proceed to the next levels of building. The top question on my mind is... Can I fly this aircraft? I am 6'5" tall and 250 pounds. From what I've read, the weight should not pose a real problem in this aircraft, but how about my height? Can a tall fellow manipulate the controls, or will I feel like I'm crammed into a C-150 (or worse)? If I can find out that a person of my stature can indeed comfortably fly this type of craft, I will be leaning heavily in favor of this design. Perhaps the cockpit can be modified slightly by the builder to accommodate his stature? Thanks in advance for any information the group can offer, and I hope to get to know you all a little better in the near future. -------- Mark _________________________________________________ or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:39:07 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie Well,first off this isn't a kit.You have to build this plane from scatch of either wood or metal and yes you can modify it for your height and weight as you build.There are- wide designs and stretch designs.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_ _______________________________=0AFrom: K5YAC =0ATo: pietenp ol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:10:36 PM=0ASub YAC" =0A=0AI am in the very early stages of deciding which k it I would like to build and I have more than a few questions about the Pie tenpol.- I really like the style, and it seems like something that I woul d enjoy building.- I've read several books on kit building and have also built scale R/C models for over 20 years... hopefully these skills will hel p as I proceed to the next levels of building.=0A=0AThe top question on my mind is... Can I fly this aircraft?- I am 6'5" tall and 250 pounds.- Fr om what I've read, the weight should not pose a real problem in this aircra ft, but how about my height?- Can a tall fellow manipulate the controls, or will I feel like I'm crammed into a C-150 (or worse)?- If I can find o ut that a person of my stature can indeed comfortably fly this type of craf t, I will be leaning heavily in favor of this design.- Perhaps the cockpi t can be modified slightly by the builder to accommodate his stature?- =0A=0AThanks in advance for any information the group can offer, and I hope to get to know you all a little better in the near future.=0A=0A-------- =0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matro -======================== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie From: "K5YAC" Thanks for the response Jack. Yes, I do understand that this is a scratch build. I think (hope) that I possess many of the skills required to take on a project of this sort. I guess I'll find out soon enough. Regardless, I'm sure I'll have questions since I've never done this before. My location? I am in Owasso, Oklahoma... just a few miles northeast of Tulsa. I suppose I could add that info to my signature. I recently joined EAA Chapter 10 at Gundy's airport, but I haven't had the opportunity to meet many of the members. I plan to attend our Saturday morning fly-in breakfast, where I will hopefully get to meet some of the crew. I'm sure they will be willing to help point me in the right direction. I hear ya on the long runway part. I don't plan to put adults up front too often. Maybe the wife once in a while, but this project is mostly for me and my 5 year old son. If I need to carry much more, I'll go rent a Cherokee. Hopefully that won't be necessary too often. I'll have to put Broadhead on the list. We sure would like to go to Air Venture... if we find a way to make it, perhaps we can plan to stop in. Honestly, if I'm serious about having a plane of my own, I should probably use the funds I would spend on that trip to purchase needed materials. Thanks again for the info! -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230869#230869 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:50:17 PM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Newbie Hi Mark, I am 6'2" and was too cramped with the passenger cockpit in front... So I removed it, moved the panel forward about 3 or 4 inches, and moved the rudder bar forward... Now I have lots of room!!!! But, have to fly alone...... Cheers! Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie I am in the very early stages of deciding which kit I would like to build and I have more than a few questions about the Pietenpol. I really like the style, and it seems like something that I would enjoy building. I've read several books on kit building and have also built scale R/C models for over 20 years... hopefully these skills will help as I proceed to the next levels of building. The top question on my mind is... Can I fly this aircraft? I am 6'5" tall and 250 pounds. From what I've read, the weight should not pose a real problem in this aircraft, but how about my height? Can a tall fellow manipulate the controls, or will I feel like I'm crammed into a C-150 (or worse)? If I can find out that a person of my stature can indeed comfortably fly this type of craft, I will be leaning heavily in favor of this design. Perhaps the cockpit can be modified slightly by the builder to accommodate his stature? Thanks in advance for any information the group can offer, and I hope to get to know you all a little better in the near future. -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230861#230861 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:49 PM PST US From: Dog67@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead International Hey Steve - Nice stickers - I like the idea. If ya'll are going to Osh this year, and need a place to stop on the way - I moved to Denver and have room. Let me know Cheers jon apfelbaum In a message dated 2/9/2009 1:15:09 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, steve@byu.edu writes: All Pietenpolers! The snow and the gray skies has got me thinking about summer, and our 80th Anniversary plans. I am excited to make the trip to Brodhead and sit round the campfire and enjoy the misty mornings in the early light of day. Like the rest of you I=99m face with the challenge of arranging vacat ion, family and means to make the trip happen. I have three aims for this trip. 1) Teach my boys (Dallin, age 9, and Crandall, age 11) how to dream big and wo rk hard. 2) Show them the beauty of America =93 Low and Slow style. 3) teach them to give generously. While I=99m working on another round of baseball caps and an annivers ary patch, My boys and I came up with the idea they can help with. Crandall a nd Dallin, (with a little help from Dad) present the soon-to-be-famous =98Brodhead International=99 sticker! To honor EAA chapter 431 and give somethi ng back to our hosts who so kindly and graciously invite us back every year, we are donating $1 per order sold, to them. Here is the design. Size is 4x6 in Black and white. $5 each or 3 for $10 Shipping included. Send checks to: Crandall or Dallin Eldredge 2810 E Canyon Rd Spanish Fork, UT 84660 **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcnt usyelp00000003) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:00 PM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie Mark, I'm 6'3" and 230# Cockpits not very roomy, but it's OK. Many have modified the fuse by widening it 2". Just keep in mind there are alot of other mods that go along with the widening. Deffinitely build the long fuse, not the short. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie > > I am in the very early stages of deciding which kit I would like to build > and I have more than a few questions about the Pietenpol. I really like > the style, and it seems like something that I would enjoy building. I've > read several books on kit building and have also built scale R/C models > for over 20 years... hopefully these skills will help as I proceed to the > next levels of building. > > The top question on my mind is... Can I fly this aircraft? I am 6'5" tall > and 250 pounds. From what I've read, the weight should not pose a real > problem in this aircraft, but how about my height? Can a tall fellow > manipulate the controls, or will I feel like I'm crammed into a C-150 (or > worse)? If I can find out that a person of my stature can indeed > comfortably fly this type of craft, I will be leaning heavily in favor of > this design. Perhaps the cockpit can be modified slightly by the builder > to accommodate his stature? > > Thanks in advance for any information the group can offer, and I hope to > get to know you all a little better in the near future. > > -------- > Mark > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230861#230861 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie From: amsafetyc@aol.com FYI Jim Markle is in Pryor OK and building his Piet a great guy and always welcomes another builder to chat with. If you get serious go visit Jim Just do tell him I said anything good about him John ------Original Message------ From: Phillips, Jack Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Feb 18, 2009 2:32 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Newbie Height is not usually a problem. There is plenty of headroom. Legroom might be a bit more of a problem, but you can modify the design as need be to fit into it. I'm 200 lbs and 6'2" and I fit in mine just fine. Weight is more of an issue than you think, and with you and an equally heavy passenger, you will need a long runway. I suggest you try to find one locally and try it on for size, or better yet, go to Brodhead this summer for the annual Pietenpol Fly-In and try on several of them. No two are alike. You do realize this is not a "kitplane" don't you? It does go together pretty much like a big model airplane so you should have no problem building it. Where are you located, Mark? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie I am in the very early stages of deciding which kit I would like to build and I have more than a few questions about the Pietenpol. I really like the style, and it seems like something that I would enjoy building. I've read several books on kit building and have also built scale R/C models for over 20 years... hopefully these skills will help as I proceed to the next levels of building. The top question on my mind is... Can I fly this aircraft? I am 6'5" tall and 250 pounds. From what I've read, the weight should not pose a real problem in this aircraft, but how about my height? Can a tall fellow manipulate the controls, or will I feel like I'm crammed into a C-150 (or worse)? If I can find out that a person of my stature can indeed comfortably fly this type of craft, I will be leaning heavily in favor of this design. Perhaps the cockpit can be modified slightly by the builder to accommodate his stature? Thanks in advance for any information the group can offer, and I hope to get to know you all a little better in the near future. -------- Mark _________________________________________________ or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:51 PM PST US From: pietn38b@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie Mark I live just north of you in Collinsville ande belong to Chapter 10 also. I keep my Piet at Sandridge airport and would be glad to show it to you and try it on. It is a Corvair powered, standard would fuselage. You can contact me at 371-9624 or 694-2069. Jim Ballew In a message dated 2/18/2009 2:09:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, k5yac@cox.net writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" Thanks for the response Jack. Yes, I do understand that this is a scratch build. I think (hope) that I possess many of the skills required to take on a project of this sort. I guess I'll find out soon enough. Regardless, I'm sure I'll have questions since I've never done this before. My location? I am in Owasso, Oklahoma... just a few miles northeast of Tulsa. I suppose I could add that info to my signature. I recently joined EAA Chapter 10 at Gundy's airport, but I haven't had the opportunity to meet many of the members. I plan to attend our Saturday morning fly-in breakfast, where I will hopefully get to meet some of the crew. I'm sure they will be willing to help point me in the right direction. I hear ya on the long runway part. I don't plan to put adults up front too often. Maybe the wife once in a while, but this project is mostly for me and my 5 year old son. If I need to carry much more, I'll go rent a Cherokee. Hopefully that won't be necessary too often. I'll have to put Broadhead on the list. We sure would like to go to Air Venture... if we find a way to make it, perhaps we can plan to stop in. Honestly, if I'm serious about having a plane of my own, I should probably use the funds I would spend on that trip to purchase needed materials. Thanks again for the info! -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230869#230869 **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail surfaces From: "Mild Bill" The curvature gives a mild impression of an airfoil cross section. If you don't mind a slight increase in weight, you could thicken the leading and trailing edges to make the tailplane a flat plate with rounded edges and you wouldn't notice the difference in aerodynamic performance or behavior. (But actually every ounce counts - little things like pulling all the nails out of gussets after the adhesive cures do add up, or perhaps could more properly be said to subtract down.) It appears that shimming is desirable to make the areas under the fittings the same depth as the back face of the horizontal stabilizer's trailing edge. The plans indicate that the bottom of the vertical fin is straight all the way, skating off the top of the horizontal stabilizer to leave a gap over the curvature at the front. Just part of the charm of a Pietenpol Air Camper. [Wink] -------- Bill Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230993#230993 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.