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1. 05:04 AM - Re: Re: Newbie (H RULE)
2. 05:34 AM - Re: Tail surfaces (Glenn Thomas)
3. 05:49 AM - Another Question on Empennage.. (Glenn Thomas)
4. 10:14 AM - Re: Another Question on Empennage.. (helspersew@aol.com)
5. 10:33 AM - Re: Another Question on Empennage.. (Ben Charvet)
6. 10:41 AM - Oklahoma Piets (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
7. 10:46 AM - Re: Another Question on Empennage.. (Phillips, Jack)
8. 11:08 AM - Re: Another Question on Empennage.. (Glenn Thomas)
9. 11:36 AM - Re: Oklahoma Piets (K5YAC)
10. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: Newbie -- Pilot height (Tim Willis)
11. 12:02 PM - Re: Oklahoma Piets (TOM STINEMETZE)
12. 12:51 PM - Re: Re: Newbie -- Pilot height (walt)
13. 01:02 PM - Newby-spruce (helspersew@aol.com)
14. 01:40 PM - Re: Newby-spruce (Scott Knowlton)
15. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: Oklahoma Piets (Ryan Mueller)
16. 05:06 PM - Re: Re: Oklahoma Piets (shad bell)
17. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: Newbie -- Pilot height (H RULE)
18. 06:05 PM - Re: Re: Oklahoma Piets (H RULE)
19. 07:04 PM - Re: Re Piet Dihedral (Mild Bill)
20. 07:13 PM - Re: Another Question on Empennage.. (Mild Bill)
21. 09:32 PM - Re: Another Question on Empennage.. (Glenn Thomas)
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In my case,the way-my plane was built it is only good for me.I am 5'4" on
a good day.Nobody else can get in it and fly that is taller than me.Mine i
s a GN-1 Aircamper which is kind of like a Pietenpol.=0A=0A=0Ado not archiv
e=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "pietn38b@aol.com"
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ebruary 18, 2009 7:39:04 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie=0A=0A
Mark=0A=0AI live just north of you in Collinsville ande belong to Chapter 1
0 also.- I keep my Piet at Sandridge airport and would be glad to show it
to you and try it on.- It is a Corvair powered, standard would fuselage.
- You can contact me at 371-9624 or 694-2069.- Jim Ballew=0A=0AIn a mes
sage dated 2/18/2009 2:09:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, k5yac@cox.net writ
anks for the response Jack.- Yes, I do understand that this is a scratch
build.- I think (hope) that I possess many of the skills required to take
on a project of this sort.- I guess I'll find out soon enough.- Regard
less, I'm sure I'll have questions since I've never done this before.=0A=0A
My location?- I am in Owasso, Oklahoma... just a few miles northeast of T
ulsa.- I suppose I could add that info to my signature.- I recently joi
ned EAA Chapter 10 at Gundy's airport, but I haven't had the opportunity to
meet many of the members.- I plan to attend our Saturday morning fly-in
breakfast, where I will hopefully get to meet some of the crew.- I'm sure
they will be willing to help point me in the right direction.=0A=0AI hear
ya on the long runway part.- I don't plan to put adults up front too ofte
n.- Maybe the wife once in a while, but this project is mostly for me and
my 5 year old son.- If I need to carry much more, I'll go rent a Cheroke
e.- Hopefully that won't be necessary too often.- =0A=0AI'll have to pu
t Broadhead on the list.- We sure would like to go to Air Venture... if w
e find a way to make it, perhaps we can plan to stop in.- Honestly, if I'
m serious about having a plane of my own, I should probably use the funds I
would spend on that trip to purchase needed materials.- =0A=0AThanks aga
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| Subject: | Re: Tail surfaces |
Since I am in the thick of the tailfeathers right now I'll add my experience with
them. The pieces where the hinges attach are 1" x 1" before you rabbet out
the profile shown on the plans. If you made it all flat, I would not recommend
making anything thinner than on the plans. That means that the LE and TE
would all have to be 1" x 1". TE piece is only 5/8" on plans which means that
you would be adding 3/8" to it's thickness. I think it would look awful and
be heavier in a place where weight is the last thing you would want to add. I
found a method that is pretty easy to work with, follows the plans and looks
very nice as well (at least it does to me).
This shows how I started the stabilizer...
http://www.flyingwood.com/index.asp?page=6&filter=0
I did the rabbets with a router on the stabilizer but found a tablesaw much easier
when I did the elevators which are shown here....
http://www.flyingwood.com/index.asp?page=3&filter=0
I just think you would regret the weight penalty and appearance if you went with
the 1" x 1" dimension all around.
My $0.02
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N?????
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| Subject: | Another Question on Empennage.. |
I have the members for the rudder and vertical stabilizer layed out on the jig
with their ultimate positions marked out. One thing I was wondering about is
as follows.. The dimensions on the plans show the dimensions for the rudder height
and fin height as if they butted up flush against each other. Has anyone
found that, with the gap due to hinges, that their rudder extends below the bottom
of the fuselage? If you project the angle of the top of the rudder to where
the curvature begins on the fin, it would make you have to lower the rudder
a bit (1/2" - 3/4")? In that case I would rather just make the rudder a little
shorter.
Thanks
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Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
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| Subject: | Re: Another Question on Empennage.. |
Glenn,
Yes, my rudder ended up that much longer (below) my fuselage. Does not look good.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Thomas <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
Sent: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 7:48 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Question on Empennage..
I have the members for the rudder and vertical stabilizer layed out on the jig
with their ultimate positions marked out. One thing I was wondering about is as
follows.. The dimensions on the plans show the dimensions for the rudder height
and fin height as if they butted up flush against each other. Has anyone found
that, with the gap due to hinges, that their rudder extends below the bottom of
the fuselage? If you project the angle of the top of the rudder to where the
curvature begins on the fin, it would make you have to lower the rudder a bit
(1/2" - 3/4")? In that case I would rather just make the rudder a little
shorter.
Thanks
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Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
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| Subject: | Re: Another Question on Empennage.. |
I made my rudder and fin about 3 inches taller than the plans, after
hearing an old Piet flyer say that he had a problem losing rudder
authority on flare due to his body blanking out the rudder in high angle
of attack situations. When I laid out my jig I extended the dimensions
as needed, allowed for the 1 inch thickness of the stab, and the
dimension of the tailpost, along with the hinge gap, so that it all came
out looking pretty good when mounted. All of my other stock dimensions
for the wood parts are to the plans.
Ben Charvet
second wing covered, stitched, and only needing perimeter tapes before
painting.
Glenn Thomas wrote:
>
> I have the members for the rudder and vertical stabilizer layed out on the jig
with their ultimate positions marked out. One thing I was wondering about is
as follows.. The dimensions on the plans show the dimensions for the rudder
height and fin height as if they butted up flush against each other. Has anyone
found that, with the gap due to hinges, that their rudder extends below the
bottom of the fuselage? If you project the angle of the top of the rudder to
where the curvature begins on the fin, it would make you have to lower the rudder
a bit (1/2" - 3/4")? In that case I would rather just make the rudder a
little shorter.
>
> Thanks
>
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> Glenn Thomas
> N?????
> http://www.flyingwood.com
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> Read this topic online here:
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You could also go see aviation guru/historian, nice guy Chet Peek in Norman, OK
who is well along
building his Model A Ford Piet.
Mark--If you do build a Pietenpol make sure to build the long version--the 1966
fuselage, otherwise
you'll never fit. The earlier fuselages are approximately 9.5" shorter in over
all length and leg
room and bifocal room is compromised.
Also-- consider using an 0-200 to get you safely out of airports on hot days where
you have tall
trees at the end.
Also--consider making the wing longer for more lift because with your weight you'll
need it.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Another Question on Empennage.. |
I was looking for pictures of mine. As I recall, I made my rudder and
fin exactly to the plans, but then I cut off the bottom corner of the
ruddderand made it a flat in line with the bottom of the fuselage. I
wasn't worried about looks as much as I was concerned about the
tailwheel hitting something and bouncing into the rudder.
Here is a photo taken last summer as I was leaving Brodhead that shows
the bottom of the rudder. You can see that I just basically ground a
flat on the point at the bottom:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Question on Empennage..
Glenn,
Yes, my rudder ended up that much longer (below) my fuselage. Does not
look good.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Thomas <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
Sent: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 7:48 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Question on Empennage..
glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
I have the members for the rudder and vertical stabilizer layed out on
the jig
with their ultimate positions marked out. One thing I was wondering
about is as
follows.. The dimensions on the plans show the dimensions for the rudder
height
and fin height as if they butted up flush against each other. Has
anyone found
that, with the gap due to hinges, that their rudder extends below the
bottom of
the fuselage? If you project the angle of the top of the rudder to
where the
curvature begins on the fin, it would make you have to lower the rudder
a bit
(1/2" - 3/4")? In that case I would rather just make the rudder a
little
shorter.
Thanks
--------
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N?????
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| Subject: | Re: Another Question on Empennage.. |
Dan/Jack,
I think it's all because the plans don't account for the hinge gap, thanks for
confirming my suspicion. I'll probably plan for a 5/8" hinge gap and recalculate
the rudder height. I doubt it shows under the stabilizer and elevators and
when you're far enough away to see it, you don't.
Ben,
Sounds like you are 6+ feet tall. Is that the case? I was just planning on making
mine standard size, but then I'm just average height (5' 10"). I've heard
that tall guy's torso's out in the slipstream interferes with the rudder effectiveness.
Anybody my size have a problem with the standard rudder?
Thanks to all for ideas and comments.
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| Subject: | Re: Oklahoma Piets |
Thanks for the info Mike. I've received several replies to my initial post. I
sure do appreciate the warm welcome, and the genuine nature of all who have responded
here and via e-mail. I've had my nose buried in several different articles
and threads. Sure are a lot of these ol birds out there. Good to know.
A few of the folks that have responded are locals that have invited me to come
visit and see their plane or project. There are at least 3 completed and 3 more
under construction in my local area that I've learned of since yesterday.
Jim Ballew is just a few miles north of my location. I spoke to him briefly on
the phone earlier today, and I plan to go visit with him tomorrow evening.
Really looking forward to that.
Here are a few more questions for anyone who wants to chime in. Maybe I'll come
across the answer to these questions as I continue to read, but right now I'm
unclear...
You mention the O-200 engine. How about the Corvair? I've been reading about
those, and from what I gather they are powerful and reliable. This would be a
suitable substitute for the O-200, right?
What about spruce kits? At this point I really don't know where to get good quality
wood locally (I'll probably learn as I visit more), but I've also read about
pre-cut spruce kits that are available for this planform. I would be interested
in the time savings that a high quality pre-cut wood kit might offer.
I spoke to a Canadian company that wants $2500 for the wing, fuse and empannage...
worth the money?
Thanks again!
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Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie -- Pilot height |
Mark,
Definitely try on a long fuze for size. I am under 6'2" but have disprportiately
long legs. A long fuze is still too short for me, but it works after I opened
up the shin holes into the front cockpit. Also, you must be concerned about
your knees hitting the bottom edge of the instrument panel. Note the details
on the one you try on.
Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | Re: Oklahoma Piets |
>>What about spruce kits? worth the money?
>>Mark
Mark:
I purchased my spruce kit from Aircraft Spruce and Specialty Co http://www.
aircraftspruce.com/ and was very satisfied. I say this knowing that you
will soon get some responses that are the opposite of this. The "kit" is
just pre-cut spruce in several sizes which you still have to route or
dado, etc. to make your parts. No plywood or wing rib cap strip material
is included so you have to plan for those separately. You will also need
additional spruce to make the fuse side standoffs as well as replace the
parts you screw up. (voice of experience) I'm sure that the price has
gone up by now but my kit was right around $1,000.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie -- Pilot height |
Tim,
Good point, I'm 6'3" and fit alright. You reminded me that I had to open
the height of the leg holes for my shins. But I made the seat per plans and
how much of me sticks out on top seems to be alright.
The front seat is quite a bit higher
See this vid. Me in back>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLrIDeDLR48
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Willis" <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie -- Pilot height
> <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>
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> Mark,
>
> Definitely try on a long fuze for size. I am under 6'2" but have
> disprportiately long legs. A long fuze is still too short for me, but it
> works after I opened up the shin holes into the front cockpit. Also, you
> must be concerned about your knees hitting the bottom edge of the
> instrument panel. Note the details on the one you try on.
>
> Tim in central TX
>
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Hi Mark,
I would recommend buying the "bargain bag of spruce" from Aircraft Spruce if you
have a good table saw. There are many good usable pieces that you can cut down
to fit your needs. When I bought the price was only $12.00.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Newby-spruce |
I just picked a bargain bag up at our Aircraft Spruce in Brantford Ontario on Bill
Churches suggestion. It was $48 Canadian but it was huge! 5 feet long with
6 boards each 6 x 1 inch. Other than the three long pieces of the horizontal
stab you have enough wood to make the entire empenage with a bunch leftover.
Scott Knowlton
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newby-spruce
Hi Mark,
I would recommend buying the "bargain bag of spruce" from Aircraft Spruce if you
have a good table saw. There are many good usable pieces that you can cut down
to fit your needs. When I bought the price was only $12.00.
Dan Helsper
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| Subject: | Re: Oklahoma Piets |
Mark,
The Corvair is an excellent substitute for the O-200. Check out William
Wynne's website for more information than you ever wanted to know about
"Corvaircraft" engines:
http://www.flycorvair.com/corvair.html
Ryan
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:35 PM, K5YAC <k5yac@cox.net> wrote:
>
> You mention the O-200 engine. How about the Corvair? I've been reading
> about those, and from what I gather they are powerful and reliable. This
> would be a suitable substitute for the O-200, right?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oklahoma Piets |
Mark, the Corvair is a good alternative to the 0-200.- Supposidly it has
a bit more HP than an 0-200 (as per William Wynne's elaborate testing on a
Dynomometer), as far as torque ratings between the two I am not sure.- Ta
ke a look at his web site flycorvair.com .- You can build a Corvair for l
ess money granted you don't have a real good inexpensive lead to an 0-200.
- Both are good choices, but there will be some more tinkering with the c
orvair initially.- After you get the corvair set up, just change the plug
s every 100-200 hrs or so and change the oil.- Parts are much cheaper for
the Corvair also.- There are some very important things to watch out for
if you build a corvair.- Contact me off list if you like and I can go in
to greater detail, that way I dont clog everyones inbox with info they don'
t need or want.
-
Shad Bell
aviatorbell@yahoo.com
ps we have been flying a Corvair for 3 years and have about 170hrs on it no
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie -- Pilot height |
When you get to the wing you will have to make a dicision there as well as
to whether or not you are going to cut a piece out of the wing or as in my
case I cut a flip door with hinges.I have the three piece wing set up so it
was easy for me to modify it.Before modification I had to do the Limbo to
get into my aircraft.You may or may not need a step to get in as well.I of
course needed one being a short ass.Enjoy and up date us often on your buil
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=0ATim,=0AGood point, I'm 6'3" and fit alright.- You reminded me that I h
ad to open the height of the leg holes for my shins. But I made the seat pe
r plans and how much of me sticks out on top seems to be alright.=0AThe fro
nt seat is quite a bit higher=0ASee this vid. Me in back>=0Ahttp://www.yout
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=0A> Mark,=0A> =0A> Definitely try on a long fuze for size.- I am under
6'2" but have disprportiately long legs.- A long fuze is still too short
for me, but it works after I opened up the shin holes into the front cockpi
t.- Also, you must be concerned about your knees hitting the bottom edge
of the instrument panel.- Note the details on the one you try on.=0A> =0A
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| Subject: | Re: Oklahoma Piets |
Strange aircraft with a strange name;freeked me out when-I first heard of
the Pietenpol!What in hell is that?Weird name for an aircraft but after be
ing involved with it for a few years and since I fly it's cousin the GN-1 A
ircamper(another weird name).I still have lots of other pilots up here come
up to me and ask what it is and they never ever heard of the plane.Most of
the old guys have though and they appreciate it much more than the younger
ones.I guess because it reminds them of their younger years.Some just thin
k it's a pile of junk but to me it's beautiful.=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: K5YAC <k5yac@cox.net>
=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:3
5:33 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Oklahoma Piets=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-Li
st message posted by: "K5YAC" <k5yac@cox.net>=0A=0AThanks for the info Mike
.- I've received several replies to my initial post.- I sure do appreci
ate the warm welcome, and the genuine nature of all who have responded here
and via e-mail.- I've had my nose buried in several different articles a
nd threads.- Sure are a lot of these ol birds out there.- Good to know.
=0A=0AA few of the folks that have responded are locals that have invited
me to come visit and see their plane or project.- There are at least 3 co
mpleted and 3 more under construction in my local area that I've learned of
since yesterday.- Jim Ballew is just a few miles north of my location.
- I spoke to him briefly on the phone earlier today, and I plan to go vis
it with him tomorrow evening.- Really looking forward to that.- =0A=0AH
ere are a few more questions for anyone who wants to chime in.- Maybe I'l
l come across the answer to these questions as I continue to read, but righ
t now I'm unclear...=0A=0AYou mention the O-200 engine.- How about the Co
rvair?- I've been reading about those, and from what I gather they are po
werful and reliable.- This would be a suitable substitute for the O-200,
right?=0A=0AWhat about spruce kits?- At this point I really don't know wh
ere to get good quality wood locally (I'll probably learn as I visit more),
but I've also read about pre-cut spruce kits that are available for this p
lanform.- I would be interested in the time savings that a high quality p
re-cut wood kit might offer.- I spoke to a Canadian company that wants $2
500 for the wing, fuse and empannage... worth the money?=0A=0AThanks again!
=0A=0A--------=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp:
//forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231090#231090=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Re Piet Dihedral |
ktmaustin(at)sbcglobal.ne wrote:
> Hi Bill,
> I guess that was a bit cryptic.
> The one piece wing implies no dihedral.
> This doesn't add up to much stability in the roll axis.
> You don't really notice it but if you look down at the stick while you're flying
it is pretty much constantly moving.
> My friend that grew up on Cub's termed it 'the butter churn'.
> Taking the dihedral out of a plane does seem to make it faster.
> Kevin
>
>
One of my Dad's friends took all the dihedral and washout out of the wings of a
Piper Tri-Pacer. It was good for about a 3 to 4 mph increase in cruise speed
and the handling characteristics were not seriously affected. (There was still
some dihedral effect because of the enclosed cabin.)
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Bill Frank
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| Subject: | Re: Another Question on Empennage.. |
Thought I'd start a little fire, then throw some gasoline on it:
Put a V-tail on a Pietenpol and the size of the pilot would have no effect on the
effectiveness of the tail surfaces. :D
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Bill Frank
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| Subject: | Re: Another Question on Empennage.. |
I think this will work... I am making the rudder 1/2" shorter than plans. If I
still end up too long I'll do what Jack did. If I come up too short, I can make
up the amount with a small strip of spruce and some glue. I think it will
come out pretty close though.
Thanks for the ideas.
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Glenn Thomas
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http://www.flyingwood.com
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