---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/21/09: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:52 AM - Re: Re Tail dimensions (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 03:37 AM - Pietenpols around the world report (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 05:22 AM - Re: Re: Oklahoma Piets (Jack Phillips) 4. 06:54 AM - Re: Re Tail dimensions (H RULE) 5. 07:21 AM - Birthday? (Lawrence Williams) 6. 07:36 AM - Re: Pietenpols around the world report (Tim Willis) 7. 07:38 AM - airplane building and mental hospitals (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 8. 08:13 AM - Re: Birthday? (Jim Markle) 9. 08:14 AM - Re: airplane building and mental hospitals-- YES! (Tim Willis) 10. 09:39 AM - Re: Birthday? (Roy Brooks) 11. 09:39 AM - Re: airplane building and mental hospitals-- YES! (Mild Bill) 12. 11:02 AM - Re: airplane building and mental hospitals (H RULE) 13. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: Another Question on Empennage.. (Michael Perez) 14. 11:10 AM - Re: Birthday? (H RULE) 15. 11:14 AM - Re: airplane building and mental hospitals (Michael Perez) 16. 11:17 AM - Happy Birthday Jim Markle (Oscar Zuniga) 17. 11:32 AM - Jim isn't a Yankee....least I don't think so (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 18. 11:47 AM - Re: airplane building and mental hospitals (Clif Dawson) 19. 11:55 AM - Re: Birthday? (Clif Dawson) 20. 01:44 PM - Re: Happy Birthday Jim Markle (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Tail dimensions From: helspersew@aol.com Cliff, I like all your woodwork details; lightening holes, fairings and tapers etc. Very nice work you should be proud of. Everything obviously well thought out. Nice job. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. NX929DH -----Original Message----- From: Clif Dawson Sent: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:03 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Tail dimensions I have made mine to the F+G manual and this is the result; ? Also there was discussion on flops. This is mine. It will be clear plexi top and bottom. ? Easy strong arm airbrake too!? :-) ? Clif The dimensions for the various parts which the rudder attaches to do not add up If you build the fin & fuse according to the plans, then the rudder will hang down below the bottom of the fuse by around 11/2 inches. ? Thanks Graham Hewitt href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c - Release Date: 02/20/09 19:22:00 [Image Removed] [Image Removed] [Image Removed] ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols around the world report From: helspersew@aol.com Hello all, I just reviewed an old email from October that I received from Santiago Morete in Santa Rosa Argentina. As you might remember he was lucky enough to be able to come up here and visit with us?at Brodhead and OSH last year. He reports that Pietenpols are becoming more popular down there and as many as 15 are under construction as we speak. One of these fellows saw his wing hanging in the club hangar at their airport and contacted him. They got together at Santiago's workshop to observe and discuss the fuselage construction. They are both going to use the Model A. Santaigo says these engines are plentiful down there. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. NX929DH ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:42 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Oklahoma Piets Sounds like you're doing all the right steps, Mark. Enjoy the process, and the Pietenpol community. You won't find a better bunch of folks than Pietenpol folks. As much as I enjoyed building and now enjoy flying my Pietenpol, the best part of the process has been the friends that I've met through this wonderful airplane. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 7:54 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Oklahoma Piets FedEx dropped off my Tony Bingelis book set tonight, and I placed an order for William Wynne's "Corvair Conversion" last night. Should have plenty of reading material to help me along the way. I think I'll go ahead an order the plans tonight so I can start studying them as well. I got to talk to William Wynne for a bit on the phone last night, and I also got to visit with Jim Ballew in Collinsville today. I'm having fun already. -------- Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231280#231280 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:07 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Tail dimensions love the foliage in the background, nice touch, not to mention a beautiful aircraft!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Clif Dawso n =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:03:08 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Tail dimens ions=0A=0A=0AI have made mine to the F+G manual and this is the result;=0A -=0AAlso there was discussion on flops. This is mine. It will be=0Aclear plexi top and bottom.=0A-=0AEasy strong arm airbrake too!- :-)=0A-=0A Clif=0A=0A=0AThe dimensions for the various parts which the rudder attaches to do not add up=0AIf you build the fin & fuse according to the plans, the n the rudder will hang down below the bottom of the fuse by around 11/2 inc hes.=0A-=0AThanks Graham Hewitt=0A=0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref ="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c=0A=0A ________________________________=0A- Release Date: 02/20/09 19:22:00=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:13 AM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: Birthday? Jim- - OK, how did everybody on the Piet list know that it was your birthday excep t ME? - I say,"Skip the cake & ice cream and finish the Piet!". - Don't let another year go by without your airplane being in the air. Just d o it! - Our little airport is having a fabric & tailwheel fly-in the second weekend in June and I'd be happy to play host to any of the Pietenpol fraternity. It isn't that far for you and I'd like to see you again. Let me know......a nd pass the word. - Happy Birthday, kid. - Larry=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:45 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols around the world report We have already seen enough to know that Santiago will have a beautiful Piet. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: helspersew@aol.com >Sent: Feb 21, 2009 5:28 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols around the world report > >Hello all, > >I just reviewed an old email from October that I received from Santiago Morete in Santa Rosa Argentina. As you might remember he was lucky enough to be able to come up here and visit with us?at Brodhead and OSH last year. He reports that Pietenpols are becoming more popular down there and as many as 15 are under construction as we speak. One of these fellows saw his wing hanging in the club hangar at their airport and contacted him. They got together at Santiago's workshop to observe and discuss the fuselage construction. They are both going to use the Model A. Santaigo says these engines are plentiful down there. > >Dan Helsper >Poplar Grove, IL. >NX929DH ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:57 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: airplane building and mental hospitals I think you're right Chris Tracy about the mental hospital thing when people hear you are building an airplane but they upgrade you to looney tunes and permanent insanity when you tell them that in addition to building you plan on FLYING it. So much for ignorant bystanders. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:59 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Birthday? Ok you guys!!! Enough already! You're embarassing me! But thanks for all the nice thoughts. A couple of you knucklheads are going to hear from me offline!!! :-) It's a bit chilly in Northeastern Oklahoma today but I think I'll go put some wood in the stove and get my shop warming up...this would be a good day to work on a Model A engine mount! One more thing. These recent paint/latex/stitts/etc discussions? Great! Thanks for all the good advice. That thread was very helpful. Cheers to all.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Williams To: Jim Markle ; Pietlist Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Birthday? Jim- OK, how did everybody on the Piet list know that it was your birthday except ME? I say,"Skip the cake & ice cream and finish the Piet!". Don't let another year go by without your airplane being in the air. Just do it! Our little airport is having a fabric & tailwheel fly-in the second weekend in June and I'd be happy to play host to any of the Pietenpol fraternity. It isn't that far for you and I'd like to see you again. Let me know......and pass the word. Happy Birthday, kid. Larry ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:02 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: airplane building and mental hospitals-- YES! Chris & Mike, You make a good points. Certain details enhance the effect. I think the word "wooden airplane" adds a lot to the drive to institutionalize the Piet builder. "According to a 1929 design" is a quaint phrase that makes listeners' jaws drop. "The plans are from the 'Flying & Glider magazine of 1932'" rings some crazy bells. "Full size" and "two place" assure understanding that the project is "a real airplane." That increases the impact of the phrase "Held together with glue"-- a good one, too, even by itself. For those so inclined, "powered by a Model A Ford engine" might get some measuring the builder for a straitjacket, as well. A picture of the radiator layout should be produced to enhance the Model A effect. "A rebuilt aircraft engine from 1946" is not bad... somewhat akin to "out of a Corvair," which brings to mind "Unsafe at any Speed," Ralph Nader's tome. "No real electrical system"... "hand-propping; no starter"... and "no radio" complete the picture. The finishing touch I like a lot is, "May I add you to my list of those wanting a ride?" That will get a Jehovah's Witness running away from the front door as quickly as saying, "We already go to the First Church of Satan." Just kidding there. All my family, including a couple treated for mental illness, think I am crazy re the Piet project. My wife Dixie has been telling all who ask, and many who do not, that to understand me and my flying motivation, you must watch "Second Hand Lions." For those who do not know, the two aging uncles (Robt. Duvall, M. Caine) end it all by flying a biplane upside down through a barn door too narrow for the plane. I tell all in the know that, since these old boys owned the plane and the barn, they obviously knew the plane was too wide to go through. It was either suicide or too much tequila. Come to think of it, must be tequila, since I think the movie was set in TX. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" >Sent: Feb 21, 2009 9:38 AM >To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" >Subject: Pietenpol-List: airplane building and mental hospitals > > > >I think you're right Chris Tracy about the mental hospital thing when people hear you are building >an airplane but they upgrade you to looney tunes and permanent insanity when you tell them that in >addition to building you plan on FLYING it. So much for ignorant bystanders. > >Mike C. > >do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:10 AM PST US From: Roy Brooks Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Birthday? Jim not only moved from our beloved TEXAS to Oklahoma=2C dainged if he didn 't move to NORTH EAST OkiHoma. That makes him a Yankee=2C right up there w ith Mike in Ohio. (Ohio=2C Oklahoma... same thing) From: jim_markle@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Birthday? Ok you guys!!! Enough already! You're embarassing me! But thanks for all the nice thoughts. A couple of you knucklheads are going to hear from me offline!!! :-) It's a bit chilly in Northeastern Oklahoma today but I think I'll go put some wood in the stove and get my shop warming up.. .this would be a good day to work on a Model A engine mount! One more thing. These recent paint/latex/stitts/etc discussions? Great! Thanks for all the good advice. That thread was very helpful. Cheers to all.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Williams To: Jim Markle =3B Pietlist Sent: Saturday=2C February 21=2C 2009 9:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Birthday? Jim- OK=2C how did everybody on the Piet list know that it was your birthday except ME? I say=2C"Skip the cake & ice cream and finish the Piet!". Don't let another year go by without your airplane being in the air. Just do it! Our little airport is having a fabric & tailwheel fly-in the second weekend in June and I'd be happy to play host to any of the Pietenpol fraternity. It isn't that far for you and I'd like to see you again. Let me know......and pass the word. Happy Birthday=2C kid. Larry href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99: Discover 10 secrets about the new Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!5 50F681DAD532637!7540.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_ugc_post_022009 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: airplane building and mental hospitals-- YES! From: "Mild Bill" Ah, I see - from the public's point of view, "certifiable" applies to the person, not the airplane. :D -------- Bill Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231390#231390 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:11 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: airplane building and mental hospitals Just imagine what they thought of the Wright Brothers!!!!Now there's a craz y duo!=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0AFrom: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" =0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" =0ASent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:38:23 AM=0ASubject: Pietenp ol-List: airplane building and mental hospitals=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List mes sage posted by: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" =0A=0A=0AI think you're right Chris Tracy about the m ental hospital thing when people hear you are building=0Aan airplane but th ey upgrade you to looney tunes and permanent insanity when you tell them th at in=0Aaddition to building you plan on FLYING it.- So much for ignorant ============ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:01 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Question on Empennage.. I have my vert. stab. built and had my rudder 90% done when I realized I did not incorporate a modification I wanted. I can't make it work as is, so I decided to start over. Good news is, this post shows up and I have now decided to wait until the fuse. is done and make the rudder to fit. (A blessing in disguise, if you will.) I am now varnishing my right wing instead. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:37 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Birthday? If they are Yankees then what in the heck are we up here in Ottawa Canada;l eaving myself wide open here-but I just got to know?=0A=0A=0Ado not archi ve=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Roy Brooks =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, Februar y 21, 2009 12:38:23 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Birthday?=0A=0AJim no t only moved from our beloved TEXAS to Oklahoma, dainged if he didn't move to NORTH- EAST OkiHoma. That makes him a Yankee, right up there with Mike in Ohio.-- (Ohio, Oklahoma... same thing)=0A=0A_______________________ _________=0AFrom: jim_markle@mindspring.com=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics. com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Birthday?=0ADate: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:13 :16 -0600=0A=0A=0AOk you guys!!! Enough already!- You're embarassing me! - But thanks for all the nice thoughts.=0A-=0AA couple of you knucklhea ds are going to hear from me offline!!!- :-)=0A-=0AIt's a bit chilly in Northeastern Oklahoma today but I think I'll go put some wood in the stove and get my shop warming up...this would be a good day to work on a Model A -engine mount!=0A-=0AOne more thing.- These recent paint/latex/stitts /etc discussions?- Great!- Thanks for all the good advice.- That thre ad was very helpful.=0A-=0ACheers to all....=0A-=0A-=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Lawrence Williams =0ATo: Jim Markle ; Pietlist =0AS ent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:20 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Birthda y?=0A=0AJim-=0A=0AOK, how did everybody on the Piet list know that it was y our birthday except ME?=0A=0AI say,"Skip the cake & ice cream and finish th e Piet!".=0A=0ADon't let another year go by without your airplane being in the air. Just do it!=0A=0AOur little airport is having a fabric & tailwheel fly-in the second weekend in June and I'd be happy to play host to any of the Pietenpol fraternity. It isn't that far for you and I'd like to see you again. Let me know......and pass the word.=0A=0AHappy Birthday, kid.=0A=0A Larry =0A=0A=0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahref="http://forums .matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics. com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c=0A=0A<="http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronicshref="http://www.matro nics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con======== ==========0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AWind ows Live=99: Discover 10 secrets about the new Windows Live. View post. =0A -======================== ================== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:10 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: airplane building and mental hospitals I've noticed that all I have to say is that I am going to make a modification the the original plans and KA-POW! Now I'm a nut! ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:06 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Happy Birthday Jim Markle The funny thing is=2C Jim was transferred to the mental hospital from a chi cken farm=2C and the chickens all thought he was kinda "different" too! An d rumor has it that he fattened up his chickens by mixing beer with their m ash. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:11 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jim isn't a Yankee....least I don't think so According to a very accomplished retired airline pilot friend of mine from Dallas, Jim Markle has moved to IT. (Indian Territory) Corky would be able to be the true judge in this case as he knows about these things. Don't tell anyone but Corky married a Yankee lady from Indiana and she's a fine person so for as much ribbing as I take from Corky about b eing a Yankee boy, he knows how to pick his women. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:47 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: airplane building and mental hospitals I think it's called fear. Next time you get that response ask a few questions. Some folks are just plain scared of anything that puts air under their feet ( like my ex ). Clif And then there's the guy at my RAA that angrily insists that EVERYONE must have a "see and avoid" electronic gadget regardless of what the flying contraption is. you tell them that in > addition to building you plan on FLYING it. So much for ignorant > bystanders. > > Mike C. > > do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:10 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Birthday? Esckimoo. Just like me in 58=B0 Vancouver. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: H RULE To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Birthday? If they are Yankees then what in the heck are we up here in Ottawa Canada;leaving myself wide open here but I just got to know? do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Roy Brooks To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:38:23 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Birthday? Jim not only moved from our beloved TEXAS to Oklahoma, dainged if he didn't move to NORTH EAST OkiHoma. That makes him a Yankee, right up there with Mike in Ohio. (Ohio, Oklahoma... same thing) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: jim_markle@mindspring.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Birthday? Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:13:16 -0600 Ok you guys!!! Enough already! You're embarassing me! But thanks for all the nice thoughts. A couple of you knucklheads are going to hear from me offline!!! :-) It's a bit chilly in Northeastern Oklahoma today but I think I'll go put some wood in the stove and get my shop warming up...this would be a good day to work on a Model A engine mount! One more thing. These recent paint/latex/stitts/etc discussions? Great! Thanks for all the good advice. That thread was very helpful. Cheers to all.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Williams To: Jim Markle ; Pietlist Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Birthday? Jim- OK, how did everybody on the Piet list know that it was your birthday except ME? I say,"Skip the cake & ice cream and finish the Piet!". Don't let another year go by without your airplane being in the air. Just do it! Our little airport is having a fabric & tailwheel fly-in the second weekend in June and I'd be happy to play host to any of the Pietenpol fraternity. It isn't that far for you and I'd like to see you again. Let me know......and pass the word. Happy Birthday, kid. Larry href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/c<="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenp ol-List">http://www.matronicshref="http://www.matronics.com/contributio n">http://www.matronics.com/con============== == ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Windows Live=99: Discover 10 secrets about the new Windows Live. 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