---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/22/09: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:08 AM - Re: airplane building and mental hospitals-- YES! (Clif Dawson) 2. 07:25 AM - Re: airplane building and mental hospitals (amsafetyc@aol.com) 3. 08:16 AM - Re: airplane building and mental hospitals (Mild Bill) 4. 09:48 AM - MILESTONE!!! (Jim Markle) 5. 09:51 AM - my favorite two questions about the Pietenpol at fly-in's (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 6. 10:05 AM - Re: MILESTONE!!! (amsafetyc@aol.com) 7. 10:09 AM - Re: my favorite two questions about the Pietenpol at fly-in's (amsafetyc@aol.com) 8. 11:25 AM - Re: my favorite two questions about the Pietenpol at fly-in's (H RULE) 9. 11:42 AM - Re: MILESTONE!!! (Gary Boothe) 10. 01:44 PM - Re: MILESTONE!!! (Rick Holland) 11. 03:11 PM - Re: Happy Birthday Jim Markle (Javier Cruz) 12. 03:21 PM - Metal turtledeck vs. fabric. (Gary Boothe) 13. 04:05 PM - NX1EE (Jeff Boatright) 14. 04:18 PM - Re: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric. (walt) 15. 05:11 PM - Re: Birthday? (Kip and Beth Gardner) 16. 06:09 PM - building and flying (Oscar Zuniga) 17. 06:20 PM - Re: building and flying (Jeff Boatright) 18. 06:48 PM - Gary Gower in Mexico (Oscar Zuniga) 19. 06:54 PM - Re: building and flying (Dick N.) 20. 07:01 PM - Re: building and flying (Patrick Panzera) 21. 07:01 PM - Re: Gary Gower in Mexico (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:10 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: airplane building and mental hospitals-- YES! Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old? Jim Tavenner > All my family, including a couple treated for mental illness, think I am > crazy re the Piet project. > > Tim in central TX > do not archive > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: airplane building and mental hospitals From: amsafetyc@aol.com The best I have gotten so far has been from one of my plant managers. A Jamaican man at our City of Industry plant who asked " do you have some sort of a death wish, mon?". All the rest have been rather subdued, you're building an airplane? Yes I am, oh that's nice, what kind? A Pietenpol, ohhhhh, what's that one of them radio model things? No, its a 2 place open cockpit aircraft, oh that's nice.....where are you building it? In my basement, a real airplane in your basement...... how are you going to get it out? I am gonna fly it out, oh I see, huh? Makes for interesting conversation especially the facial expressions that all result in the, this guy is some kind of a nut. I suppose! John ------Original Message------ From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Feb 21, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: airplane building and mental hospitals I think you're right Chris Tracy about the mental hospital thing when people hear you are building an airplane but they upgrade you to looney tunes and permanent insanity when you tell them that in addition to building you plan on FLYING it. So much for ignorant bystanders. Mike C. do not archive Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: airplane building and mental hospitals From: "Mild Bill" Amsafetyc wrote: > The best I have gotten so far has been from one of my plant managers. A Jamaican man at our City of Industry plant who asked " do you have some sort of a death wish, mon?". All the rest have been rather subdued, you're building an airplane? Yes I am, oh that's nice, what kind? A Pietenpol, ohhhhh, what's that one of them radio model things? No, its a 2 place open cockpit aircraft, oh that's nice.....where are you building it? In my basement, a real airplane in your basement...... how are you going to get it out? I am gonna fly it out, oh I see, huh? > > Makes for interesting conversation especially the facial expressions that all result in the, this guy is some kind of a nut. > > I suppose! > > John > --- Truly entertaining facial expressions were seen when people would ask my Dad where he was building his Tailwind and get the matter-of-fact reply, "In the basement of my funeral home." -------- Bill Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231496#231496 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:00 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Pietenpol-List: MILESTONE!!! Attached is a (small) picture of what started out this morning as a flat piece of aluminum...this building process is FUN! jm ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:20 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: my favorite two questions about the Pietenpol at fly-in's "so this is an ultralight, right ?" --or equally as frustrating-- "you don't need a pilot license to fly this do you ?" ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: MILESTONE!!! From: amsafetyc@aol.com Jim Nice look, wanna make another? Its amazing what can be accomplished when you pick up t he tools and make them go to work John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Pietenpol-List: MILESTONE!!! Attached is a (small) picture of what started out this morning as a flat piece of aluminum...this building process is FUN! jm ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my favorite two questions about the Pietenpol at fly-in's From: amsafetyc@aol.com One you can fly? By yourself? Let me know when the maiden voyage is. We want to see that one, maybe shoot some video might as well take advantage of the event or outcome. That came from my buddies I worked with in the tv and production business, always interested in some great B role. John ------Original Message------ From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Feb 22, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: my favorite two questions about the Pietenpol at fly-in's "so this is an ultralight, right ?" --or equally as frustrating-- "you don't need a pilot license to fly this do you ?" Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:25:48 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my favorite two questions about the Pietenpol at fly-in's In Canada it can be registered as an ultralight;mine is, but in Canada you do need an ultrlight licence to fly it.=0A=0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" =0ATo: "pietenpol-list @matronics.com" =0ASent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:50:47 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: my favorite two questions abou , Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" =0A=0A=0A"so this is an ultralight, right ?"- - =0A=0A--or equally as frustrating--=0A=0A"you don't need a pilot license to fly this do you ?" ================ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:42:08 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: MILESTONE!!! Lookin' good, Jim! I like your wood struts, too. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!) (12 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: MILESTONE!!! Attached is a (small) picture of what started out this morning as a flat piece of aluminum...this building process is FUN! jm ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: MILESTONE!!! From: Rick Holland Good work Jim, and you got the holes for the cabane cross cables just right. You think you learned a bit about "tin bending" making that, just wait till you work on your cowling. Rick On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Jim Markle wrote: > Attached is a (small) picture of what started out this morning as a flat > piece of aluminum...this building process is FUN! > > jm > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:23 PM PST US From: "Javier Cruz" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Happy Birthday Jim Markle of course that Jim should be insane, building a plane from 1930 and a very old engine is not normal...:) Congrats from Mexico.Mr Markle. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:58 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric. Speaking of tin bending.anyone got any ideas of the pros & cons of aluminum turtle deck vs. 1/8" ply and fabic? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!) (12 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: MILESTONE!!! Good work Jim, and you got the holes for the cabane cross cables just right. You think you learned a bit about "tin bending" making that, just wait till you work on your cowling. Rick On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Jim Markle wrote: Attached is a (small) picture of what started out this morning as a flat piece of aluminum...this building process is FUN! jm -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:26 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX1EE Pieters, I reserved this N number some time ago. Paperwork that allows us to display it finally came in this week. Imagine announcing with this number in the pattern. Pretty cool, huh? The sticky letters are temporary. We're open to suggestions about fun ways to display it. Giant "EE" on the tail? Wing? Fuselage? Have a good week, Jeff ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:00 PM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric. Don't think the plans called for 1/8",,,,,1/16" I think (or less). Stick to the plans walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 6:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric. Speaking of tin bending.anyone got any ideas of the pros & cons of aluminum turtle deck vs. 1/8" ply and fabic? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!) (12 ribs down.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:43 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: MILESTONE!!! Good work Jim, and you got the holes for the cabane cross cables just right. You think you learned a bit about "tin bending" making that, just wait till you work on your cowling. Rick On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Jim Markle wrote: Attached is a (small) picture of what started out this morning as a flat piece of aluminum...this building process is FUN! jm -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:53 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Birthday? Actually, being citizens of a Commonwealth nation makes you full- blown Southern Sympathizers. That's why it's so much warmer there in BC than here in wonderful, snowy O-Hi-O. Not only did I marry a Damnyankee woman too, I followed her back Nawth. You never can tell the effect those gals are gonna have, even Corky thinks I'm nuts :). Back to lurking, Kip Gardner On Feb 21, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Clif Dawson wrote: > Esckimoo. Just like me in 58=B0 Vancouver. > > Clif > ----- Original Message ----- > From: H RULE > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 11:10 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Birthday? > > If they are Yankees then what in the heck are we up here in Ottawa > Canada;leaving myself wide open here but I just got to know? > > > do not archive > > From: Roy Brooks > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:38:23 PM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Birthday? > > Jim not only moved from our beloved TEXAS to Oklahoma, dainged if > he didn't move to NORTH EAST OkiHoma. That makes him a Yankee, > right up there with Mike in Ohio. (Ohio, Oklahoma... same thing) > > From: jim_markle@mindspring.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Birthday? > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:13:16 -0600 > > Ok you guys!!! Enough already! You're embarassing me! But thanks > for all the nice thoughts. > > A couple of you knucklheads are going to hear from me offline!!! :-) > > It's a bit chilly in Northeastern Oklahoma today but I think I'll > go put some wood in the stove and get my shop warming up...this > would be a good day to work on a Model A engine mount! > > One more thing. These recent paint/latex/stitts/etc discussions? > Great! Thanks for all the good advice. That thread was very helpful. > > Cheers to all.... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lawrence Williams > To: Jim Markle ; Pietlist > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:20 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Birthday? > > Jim- > > OK, how did everybody on the Piet list know that it was your > birthday except ME? > > I say,"Skip the cake & ice cream and finish the Piet!". > > Don't let another year go by without your airplane being in the > air. Just do it! > > Our little airport is having a fabric & tailwheel fly-in the second > weekend in June and I'd be happy to play host to any of the > Pietenpol fraternity. It isn't that far for you and I'd like to see > you again. Let me know......and pass the word. > > Happy Birthday, kid. > > Larry > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http:// > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > <="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http:// > www.matronicshref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/con================= > > > Windows Live=99: Discover 10 secrets about the new Windows Live. View > post. > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpolhttp:// > www.matronics.com/contribution" target=_blank > rel=nofollow>http:================== ===== > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http:// > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > - Release Date: 02/21/09 11:05:00 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:28 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: building and flying Sometimes when I see pictures of different peoples' projects I get a bit sad or I feel like I've cut into the line and not paid my dues to get in to the world of Pietenpols. I bought my Piet already complete and flying and although I've done plenty of rebuild and modification to it=2C I know I'm not the original builder and I can't really swagger in to Brodhead like the rest of you 100% scratch builders. I really admire all the excellent work that you folks do on your airplanes and I know it brings you a great deal of satisfaction. Just going out to the airport every weekend and working at maintaining and tweaking my Piet gives me more satisfaction than almost anything else I do all week long at my job and at home. These last few weekends I've been working on squawks that came up during annual condition inspection and it's more fun working on those than anything I can think of at work or at home. Redoing AN hardware to get it just a bit more correct=2C retensioning conrol cables and safetying turnbuckles=2C adjusting tracking on the prop=2C cleaning plugs=2C scratching my head on how to run a new tach cable without removing this cowling or that one=2C lubing pulleys and pivots=2C you name it. It's really too bad we can't get paid for working on our airplanes=2C isn't it? We'd be millionaires and all they'd have to pay us is a few bucks and we'd be happy! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:35 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: building and flying At 8:08 PM -0600 2/22/09, Oscar Zuniga wrote: >...I know I'm not the original >builder and I can't really swagger in to Brodhead like the rest >of you 100% scratch builders. Oscar, If you fly up from Texas and I fly up from Georgia, I think we'll both be allowed to swagger. 'Course, that's just cuz our butts are gonna be hurtin' so much! =-O Jeff ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:21 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gary Gower in Mexico Has anyone heard from Gary Gower in Guadalajara=2C Mexico? He was supposed to be working on coming up with new cast valve covers for Corvaircampers. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio=2C TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:20 PM PST US From: "Dick N." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: building and flying Oscar Built or bought, they are just as much fun to fly. Please don't suggest any dollar value on the satisfaction of flying your Piet, some idiot will want to find a way to tax the perceived value. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Oscar Zuniga To: Pietenpol List Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: building and flying Sometimes when I see pictures of different peoples' projects I get a bit sad or I feel like I've cut into the line and not paid my dues to get in to the world of Pietenpols. I bought my Piet already complete and flying and although I've done plenty of rebuild and modification to it, I know I'm not the original builder and I can't really swagger in to Brodhead like the rest of you 100% scratch builders. I really admire all the excellent work that you folks do on your airplanes and I know it brings you a great deal of satisfaction. Just going out to the airport every weekend and working at maintaining and tweaking my Piet gives me more satisfaction than almost anything else I do all week long at my job and at home. These last few weekends I've been working on squawks that came up during annual condition inspection and it's more fun working on those than anything I can think of at work or at home. Redoing AN hardware to get it just a bit more correct, retensioning conrol cables and safetying turnbuckles, adjusting tracking on the prop, cleaning plugs, scratching my head on how to run a new tach cable without removing this cowling or that one, lubing pulleys and pivots, you name it. It's really too bad we can't get paid for working on our airplanes, isn't it? We'd be millionaires and all they'd have to pay us is a few bucks and we'd be happy! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:57 PM PST US From: "Patrick Panzera" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: building and flying Sometimes when I see pictures of different peoples' projects I get a bit sad or I feel like I've cut into the line and not paid my dues to get in to the world of Pietenpols. I bought my Piet already complete and flying and although I've done plenty of rebuild and modification to it, I know I'm not the original builder and I can't really swagger in to Brodhead like the rest of you 100% scratch builders. Oscar, You are the caretaker of another man's work, and doing one great job of it. If my opinion counts at all, I say swagger all you want. Pat ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:57 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gary Gower in Mexico Check this out It is awesome. A 3D scanner that will scan a part and then reproduce it in plastic so that a machineist can use to make a part from. or it can be used to make a casting. Click on the Jay Leno's Garage link. https://www.nextengine.com/indexSecure.htm Blue Skies Steve D A lurker with a Non homebuilt. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.