Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:11 AM - Re: MILESTONE!!! (Doug Bowman)
2. 05:38 AM - Re: building and flying (H RULE)
3. 06:14 AM - Re: airplane building and mental hospitals (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
4. 07:59 AM - Re: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric. (Dave Abramson)
5. 08:10 AM - Re: NX1EE (Tim Willis)
6. 08:10 AM - Mid-Wing Pietenpol (Dave Abramson)
7. 08:43 AM - Re: NX1EE (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
8. 08:50 AM - Re: NX1EE (Tim Willis)
9. 08:53 AM - Re: NX1EE (Phillips, Jack)
10. 09:12 AM - Re: NX1EE (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
11. 09:39 AM - Re: Mid-Wing Pietenpol (Rick Holland)
12. 10:04 AM - Re: Mid-Wing Pietenpol (H RULE)
13. 10:05 AM - Re: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric. (Gary Boothe)
14. 11:04 AM - Re: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric. (H RULE)
15. 12:05 PM - Metal turtledeck vs. fabric (Oscar Zuniga)
16. 01:35 PM - Re: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric. (Dave Abramson)
17. 02:06 PM - Re: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric. (walt)
18. 03:04 PM - Re: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric. (Gary Boothe)
19. 04:05 PM - Re: NX1EE (Ryan Mueller)
20. 07:40 PM - Re: Re Tail dimensions (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: MILESTONE!!! |
New to the list and just starting to build ribs. Noticed the bare edges of the
aluminum and when we built an RV it was imperative to put some kind of protection
on that kind of an edge. It could really open up your scalp if your head
came forward.
Doug
--- On Sun, 2/22/09, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote:
> From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: MILESTONE!!!
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 9:46 AM
> Attached is a (small) picture of what started out this
> morning as a flat piece of aluminum...this building process
> is FUN!
>
> jm
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| Subject: | Re: building and flying |
I didn't build my GN-1 and I don't feel that way at all.I don't mind tellin
g people of the great men who went before me to build this fantastic aircra
ft and the great job they did.I am NOT a builder anyway but-I sure do app
reciate those that are.Keep your head up high and enjoy your plane and the
flights you get from it.By the way who built your car?=0A=0Ado not archive
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Patrick Panzera <Pa
nzera@experimental-aviation.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent:
Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:58:43 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: buildi
ng and flying=0A=0A=0A-=0ASometimes when I see pictures of different peop
les' projects=0AI get a bit sad or I feel like I've cut into the line and n
ot paid=0Amy dues to get in to the world of Pietenpols.- I bought my=0APi
et already complete and flying and although I've done plenty=0Aof rebuild a
nd modification to it, I know I'm not the original=0Abuilder and I can't re
ally swagger in to Brodhead like the rest=0Aof you 100% scratch builders.
=0A-=0AOscar, =0AYou are the caretaker of another man=A2s work, and doing
one great job of it.=0AIf my opinion counts at all, I say swagger all you
==
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| Subject: | airplane building and mental hospitals |
And my (Ex) wanted me to quit flying. I'm gonna miss her....not really.
:)
Brian
SlC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
Dawson
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: airplane building and mental hospitals
<CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
I think it's called fear. Next time you get that response
ask a few questions. Some folks are just plain scared
of anything that puts air under their feet ( like my ex ).
Clif
And then there's the guy at my RAA that angrily insists
that EVERYONE must have a "see and avoid" electronic
gadget regardless of what the flying contraption is.
you tell them that in
> addition to building you plan on FLYING it. So much for ignorant
> bystanders.
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Metal turtledeck vs. fabric. |
You'll never bend 1/8"..... use 1/16".......
Dave Santa Maria, Airport
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:21 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric.
Speaking of tin bending.anyone got any ideas of the pros & cons of
aluminum turtle deck vs. 1/8" ply and fabic?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
(12 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:43 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: MILESTONE!!!
Good work Jim, and you got the holes for the cabane cross cables just
right. You think you learned a bit about "tin bending" making that, just
wait till you work on your cowling.
Rick
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
wrote:
Attached is a (small) picture of what started out this morning as a flat
piece of aluminum...this building process is FUN!
jm
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.c
omhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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I am not sure what you mean:
We all holler "EEEEE! EEEE! when we are barefoot and step on a scorpion. Is that
it?
Or are you talking about calling, "ECHO... (echo)... ECHO... (echo)" I like it.
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
>Sent: Feb 22, 2009 6:02 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX1EE
>
>Pieters,
>
>I reserved this N number some time ago. Paperwork that allows us to
>display it finally came in this week. Imagine announcing with this
>number in the pattern. Pretty cool, huh?
>
>The sticky letters are temporary. We're open to suggestions about fun
>ways to display it. Giant "EE" on the tail? Wing? Fuselage?
>
>Have a good week,
>
>Jeff
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| Subject: | Mid-Wing Pietenpol |
I have a question gents!
I have seen the "Biplane Piet, Mono-wing Piet,but.... has anyone ever seen
a Mid-Wing Piet????
Also has anyone shortened the cabanes for a more "sporty" look...... (20
1/4 and 21 1/4" stock height) I know many people have made them longer for
easier access to the cockpit.....
(spent an hour making shims for the elev. bellcrank.... looked at the plans
and saw I had it on the worng side of the vert. brace....DAMM!!!!!)
Cheers!
Dave In Drizzley Ca.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
amsafetyc@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:04 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: MILESTONE!!!
Jim
Nice look, wanna make another?
Its amazing what can be accomplished when you pick up the tools and make
them go to work
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: "Jim Markle"
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:46:17 -0600
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: MILESTONE!!!
Attached is a (small) picture of what started out this morning as a flat
piece of aluminum...this building process is FUN!
jm
~r
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Group,
I was just on the FAA's website for N-number registration. I was hoping to request
NX829BJ.
However the following was posted:
**The FAA no longer issues numbers beginning with "NC", "NX", "NR", or "NL". On
some older aircraft, these registration prefixes may be displayed in accordance
with FAR 45.22.
The Pietenpol design is an "Antique aircraft", however mine is still under construction.
Have there been any difficulties requesting the (NX) for Piets?
Brian
SLC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX1EE
I am not sure what you mean:
We all holler "EEEEE! EEEE! when we are barefoot and step on a scorpion. Is that
it?
Or are you talking about calling, "ECHO... (echo)... ECHO... (echo)" I like it.
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
>Sent: Feb 22, 2009 6:02 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX1EE
>
>Pieters,
>
>I reserved this N number some time ago. Paperwork that allows us to
>display it finally came in this week. Imagine announcing with this
>number in the pattern. Pretty cool, huh?
>
>The sticky letters are temporary. We're open to suggestions about fun
>ways to display it. Giant "EE" on the tail? Wing? Fuselage?
>
>Have a good week,
>
>Jeff
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Brian,
As I understand it, you just get your "N- number" from the database, and then make
it "NX" on the plane. That is what I did ("N1944TT") and plan, but may have
missed some understanding and process. I'd like to hear more on this from
those better informed.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
>Sent: Feb 23, 2009 10:42 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: NX1EE
>
>
>Group,
>I was just on the FAA's website for N-number registration. I was hoping to request
NX829BJ.
>However the following was posted:
>
> **The FAA no longer issues numbers beginning with "NC", "NX", "NR", or "NL".
On some older aircraft, these registration prefixes may be displayed in accordance
with FAR 45.22.
>
>The Pietenpol design is an "Antique aircraft", however mine is still under construction.
Have there been any difficulties requesting the (NX) for Piets?
>
>Brian
>SLC
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:09 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX1EE
>
>
>I am not sure what you mean:
>We all holler "EEEEE! EEEE! when we are barefoot and step on a scorpion. Is that
it?
>Or are you talking about calling, "ECHO... (echo)... ECHO... (echo)" I like it.
>Tim in central TX
>do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
>>Sent: Feb 22, 2009 6:02 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX1EE
>>
>>Pieters,
>>
>>I reserved this N number some time ago. Paperwork that allows us to
>>display it finally came in this week. Imagine announcing with this
>>number in the pattern. Pretty cool, huh?
>>
>>The sticky letters are temporary. We're open to suggestions about fun
>>ways to display it. Giant "EE" on the tail? Wing? Fuselage?
>>
>>Have a good week,
>>
>>Jeff
>
>
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You don't request the NX number. Just request the number as a regular N
number, then add the X before the final inspection.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: NX1EE
Group,
I was just on the FAA's website for N-number registration. I was hoping
to request NX829BJ.
However the following was posted:
**The FAA no longer issues numbers beginning with "NC", "NX", "NR", or
"NL". On some older aircraft, these registration prefixes may be
displayed in accordance with FAR 45.22.
The Pietenpol design is an "Antique aircraft", however mine is still
under construction. Have there been any difficulties requesting the (NX)
for Piets?
Brian
SLC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Willis
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX1EE
<timothywillis@earthlink.net>
I am not sure what you mean:
We all holler "EEEEE! EEEE! when we are barefoot and step on a scorpion.
Is that it?
Or are you talking about calling, "ECHO... (echo)... ECHO... (echo)" I
like it.
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
>Sent: Feb 22, 2009 6:02 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX1EE
>
>Pieters,
>
>I reserved this N number some time ago. Paperwork that allows us to
>display it finally came in this week. Imagine announcing with this
>number in the pattern. Pretty cool, huh?
>
>The sticky letters are temporary. We're open to suggestions about fun
>ways to display it. Giant "EE" on the tail? Wing? Fuselage?
>
>Have a good week,
>
>Jeff
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That clears up up the NX question. Thanks.
Just another question in regards to the N-number thing. In searching the
FAA database for the number I want, I found the following, does this
mean this number is available or that this number is already registered?
FAA Registry
N-Number Availability Results
N-Number Range entered:
829BJ to 829BJ
Number of records found: 1
(Page 1 of 1)
829BJ
Brian
SLC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Phillips, Jack
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:53 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: NX1EE
<Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
You don't request the NX number. Just request the number as a regular N
number, then add the X before the final inspection.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: NX1EE
Group,
I was just on the FAA's website for N-number registration. I was hoping
to request NX829BJ.
However the following was posted:
**The FAA no longer issues numbers beginning with "NC", "NX", "NR", or
"NL". On some older aircraft, these registration prefixes may be
displayed in accordance with FAR 45.22.
The Pietenpol design is an "Antique aircraft", however mine is still
under construction. Have there been any difficulties requesting the (NX)
for Piets?
Brian
SLC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Willis
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX1EE
<timothywillis@earthlink.net>
I am not sure what you mean:
We all holler "EEEEE! EEEE! when we are barefoot and step on a scorpion.
Is that it?
Or are you talking about calling, "ECHO... (echo)... ECHO... (echo)" I
like it.
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
>Sent: Feb 22, 2009 6:02 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX1EE
>
>Pieters,
>
>I reserved this N number some time ago. Paperwork that allows us to
>display it finally came in this week. Imagine announcing with this
>number in the pattern. Pretty cool, huh?
>
>The sticky letters are temporary. We're open to suggestions about fun
>ways to display it. Giant "EE" on the tail? Wing? Fuselage?
>
>Have a good week,
>
>Jeff
_________________________________________________
or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error,
please notify the sender
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- Norsk - Portuguese
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| Subject: | Re: Mid-Wing Pietenpol |
To make it look real sporty you could shorten the cabanes to a couple inche
s
and make two big holes the the center section for your heads to stick
through ;)
And I came very close to putting the elevator bellcrank on the wrong side o
f
the vertical also.
Rick
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Dave Abramson
<davea@symbolicdisplays.com>wrote:
> I have a question gents!
>
> I have seen the "Biplane Piet, Mono-wing Piet,but.... has anyone ever se
en
> a Mid-Wing Piet????
>
> Also has anyone shortened the cabanes for a more "sporty" look...... (20
> 1/4 and 21 1/4" stock height) I know many people have made them longer f
or
> easier access to the cockpit.....
>
> (spent an hour making shims for the elev. bellcrank.... looked at the
> plans and saw I had it on the worng side of the vert. brace....DAMM!!!!!)
>
> Cheers!
>
> Dave In Drizzley Ca.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *amsafetyc@aol.co
m
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:04 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: MILESTONE!!!
>
> Jim
>
> Nice look, wanna make another?
>
> Its amazing what can be accomplished when you pick up the tools and make
> them go to work
>
> John
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> ------------------------------
> *From*: "Jim Markle"
> *Date*: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:46:17 -0600
> *To*: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject*: Pietenpol-List: MILESTONE!!!
>
> Attached is a (small) picture of what started out this morning as a flat
> piece of aluminum...this building process is FUN!
>
> jm
> ~=B2 r
>
> *
>
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> *
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Mid-Wing Pietenpol |
you could always put on retractible landing gear as well;0=0A=0A=0Ado not a
rchive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Rick Holland
<at7000ft@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, Feb
ruary 23, 2009 12:38:50 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mid-Wing Pietenpo
l=0A=0ATo make it look real sporty you could shorten the cabanes to a coupl
e inches and make two big holes the the center section for your heads to st
ick through ;)=0A=0AAnd I came very close to putting the elevator bellcrank
on the wrong side of the vertical also.=0A=0ARick=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Feb 23,
2009 at 9:10 AM, Dave Abramson <davea@symbolicdisplays.com> wrote:=0A=0AI h
ave a question gents!=0A-=0AI have seen the "Biplane Piet, Mono-wing Piet
,but....- has anyone ever seen a Mid-Wing Piet????=0A-=0AAlso has anyon
e shortened the cabanes for a more "sporty" look......- (20 1/4 and 21 1/
4" stock height)- I know many people have made them longer for easier acc
ess to the cockpit.....=0A-=0A(spent an hour making shims for the elev. b
ellcrank....- looked at the plans and saw I had it on the worng side of t
he vert. brace....DAMM!!!!!)=0A-=0ACheers!=0A-=0ADave In-Drizzley Ca.
=0A-=0A-=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-pietenpol-list-serv
er@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behal
f Of amsafetyc@aol.com=0ASent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:04 AM=0ATo: pie
tenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: MILESTONE!!!=0A=0A
Jim=0A=0ANice look, wanna make another?=0A=0AIts amazing what can be accomp
lished when you pick up the tools and make them go to work=0A=0AJohn =0ASen
t from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry=0A________________________________=0A
From: "Jim Markle" =0ADate: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:46:17 -0600=0ATo: <pietenpo
l-list@matronics.com>=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: MILESTONE!!!=0A=0AAttached
is a (small) picture of what started out this morning as a flat piece of a
luminum...this building-process is FUN!=0A-=0Ajm~=B2 r=0A=0A=0A" tar
get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Atp://for
ums.matronics.com=0A_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Metal turtledeck vs. fabric. |
Not to be a naysayer, because I did ask, but the attached photo (if it comes
thru) shows 1/8" Marine Mahogany on my rear turtledeck, behind the pilot. I
was more interested in hearing why some might think that metal is a better
turtledeck than plywood and fabric.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear
(12 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Abramson
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:58 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric.
You'll never bend 1/8"..... use 1/16".......
Dave Santa Maria, Airport
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric.
Speaking of tin bending.anyone got any ideas of the pros & cons of aluminum
turtle deck vs. 1/8" ply and fabic?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
(12 ribs down.)
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: MILESTONE!!!
Good work Jim, and you got the holes for the cabane cross cables just right.
You think you learned a bit about "tin bending" making that, just wait till
you work on your cowling.
Rick
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Attached is a (small) picture of what started out this morning as a flat
piece of aluminum...this building process is FUN!
jm
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Well when I am dismounting sometimes I will sit on the turtle deck and slid
e off.Probably not a good practise to keep doing that since-I will eventu
ally wear out the fabric ocer the wood,-but if it was just metal then it
would take some time to wear out;just my take on it.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric.=0A=0A=0ANot to be
a naysayer, because I did ask, but the attached photo (if it comes thru) s
hows 1/8=94 Marine Mahogany on my rear turtledeck, behind the pilot. I was
more interested in hearing why some might think that metal is a better turt
ledeck than plywood and fabric.=0A-=0AGary Boothe=0ACool, Ca.=0APietenpol
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| Subject: | Metal turtledeck vs. fabric |
Just my two cents (now less than one cent=2C given the drop in values
lately)=2C metal will dent or bend and can't always be popped back out.
Fabric will give. Wood will resist and of course if you push it past the
point of resisting=2C it will split and fail but it takes a lot to do that.
I would long ago have dented or bent my turtledeck in the area behind
the pilot's seat if it were metal.
Oscar Zuniga
Someone else's Air Camper NX41CC but I fly it like it was mine =3Bo)
San Antonio=2C TX
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| Subject: | Metal turtledeck vs. fabric. |
How about "I couldn't bend 1/8"......(all the way to the longderon) Used
1/16"..... ??????? Plenty Strong!
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:03 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric.
Not to be a naysayer, because I did ask, but the attached photo (if it
comes thru) shows 1/8" Marine Mahogany on my rear turtledeck, behind the
pilot. I was more interested in hearing why some might think that metal is a
better turtledeck than plywood and fabric.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear
(12 ribs down.)
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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:58 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric.
You'll never bend 1/8"..... use 1/16".......
Dave Santa Maria, Airport
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:21 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric.
Speaking of tin bending.anyone got any ideas of the pros & cons of
aluminum turtle deck vs. 1/8" ply and fabic?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
(12 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
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To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: MILESTONE!!!
Good work Jim, and you got the holes for the cabane cross cables just
right. You think you learned a bit about "tin bending" making that, just
wait till you work on your cowling.
Rick
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piece of aluminum...this building process is FUN!
jm
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| Subject: | Re: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric. |
I checked back in my photos.
I used 1/16", and never groaned with many butt sits, to get out.
walt evans
NX140DL
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From: Dave Abramson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric.
How about "I couldn't bend 1/8"......(all the way to the longderon)
Used 1/16"..... ??????? Plenty Strong!
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:03 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric.
Not to be a naysayer, because I did ask, but the attached photo (if
it comes thru) shows 1/8" Marine Mahogany on my rear turtledeck, behind
the pilot. I was more interested in hearing why some might think that
metal is a better turtledeck than plywood and fabric.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear
(12 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:58 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric.
You'll never bend 1/8"..... use 1/16".......
Dave Santa Maria, Airport
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:21 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric.
Speaking of tin bending.anyone got any ideas of the pros & cons of
aluminum turtle deck vs. 1/8" ply and fabic?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
(12 ribs down.)
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Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:43 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: MILESTONE!!!
Good work Jim, and you got the holes for the cabane cross cables
just right. You think you learned a bit about "tin bending" making that,
just wait till you work on your cowling.
Rick
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a flat piece of aluminum...this building process is FUN!
jm
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Dave,
The radius is the same all the way around. The reason I did not use one
piece is that I would have wasted too much wood as my fairing will curve
around the pilot's shoulders (see attached). As you say, 1/16" is plenty
strong, but that would have entailed an extra expenditure of $$. I
accomplished this same bend on such a small piece by soaking in water, then
strapping the pieces around a bucket while they dried. Even though it is
marine plywood, it will hold a bend.
Thanks to those who chimed in on the pros and cons. I don't think I have
Markle's metal working abilities, but I can sand and shape wood!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear
(12 ribs down.)
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Abramson
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:31 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric.
How about "I couldn't bend 1/8"......(all the way to the longderon) Used
1/16"..... ??????? Plenty Strong!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:03 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric.
Not to be a naysayer, because I did ask, but the attached photo (if it comes
thru) shows 1/8" Marine Mahogany on my rear turtledeck, behind the pilot. I
was more interested in hearing why some might think that metal is a better
turtledeck than plywood and fabric.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear
(12 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Abramson
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:58 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric.
You'll never bend 1/8"..... use 1/16".......
Dave Santa Maria, Airport
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal turtledeck vs. fabric.
Speaking of tin bending.anyone got any ideas of the pros & cons of aluminum
turtle deck vs. 1/8" ply and fabic?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!)
(12 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: MILESTONE!!!
Good work Jim, and you got the holes for the cabane cross cables just right.
You think you learned a bit about "tin bending" making that, just wait till
you work on your cowling.
Rick
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
wrote:
Attached is a (small) picture of what started out this morning as a flat
piece of aluminum...this building process is FUN!
jm
--
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Brian,
That means the number is available. Also, if you search for that exact N
number under the "N Number Inquiry" it returns the following: "N829BJ is not
Assigned/Reserved". You should be able to reserve it.
Ryan
do not archive
>
> That clears up up the NX question. Thanks.
> Just another question in regards to the N-number thing. In searching the
> FAA database for the number I want, I found the following, does this
> mean this number is available or that this number is already registered?
>
>
> FAA Registry
> N-Number Availability Results
>
> N-Number Range entered:
> 829BJ to 829BJ
> Number of records found: 1
> (Page 1 of 1)
>
> 829BJ
>
>
> Brian
> SLC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re Tail dimensions |
Thanks to you and Harv.
I'm surprised. No one commented on my tail brace wires. :-)
I have the feeling that I've seen everything, but failed to notice the
elephants. (Anton Chekhov)
Cliff,
I like all your woodwork details; lightening holes, fairings and
tapers etc. Very nice work you should be proud of. Everything obviously
well thought out. Nice job.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
NX929DH
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