---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/24/09: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:24 AM - Re: Re Tail dimensions (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 05:33 AM - Pietenpol wing placement (Lawrence Williams) 3. 05:49 AM - Re: couple of questions (Gene Rambo) 4. 05:51 AM - Re: Pietenpol wing placement (H RULE) 5. 06:53 AM - Re: Pietenpol wing placement (Owen Davies) 6. 07:05 AM - Re: Re Tail dimensions/ woodwork (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 7. 07:07 AM - Re: Pietenpol wing placement (Ed G.) 8. 08:13 AM - Mag timing and cowling (helspersew@aol.com) 9. 08:14 AM - Re: Re Tail dimensions (Catdesigns) 10. 08:24 AM - Re: Mag timing and cowling (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 11. 09:10 AM - Skyscout project for sale (Donald Cooley) 12. 11:39 AM - Elevator cable feel and tension trouble. (Scott Schreiber) 13. 02:07 PM - Re: couple of questions (Don Emch) 14. 02:58 PM - Straight axle gear and brakes (helspersew@aol.com) 15. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: couple of questions (walt) 16. 04:21 PM - Re: Re Tail dimensions (Clif Dawson) 17. 05:02 PM - Re: couple of questions (Don Emch) 18. 05:04 PM - Re: Re Tail dimensions/ woodwork (Clif Dawson) 19. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: couple of questions (Jim Ash) 20. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: Re Tail dimensions (Clif Dawson) 21. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: couple of questions (Gene & Tammy) 22. 05:37 PM - Tail brace wires with turnbuckles (not) (helspersew@aol.com) 23. 06:35 PM - 3 Piets on Barnstormers (Roy Brooks) 24. 06:48 PM - Re: Re Tail dimensions (Gary Boothe) 25. 06:59 PM - Re: Tail brace wires with turnbuckles (not) (Clif Dawson) 26. 08:43 PM - Re: Straight axle gear and brakes (amsafetyc@aol.com) 27. 10:31 PM - Re: Mid-Wing Pietenpol (Mild Bill) 28. 10:33 PM - Re: Re Tail dimensions (Clif Dawson) 29. 11:04 PM - Re: Re: Mid-Wing Pietenpol (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Tail dimensions From: helspersew@aol.com Cliff, I went back and looked at your tail photo. Can't make out anything. We need a close-up to see what you are talking about. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove IL NX929DH -----Original Message----- From: Clif Dawson Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 9:39 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Tail dimensions Thanks to you and Harv. ? I'm surprised. No one commented on my tail brace wires. :-) ? I have the feeling that I've seen everything, but failed to notice the elephants. (Anton Chekhov) Cliff, I like all your woodwork details; lightening holes, fairings and tapers etc. Very nice work you should be proud of. Everything obviously well thought out. Nice job. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. NX929DH ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:06 AM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol wing placement Dave- - I believe when you say "Piet" you mean the Air Camper, not an all-inclusive Bernard Pietenpol list of designs. Mr. Pietenpol did design and briefly fl y a biplane but the specs are lost to history as there were never any plans made available. - There are only two versions of Pietenpol aircraft plans available, the Scou t and the Air Camper. Neither one is a "bi-wing", they are both parasol con figured. Any gross modifications of the design would by definition, take th em out of the "Pietenpol" genre. - Larry Williams- xcg, xcmr, epp=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:40 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: couple of questions I want to run a couple of questions by the group: 1. Those of you running Model A engines, how do you have it timed? 30 before TDC sounds about right, but not sure. 2. All of the photos on here lately that show the cockpit coaming have it ending a few inches aft of the panel (on the sides). This is how I want to do it, although the drawings show it continuing all the way around, which I do not care for. What are most of you doing? What dimension?? TLAR (that looks about right) or is there some dimension used most often (I was playing with 6-8" aft of the panel, but that may be too far). Thanks for any help, Gene working like crazy to make Brodhead '09 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:22 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol wing placement Bernard started with the Jenny and went on to modify it from there.So the b iplane you refer to would have been close to a Jenny.=0A=0Ado not archive =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Lawrence Williams < lnawms@yahoo.com>=0ATo: davea@symbolicdisplays.com; Pietlist =0ASent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:27:13 AM=0ASubject: P ietenpol-List: Pietenpol wing placement=0A=0A=0ADave-=0A=0AI believe when y ou say "Piet" you mean the Air Camper, not an all-inclusive Bernard Pietenp ol list of designs. Mr. Pietenpol did design and briefly fly a biplane but the specs are lost to history as there were never any plans made available. =0A=0AThere are only two versions of Pietenpol aircraft plans available, th e Scout and the Air Camper. Neither one is a "bi-wing", they are both paras ol configured. Any gross modifications of the design would by definition, t ake them out of the "Pietenpol" genre.=0A=0ALarry Williams- xcg, xcmr, ep ===================== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:32 AM PST US From: Owen Davies Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol wing placement H RULE wrote: > Bernard started with the Jenny and went on to modify it from there.So > the biplane you refer to would have been close to a Jenny. I missed the runup to this post, but it sounds like the airplane in question must be the Aerial, the biplane modification of the Aircamper. Plans were available from Chad Willie, last I knew. Owen ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:33 AM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Tail dimensions/ woodwork Cliff, Very nice woodwork. Just wondering if you could post a few close up pics of your turtledeck? Would like to see what you have done in that area. Brian SLC From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Tail dimensions I have made mine to the F+G manual and this is the result; Also there was discussion on flops. This is mine. It will be clear plexi top and bottom. Easy strong arm airbrake too! :-) Clif The dimensions for the various parts which the rudder attaches to do not add up If you build the fin & fuse according to the plans, then the rudder will hang down below the bottom of the fuse by around 11/2 inches. Thanks Graham Hewitt href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat r onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ - Release Date: 02/20/09 19:22:00 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:17 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol wing placement When I bought my first set of plans from St. Croix aircraft ( I didn't know about he Pietenpol family's plans at the time) I was sent an information p acket that showed plans and info for a biplane supposedly designed by Berna rd called the Aeriel (sp?). it was basically a Piet with an extra set of wi ngs and required a 125hp engine to overcome the extra drag=2C and I'm sure there were other differences. St Croix had the plans available for sale at that time ( early 2000 ) and still may. Ed Grentzer From: lnawms@yahoo.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol wing placement Dave- I believe when you say "Piet" you mean the Air Camper=2C not an all-inclusi ve Bernard Pietenpol list of designs. Mr. Pietenpol did design and briefly fly a biplane but the specs are lost to history as there were never any pla ns made available. There are only two versions of Pietenpol aircraft plans available=2C the Sc out and the Air Camper. Neither one is a "bi-wing"=2C they are both parasol configured. Any gross modifications of the design would by definition=2C t ake them out of the "Pietenpol" genre. Larry Williams xcg=2C xcmr=2C epp ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mag timing and cowling From: helspersew@aol.com Gene, ? I timed mine 30 degrees BTC. Runs great like that. Very strong. As far as the cowling goes, you don't know how much I agonized about the design/style. See attached pic. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL NX929DH ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Re Tail dimensions From: "Catdesigns" I think that we don't see anything IS the point. I don't see any turn buckles. Chris -------- Chris Tracy Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231814#231814 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:04 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mag timing and cowling Dan, She is looking great, are we going to see her at Brodhead this year? I just purchased a set of wheels and straight axle but no landing year as of yet. Do you have some pics of yours I can look at I have no idea of how the axle mounts to the gear or how I am going to come up with a braking system. Thanks John **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:51 AM PST US From: Donald Cooley Subject: Pietenpol-List: Skyscout project for sale Hello Piet enthusiasts!=0AFor many years I have planned to build a SkyScout ..- To that end I have accumulated much stuff, looking forward to the time when I would have time to build.- Now I have time and my time for flying has run out.- My vision has become marginal for flying and by the time I was to finish building it will be inadequate.- Therefore, I am offering the "stuff" I have for sale.- =0A=0AI have virtually all the spruce neede d, including spars, spoke wheels from Dream Machines (?), J-3 fuel tank, Vi Kappler hinges, Welded control horns, a set of wing ribs built up and a di sassembled A-65 and prop.- Also some miscellaneous instruments, including an antique tachometer.- Plans, too.- I will also include the erection table (30" X 14').=0A=0AAltogether I estimate my cost for all this at about $2800.00.- I am willing to sell all for $1500.00 and will deliver anywhe re west of the Rockies for $.20 per mile.=0A=0ADon Cooley- (530)669-3520 - Woodland, CA=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:06 AM PST US From: "Scott Schreiber" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator cable feel and tension trouble. I finished my controls and was setting up the loop from the stick to the reverser and back and I ran into a problem that I and my tech counselor are both worried about. The system is built according to plans other than a thin hardwood strip above the cable exit point and a turnbuckle to adjust tension. When rigged with a tension that feels good the cable is fairly slack and when you go full stick forward the cable rises off the front pulley. There is a also a noticeable but not severe "hump" as the stick transitions backward movement and the cable tension changes. If I tension it where the cable does not rise off the pulley moving the stick takes a fair amount of force, the "hump" is very pronounced and I can't imagine any feedback being felt. Neither of us has ever seen the piet mechanism in person before I built this one, and he is a talented RV guy but has limited cable system exposure. I am stuck between the notion that cables rising off pulleys and such is unacceptable and that the problems are part of the design and the reality that Piets have flown for 80 something years with that design. That would normally tell me I have done something wrong but neither I nor my tech counselor can find a meaningful deviation or a mistake. Any ideas? -Scott ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: couple of questions From: "Don Emch" Gene, I ended my aluminum about 6 to 8 inches back from the panel. I have the combing on the aluminum and the longerons. It's really nice to be able to put all of my weight on the longeron. I have passengers put their weight on the front cockpit longerons. With aluminum there it may get crushed. Can kinda see it here; http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_092.JPG Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231888#231888 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight axle gear and brakes From: helspersew@aol.com John, Here is one way of doing the brakes with the straight axle. The photo is incomplete because the brake band is not shown. I basically copied what others have done before me. I think you can see Simon McCormack's photos on Westcoastpiet.com to get the complete picture. No, you won't see my airplane at Brodhead this year. I have encountered some major setbacks due to this economy. I am shooting for 2010 now. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL NX929DH ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:54 PM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: couple of questions Very nice fabric! walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Emch" Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: couple of questions > > Gene, > > I ended my aluminum about 6 to 8 inches back from the panel. I have the > combing on the aluminum and the longerons. It's really nice to be able to > put all of my weight on the longeron. I have passengers put their weight > on the front cockpit longerons. With aluminum there it may get crushed. > Can kinda see it here; > > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_092.JPG > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231888#231888 > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:42 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Tail dimensions How's this? Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Tail dimensions Cliff, I went back and looked at your tail photo. Can't make out anything. We need a close-up to see what you are talking about. Dan Helsper ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: couple of questions From: "Don Emch" By the way... Combing is complements of my wife's old torn leather coat. Had enough for both cockpits! :D Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231921#231921 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:26 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Tail dimensions/ woodwork Sure, Here's three. In the first you see I've filled in between the turtledeck strips with soft, light balsa and faired that all in. Also you can see I've covered the "helmet box" in to the first former and used a 1" X 1" balsa strip to hold the edge. It's 1/16" ply. The second is the 1/16" ply and balsa covered in waterbase contact cement. And the third is all glued down. The bottom edge was subsiquently faired upwards to the left to meet the quarter" halfround seen as the dark line under the balsa 1x1. The reason I did it this way is that I wanted to have the ply and strips faired into each other without any bumps and for weight bearing ( hands, bum ) felt that even 1/8" might not be enough by itself. Also 1/8" and larger would be hard to bend and to fair. That box might be rather large but my intension is to store light, bulky things there. There's a lot of large, open water around here and life vests are mandatory when crossing unless you can gain enough altitude to glide to nearest land. Even if you get to that land it will probably be covered in 200 ft pointy firs and in a lot of places there's no beach at any tide. Survival gear will be upfront. Clif Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Tail dimensions/ woodwork Cliff, Very nice woodwork. Just wondering if you could post a few close up pics of your turtledeck? Would like to see what you have done in that area. Brian SLC ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:47 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: couple of questions That last chunk of leather I worked with came from an old couch. Part of the joys of scrounging... just open your mind to the possibilities and you'll find them everywhere. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: Don Emch >Sent: Feb 24, 2009 8:00 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: couple of questions > > >By the way... Combing is complements of my wife's old torn leather coat. Had enough for both cockpits! :D > >Don Emch >NX899DE > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231921#231921 > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:07 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Re Tail dimensions Yep. A couple of years ago, at Arlington, I came across a new two place sport plane, the name of which escapes me. There were no turnbuckles on the tail. I couldn't believe that was possible to do that but there it was. It was explained to me that adjustment was simply a matter of twisting and untwisting the wire. So I've done it to see and so far it's worked. There's a bit of a trick to getting the tight wires to line up with the holes in the fittings but if it works out OK when I actually get the thing flying then I've saved some weight where it's most important. Like everything we do the proof will be in the pudding. Right? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catdesigns" Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Re Tail dimensions > > I think that we don't see anything IS the point. I don't see any turn > buckles. > > Chris > > -------- > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231814#231814 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 13:35:00 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:40 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: couple of questions I went to Good Will and bought a full length leather coat for $3.00 for redoing mine. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ash" Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: couple of questions > > That last chunk of leather I worked with came from an old couch. > > Part of the joys of scrounging... just open your mind to the possibilities > and you'll find them everywhere. > > Jim Ash > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Don Emch >>Sent: Feb 24, 2009 8:00 PM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: couple of questions >> >> >>By the way... Combing is complements of my wife's old torn leather coat. >>Had enough for both cockpits! :D >> >>Don Emch >>NX899DE >> >> >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231921#231921 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Checked by AVG. > 7:17 AM > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail brace wires with turnbuckles (not) From: helspersew@aol.com Cliff, OK so there are no turnbuckles. Did you just pre-tension everything before squishing the copper nicopress sleeves? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL NX929DH ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:02 PM PST US From: Roy Brooks Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3 Piets on Barnstormers Does anybody on this list have any knowledge or experience with the Piets o n Barnstormers at the moment? One is in Florida=2C one is in California (forgot the other location) but a s I look at one of these=2C it looks porker-heavy to me. Thanks S. Orville B. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE:=85more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_expl ore_022009 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:01 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Tail dimensions Cliff, Difficult to see, but I think your shackles look like mine. I'm intrigued by your twisting-wire technique!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear (12 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Tail dimensions How's this? Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Tail dimensions Cliff, I went back and looked at your tail photo. Can't make out anything. We need a close-up to see what you are talking about. Dan Helsper ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:53 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail brace wires with turnbuckles (not) Yes and no. Once I had the bottom done and squished I set the tail on two high sawhorses so it was level, weighted the tailpost with a sandbag and checked everything for straightness. I had to do a little twisting both left and right on a couple of wires but that was all. Then I worked on pulling the top ones tight and holding them with small industrial U bolt cable clamps. At this point the nicopress ferules were 5" away from the thimbles. When they were pushed up tight that added some more tension. I plucked the wires all round to hear the same note from each, fiddled a bit to get that note the same then squished the ferules. I've had it apart twice. It's a bit of a grunt to get them back on the brackets but doable with a little heavier weight hanging off the tailpost. It's all like Lincoln said; "If I had 8 hours to cut down a tree,,,I'd spend the first 6 sharpening the axe" ABE LINCOLN Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 5:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail brace wires with turnbuckles (not) Cliff, OK so there are no turnbuckles. Did you just pre-tension everything before squishing the copper nicopress sleeves? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 02/24/09 13:35:00 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight axle gear and brakes From: amsafetyc@aol.com RGFuDQoNClRoYW5rcyBmb3IgdGhlIHBpY3MgSSBhcHByZWNpYXRlIGl0LiBTb3JyeSB0byBoZWFy IHRoZSBlY29ub215IGhhcyBkZWxheWVkIHlvdXIgY29tcGxldGlvbi4gWWV0IHRocm91Z2ggbXkg b3duIGNvbmNlcm4gSSBoYXZlIGJlZW4gd29uZGVyaW5nIGFib3V0IHlvdXIgYnVzaW5lc3Mgc2l0 dWF0aW9uIGFuZCBob3cgdGhpbmdzIHdlcmUgZ29pbmcgZm9yIHlvdT8gTGFzdCB3ZSBzcG9rZSB5 b3VyIGJ1c2luZXNzIGhhZCBqdXN0IHRha2VuIGEgaGl0LCBJIHdhcyBob3BpbmcgdGhpbmdzIGlt cHJvdmVkIG9yIHRoYXQgeW91IHdlcmUgYWJsZSB0byByZWdhaW4gc29tZSBvZiB0aGUgbG9zdCBi dXNpbmVzcy4gDQoNCkRhbiwgcGxlYXNlIGxldCBtZSBrbm93IGhvdyB5b3UncmUgZG9pbmcuIEkg YW0gaW50ZXJlc3RlZCBhbmQgY29uY2VybmVkLiANCg0KVGhhbmtzIGFnYWluDQoNCkpvaG4NClNl bnQgZnJvbSBteSBWZXJpem9uIFdpcmVsZXNzIEJsYWNrQmVycnkNCg0KLS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBN ZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0NCkZyb206IGhlbHNwZXJzZXdAYW9sLmNvbQ0KDQpEYXRlOiBUdWUsIDI0IEZl YiAyMDA5IDE3OjU3OjA1IA0KVG86IDxwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPg0KU3Vi amVjdDogUGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3Q6IFN0cmFpZ2h0IGF4bGUgZ2VhciBhbmQgYnJha2VzDQoNCg0K Sm9obiwNCg0KSGVyZSBpcyBvbmUgd2F5IG9mIGRvaW5nIHRoZSBicmFrZXMgd2l0aCB0aGUgc3Ry YWlnaHQgYXhsZS4gVGhlIHBob3RvIGlzIGluY29tcGxldGUgYmVjYXVzZSB0aGUgYnJha2UgYmFu ZCBpcyBub3Qgc2hvd24uIEkgYmFzaWNhbGx5IGNvcGllZCB3aGF0IG90aGVycyBoYXZlIGRvbmUg YmVmb3JlIG1lLiBJIHRoaW5rIHlvdSBjYW4gc2VlIFNpbW9uIE1jQ29ybWFjaydzIHBob3RvcyBv biBXZXN0Y29hc3RwaWV0LmNvbSB0byBnZXQgdGhlIGNvbXBsZXRlIHBpY3R1cmUuIE5vLCB5b3Ug d29uJ3Qgc2VlIG15IGFpcnBsYW5lIGF0IEJyb2RoZWFkIHRoaXMgeWVhci4gSSBoYXZlIGVuY291 bnRlcmVkIHNvbWUgbWFqb3Igc2V0YmFja3MgZHVlIHRvIHRoaXMgZWNvbm9teS4gSSBhbSBzaG9v dGluZyBmb3IgMjAxMCBub3cuDQoNCkRhbiBIZWxzcGVyDQpQb3BsYXIgR3JvdmUsIElMDQpOWDky OURIDQoNCg= ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mid-Wing Pietenpol From: "Mild Bill" Well, I've seen a horse fly, and I've seen a house fly, and I've even seen a low-wing Pietenpol, or at least a picture thereof: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=41853 So a mid-wing Pietenpol seems eminently possible. [Wink] -------- Bill Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231971#231971 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:16 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re Tail dimensions Great minds think alike. We won't mention the other half of that saying, will we. :-) As you can see I'm using pins instead of bolts. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:44 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re Tail dimensions Cliff, Difficult to see, but I think your shackles look like mine. I'm intrigued by your twisting-wire technique!! Gary Boothe ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:54 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mid-Wing Pietenpol Heath did it. > Well, I've seen a horse fly, and I've seen a house fly, and I've even seen > a low-wing Pietenpol, or at least a picture thereof: > So a mid-wing Pietenpol seems eminently possible. 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