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1. 03:01 AM - Re: What airfoil does the pientenpol use? (Jack Phillips)
2. 04:20 AM - Spring-like flying in Ohio and welcome Bill (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
3. 06:05 AM - Re: waiting on parts or refund (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
4. 06:08 AM - cockpit coaming (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 06:09 AM - Re: waiting on parts or refund (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
6. 06:34 AM - Re: cockpit coaming (Dave Abramson)
7. 06:43 AM - Re: cockpit coaming (Phillips, Jack)
8. 06:46 AM - Re: cockpit coaming (Michael Perez)
9. 07:35 AM - Re: waiting on parts or refund (Ryan Mueller)
10. 12:40 PM - Preferred ply (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
11. 01:24 PM - Re: Preferred ply (Lagowski Morrow)
12. 04:12 PM - Introduction and request (Ameet Savant)
13. 05:39 PM - Re: Introduction and request (Gary Boothe)
14. 07:31 PM - Re: Preferred ply (Glenn Thomas)
15. 08:12 PM - Re: Preferred ply ()
16. 08:20 PM - Re: Preferred ply (Gary Boothe)
17. 10:34 PM - Re: Preferred ply ()
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| Subject: | What airfoil does the pientenpol use? |
Hi Bill,
If you don't already own it, one of the books you should get if you are
going to build a Pietenpol is the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual (available
from EAA). It has the original plans for the Air Camper and is an
interesting read. Chet Peek's book on the Air Camper is also fascinating,
if you are interested in the history of this craft.
While on the subject of books, if you don't have them, be sure to get a copy
of the four Tony Bingelis books, The Sportplane Builder, Sportplane
Construction Techniques, Firewall Forward, and Tony Bingelis on Engines.
Nearly every question you will come up with while building this airplane is
answered in one or more of those books.
Welcome to the list! I enjoyed meeting you at the EAA meeting last week.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What airfoil does the pientenpol use?
Bill,
Have a good third shift! And congrats on being with a company that needs to
have a third shift. :P
You can search the archives at this address:
http://www.matronics.com/search/
Just pick "Pietenpol" from the Select Archive drop down menu. Read the
instructions to learn how to format your search for optimal results.
The Pietenpol airfoil is the "FC10" airfoil, which is a made up name for a
made up airfoil. As the story goes, Bernard arrived at his airfoil through
experimentation, and gave it that designation because it was the tenth one
he tried, and he used a French curve template to draw it (as far as I have
read).
Ryan
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:09 PM, <wmhcarync@aol.com> wrote:
First, I apologize if this has been answered 50000 times before. I'm
dashing off to work and as a first-time user, I haven't figured out how to
search yet.
Thanks!
Bill Howdeshell
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| Subject: | Spring-like flying in Ohio and welcome Bill |
Good to hear you got to fly on Wednesday Shad. I didn't go but today if there
are some breaks
in the rain it will be warmer so you never know. On my 65 Continental on cooler
days (45F and below)
I will get a hesitation or miss as I advance the throttle on takeoff if I do it
too quickly or
if the engine isn't fully warmed but it sounds like your misses were on your takeoff
climb out.
Maybe all your engine needed was a good hour long flight.
Welcome to the list Bill and I would have to second everything that Jack Phillips
said---especially
about the homebuilt construction book series by Tony Bingelis available from EAA.
My building process
involved steps like this:
-- here is what I want to build next
-- read the plans, think about it, look at plans again.
-- think of how/what material I'd like to use (say for windshields---Plexiglass
or Lexan ? I had no idea)
-- talk to the IA's and A&P's at my local airport who are all older guys who restore
old airplanes and know a ton.
-- become confused (as usual) and then go to the Tony Bingelis books and see what
options/ideas he gives.
-- discard old wives tales that are sometimes told at airports or on the list and
listen to what Tony said--sound advice.
-- think more about how I was going to do this or that and then build it.
-- every decision was based on doing things with approved aircraft materials and
building practices--no shortcuts but all the while trying to keep the extra
stuff like whole house air conditioning, a Bose surround sound system, full cockpit
instruments in both cockpits, and starters, generators, ILS, DME, and full
IFR panels out of the picture as all of these will add unnecessary weight that
you don't need and will degrade your performance. The plane is not a 172--don't
overload it or you will essentially end up with a two seat airplane that
can only carry one person.
--this is not to say that if you fly out of airports requiring encoding altimeters
and radios that you shouldn't have them or that if you feel safer not hand-propping
your airplane, by all means put in the necessary stuff--just know that
unless you run a strong Corvair or 0-200 your performance will suffer. End
of sermon.
Mike C. in Ohio
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| Subject: | waiting on parts or refund |
I ordered one of the "My Ex wanted me to quit flying T-shirts" from WW,
it has been several months, and still no shirt. When it comes time to
rebuilding my Corvair, I might just make a trip to sunny Florida and
purchase my parts in person. The cost of a plane ticket will offset the
frustrations I have read about the shipping time and no response from
supplier.
Brian
SLC
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
TGSTONE236@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: waiting on parts or refund
Normally people selling parts have them in stock,or can give you a time
that they will be able to deliver the part that you have paid for in
advance as a lot of us have paid WW in advance by PayPal or check. After
that you can't find out anything by email to them. Still waiting after
almost 10 months,I have asked for a possible ship date or a refund if
you aren't going to produce the goods. I have been totally ignored with
no reply so I have to assume this is WW's way of doing business. I have
even ask by email if certain items are in stock that I would love to
have ,No answer. I do not want order some thing else to have my money
tied up for another 10 to 12 months,
This is really discourging when you are trying to build an engine as per
WW's reccomendation using his his proven tested parts.
I am to the point now that I wish I had gone Continental and I would not
have had a problem with parts or part suppliers.
Ted Stone
Trying to complete a Corvair Pietenpol
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Jack=2C I'm very concerned that you have gone such a radical route on
your airplane and departed from tradition. Mr. Pietenpol did not have
"funny pipe" or closed-cell foam insulation in his day so I don't think
you can rightfully call your airplane an Air Camper.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC without funny pipe
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: waiting on parts or refund |
Maybe you could coordinate the trip with WW to pick the parts up at Sun N
Fun. Now that would make the trip worthwhile!
Boyce
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Exactly!!!!!!!!!! I will call my modified Air Camper a Pietenpol
Speedster!!! (wing 3" 4" or 5" lower than plans)
Dave
(with funny pipe! Like that idea!)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:07 AM
To: Pietenpol List
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cockpit coaming
Jack, I'm very concerned that you have gone such a radical route on
your airplane and departed from tradition. Mr. Pietenpol did not have
"funny pipe" or closed-cell foam insulation in his day so I don't think
you can rightfully call your airplane an Air Camper.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC without funny pipe
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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To be honest, I've been very concerned about this since the day I
decided to put a Continental A65 engine on it. And then covering it
with polyester, of all things, instead of a muslin bedsheet. Please
don't tell anyone. I'd hate for the FAA to pull my Airworthiness
Certificate due to false advertising.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Psuedopol Air Cramper
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cockpit coaming
Jack, I'm very concerned that you have gone such a radical route on
your airplane and departed from tradition. Mr. Pietenpol did not have
"funny pipe" or closed-cell foam insulation in his day so I don't think
you can rightfully call your airplane an Air Camper.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC without funny pipe
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Not sure what mine will be called with all my personal mods done to it...
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| Subject: | Re: waiting on parts or refund |
When it comes time to rebuild your Corvair, and you order your parts, call
William and let him know when you need them to complete your build. I
believe, generally speaking, people that actually are going to use the part
s
right now to get their engine running take precedence over those who are
ordering parts to use in 5 to 10 years. Is that fair? No, not really, but i
t
gets parts to those who actually need them right now versus those who just
want them right now.....
Ryan
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 8:01 AM, <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote:
> I ordered one of the =93My Ex wanted me to quit flying T-shirts=94 from
WW,
> it has been several months, and still no shirt. When it comes time to
> rebuilding my Corvair, I might just make a trip to sunny Florida and
> purchase my parts in person. The cost of a plane ticket will offset the
> frustrations I have read about the shipping time and no response from
> supplier.
>
>
> Brian
>
> SLC
>
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Group,
I was combing through the archives regarding the types of plywood for
rib & fuse gussets and fuselage sides. It seems there is a variety of
types used. I am thinking of ordering from Aircraft spruce or Boulter
plywood.
Which types are most preferred among Piet builders? Thanks.
Finnish Birch 1/16" & 1/8"
African Mahogany or American Birch 1/16" & 1/8"
Okkume =BC" for fuse
Brian
Brian Jardine
L-3 Communications
Operations Project Engineer
640 North 2200 West
P.O.Box 16850
Salt Lake City, UT 84116
L
801-594-3482
brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
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| Subject: | Re: Preferred ply |
Preferred plyI used Finnish birch--Jim Lagowski
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Preferred ply
Group,
I was combing through the archives regarding the types of plywood for
rib & fuse gussets and fuselage sides. It seems there is a variety of
types used. I am thinking of ordering from Aircraft spruce or Boulter
plywood.
Which types are most preferred among Piet builders? Thanks.
Finnish Birch 1/16" & 1/8"
African Mahogany or American Birch 1/16" & 1/8"
Okkume =BC" for fuse
Brian
Brian Jardine
L-3 Communications
Operations Project Engineer
640 North 2200 West
P.O.Box 16850
Salt Lake City, UT 84116
L
801-594-3482
brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
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| Subject: | Introduction and request |
Hello,
My name is Ameet Savant. I live in Omaha, Nebraska.
I haven't really followed the Pietenpol as much in the past until I became aware
of project for sale in California last week. Since then I have been researching
as much as I can. I visited a GN-1 builder/pilot in Iowa. He has been flying
since 1978. I inspected his plane and even successfully tried it on for size.
I owe a big thank you to Tim Willis who belongs this list for spending a lot of
time educating me about the Piet. All I can say is I am hooked!
Well that is the introduction and now on to the request. The project for sale is
in Gilroy, CA. I wanted to see if anyone near that area would be willing to
visit the seller and give me a thumbs up or down as to the condition of the project.
Based on the project photos and conversations I've had with some of the
experienced people there is a more than higher chance that the project is worth
buying. However, I would much rather get a second opinion from some one who
can physically be there and is experienced (even little experience is fine)
in the Piet. The seller is not the builder and is not able to answer some the
questions that my chapter's tech counselor asked. He is trying to find the answers
though.
Please let me know if someone is able/willing to help out. My phone number is 402
516 4546 and my email address is ameetsavant@yahoo.com.
I am hoping to make it to Brodhead this year.
Thanks
Ameet Savant
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| Subject: | Introduction and request |
Ameet,
I am traveling to the SF Bay Area next week and may have time to drop down
to Gilroy to take a peek for you. Certainly I am not the expert that others
may be, and would gladly be substituted by someone who is actually flying a
Piet that they have built. Besides, I am curious as to why in the world
someone would give up a perfectly good project?! You can email me personally
at gboothe5@comcast.net.
I'll be at BH this year and hope to meet you...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear
(12 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ameet Savant
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Introduction and request
Hello,
My name is Ameet Savant. I live in Omaha, Nebraska.
I haven't really followed the Pietenpol as much in the past until I became
aware of project for sale in California last week. Since then I have been
researching as much as I can. I visited a GN-1 builder/pilot in Iowa. He has
been flying since 1978. I inspected his plane and even successfully tried it
on for size.
I owe a big thank you to Tim Willis who belongs this list for spending a lot
of time educating me about the Piet. All I can say is I am hooked!
Well that is the introduction and now on to the request. The project for
sale is in Gilroy, CA. I wanted to see if anyone near that area would be
willing to visit the seller and give me a thumbs up or down as to the
condition of the project. Based on the project photos and conversations I've
had with some of the experienced people there is a more than higher chance
that the project is worth buying. However, I would much rather get a second
opinion from some one who can physically be there and is experienced (even
little experience is fine) in the Piet. The seller is not the builder and is
not able to answer some the questions that my chapter's tech counselor
asked. He is trying to find the answers though.
Please let me know if someone is able/willing to help out. My phone number
is 402 516 4546 and my email address is ameetsavant@yahoo.com.
I am hoping to make it to Brodhead this year.
Thanks
Ameet Savant
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| Subject: | Re: Preferred ply |
I've been using Finnish Birch too. My 1/16" came from Aircraft Spruce, the 1/8th
all came from Boulter. Boulter is little cheaper. If you go with Aircraft
Spruce, make sure they ship it from CA if you're in UT. They tried to ship me
capstrip (to CT) for my ribs from CA and I had to ask to have it sent from GA
and saved a non-trivial amount on the shipping.
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Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=232291#232291
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| Subject: | Re: Preferred ply |
Preferred plyMy Fuselage is all Mahogany, because I like the look of the
dark wood and it is lighter.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Preferred ply
Group,
I was combing through the archives regarding the types of plywood for
rib & fuse gussets and fuselage sides. It seems there is a variety of
types used. I am thinking of ordering from Aircraft spruce or Boulter
plywood.
Which types are most preferred among Piet builders? Thanks.
Finnish Birch 1/16" & 1/8"
African Mahogany or American Birch 1/16" & 1/8"
Okkume =BC" for fuse
Brian
Brian Jardine
L-3 Communications
Operations Project Engineer
640 North 2200 West
P.O.Box 16850
Salt Lake City, UT 84116
L
801-594-3482
brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
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So=85is it dark or lighter? Mine=92s got Mahogany, too.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear
(12 ribs down=85)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
catdesigns@att.net
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Preferred ply
My Fuselage is all Mahogany, because I like the look of the dark wood
and it
is lighter.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Preferred ply
Group,
I was combing through the archives regarding the types of plywood for
rib &
fuse gussets and fuselage sides. It seems there is a variety of types
used.
I am thinking of ordering from Aircraft spruce or Boulter plywood.
Which types are most preferred among Piet builders? Thanks.
Finnish Birch 1/16=94 & 1/8=94
African Mahogany or American Birch 1/16=94 & 1/8=94
Okkume =BC=94 for fuse
Brian
Brian Jardine
L-3 Communications
Operations Project Engineer
640 North 2200 West
P.O.Box 16850
Salt Lake City, UT 84116
L
801-594-3482
brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
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| Subject: | Re: Preferred ply |
Preferred plyBoy that doesn't make much sense now that I read it.
Mahogany is lighter in weight, slightly, then birch.
I should type slower and read more.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:19 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Preferred ply
So.is it dark or lighter? Mine's got Mahogany, too.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear
(12 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
catdesigns@att.net
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:12 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Preferred ply
My Fuselage is all Mahogany, because I like the look of the dark wood
and it is lighter.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Preferred ply
Group,
I was combing through the archives regarding the types of plywood
for rib & fuse gussets and fuselage sides. It seems there is a variety
of types used. I am thinking of ordering from Aircraft spruce or
Boulter plywood.
Which types are most preferred among Piet builders? Thanks.
Finnish Birch 1/16" & 1/8"
African Mahogany or American Birch 1/16" & 1/8"
Okkume =BC" for fuse
Brian
Brian Jardine
L-3 Communications
Operations Project Engineer
640 North 2200 West
P.O.Box 16850
Salt Lake City, UT 84116
L
801-594-3482
brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
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