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1. 12:40 AM - Re: Drilling Aileron Horn Holes (Clif Dawson)
2. 03:22 AM - Re: Re: Harbor Freight Multi Tool (Jack T. Textor)
3. 05:04 AM - Re: Vertical stab and rudder dimensions (Glenn Thomas)
4. 05:44 AM - Re: Re: Vertical stab and rudder dimensions (Jim Quinn)
5. 05:50 AM - Re: Vertical stab and rudder dimensions (Glenn Thomas)
6. 07:44 AM - Re: 80th Anniversary fly-in (John Hofmann)
7. 09:26 AM - Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
8. 09:58 AM - Re: 80th Anniversary fly-in (Steve Eldredge)
9. 10:56 AM - Re: Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary (Phillips, Jack)
10. 11:00 AM - Re: Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary (K5YAC)
11. 11:14 AM - Re: Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary (H RULE)
12. 12:21 PM - Re: Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary (Michael Silvius)
13. 12:44 PM - Re: Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
14. 04:02 PM - Re: Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary (Jeff Boatright)
15. 05:42 PM - Re: Re: Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary (Dortch, Steven D NG NG NGB)
16. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary (Gary Boothe)
17. 07:11 PM - Re: Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary (airlion@bellsouth.net)
18. 07:55 PM - Where is Dirksen International? (Don Emch)
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| Subject: | Re: Drilling Aileron Horn Holes |
Now your talkin!
Clif
"Inspiration, when it arrives, should find us hard at work." - Pablo
Picasso
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Drilling Aileron Horn Holes
I used my =BC inch air ratchet. I cut a 3/16 drill just short enough
to fit, then wrapped with electrical tape and slid into the smallest =BC
inch socket I had. It worked great! Jack
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| Subject: | Re: Harbor Freight Multi Tool |
Glenn,
I just tested on some scrap, its cuts were smooth.
Jack
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical stab and rudder dimensions |
There is a little group of cross-section drawings labeled with these dimensions
and the shape after rounding/rabbet cutting on the right middle of location of
the empennage page.
The leading edge of the vertical stabilizer is 1"x3/4"
The back of the vertical stabilizer is 1'x1".
The bottom vertical stabilizer tapers from 1"x1" to 1"x3/4"
The front of the rudder (hinged main spar) is 1" x 1"
The trailing edge of the rudder is 1 1/4" x 5/8" (I made mine 1 3/8" vs. 1 1/4"
to have more wood for shaping.)
The sides taper from 1" x 1" to 1" x 5/8".
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N?????
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical stab and rudder dimensions |
Thanks Glenn, very helpful! I thought the small drawings only related to the
horizontal stab and elevators.
Thanks again,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 7:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical stab and rudder dimensions
> <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
>
> There is a little group of cross-section drawings labeled with these
> dimensions and the shape after rounding/rabbet cutting on the right middle
> of location of the empennage page.
>
> The leading edge of the vertical stabilizer is 1"x3/4"
> The back of the vertical stabilizer is 1'x1".
> The bottom vertical stabilizer tapers from 1"x1" to 1"x3/4"
>
> The front of the rudder (hinged main spar) is 1" x 1"
> The trailing edge of the rudder is 1 1/4" x 5/8" (I made mine 1 3/8" vs. 1
> 1/4" to have more wood for shaping.)
> The sides taper from 1" x 1" to 1" x 5/8".
>
> --------
> Glenn Thomas
> N?????
> http://www.flyingwood.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233847#233847
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical stab and rudder dimensions |
It's one of those areas that isn't crystal clear but since they are not given specifically,
those are the dimensions I went with. Pretty sure that's what B.H.P.
meant.
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| Subject: | Re: 80th Anniversary fly-in |
Hi Jeff,
I am pretty sure HXF is not in conflict with the NOTAM.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Mar 7, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Jeff Boatright wrote:
> >
>
> My original flight plan for 2GA9 to OSH had HXF as the "regroup and
> make final" stop prior to going to OSH. I had not, however,
> considered the impact of the OSH NOTAM arrival procedures.
>
> John, is there a conflict with using HXF in terms of the NOTAM?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>> Juneau gets real busy the Sunday before OSH. I know a lot of people
>> stop there and are treated well, however since there is some
>> strategery involved here I would suggest Hartford (HXF) as an
>> alternative. It is 14.1 nm on the 110 radial from UNU. Runway
>> 18/36 is 2000 x 200 grass with good approaches and 11/29 is just
>> shy of 3000 with useable grass on the North side of the runway.
>> There is 24 hour credit card fuel (100LL and still 93 stinky car
>> gas) and it is home of the Cub Club so there are lots of
>> taildraggers (18 or so Cubs based there) and there would be less
>> congestion than UNU. Either choice would probably be fine but I
>> have a bias to Hartford as that is where I am based. I can do some
>> followup with Steve Krog if anyone is interested. Steve E and
>> Mikee, you used Hartford as the gathering point in 1999 I think?
>>
>> -john-
>
>
> --
> ---
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
> Editor-in-Chief
> Molecular Vision
>
>
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| Subject: | Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary |
of possible interest:
http://www.barnstormingmovie.com/
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| Subject: | 80th Anniversary fly-in |
I've flown to OSH twice and both times it was in mass formation. First
time in the Pietenpol, and then last year in the Stinson. I've never flown
the Fiske arrival... Strange but true. In '99 we staged at Hartford, and
last year we staged the Stinson flyin at Watertown. With the exception of
having Frozen Custard within walking distance at Waterford, Hartford would
be my choice again for the piet, if I were to fly it again. Even at only
14 or 15 miles away, it is a difficult thing to get an entire cloud of piet
s together in some sort of order at the landing end of the journey. It is
a good idea to go in groups of 4-5 ships, although I'll never forget being
in a gaggle of airplanes going the same general direction. I thought I was
in a WW1 fighter squadron! In '99 we had one landing mishap that closed t
he airport. Crosswinds blew wake turbulence from a landing DC3 on the par
allel runway and slammed a piet into the ground, causing a gear collapse an
d prop strike. No injuries, but sorrowful end for one fellow pietenpoller.
It could have been avoided if we had more separation smaller groups wou
ld have helped.
Hartford is a great airport with a grass runway, close to hotels too.
Steve E.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 80th Anniversary fly-in
Juneau gets real busy the Sunday before OSH. I know a lot of people stop th
ere and are treated well, however since there is some strategery involved h
ere I would suggest Hartford (HXF) as an alternative. It is 14.1 nm on the
110 radial from UNU. Runway 18/36 is 2000 x 200 grass with good approaches
and 11/29 is just shy of 3000 with useable grass on the North side of the
runway. There is 24 hour credit card fuel (100LL and still 93 stinky car ga
s) and it is home of the Cub Club so there are lots of taildraggers (18 or
so Cubs based there) and there would be less congestion than UNU. Either ch
oice would probably be fine but I have a bias to Hartford as that is where
I am based. I can do some followup with Steve Krog if anyone is interested.
Steve E and Mikee, you used Hartford as the gathering point in 1999 I thin
k?
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com<mailto:jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
On Mar 6, 2009, at 9:34 PM, gcardinal wrote:
Thanks for posting the link Mike.
Oshkosh is only 4 1/2 months away and here is how things are shaping up for
this years 80th anniversary:
Brodhead is being scheduled and promoted as Thursday through Saturday, July
23 - 25.
On Sunday, July 26th we depart Brodhead and fly to an airport close to Oshk
osh to make arrival arrangements with OSH tower. Juneau, WI (UNU) is lookin
g like a strong possibility because it is close and it is a straight flight
up highway 26 to Oshkosh.
Small groups of 4 - 5 planes, with a radio equipped flight leader, will dep
art UNU for Oshkosh via the Fisk arrival route.
Tailskid equipped Pietenpols will use the ultralight arrival procedure.
The 2009 Oshkosh NOTAM will be available in April or May. A link will be po
sted when it becomes available.
Some questions for everyone:
1. Who is planning to fly their Piet to Oshkosh?
2. Who is radio equipped and willing to act as a group leader on the flight
to OSH?
3. Who is planning to drive from Brodhead to OSH and would be willing to ha
ul camping gear and baggage?
If you know someone with a Pietenpol who isn't on this list please encourag
e them to consider attending.
Don Emch - can you contact Frank Pavliga to see if he is willing to attend?
John Hoffman or Roman Bukolt - you guys live in the area, what can you tell
us about the Juneau airport? Most importantly, is the grass adjacent to th
e runways suitable for landing during the summer months?
This should be enough to get the conversations started.
If anyone wants to contact me directly I can be reached at 612 721-6235 eve
nings or gcardinal@comcast.net<mailto:gcardinal@comcast.net>
Ideas and suggestions are encouraged.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]<mailto:michael
.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: If you are flying into OSH.....read this when you
get a chance
For those of you who are planning to fly into Oshkosh for the 80th Annivers
ary gathering you've read the notes in Doc Mosher's paper BPAN Newsletter p
enned by Bill Rewey but here is another great introduction/familiarization
article entitled: Understanding Air Traffic Control at EAA AirVenture Oshk
osh.
To read more: http://www.airventure.org/atc/
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con
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| Subject: | Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary |
Cool! Another movie to bore the wife with! She suffered through "Sink
the Bismarck" with me last night. Poor thing - there was not a love
story in sight.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 12:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary
of possible interest:
http://www.barnstormingmovie.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary |
Very cool.
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Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary |
Sink the Bismark is a love story;it's all about this plane(string bag) that
had a thing for this bad boat called Bismark and put one in her tail secti
on that broke her rudder.Now how much more romantic can that be eh?!=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary |
Not a love story but a flying movie
http://www.fancast.com/movies/633-Squadron/14175/840915147/633-Squadron:-
Full-Length/videos?autoPlay=true
Michael in snowy Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: H RULE
Sink the Bismark is a love story;it's all about this plane(string bag)
that had a thing for this bad boat called Bismark and put one in her
tail section that broke her rudder.Now how much more romantic can that
be eh?!
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| Subject: | Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary |
This is one of my favorite airplane movies....Kind of funny....WW11
British woman falls for American Fly boy based in Britian. You can click
on the link and watch if you are bored.....:)
http://www.fancast.com/movies/633-Squadron/14175/840915147/633-Squadron:
-Full-Length/videos?autoPlay=true
----- Original Message -----
From: H RULE <mailto:harvey.rule@rogers.com>
Sink the Bismark is a love story;it's all about this
plane(string bag) that had a thing for this bad boat called Bismark and
put one in her tail section that broke her rudder.Now how much more
romantic can that be eh?!
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| Subject: | Re: Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary |
Where is the Dirkesn International Airport, or is this intentionally
left unsaid? ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary |
Just finished 633 squadron. I enjoyed it. However, I find it interesting that the
Mosquito must have had the aelerons attached so that they worked opposite of
any plane I have been in. If the pilot input a right roll then the plane rolled
left. and vice versa. The only time they seemed to respond correctly was when
a navigator pulled the dead pilot off of the yoke and rolled the plane into
the target! It also did it when a pilot of a mosquito on fire rolled into the
target.
Also I had no Idea that the ME 108 Taifun (a four seat liaison plane related to
the ME 109 fighter) was fast enough to catch a Mosquito and could maneuver like
a fighter.
My grandson and I watched it togather and It held his interest and mine. So I was
pretty Happy.
Blue Skies and thanks for the link.
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary
> This is one of my favorite airplane movies....Kind of funny....WW11
> British woman falls for American Fly boy based in Britian. You can
> clickon the link and watch if you are bored.....:)
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.fancast.com/movies/633-Squadron/14175/840915147/633-
> Squadron:-Full-Length/videos?autoPlay=true
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: H RULE <mailto:harvey.rule@rogers.com>
>
>
>
> Sink the Bismark is a love story;it's all about this
> plane(string bag) that had a thing for this bad boat called Bismark and
> put one in her tail section that broke her rudder.Now how much more
> romantic can that be eh?!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary |
I was going to say, "It's no wonder that their ailerons work backwards...so
do their engines!" But, then I remembered...I have a corvair...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear
(13 ribs down.)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
Steven D NG NG NGB
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming
documentary
<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Just finished 633 squadron. I enjoyed it. However, I find it interesting
that the Mosquito must have had the aelerons attached so that they worked
opposite of any plane I have been in. If the pilot input a right roll then
the plane rolled left. and vice versa. The only time they seemed to respond
correctly was when a navigator pulled the dead pilot off of the yoke and
rolled the plane into the target! It also did it when a pilot of a mosquito
on fire rolled into the target.
Also I had no Idea that the ME 108 Taifun (a four seat liaison plane related
to the ME 109 fighter) was fast enough to catch a Mosquito and could
maneuver like a fighter.
My grandson and I watched it togather and It held his interest and mine. So
I was pretty Happy.
Blue Skies and thanks for the link.
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Frank Pavliga's Piet/ Barnstorming documentary
> This is one of my favorite airplane movies....Kind of funny....WW11
> British woman falls for American Fly boy based in Britian. You can
> clickon the link and watch if you are bored.....:)
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.fancast.com/movies/633-Squadron/14175/840915147/633-
> Squadron:-Full-Length/videos?autoPlay=true
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: H RULE <mailto:harvey.rule@rogers.com>
>
>
>
> Sink the Bismark is a love story;it's all about this
> plane(string bag) that had a thing for this bad boat called Bismark and
> put one in her tail section that broke her rudder.Now how much more
> romantic can that be eh?!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Where is Dirksen International? |
As Andrew King would say....
"somewhere near the Wabash River..."
Don Emch
NX899DE
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