Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 03/16/09


Total Messages Posted: 18



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     1. 05:03 AM - Re: manuals for free download (Gene & Tammy)
     2. 06:15 AM - Re: Birthday flying (skellytown flyer)
     3. 06:36 AM - Re: Airport is in trouble!! (SteveR)
     4. 06:40 AM - Re: Airport is in trouble!! (jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com)
     5. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: Airport is in trouble!! (H RULE)
     6. 07:41 AM - Re: Birthday flying (Michael Perez)
     7. 07:50 AM - Bare wood wing storage (Michael Perez)
     8. 08:19 AM - Re: Stuck Value (Pieti Lowell)
     9. 09:11 AM - Re: Airport is in trouble!! (Al Hays)
    10. 09:51 AM - Re: Airport in trouble (bike.mike@comcast.net)
    11. 09:55 AM - Re: Airport is in trouble!! (Charles Tracy)
    12. 10:17 AM - Re: Airport in trouble (Mike Volckmann)
    13. 10:19 AM - Re: Airport in trouble (H RULE)
    14. 10:37 AM - Re: Airport in trouble (Tim Willis)
    15. 11:00 AM - Re: Shad's recon (Tim Willis)
    16. 12:21 PM - Re: Bare wood wing storage (Michael Groah)
    17. 12:47 PM - Re: Bare wood wing storage (Jack T. Textor)
    18. 02:03 PM - Re: Airport is in trouble!! (Joemotis@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:03:18 AM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
    Subject: Re: manuals for free download
    Silverware hidden, beer drank and wife sent out of town.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 2:48 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: manuals for free download Hide the silverware..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: manuals for free download John, I live in Camden, Tenn. Camden is half way between Memphis and Nashville. Turn off I 40 at exit 126 and go North on 641 about 15 miles. Randy Bush lives just East of Jackson (about exit 91) and has a very nice corvair powered Pietenpol. Would love to meet you and show you my Piet and I'm sure Randy would too. My # is 731-336-6893 and Randy's is 731-441-9164. Just talked with Randy and he said for you to give him a call and if he is in the area he would love to show you his bird. Looking forward to hearing from you Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: amsafetyc@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: manuals for free download Gene Where are you located in Tn. I will be in Memphis monday night and Tuesday then Drive to Nashville area Wednesday back to Memphis that night Thur Memphis and Friday home. Any other Piets in those areas? I would like to do a look by if possible. Thanks John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: "Gene & Tammy" Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:42:04 -0500 To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: manuals for free download Bill, I'll go one step further, I think Pietenpol builders and flyers are missing out if they don't use the FlyBaby site. Good info thru out. Gene in wet Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: manuals for free download Just stumbled across a link on the Flybaby website that is likely of interest to Pietenpol builders who are using traditional aircraft engines for their powerplants. This site has lots of manuals for Continental and Lycoming engines, as well as accessories and lots of other good stuff. And they're all free downloads. Here's the link: http://www.bomar.biz/download.php Bill C. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3/14/2009 6:54 AM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution =========== ~=B2=03 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - 3/14/2009 6:54 AM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 3/14/2009 6:54 AM


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    Time: 06:15:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Birthday flying
    From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano@att.net>
    Great mission report-we need those this time of year to get us back into the flying mode instead of the shivering mode.I do anyway! thanks. enjoy all the building stuff but sometimes it is good to read about what we all want to end up with.Raymond do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234807#234807


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    Time: 06:36:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Airport is in trouble!!
    From: "SteveR" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
    Shad, I'm sure you know this, but time is extremely important here. If they have already done a survey of the underground utilities, they may be about to start construction. It is extremely important to get this changed before they put the poles in the ground at the runway, once they've spent money there it will be very hard to get them to undo this. I would contact the FAA as indicated by someone else, and AOPA. You may have to push the FAA, call as many offices as you can, and call the local FSDO. Keep talking to them until you find someone willing to help, that is probably the key. Check the Electric Co's website. Try to find contact information for the engineers they have designing this thing. Somewhere they have engineers deciding if this thing will be buried or overhead. Let them know that there are issues with what they are proposing. Cite other FAA rulings that prevented such towers from being built (even if you don't have detailed information). This is key as if the engineer thinks he is about to screw something up that will cost the company money, he may be willing to change their design. Let them know that a lawsuit is intended if they move forward. They are infringing on and reducing the value of as well as your ability to use your property, OUTSIDE of any right of way that would be issued. As someone stated before, simply routing the lines underground for a short length, maybe 150', would prevent this. The utility could do this, and I would guess the additional cost would be somewhere in the $10k to $20k range, maybe less, to bury the lines. http://consolidatedelectric.coop/ Corporate Office 5255 State Route 95 P.O. Box 111 Mount Gilead, OH 43338 Phone: (419) 947-3055 Fax: (419) 947-3082 District Office 680 Sunbury Road P.O. Box 630 Delaware, OH 43015 Phone: (740) 363-2641 Fax: (740) 369-1804 As a last resort, if they aren't cooperating, you may see if you can get a group of pilots or property owners at the airport to come up with money as a partial payment to bury the lines. I know that isn't right or fair, but as a last resort, it would beat having your runway ruined. $5k to $10k might be enough to entice the utility to change their mind. I'm an electrical engineer and deal with utility engineers on a regular basis for commercial construction projects. If you would like, give me a call and I'll see if I can give you some better advice. Steve Ruse Norman, OK 405-209-9010 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234812#234812


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    Time: 06:40:03 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Airport is in trouble!!
    From: jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com
    Shad, Having read through the replies, you are on the right track, A couple of things I thought of. I don't know how Ohio is, but in the state of Iowa, any utility must have an easement both temporary for construction and permanent for maintenance, if the Owner of the airfield owns the entire strip then they should have to obtain his/her signature for the easement, if that person refuses to sign, then they will have to pursue eminent domain, which is not a quick process. Also contact the County Engineer to find out when the project was approved by the County board of Supervisors. If they are doing preliminary survey work, then they should contact home owners prior to entering their property, unless they have an easment, or a court order, otherwise it's trespassing. Also dont' be affarid to question them when they are on the airfield or your property, Jake


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    Time: 07:22:55 AM PST US
    From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
    Subject: Re: Airport is in trouble!!
    Go out and move all the surveyors pegs and they will put it in according to where you moved them.They won't check again because they believe it was do ne right the first time.=0A=0A=0Ado not archive-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________ ______________________=0AFrom: SteveR <steve@wotelectronics.com>=0ATo: piet enpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:35:48 AM=0ASubjec t: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airport is in trouble!!=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List mess age posted by: "SteveR" <steve@wotelectronics.com>=0A=0AShad,=0A=0AI'm sure you- know this, but time is extremely important here.- If they have al ready done a survey of the underground utilities, they may be about to star t construction.- It is extremely important to get this changed before the y put the poles in the ground at the runway, once they've spent money there it will be very hard to get them to undo this.=0A=0AI would contact the FA A as indicated by someone else, and AOPA.- You may have to push the FAA, call as many offices as you can, and call the local FSDO.- Keep talking t o them until you find someone willing to help, that is probably the key.=0A =0ACheck the Electric Co's website.- Try to find contact information for the engineers they have designing this thing.- Somewhere they have engine ers deciding if this thing will be buried or overhead.- Let them know tha t there are issues with what they are proposing.- Cite other FAA rulings that prevented such towers from being built (even if you don't have detaile d information).- This is key as if the engineer thinks he is about to scr ew something up that will cost the company money, he may be willing to chan ge their design.- Let them know that a lawsuit is intended if they move f orward.- They are infringing on and reducing the value of as well as your ability to use your property, OUTSIDE of any right of way that would be is sued.- As someone stated before, simply routing the lines underground for a short length, maybe 150', would prevent this.- The utility could do th is, and I would guess the additional cost would be somewhere in the $10k to $20k range, maybe less, to bury th!=0Ae lines.- =0A=0Ahttp://consolidatedelec tric.coop/=0A=0ACorporate Office=0A5255 State Route 95 =0AP.O. Box 111=0AMo unt Gilead, OH 43338 =0APhone: (419) 947-3055=0AFax: (419) 947-3082-- - =0A=0ADistrict Office =0A680 Sunbury Road=0AP.O. Box 630=0ADelaware, OH 43015 =0APhone: (740) 363-2641=0AFax: (740) 369-1804=0A=0AAs a last resort , if they aren't cooperating, you may see if you can get a group- of pilo ts or property owners at the airport to come up with money as a partial pay ment to bury the lines.- I know that isn't right or fair, but as a last r esort, it would beat having your runway ruined.- $5k to $10k might be eno ugh to entice the utility to change their mind.=0A=0AI'm an electrical engi neer and deal with utility engineers on a regular basis for commercial cons truction projects.- If you would like, give me a call and I'll see if I c an give you some better advice.=0A=0ASteve Ruse=0ANorman, OK=0A405-209-9010 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.co -========================


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    Time: 07:41:44 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Birthday flying
    Wonder why they can't go under ground?- No need to build power poles abov e ground. - --- On Sun, 3/15/09, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote: From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Birthday flying Hello group, And thank you all for the advise on protecting our airport, (E specciallyTim Willis in sunny TX)-.- On a much lighter note I mannaged to get out of work an hour early, because no jets were broke today, and I d id some flying.- I took the old latex, chevy, go cart wheeled recon-mac hine up and around to do some areial-recon work to find the suspected tar get (power substation).- I am assuming it is the one to the south, bearin g 180 deg from my house and range 2 miles.- I tried to find some other ro utes for the proposed pole line to run, but due to my lack of high alt, hig h speed sr-71 cammeras I could not take photos.- Oh well time to call in the aztecs, barrons and bonanzas for a bomb run, then finish them off with rv-4, and Cassutt-straffing runs.- Made 3 good landings and did not bre ak anything so all is well and back at base.- Who knows what tommoroww's intel will reveal about the electric co. nazi's.- - Untill tommorow, Capt Shadly Sundowner - P.S. I know we all need power lines but not at the threshhold.


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    Time: 07:50:04 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Bare wood wing storage
    I hung my newly finished right wing up in the gargage flat against the wall . It is just a bare wood wing. (no cover, no cables) The garrage is attache d to the house but no heat/cooling. Curious if this is an all right environ ment to-store the wing as I build the left one and fuselage? Our garage i s-only used for our cars and is kept quite clean. (no lawn equip., toys, tools, etc.)


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    Time: 08:19:03 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Stuck Value
    From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
    Hi Dan' The Funk head has the intake valve clearance for a 1-1/2"dia. valve head and a 6.25:1 compression ratio. All in a Ford B block. A good head for 63 HP. and pushing a 76 X 50 Prop. to 2175 RPM Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234833#234833


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    Time: 09:11:34 AM PST US
    From: Al Hays <alhays@hickoryhillfarmsheep.com>
    Subject: Re: Airport is in trouble!!
    Shad, You'll find a lot of essential information and ,hopefully, valuable assistance from the Office of Aviation in the Ohio Department of Transportation (ODOT). Go to the website - www.dot.state.oh.us and click on the aviation icon. Then under Aviation Links, click on ODOT Office of Aviation. There you will find a link to Airports which and further links to laws and regulations regarding Airspace Protection (Tall Structures). Of particular interest will be whether a permit has been applied for - see Ohio Revised Code 4561.33 Application for permit. You might find help and support through the Ohio Aviation Association ( www.ohioaviation.org ) and should probably join it. To quote from the pop up caption under the Aviation icon on the ODOT Homepage, "As home to the Wright Brothers, Ohio has long been known as the 'Birthplace of Aviation'." With that in mind, I think you are likely to succeed. Al Hays 48VA, Gore, VA On Mar 14, 2009, at 11:19 PM, shad bell wrote: > > To all recieving this email, > My name is Shad Bell, and this email is sent to all aviation > enthusiast I know. I live on a grass airport community in central > Ohio and the power company (Consolidated Electric Co-Op) is trying > to run 70+ ft power lines directly over the top of the runway thresh > hold. After being notified of this problem by the airport (runway) > owner , I believe he said other than right of way by the township > there is no easement yet for the side of my property or the runway > ( I live on a corner lot and the runway comes out to the side > street). This will effectivly shorten our runway about 1/3 from > 3000 to 2000 ft. With no warning I have survey steaks and pins > driven in my yard and back accross the runway. To all of you who > have any experiance with this "Bully the small guy" stuff I am > looking for advise on stoping the power company from destroying this > airport. Eventually someone is going to get killed from hitting a > electric line 70 ft above a runway here, (or nobody will be able to > fly out of here anymore) . Is there any hope of stoping this from > happening. Should I contact EAA, and can they help, AOPA? This > airport has been here for 30+ years and now it looks like some a-- > hole with $$$$$ is going to tell me too bad so sad, and thanks for > paying your electric bill on time every month. Please feel free to > let me know any and all options we can fight this with. > > Sincerly, Shad Bell > >


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    Time: 09:51:57 AM PST US
    From: bike.mike@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Airport in trouble
    It is quite a bit more expensive to go underground. It requires different cable, continuous trenches take a lot more digging than pole holes, and most power companies' (particularly rural) maintenance facilities are already very well equipped to install and maintain wires on poles but are not very well equipped to install and maintain underground cables. If not required by some enforcement action to go underground, they will set poles and string wires. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Perez" <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:39:11 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Birthday flying Wonder why they can't go under ground? No need to build power poles above ground. - _


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    Time: 09:55:12 AM PST US
    From: Charles Tracy <charlestracy2635@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Airport is in trouble!!
    Shad, =0A=0AYou have a utility engineer lurking in your midst. I have worke d on this issue for my utility and I think I can provide some incite. If yo ur airport is registered with the FAA (and it sounds like it is) any constr uction that would impede air traffic must be submitted to the FAA for appro val. I have attached the form that the utility would have to fill out and s end to the FAA. Many utilities don't know that they need to do this and the FAA does not actively enforce it so it is up to us to keep them honest. =0A=0AFirst I would provide this form to the utility and inform them of the ir responsibility. Ask for the Field Engineer or Staker in charge or this j ob.-If that doesn't work go to the manager of Engineering. Then I would r ecommend that you contact the FAA's regional office. They would be the ones who analyze the forms submitted.=0A=0AIf the utility chose to go ahead wit h the line they must submit the form to the FAA. The FAA then checks to see if it impedes air traffic, in this case it does. They some times will requ ire the line to be marked with balls or lights but in this case they would probably not allow construction. In any case I would try and file a formal complaint that would be used when the FAA looks at the form. =0A=0AMy utili ty is a Co-op also and we try to be very accomidating to our membership. I hope that you find them easy to work with. Remind them that they are member owned and that the members at the airport won't hesitate to go to the Co-o p board if nessisary.-=0A=0AGood Luck,=0A=0ACharlie Tracy=0A=0A=0A=0A____ ____________________________=0AFrom: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>=0ATo : Pietenpol Discussion <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Saturday, Mar ch 14, 2009 8:19:08 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Airport is in trouble!! =0A=0A=0ATo all recieving this email,=0AMy name is Shad Bell, and this emai l is sent to all aviation enthusiast I know.- I live on a grass airport c ommunity in central Ohio-and the power company (Consolidated Electric Co- Op) is trying to run 70+ ft power lines directly over the top of the runway thresh hold.- After being notified of this problem by the airport (runwa y) owner , I believe he said other than right of way by the township there is no easement yet for the side of my property or the runway ( I live on a corner lot and the runway comes out to the side street).- This will effec tivly shorten our runway about 1/3 from 3000 to 2000 ft.- With no warning I have survey steaks and pins driven in my yard and back accross the runwa y.- To all of you who have any experiance with this "Bully the small guy" stuff I am looking for advise on stoping the power company from destroying this airport.- Eventually someone is going to get killed from hitting a electric line 70 ft above a runway here, (or nobody will be able to fly out of here anymore) .- Is there any hope of stoping this from happening.- Should I contact EAA, and can they help , AOPA?- This airport has been here for 30+ years and now it looks like s ome a--hole with $$$$$ is going to tell me too bad so sad, and thanks for p aying your electric bill on time every month.- Please feel free to let me know any and all options we can fight this with.=0A=0ASincerly, Shad Bell ================ =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 10:17:46 AM PST US
    From: Mike Volckmann <mike_cfi@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Airport in trouble
    The other thing that most do not understand, is that if they do go undergro und the rates for their customers need to go up to pay for the additional c onstruction and maintenance costs.- In the states that I have experience with then the utilities commission starts asking why they went underground and need to roll those costs into the rate base.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________ ____________________=0AFrom: "bike.mike@comcast.net" <bike.mike@comcast.net >=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:51:01 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airport in trouble=0A=0A=0AIt is quite a bit more expensive to go underground.- It requires different cable, cont inuous trenches take a lot more digging than pole holes, and most power com panies' (particularly rural) maintenance facilities are already very well e quipped to install and maintain wires on poles but are not very well equipp ed to install and maintain underground cables.- If not required by some e nforcement action to go underground, they will set poles and string wires. =0A- =0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0AFrom: "Michael Perez" <speedbra ke@sbcglobal.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:39:11 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-L ist: Birthday flying=0A=0A=0AWonder why they can't go under ground?- No n eed to build power poles above ground.=0A=0A=0A=0A- =0A =0A =0A _=0A ==========


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    Time: 10:19:16 AM PST US
    From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
    Subject: Re: Airport in trouble
    We have a situation much like this at our local Embrum air strip just outsi de Ottawa Canada.What they did was put marker balls(huge big plastic balls in red and white) on the cables.What most of us do is fly in then drop down quick and land.The alternative is to fly under them(not recommended).Our a irspeed in a Piet isn't that fast that it's going to make that much differe nce however faster aircraft may have problems.It may be possible to come in and fly parallel to the cables till you come to the strip and then turn an d drop down sort of the same way a Spitfire comes in to a field because the y have that long nose.Most of the time,once these utility companies have ma de up their minds that they are going a certain way,it's really hard to tur n them around or away.Sort of like fighting City Hall-.That's my take on it for what it's worth.Good luck!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________________ _____=0AFrom: "bike.mike@comcast.net" <bike.mike@comcast.net>=0ATo: pietenp ol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:51:01 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airport in trouble=0A=0A=0AIt is quite a bit more expe nsive to go underground.- It requires different cable, continuous trenche s take a lot more digging than pole holes, and most power companies' (parti cularly rural) maintenance facilities are already very well equipped to ins tall and maintain wires on poles but are not very well equipped to install and maintain underground cables.- If not required by some enforcement act ion to go underground, they will set poles and string wires.=0A- =0A=0A-- --- Original Message -----=0AFrom: "Michael Perez" <speedbrake@sbcglobal.ne t>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:39:1 1 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Birthday f lying=0A=0A=0AWonder why they can't go under ground?- No need to build po =============


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    Time: 10:37:26 AM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Airport in trouble
    Bikemike's comments are absolutely right, but: the utility is infringing upon the use of the airfield, which puts them in a bad legal situation in many respects, as well as creating a hazard to aviation, a liability no-no. they have a prospective PR nightmare on their hands if the owner and pilots band together and raise a ruckus. the utility must bury plant all the time in subdivisions or cities that require that. They don't like to do it, for the labor, process, and materials are more costly and time-consuming. As a compromise position after some other steps have failed , the airport management might offer to either pay for or contract to execute the trench at the locus of the intended pole line. The electric co-op would provide, place and install the two terminals, the conduit, etc. In Ohio you are likely talking a trencher. Here in TX, west of I-35, the 9 ft. dia. rock saw required rents for over $1000 a day. I have advised Shad off-board of a number of steps to take both in parallel and sequentially (progressively more adversial steps). The advice and the contacts of all the members of this board, as usual have been excellent. Shad has all the elements of a great game plan. Of course, a lot depends upon the position and attitude of the utility. Good luck, Shad. Keep us posted. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: bike.mike@comcast.net >Sent: Mar 16, 2009 11:51 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airport in trouble > >It is quite a bit more expensive to go underground. It requires different cable, continuous trenches take a lot more digging than pole holes, and most power companies' (particularly rural) maintenance facilities are already very well equipped to install and maintain wires on poles but are not very well equipped to install and maintain underground cables. If not required by some enforcement action to go underground, they will set poles and string wires. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Perez" <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:39:11 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Birthday flying > > >Wonder why they can't go under ground? No need to build power poles above ground. > > >- > > > > >_


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    Time: 11:00:59 AM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Shad's recon
    Shad, Before you "release the dogs of war" on the electric co-op, ask Oscar for a pic of his "gunsight." The "Pietenpol Avenger" or "Pietenpol Devastator"? Remember to to dive more steeply and release payload higher than you might think ;) Tim in central TX do not archive


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    Time: 12:21:58 PM PST US
    From: Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Bare wood wing storage
    I hung mine up from the ceiling as well, but I varnished them first to seal them.- --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bare wood wing storage I hung my newly finished right wing up in the gargage flat against the wall . It is just a bare wood wing. (no cover, no cables) The garrage is attache d to the house but no heat/cooling. Curious if this is an all right environ ment to-store the wing as I build the left one and fuselage? Our garage i s-only used for our cars and is kept quite clean. (no lawn equip., toys, tools, etc.) =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 12:47:32 PM PST US
    Subject: Bare wood wing storage
    From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
    My first wing, after varnish was hung on my basement ceiling. The wood for that wing had been in the heated basement for two years. The other day when getting ready to store my second wing I noticed quite a few loose bolts on the first one. I had no idea the wood dried out and shrunk that much after storing in the controlled atmosphere. Jack www.textors.com


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    Time: 02:03:10 PM PST US
    From: Joemotis@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Airport is in trouble!!
    Amen to that, if they surveyed across your property without an easement or your permission, feel free to remove the ILLEGAL survey stakes after you take pictures then contact law enforcement to pursue trespassing charges. Joe Motis WW Corvair Dealt with this crap at my airpark for a water line, they tried to push me into a easement through a certified letter including playing stupid with me and when asked for compensation you should have heard him sputter. . This was 5 years ago and still no water line. no archive In a message dated 3/16/2009 6:40:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com writes: Shad, Having read through the replies, you are on the right track, A couple of things I thought of. I don't know how Ohio is, but in the state of Iowa, any utility must have an easement both temporary for construction and permanent for maintenance, if the Owner of the airfield owns the entire strip then they should have to obtain his/her signature for the easement, if that person refuses to sign, then they will have to pursue eminent domain, which is not a quick process. Also contact the County Engineer to find out when the project was approved by the County board of Supervisors. If they are doing preliminary survey work, then they should contact home owners prior to entering their property, unless they have an easment, or a court order, otherwise it's trespassing. Also dont' be affarid to question them when they are on the airfield or your property, Jake (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)




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