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1. 06:11 AM - Citation list--- new member (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
2. 06:23 AM - Re: Citation list--- new member (TOM STINEMETZE)
3. 09:59 AM - Re: manuals for free download (amsafetyc@aol.com)
4. 10:17 AM - Oscar has another article in the EAA Experimenter e-letter (Tim Willis)
5. 10:33 AM - 4130 (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
6. 11:01 AM - Re: 4130 (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
7. 12:48 PM - Re: 4130 (gcardinal)
8. 02:37 PM - Re: 4130 (Michael Perez)
9. 03:20 PM - Free Waldo Peppers Again! (Tim Verthein)
10. 03:47 PM - Re: Airport in trouble (Tim Verthein)
11. 05:17 PM - Re: 4130 (Jack Phillips)
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Subject: | Citation list--- new member |
Apparently the folks at Corporate Air, LLC at Allegheny Co. Airport near Pi
ttsburgh think that I own an 18,700 pound Cessna Citation 560 XL
business jet. I received and invoice for a landing I supposedly made in 4
8MC on 2/2/09 with a fee due of $25.20. I explained to the nice lady ove
r the
phone that 48MC is a small, open cockpit homebuilt that doesn't even have a
radio, let alone all of the avionics required to fly into their Class B
airspace. She assured me that the line guys 'probably got the tail number
wrong' and would expunge me from her invoice files. For a while there
I thought I was going to have to join the Citation list......
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Citation list--- new member |
Some folks get all the glory. Imagine having your Air Camper mistaken for
a Spam Can (or, in the case of a Citation, probably a caviar can.)
Tom Stinemetze
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>>> "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy
@nasa.gov> 3/18/2009 8:07 AM >>>
Apparently the folks at Corporate Air, LLC at Allegheny Co. Airport near
Pittsburgh think that I own an 18,700 pound Cessna Citation 560 XL
business jet. I received and invoice for a landing I supposedly made in
48MC on 2/2/09 with a fee due of $25.20. I explained to the nice lady
over the
phone that 48MC is a small, open cockpit homebuilt that doesn't even have
a radio, let alone all of the avionics required to fly into their Class B
airspace. She assured me that the line guys 'probably got the tail number
wrong' and would expunge me from her invoice files. For a while there
I thought I was going to have to join the Citation list......
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: manuals for free download |
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Subject: | Oscar has another article in the EAA Experimenter e-letter |
Oscar has done it again. His latest article is on an 85-year old design, a "Longster,"
and adapting it to modern engines and construction. Good for you, Oscar...
again. It's great to see your many contributions.
Tim in central TX
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Group,
In purchasing a sheet of 4130 for my fittings it is offered in
"Annealed" or "Normalized" state, which is preferred? Also what size of
sheet do most builders get that can get the number of fitting I need on
it? Thanks.
Brian
Brian Jardine
L-3 Communications
Operations Project Engineer
640 North 2200 West
P.O.Box 16850
Salt Lake City, UT 84116
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801-594-3482
brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
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Brian,
All of the 4130 I used was normalized, 4130 N. You'll have to figure ho
w many fittings you can get out of what sized sheet but the two
main thicknesses used in the airplane are .060 and .090. If you have a m
etal fab shop in your area they might have a shear where they
can cut you strips of what widths you need as most fittings are like widths
for various 'areas' on the plane. You can order 4130 in widths
from ACS I believe. I copied my plans where it showed full size fittings
or drew them out on paper then Uhu-glue sticked them right on to
my 4130 and drilled and cut/ground to the lines/circles.
Don't forget to observe the 4130 grain direction, bending rules, and edge f
inishing tips that Tony Bingelis has in his books such as the
grain of the steel runs with the white lettering on the sheet, your fitting
s should run that way length-wise too. Bends are perpendicular to
the grain. Edges should have no saw marks, nicks, or file marks. Count
ersink your drill holes to remove the burr/edge roughness.
Mike C.
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4130Use the "Normalized" 4130. The "annealed" condition steel is soft
and is to be used when heat treating is planned after the steel has been
formed.
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4130
Group,
In purchasing a sheet of 4130 for my fittings it is offered in
"Annealed" or "Normalized" state, which is preferred? Also what size of
sheet do most builders get that can get the number of fitting I need on
it? Thanks.
Brian
Brian Jardine
L-3 Communications
Operations Project Engineer
640 North 2200 West
P.O.Box 16850
Salt Lake City, UT 84116
L
801-594-3482
brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
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The wing attaching straps and the cabane attach hardware is .080". There ma
y be others, but those are on the 3 piece wing print. (Which I have out and
can look at real quick.)
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FYI
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Subject: | Free Waldo Peppers Again! |
Hey Gang-
Last year I sent out several dozen free home made Waldo Pepper DVD's to anyone
who wanted one. Many sent me something in return - not necessary but always welcome.
Once again, if anyone wants one, contact me off list and I'll get one to you.
The "used and new" on Amazon starting at $15 are for VHS tapes, their DVD's are
starting at $49 (at least today, it varies daily). Note they also have soundtrack
recordings, paperback books and related items.
My copies are from my original (old) VHS tape, not the finest remastered digital
quality, but certainly watchable, and free.
I just like to share a good movie.
Tim in Bovey
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Subject: | Re: Airport in trouble |
I don't know a heck of a lot about running power lines, but I can tell you this...
The FM transmitter for the radio station I am the engineer for, is located on the
top of a hill, in northern Minnesota woods. We share the building with another
station, we both have 100,000 watt transmitters that require three phase power.
The co-op only provided single phase power to the building -- the line
ran about a mile from the nearest junction, up the hill, thru the woods. We had
phase generators runing to give us three phases that were old, noisy and expensive.
Finally this past fall the other station (who actually owns the property)
raised the cash to run a three phase line to the building. This new line
had to run about 1.5 miles, thru the woods, up the hill. the kids of hill you
need 4 wheel drive to get up, in good weather and dry conditions. The whole project
cost around $25,000. This is for 1.5 miles of buried cable, labor, cable,
men, clearing a path when necessary, etc.
The co-op was pleased as punch to have the old single phase off line, and to be
providing the power underground, as damage to the old pole mounted lines was
constant. Running thru the trees in the woods left lots of room for damage mostly
from falling tree limbs that broke off in thunderstorms, wind storms, snow
and ice storms. They were always heading up the hill to fix something everytime
there was a big storm. Outages were quite regular. othing makes radio people
more grumpy than to not have poweer at a transmitter site! We have a generator
at the site that keeps our back up transmitter (at greatly reduced power)
on the air when the power went out. Not so much as a glitch since the new line
went in.
So, I believe in many cases a buried line will be a better line than a pole line.
I just don't see that they couldn't be convinced to bury if indeed the line
HAS to go in that location. I would think it would be way better for them than
possible liabilities from any airplane/line incidents.
Just some thoughts. Good luck in the fight!
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Normalized. As for sheet size, it depends on what you are using to cut them
out. Bandsaw throat depths vary. Many can be cut from strip stock of the
appropriate width and thickness. I don't think there is a good way to
minimize wast, because, if you are like me, you'll make at least 3 to get 2
good ones.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4130
Group,
In purchasing a sheet of 4130 for my fittings it is offered in "Annealed" or
"Normalized" state, which is preferred? Also what size of sheet do most
builders get that can get the number of fitting I need on it? Thanks.
Brian
Brian Jardine
L-3 Communications
Operations Project Engineer
640 North 2200 West
P.O.Box 16850
Salt Lake City, UT 84116
L
801-594-3482
brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
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