---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/18/09: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:11 AM - Citation list--- new member (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 2. 06:23 AM - Re: Citation list--- new member (TOM STINEMETZE) 3. 09:59 AM - Re: manuals for free download (amsafetyc@aol.com) 4. 10:17 AM - Oscar has another article in the EAA Experimenter e-letter (Tim Willis) 5. 10:33 AM - 4130 (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 6. 11:01 AM - Re: 4130 (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 7. 12:48 PM - Re: 4130 (gcardinal) 8. 02:37 PM - Re: 4130 (Michael Perez) 9. 03:20 PM - Free Waldo Peppers Again! (Tim Verthein) 10. 03:47 PM - Re: Airport in trouble (Tim Verthein) 11. 05:17 PM - Re: 4130 (Jack Phillips) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:07 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Citation list--- new member Apparently the folks at Corporate Air, LLC at Allegheny Co. Airport near Pi ttsburgh think that I own an 18,700 pound Cessna Citation 560 XL business jet. I received and invoice for a landing I supposedly made in 4 8MC on 2/2/09 with a fee due of $25.20. I explained to the nice lady ove r the phone that 48MC is a small, open cockpit homebuilt that doesn't even have a radio, let alone all of the avionics required to fly into their Class B airspace. She assured me that the line guys 'probably got the tail number wrong' and would expunge me from her invoice files. For a while there I thought I was going to have to join the Citation list...... Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:43 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Citation list--- new member Some folks get all the glory. Imagine having your Air Camper mistaken for a Spam Can (or, in the case of a Citation, probably a caviar can.) Tom Stinemetze do not archive >>> "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" 3/18/2009 8:07 AM >>> Apparently the folks at Corporate Air, LLC at Allegheny Co. Airport near Pittsburgh think that I own an 18,700 pound Cessna Citation 560 XL business jet. I received and invoice for a landing I supposedly made in 48MC on 2/2/09 with a fee due of $25.20. I explained to the nice lady over the phone that 48MC is a small, open cockpit homebuilt that doesn't even have a radio, let alone all of the avionics required to fly into their Class B airspace. She assured me that the line guys 'probably got the tail number wrong' and would expunge me from her invoice files. For a while there I thought I was going to have to join the Citation list...... 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Pietenpol-List: Oscar has another article in the EAA Experimenter e-letter Oscar has done it again. His latest article is on an 85-year old design, a "Longster," and adapting it to modern engines and construction. Good for you, Oscar... again. It's great to see your many contributions. Tim in central TX do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:45 AM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4130 Group, In purchasing a sheet of 4130 for my fittings it is offered in "Annealed" or "Normalized" state, which is preferred? Also what size of sheet do most builders get that can get the number of fitting I need on it? Thanks. Brian Brian Jardine L-3 Communications Operations Project Engineer 640 North 2200 West P.O.Box 16850 Salt Lake City, UT 84116 L 801-594-3482 brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:34 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 4130 Brian, All of the 4130 I used was normalized, 4130 N. You'll have to figure ho w many fittings you can get out of what sized sheet but the two main thicknesses used in the airplane are .060 and .090. If you have a m etal fab shop in your area they might have a shear where they can cut you strips of what widths you need as most fittings are like widths for various 'areas' on the plane. You can order 4130 in widths from ACS I believe. I copied my plans where it showed full size fittings or drew them out on paper then Uhu-glue sticked them right on to my 4130 and drilled and cut/ground to the lines/circles. Don't forget to observe the 4130 grain direction, bending rules, and edge f inishing tips that Tony Bingelis has in his books such as the grain of the steel runs with the white lettering on the sheet, your fitting s should run that way length-wise too. Bends are perpendicular to the grain. Edges should have no saw marks, nicks, or file marks. Count ersink your drill holes to remove the burr/edge roughness. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:25 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 4130 4130Use the "Normalized" 4130. The "annealed" condition steel is soft and is to be used when heat treating is planned after the steel has been formed. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4130 Group, In purchasing a sheet of 4130 for my fittings it is offered in "Annealed" or "Normalized" state, which is preferred? Also what size of sheet do most builders get that can get the number of fitting I need on it? Thanks. Brian Brian Jardine L-3 Communications Operations Project Engineer 640 North 2200 West P.O.Box 16850 Salt Lake City, UT 84116 L 801-594-3482 brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:59 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 4130 The wing attaching straps and the cabane attach hardware is .080". There ma y be others, but those are on the 3 piece wing print. (Which I have out and can look at real quick.) - FYI ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:20:29 PM PST US From: Tim Verthein Subject: Pietenpol-List: Free Waldo Peppers Again! Hey Gang- Last year I sent out several dozen free home made Waldo Pepper DVD's to anyone who wanted one. Many sent me something in return - not necessary but always welcome. Once again, if anyone wants one, contact me off list and I'll get one to you. The "used and new" on Amazon starting at $15 are for VHS tapes, their DVD's are starting at $49 (at least today, it varies daily). Note they also have soundtrack recordings, paperback books and related items. My copies are from my original (old) VHS tape, not the finest remastered digital quality, but certainly watchable, and free. I just like to share a good movie. Tim in Bovey ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:58 PM PST US From: Tim Verthein Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airport in trouble I don't know a heck of a lot about running power lines, but I can tell you this... The FM transmitter for the radio station I am the engineer for, is located on the top of a hill, in northern Minnesota woods. We share the building with another station, we both have 100,000 watt transmitters that require three phase power. The co-op only provided single phase power to the building -- the line ran about a mile from the nearest junction, up the hill, thru the woods. We had phase generators runing to give us three phases that were old, noisy and expensive. Finally this past fall the other station (who actually owns the property) raised the cash to run a three phase line to the building. This new line had to run about 1.5 miles, thru the woods, up the hill. the kids of hill you need 4 wheel drive to get up, in good weather and dry conditions. The whole project cost around $25,000. This is for 1.5 miles of buried cable, labor, cable, men, clearing a path when necessary, etc. The co-op was pleased as punch to have the old single phase off line, and to be providing the power underground, as damage to the old pole mounted lines was constant. Running thru the trees in the woods left lots of room for damage mostly from falling tree limbs that broke off in thunderstorms, wind storms, snow and ice storms. They were always heading up the hill to fix something everytime there was a big storm. Outages were quite regular. othing makes radio people more grumpy than to not have poweer at a transmitter site! We have a generator at the site that keeps our back up transmitter (at greatly reduced power) on the air when the power went out. Not so much as a glitch since the new line went in. So, I believe in many cases a buried line will be a better line than a pole line. I just don't see that they couldn't be convinced to bury if indeed the line HAS to go in that location. I would think it would be way better for them than possible liabilities from any airplane/line incidents. Just some thoughts. Good luck in the fight! ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:38 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 4130 Normalized. As for sheet size, it depends on what you are using to cut them out. Bandsaw throat depths vary. Many can be cut from strip stock of the appropriate width and thickness. I don't think there is a good way to minimize wast, because, if you are like me, you'll make at least 3 to get 2 good ones. Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4130 Group, In purchasing a sheet of 4130 for my fittings it is offered in "Annealed" or "Normalized" state, which is preferred? Also what size of sheet do most builders get that can get the number of fitting I need on it? Thanks. Brian Brian Jardine L-3 Communications Operations Project Engineer 640 North 2200 West P.O.Box 16850 Salt Lake City, UT 84116 L 801-594-3482 brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.