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1. 05:05 AM - Re: Re: Wash-In, Wash-Out (Ameet Savant)
2. 06:04 AM - how do I view photos (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 06:04 AM - Santiago's pics (Lawrence Williams)
4. 08:21 AM - Re: how do I view photos (Matt Dralle)
5. 09:19 AM - Re: how do I view photos (H RULE)
6. 09:57 AM - please ignore this email test as I experiment - explorer (airlion@bellsouth.net)
7. 11:49 AM - Re: electrical system (Jack Phillips)
8. 03:03 PM - email test from airlion - please ignore (airlion@bellsouth.net)
9. 03:17 PM - 2nd email test from airlion -please ignore (airlion@bellsouth.net)
10. 04:32 PM - can ya'll read this email (airlion@bellsouth.net)
11. 04:38 PM - trying again! can you read this? (airlion@bellsouth.net)
12. 04:50 PM - Re: trying again! can you read this? (Andrew M Eldredge)
13. 04:54 PM - Re: trying again! can you read this? (Gary Boothe)
14. 05:12 PM - email test again - Gary Booth - can you read this (airlion@bellsouth.net)
15. 05:12 PM - Re: how do I view photos (Andrew M Eldredge)
16. 05:20 PM - Re: email test again - Gary Booth - can you read this (Gary Boothe)
17. 05:44 PM - Re: email test from airlion - please ignore (Kip and Beth Gardner)
18. 05:54 PM - Re: how do I view photos (H RULE)
19. 07:17 PM - Re: can ya'll read this email (amsafetyc@aol.com)
20. 07:17 PM - Re: trying again! can you read this? (amsafetyc@aol.com)
21. 08:17 PM - Re: trying again! can you read this? (pietn38b@aol.com)
22. 08:18 PM - Re: email test again - Gary Booth - can you read this (pietn38b@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Wash-In, Wash-Out |
Bill,
I thought you were suggesting that a wash-out would help the Piet to gain some
performance. Typically, wash-out is used to prevent the tips from stalling before
the root of the wing does. Tapered wing spans need a wash-out to "adjust"
this stalling pattern.
Also, the elliptical lift pattern is often quoted as ideal. All aerodynamic texts
suggest that therefore, an elliptical wing planform must be ideal. However,
there is a group of people who don't believe an elliptical planform is necessarily
ideal.
That article from Peter Garrison goes into some of these outside the mainstream
belief concepts and tries to de-construct them. It may not directly have a counter-point
to what you were suggesting (or what I understood you were suggesting),
but I thought it was relevant to your efforts as a devil's advocate.
I hope I haven't mis-understood anything :)
Looking forward to some of your numbers.
Regards.
Ameet
--- On Sun, 3/22/09, Mild Bill <whfrank@charter.net> wrote:
> From: Mild Bill <whfrank@charter.net>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wash-In, Wash-Out
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 1:38 AM
> Bill" <whfrank@charter.net>
>
>
> ameetsavant(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> > Please read a counter point here
> http://www.flyingmag.com/article.asp?section_id=12&article_id=170
> >
> > Ameet
>
> You've got me scratching my head here - counterpoint to
> what? No one in this thread was advocating tapered wings for
> Pietenpols.
>
> --------
> Bill Frank
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235593#235593
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| Subject: | how do I view photos |
Hey everybody,
When people post photos, I don't get a link of anything like that. When I
go to "matronics photo share", the most current photo is Steve Eldridge's
patch photos from months ago. I''d love to keep up with everybody's
progress, and maybe even post some of my own, so I thought I'd better ask.
Douwe
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Will somebody explain to me how to view Santiago's pictures? I use the dige
st option for the list which I understand won't allow me to view pics in th
e text.......sometimes. But there must be a way to view pics some way.
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I'm still having a problem with some of AMASAFETY's posts which come throug
h as @&B>;??[(V%84-+ well, something like that and it goes on forever.
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Help will be appreciated and will get you a free habdshake at Brodhead if y
ou can solve this virtual problem for me.
-
Helpless in AR-
Larry- xcg, xcmr, epp=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: how do I view photos |
At 06:01 AM 3/22/2009 Sunday, you wrote:
>
>Hey everybody,
>
>When people post photos, I don't get a link of anything like that. When I
>go to "matronics photo share", the most current photo is Steve Eldridge's
>patch photos from months ago. I''d love to keep up with everybody's
>progress, and maybe even post some of my own, so I thought I'd better ask.
>
>Douwe
The photos should be attached to the email. You can also view them via the Forum
at:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=7
Matt
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| Subject: | Re: how do I view photos |
It depends on the size of the photo or jpg.If it is too large it will kick
you out and not accept.VGA is usually your best bet for size and you can se
nd quite a few photo's that way.The only thing wrong with VGA is when you g
o to print them or use them in a magazine they are too small and the pictur
e is too small.I have a great picture of myself and my GN-1 aircraft in fli
ght on a fly past but it is much to large to send and I'm not that knowlega
ble about how to shrink it down for sending.I know there is a way to do it.
I was told once but I had no paper or pen to write the procedure down.Maybe
someone on the web might know how to do this.The other thing that I was wo
rried about is will the original sized picture be lost if I do this?=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Matt Dralle <dralle@matro
nics.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, March 22, 2009
11:17:10 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: how do I view photos=0A=0A--> P
ietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>=0A=0AAt
06:01 AM 3/22/2009- Sunday, you wrote:=0A>--> Pietenpol-List message pos
ted by: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>=0A>=0A>Hey everybody
,=0A>=0A>When people post photos, I don't get a link of anything like that.
- When I=0A>go to "matronics photo share", the most current photo is Stev
e Eldridge's=0A>patch photos from months ago.- I''d love to keep up with
everybody's=0A>progress, and maybe even post some of my own, so I thought I
'd better ask.=0A>=0A>Douwe=0A=0AThe photos should be attached to the email
.- You can also view them via the Forum at:=0A=0A- - - - http://f
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| Subject: | please ignore this email test as I experiment - explorer |
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| Subject: | electrical system |
Gene, you are right that the transponder drains the battery pretty quickly.
I've got an 18 Amp-Hour battery and it will run the comm radio and GPS for
several days, or the transponder for a few hours. I typically only turn the
transponder on when going into Class C or Class B airspace, and turn it off
as soon as I'm clear of them. Yes, you can enter such airspace without it,
but it take so much telephone coordination and casuses so much confusion I'd
rather just use the transponder. Besides, it's fun to call up approach
control and just call yourself an experimental, then throttle it back to
about 45 mph indicated and ask them for a groundspeed check.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: electrical system
well, Jack could have flown into Dulles without a transponder, I have done
it several times no radio and no transponder, it just has to be coordinated.
I am a little surprised that Jack has a transponder on a battery only -- how
long do you get out of it?? I have never tried, but always thought a
transponder drained a battery pretty quickly, too quickly to be useful, but
apparently not.
Like everyone has said, if it was certified with an engine-driven electrical
system, or if it was ever modified to have an engine-driven electrical
system (you can't remove it), you have to have a transponder. Other than
that, you are free. I have been fussed at by towers in class C airspace for
having a radio and no transponder, but I proved them wrong every time (I
kept the regulation cite handy and quoted it to them)
Gene
building wing like crazy
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga <mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: electrical system
Jack wrote-
>Without it, I would not have been able to fly it into
>Dulles International Airport lastJune to put it on display
>at the Smithsonian's Udvar-Hazy Museum.
Jack, I have very little doubt that you would still have been
able to fly your airplane INTO Dulles without the xpdr. It
may, however, have been a bit sticky explaining your presence
sufficiently to allow you to get OUT if you showed up
"negative xpdr" ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| Subject: | email test from airlion - please ignore |
email test from airlion = please ignore 6:02 PM
plain text (not rich text)
sent from ATT email webmail - explorer not mozilla
email ID = airlion@bellsouth.net
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| Subject: | 2nd email test from airlion -please ignore |
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| Subject: | can ya'll read this email |
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| Subject: | trying again! can you read this? |
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| Subject: | Re: trying again! can you read this? |
yes.
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 4:37 PM, <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
--
Andrew M. Eldredge
Sahuarita, AZ
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| Subject: | trying again! can you read this? |
You're still using invisible ink.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear
(13 ribs down.)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
airlion@bellsouth.net
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 4:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: trying again! can you read this?
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| Subject: | email test again - Gary Booth - can you read this |
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| Subject: | Re: how do I view photos |
here is the least common denominator for shrinking a photo in windows down
to approximately 800x600 pixels (a reasonable emailing size in my opinion):
Assumptions: this is a landscape format photo
0. Make a copy of the picture, giving it a descriptive name, like
"mypiet-small.jpg"
1. Open the copy in mspaint.
This can usually be done with a right click->edit
2. In the Image menu, choose attributes.
4. Divide 800 by the number in the width box, multiply by 100 for a
percentage. Close attributes dialog.
5. Back to the image menu, choose stretch/skew.
6. Enter the percentage from step 4 in both horizontal and vertical boxes.
7. Save the copy and email it to your pals on the pietenpol-list.
Andrew Eldredge
Sahuarita AZ
NX7229R coming back together
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
> It depends on the size of the photo or jpg.If it is too large it will kick
> you out and not accept.VGA is usually your best bet for size and you can
> send quite a few photo's that way.The only thing wrong with VGA is when you
> go to print them or use them in a magazine they are too small and the
> picture is too small.I have a great picture of myself and my GN-1 aircraft
> in flight on a fly past but it is much to large to send and I'm not that
> knowlegable about how to shrink it down for sending.I know there is a way to
> do it.I was told once but I had no paper or pen to write the procedure
> down.Maybe someone on the web might know how to do this.The other thing that
> I was worried about is will the original sized picture be lost if I do this?
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:17:10 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: how do I view photos
>
>
> At 06:01 AM 3/22/2009 Sunday, you wrote:
> douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
> >
> >Hey everybody,
> >
> >When people post photos, I don't get a link of anything like that. When I
> >go to "matronics photo share", the most current photo is Steve Eldridge's
> >patch photos from months ago. I''d love to keep up with everybody's
> >progress, and maybe even post some of my own, so I thought I'd better ask.
> >
> >Douwe
>
> The photos should be attached to the email. You can also view them via the
> Forum at:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/vics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
> target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List<http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=7>
> _f="http://forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank>
> http://forums.matronics.nbsp; onics.com/contribution"
> ======
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Andrew M. Eldredge
Sahuarita, AZ
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| Subject: | email test again - Gary Booth - can you read this |
No sir.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
airlion@bellsouth.net
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: email test again - Gary Booth - can you read this
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| Subject: | Re: email test from airlion - please ignore |
Of all the messages you sent, this is the only one that was readable,
so whatever you were doing on this message, keep doing it.
Kip Gardner
On Mar 22, 2009, at 6:02 PM, airlion@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
> email test from airlion = please ignore 6:02 PM
> plain text (not rich text)
> sent from ATT email webmail - explorer not mozilla
> email ID = airlion@bellsouth.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: how do I view photos |
If all went well and I think it did you will see the pic on the reply of th
is message.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Andrew M
Eldredge <andrew.eldredge@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:11:17 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: how
do I view photos=0A=0Ahere is the least common denominator for shrinking a
photo in windows down to approximately 800x600 pixels (a reasonable emailin
g size in my opinion): =0A=0AAssumptions: this is a landscape format photo
=0A=0A0. Make a copy of the picture, giving it a descriptive name, like "my
piet-small.jpg"=0A=0A1. Open the copy in mspaint.=0A-- This can usually
be done with a right click->edit=0A=0A2. In the Image menu, choose attribu
tes.=0A=0A4. Divide 800 by the number in the width box, multiply by 100 for
a percentage.- Close attributes dialog.=0A=0A5. Back to the image menu,
choose stretch/skew.=0A=0A6. Enter the percentage from step 4 in both horiz
ontal and vertical boxes.=0A=0A7. Save the copy and email it to your pals o
n the pietenpol-list.=0A=0AAndrew Eldredge=0ASahuarita AZ=0ANX7229R coming
back together=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM, H RULE <harvey.ru
le@rogers.com> wrote:=0A=0AIt depends on the size of the photo or jpg.If it
is too large it will kick you out and not accept.VGA is usually your best
bet for size and you can send quite a few photo's that way.The only thing w
rong with VGA is when you go to print them or use them in a magazine they a
re too small and the picture is too small.I have a great picture of myself
and my GN-1 aircraft in flight on a fly past but it is much to large to sen
d and I'm not that knowlegable about how to shrink it down for sending.I kn
ow there is a way to do it.I was told once but I had no paper or pen to wri
te the procedure down.Maybe someone on the web might know how to do this.Th
e other thing that I was worried about is will the original sized picture b
e lost if I do this?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:
Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASe
nt: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:17:10 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: how d
dralle@matronics.com>=0A=0AAt 06:01 AM 3/22/2009- Sunday, you wrote:=0A>-
ink.net>=0A>=0A>Hey everybody,=0A>=0A>When people post photos, I don't get
a link of anything like that.- When I=0A>go to "matronics photo share", t
he most current photo is Steve Eldridge's=0A>patch photos from months ago.
- I''d love to keep up with everybody's=0A>progress, and maybe even post
some of my own, so I thought I'd better ask.=0A>=0A>Douwe=0A=0AThe photos s
hould be attached to the email.- You can also view them via the Forum at:
=0A=0A- - - - http://forums.matronics.com/vics.com/Navigator?Pieten
pol-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
=0A_f="http://forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank>http://forums.matron
ics.nbsp; - - - - - - - - - -onics.com/contribution"
========0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A" target="_blank">http://www.ma
tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Atp://forums.matronics.com=0A_blank">
http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0A=0AAndrew M. Eldr
==
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| Subject: | Re: can ya'll read this email |
I got nothing
------Original Message------
From: airlion@bellsouth.net
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Mar 22, 2009 7:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: can ya'll read this email
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Re: trying again! can you read this? |
Nope
------Original Message------
From: Andrew M Eldredge
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Mar 22, 2009 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: trying again! can you read this?
yes.
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 4:37 PM, <airlion@bellsouth.net <mailto:airlion@bellsouth.net> > wrote:
--
Andrew M. Eldredge
Sahuarita, AZ
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Re: trying again! can you read this? |
no
In a message dated 3/22/2009 6:39:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
airlion@bellsouth.net writes:
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| Subject: | Re: email test again - Gary Booth - can you read this |
still invisable ink.
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