---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/22/09: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:05 AM - Re: Re: Wash-In, Wash-Out (Ameet Savant) 2. 06:04 AM - how do I view photos (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 06:04 AM - Santiago's pics (Lawrence Williams) 4. 08:21 AM - Re: how do I view photos (Matt Dralle) 5. 09:19 AM - Re: how do I view photos (H RULE) 6. 09:57 AM - please ignore this email test as I experiment - explorer (airlion@bellsouth.net) 7. 11:49 AM - Re: electrical system (Jack Phillips) 8. 03:03 PM - email test from airlion - please ignore (airlion@bellsouth.net) 9. 03:17 PM - 2nd email test from airlion -please ignore (airlion@bellsouth.net) 10. 04:32 PM - can ya'll read this email (airlion@bellsouth.net) 11. 04:38 PM - trying again! can you read this? (airlion@bellsouth.net) 12. 04:50 PM - Re: trying again! can you read this? (Andrew M Eldredge) 13. 04:54 PM - Re: trying again! can you read this? (Gary Boothe) 14. 05:12 PM - email test again - Gary Booth - can you read this (airlion@bellsouth.net) 15. 05:12 PM - Re: how do I view photos (Andrew M Eldredge) 16. 05:20 PM - Re: email test again - Gary Booth - can you read this (Gary Boothe) 17. 05:44 PM - Re: email test from airlion - please ignore (Kip and Beth Gardner) 18. 05:54 PM - Re: how do I view photos (H RULE) 19. 07:17 PM - Re: can ya'll read this email (amsafetyc@aol.com) 20. 07:17 PM - Re: trying again! can you read this? (amsafetyc@aol.com) 21. 08:17 PM - Re: trying again! can you read this? (pietn38b@aol.com) 22. 08:18 PM - Re: email test again - Gary Booth - can you read this (pietn38b@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:22 AM PST US From: Ameet Savant Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wash-In, Wash-Out Bill, I thought you were suggesting that a wash-out would help the Piet to gain some performance. Typically, wash-out is used to prevent the tips from stalling before the root of the wing does. Tapered wing spans need a wash-out to "adjust" this stalling pattern. Also, the elliptical lift pattern is often quoted as ideal. All aerodynamic texts suggest that therefore, an elliptical wing planform must be ideal. However, there is a group of people who don't believe an elliptical planform is necessarily ideal. That article from Peter Garrison goes into some of these outside the mainstream belief concepts and tries to de-construct them. It may not directly have a counter-point to what you were suggesting (or what I understood you were suggesting), but I thought it was relevant to your efforts as a devil's advocate. I hope I haven't mis-understood anything :) Looking forward to some of your numbers. Regards. Ameet --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Mild Bill wrote: > From: Mild Bill > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wash-In, Wash-Out > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 1:38 AM > Bill" > > > ameetsavant(at)yahoo.com wrote: > > Please read a counter point here > http://www.flyingmag.com/article.asp?section_id=12&article_id=170 > > > > Ameet > > You've got me scratching my head here - counterpoint to > what? No one in this thread was advocating tapered wings for > Pietenpols. > > -------- > Bill Frank > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235593#235593 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:10 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: how do I view photos Hey everybody, When people post photos, I don't get a link of anything like that. When I go to "matronics photo share", the most current photo is Steve Eldridge's patch photos from months ago. I''d love to keep up with everybody's progress, and maybe even post some of my own, so I thought I'd better ask. Douwe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:10 AM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: Santiago's pics Will somebody explain to me how to view Santiago's pictures? I use the dige st option for the list which I understand won't allow me to view pics in th e text.......sometimes. But there must be a way to view pics some way. - I'm still having a problem with some of AMASAFETY's posts which come throug h as @&B>;??[(V%84-+ well, something like that and it goes on forever. - Help will be appreciated and will get you a free habdshake at Brodhead if y ou can solve this virtual problem for me. - Helpless in AR- Larry- xcg, xcmr, epp=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:37 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: how do I view photos At 06:01 AM 3/22/2009 Sunday, you wrote: > >Hey everybody, > >When people post photos, I don't get a link of anything like that. When I >go to "matronics photo share", the most current photo is Steve Eldridge's >patch photos from months ago. I''d love to keep up with everybody's >progress, and maybe even post some of my own, so I thought I'd better ask. > >Douwe The photos should be attached to the email. You can also view them via the Forum at: http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=7 Matt ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:08 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: how do I view photos It depends on the size of the photo or jpg.If it is too large it will kick you out and not accept.VGA is usually your best bet for size and you can se nd quite a few photo's that way.The only thing wrong with VGA is when you g o to print them or use them in a magazine they are too small and the pictur e is too small.I have a great picture of myself and my GN-1 aircraft in fli ght on a fly past but it is much to large to send and I'm not that knowlega ble about how to shrink it down for sending.I know there is a way to do it. I was told once but I had no paper or pen to write the procedure down.Maybe someone on the web might know how to do this.The other thing that I was wo rried about is will the original sized picture be lost if I do this?=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Matt Dralle =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:17:10 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: how do I view photos=0A=0A--> P ietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle =0A=0AAt 06:01 AM 3/22/2009- Sunday, you wrote:=0A>--> Pietenpol-List message pos ted by: "Douwe Blumberg" =0A>=0A>Hey everybody ,=0A>=0A>When people post photos, I don't get a link of anything like that. - When I=0A>go to "matronics photo share", the most current photo is Stev e Eldridge's=0A>patch photos from months ago.- I''d love to keep up with everybody's=0A>progress, and maybe even post some of my own, so I thought I 'd better ask.=0A>=0A>Douwe=0A=0AThe photos should be attached to the email .- You can also view them via the Forum at:=0A=0A- - - - http://f -======================== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:54 AM PST US From: airlion@bellsouth.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: please ignore this email test as I experiment - explorer ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:11 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: electrical system Gene, you are right that the transponder drains the battery pretty quickly. I've got an 18 Amp-Hour battery and it will run the comm radio and GPS for several days, or the transponder for a few hours. I typically only turn the transponder on when going into Class C or Class B airspace, and turn it off as soon as I'm clear of them. Yes, you can enter such airspace without it, but it take so much telephone coordination and casuses so much confusion I'd rather just use the transponder. Besides, it's fun to call up approach control and just call yourself an experimental, then throttle it back to about 45 mph indicated and ask them for a groundspeed check. Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: electrical system well, Jack could have flown into Dulles without a transponder, I have done it several times no radio and no transponder, it just has to be coordinated. I am a little surprised that Jack has a transponder on a battery only -- how long do you get out of it?? I have never tried, but always thought a transponder drained a battery pretty quickly, too quickly to be useful, but apparently not. Like everyone has said, if it was certified with an engine-driven electrical system, or if it was ever modified to have an engine-driven electrical system (you can't remove it), you have to have a transponder. Other than that, you are free. I have been fussed at by towers in class C airspace for having a radio and no transponder, but I proved them wrong every time (I kept the regulation cite handy and quoted it to them) Gene building wing like crazy ----- Original Message ----- From: Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: electrical system Jack wrote- >Without it, I would not have been able to fly it into >Dulles International Airport lastJune to put it on display >at the Smithsonian's Udvar-Hazy Museum. Jack, I have very little doubt that you would still have been able to fly your airplane INTO Dulles without the xpdr. It may, however, have been a bit sticky explaining your presence sufficiently to allow you to get OUT if you showed up "negative xpdr" ;o) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:03:25 PM PST US From: airlion@bellsouth.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: email test from airlion - please ignore email test from airlion = please ignore 6:02 PM plain text (not rich text) sent from ATT email webmail - explorer not mozilla email ID = airlion@bellsouth.net ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:06 PM PST US From: airlion@bellsouth.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: 2nd email test from airlion -please ignore ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:54 PM PST US From: airlion@bellsouth.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: can ya'll read this email ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:20 PM PST US From: airlion@bellsouth.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: trying again! can you read this? ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: trying again! can you read this? From: Andrew M Eldredge yes. On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 4:37 PM, wrote: > > -- Andrew M. Eldredge Sahuarita, AZ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:44 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: trying again! can you read this? You're still using invisible ink. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear (13 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion@bellsouth.net Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 4:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: trying again! can you read this? ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:00 PM PST US From: airlion@bellsouth.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: email test again - Gary Booth - can you read this ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: how do I view photos From: Andrew M Eldredge here is the least common denominator for shrinking a photo in windows down to approximately 800x600 pixels (a reasonable emailing size in my opinion): Assumptions: this is a landscape format photo 0. Make a copy of the picture, giving it a descriptive name, like "mypiet-small.jpg" 1. Open the copy in mspaint. This can usually be done with a right click->edit 2. In the Image menu, choose attributes. 4. Divide 800 by the number in the width box, multiply by 100 for a percentage. Close attributes dialog. 5. Back to the image menu, choose stretch/skew. 6. Enter the percentage from step 4 in both horizontal and vertical boxes. 7. Save the copy and email it to your pals on the pietenpol-list. Andrew Eldredge Sahuarita AZ NX7229R coming back together On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM, H RULE wrote: > It depends on the size of the photo or jpg.If it is too large it will kick > you out and not accept.VGA is usually your best bet for size and you can > send quite a few photo's that way.The only thing wrong with VGA is when you > go to print them or use them in a magazine they are too small and the > picture is too small.I have a great picture of myself and my GN-1 aircraft > in flight on a fly past but it is much to large to send and I'm not that > knowlegable about how to shrink it down for sending.I know there is a way to > do it.I was told once but I had no paper or pen to write the procedure > down.Maybe someone on the web might know how to do this.The other thing that > I was worried about is will the original sized picture be lost if I do this? > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Matt Dralle > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:17:10 AM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: how do I view photos > > > At 06:01 AM 3/22/2009 Sunday, you wrote: > douweblumberg@earthlink.net> > > > >Hey everybody, > > > >When people post photos, I don't get a link of anything like that. When I > >go to "matronics photo share", the most current photo is Steve Eldridge's > >patch photos from months ago. I''d love to keep up with everybody's > >progress, and maybe even post some of my own, so I thought I'd better ask. > > > >Douwe > > The photos should be attached to the email. You can also view them via the > Forum at: > > http://forums.matronics.com/vics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" > target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > _f="http://forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank> > http://forums.matronics.nbsp; onics.com/contribution" > ====== > > > * > > * > > -- Andrew M. Eldredge Sahuarita, AZ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:38 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: email test again - Gary Booth - can you read this No sir. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage ready for gear (13 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion@bellsouth.net Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: email test again - Gary Booth - can you read this ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:48 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: email test from airlion - please ignore Of all the messages you sent, this is the only one that was readable, so whatever you were doing on this message, keep doing it. Kip Gardner On Mar 22, 2009, at 6:02 PM, airlion@bellsouth.net wrote: > > email test from airlion = please ignore 6:02 PM > plain text (not rich text) > sent from ATT email webmail - explorer not mozilla > email ID = airlion@bellsouth.net > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:24 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: how do I view photos If all went well and I think it did you will see the pic on the reply of th is message.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Andrew M Eldredge =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:11:17 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: how do I view photos=0A=0Ahere is the least common denominator for shrinking a photo in windows down to approximately 800x600 pixels (a reasonable emailin g size in my opinion): =0A=0AAssumptions: this is a landscape format photo =0A=0A0. Make a copy of the picture, giving it a descriptive name, like "my piet-small.jpg"=0A=0A1. Open the copy in mspaint.=0A-- This can usually be done with a right click->edit=0A=0A2. In the Image menu, choose attribu tes.=0A=0A4. Divide 800 by the number in the width box, multiply by 100 for a percentage.- Close attributes dialog.=0A=0A5. Back to the image menu, choose stretch/skew.=0A=0A6. Enter the percentage from step 4 in both horiz ontal and vertical boxes.=0A=0A7. Save the copy and email it to your pals o n the pietenpol-list.=0A=0AAndrew Eldredge=0ASahuarita AZ=0ANX7229R coming back together=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM, H RULE wrote:=0A=0AIt depends on the size of the photo or jpg.If it is too large it will kick you out and not accept.VGA is usually your best bet for size and you can send quite a few photo's that way.The only thing w rong with VGA is when you go to print them or use them in a magazine they a re too small and the picture is too small.I have a great picture of myself and my GN-1 aircraft in flight on a fly past but it is much to large to sen d and I'm not that knowlegable about how to shrink it down for sending.I kn ow there is a way to do it.I was told once but I had no paper or pen to wri te the procedure down.Maybe someone on the web might know how to do this.Th e other thing that I was worried about is will the original sized picture b e lost if I do this?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Matt Dralle =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASe nt: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:17:10 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: how d dralle@matronics.com>=0A=0AAt 06:01 AM 3/22/2009- Sunday, you wrote:=0A>- ink.net>=0A>=0A>Hey everybody,=0A>=0A>When people post photos, I don't get a link of anything like that.- When I=0A>go to "matronics photo share", t he most current photo is Steve Eldridge's=0A>patch photos from months ago. - I''d love to keep up with everybody's=0A>progress, and maybe even post some of my own, so I thought I'd better ask.=0A>=0A>Douwe=0A=0AThe photos s hould be attached to the email.- You can also view them via the Forum at: =0A=0A- - - - http://forums.matronics.com/vics.com/Navigator?Pieten pol-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =0A_f="http://forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank>http://forums.matron ics.nbsp; - - - - - - - - - -onics.com/contribution" ========0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A" target="_blank">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Atp://forums.matronics.com=0A_blank"> http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0A=0AAndrew M. Eldr == ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can ya'll read this email From: amsafetyc@aol.com I got nothing ------Original Message------ From: airlion@bellsouth.net Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Mar 22, 2009 7:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: can ya'll read this email Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: trying again! can you read this? From: amsafetyc@aol.com Nope ------Original Message------ From: Andrew M Eldredge Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Mar 22, 2009 7:49 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: trying again! can you read this? yes. On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 4:37 PM, > wrote: -- Andrew M. Eldredge Sahuarita, AZ Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:12 PM PST US From: pietn38b@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: trying again! can you read this? no In a message dated 3/22/2009 6:39:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, airlion@bellsouth.net writes: **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:20 PM PST US From: pietn38b@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: email test again - Gary Booth - can you read this still invisable ink. In a message dated 3/22/2009 7:12:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, airlion@bellsouth.net writes: **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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